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I'm not buying Thomas Jones listed as the starter on the depth chart and the time share talk. It just reminds me of the head games that Belichick and Mangini do.

 
I hate Haley. He's killing me. I want to start Charles but Haley scares me and I have the option of playing Foster who is waving to me saying I am your GL back.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines...L&hl=181403
The "feel" better include Charles on nearly every play because he's simply a much better RB (at this point in Jones' career). I get the "feeling" Charles will have a big year, but expecting him to equal what he did towards the end of last season may be asking a bit too much. I like him a lot, though. He should've got his chance much sooner. There's some stubborn coaches in the NFL.

 
I hate Haley. He's killing me. I want to start Charles but Haley scares me and I have the option of playing Foster who is waving to me saying I am your GL back.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines...L&hl=181403
The "feel" better include Charles on nearly every play because he's simply a much better RB (at this point in Jones' career). I get the "feeling" Charles will have a big year, but expecting him to equal what he did towards the end of last season may be asking a bit too much. I like him a lot, though. He should've got his chance much sooner. There's some stubborn coaches in the NFL.
I Agree with you. I just don't feel good about Haley's comments so it's hard to trust him. If Jones is semi-productive at all Haley will have him in all game leaching touches from Charles.

 
but expecting him to equal what he did towards the end of last season may be asking a bit too much
this is expectation fail. charles will likely earn his adp. at least i hope so since i have him in a number of leagues. but at no point did i expect him to put up what he did last yr. 220 and 50 would be enough imo.haleys comments this offseason actually made me optimistic. he has maintained they will ride the hot hand and they will be a run oriented offense. if you truly believe in charles' ability, then you should be confident he will be the "hot hand."
 
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I drafted JC as my #3 RB so i got great value out of him in the 4th round but I think he'll be a top 10 RB this year. KC is in a really weak division with very soft defenses and TJ hasn't looked remotely good in preseason nor has he impressed in camp. Quite honestly KC might surprise this year under weis. and i fully expect *westbrook 2 years ago* type numbers. 900ish rushing 500ish receiving 8-9TDs. Quite honestly I dont know why a team in a rebuilding phase would put their eggs in an old basket as opposed to a young basket with alot of potential.....sounds like alot of coach speak to me.

 
The Chiefs will sink or swim with Jamaal

After you read the article there is a bunch of people whom are blogging. And one of the bloggers post's caught my attention as he stated this:

"I just got a chance to watch Haley talk to the media on kcchief.com.......this guy talking about Jamaal Charles makes me sick....if you could buy Haley for what he is worth,and sell him for what he thinks he is worth,I could retire.....he is sooooo into his self,and why?...I have no idea...He gives J.C. no credit at all,and it looks like he will start Jones a head of him monday nite....Jamaal deserves the start based on what he did last year,,,,not T.J..Jamaal has been on the team for 3 yrs,Jones not even a year.,plus,no one thinks T.J. has outplayed him,but Haley says"I dont want to hear the word starting#1 or #2 in my vocabulary"..give me a break!!...He just cant for whatever reason get his self to say anything positive about Charles.,but he will kiss Jones's behind in heartbeat!!...I have said it before and I will say it again,his record this year depends on how J.C. does...period...lot of people say well...."at least we can run"...but if Cassel dont have time to throw,or cant hit a receiver....it will be hard to run....in closing,Haley,you are so full of horse hockey,you make me puke...hopefully the team will over come your B.S...GO CHIEFS!!!"

My question is, Haley really can't be this stupid can he? Why does it seem like Haley does not like Charles for some reason? It makes absolutely no sense to me why Charles wouldn't start and get 70% of the reps! I also have Harrison on my team and I'm actually thinking of starting him over Charles because I just don't trust Haley at all! Larry Johnson was running for about 1.5 yards per carry last year and he still wouldn't play Charles until Larry put his foot in his mouth and was shipped out of town! I'm not sure what gives with Haley, but he's a fool!

 
I'm not buying Thomas Jones listed as the starter on the depth chart and the time share talk. It just reminds me of the head games that Belichick and Mangini do.
That's not good news for Charles then. I'm a Pats fan and I have no idea who is gonna get the most carries on any given week in NE and Mangini kept trotting out Fat Jamal Lewis last year until he got hurt even though Harrison was the better back.
 
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I think Jones will get enough carries to make Charles owners unhappy, but not enough to make Jones owners happy. Haley will be happy that he messed with all of us though.

 
I think there is a lot of overreaction to Haley's words when, in fact, the only thing he's actually done is list an accomplished vet ahead of a young stud on the depth chart. Hopefully, Charles owners remember that all this Haley-speak confusion led to him falling way down FF draft boards.

If Haley actually does something stupid, like run TJ a disproportionate amount if his YPC is low vs. Charles, then there is major concern. Until that actually happens, I have faith that Charles' talent will win out very quickly and then be thankful I got a potential RB1 at an RB3 price.

 
For the most part I agree with the post above. I have Charles in at my flex and am confident that the cream will rise to the top so to speak. And really that is kind of what Haley words ultimately point to.

 
This is the same old thing he's been saying all off-season. Jones is the starter, but he will ride "the hot hand." Yes, media, Jones is still the starter, but he will determine carries based on "feel."

Well, I bet Haley is going "feel" like the inevitable Thomas Jones 3 yards per carry sucks pretty quickly, and starting feeding it to "the hot hand," Charles, very early in the season.

...and Mangini kept trouting out Fat Jamal Lewis last year
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I'm not buying Thomas Jones listed as the starter on the depth chart and the time share talk. It just reminds me of the head games that Belichick and Mangini do.
That's not good news for Charles then. I'm a Pats fan and I have no idea who is gonna get the most carries on any given week in NE and Mangini kept trouting out Fat Jamal Lewis last year until he got hurt even though Harrison was the better back.
Yeah Mangini kept trouting out Fat Jamal Lewis last year just like Haley kept trouting out over the hill Larry Johnson until Larry put his foot in his mouth and the brass at KC shipped him out of town. Depending on what happens, this almost feels like ownership might have to tell Haley to stop BS'ing and put Charles in the game.It sort of reminds me of last year when Jeff Fisher kept trouting out Kerry Collins week after week until ownership finally stepped in and said, enough is enough and twisted his hand so he would play Vince Young! The thing that gets me is that these coaches are suppose to be the brightest minds in the game, that's why they're head coaches, but they continue to roll with players such as Kerry Collins, Jamal Lewis, and Larry Johnson when it is clear their backup was a better option! In my opinion TJ should get about 10 - 12 touches a game, but if Haley gives TJ 20+ touches and Charles 10 - 12 touches a game something is definitely wrong!
 
I'm firmly on the side of those who say Haley knows what he has, but that he doesn't necessarily think the rest of the league knows what he has. He will apply a healthy dose of Ground Chuck, and a double portion if they have a lead or if they fall behind, since GC is both the better runner and the better receiver.

 
Weren't people worried about Lendale White stealing carries from CJ last year too? That's what this reminds me of. Not that Charles will or won't run for 2k, but he's clearly the superior back. Jones appears to be on his last legs and I think is not much more than a short-yardage guy this year.

 
Im not at all worried about Charles and I hope Haley does what he says and plays the hot hand or the productive rb because IMO Jones is done and Charles is a stud. I also want to see Jones get 8-10 tocuhes a game becuase I don't think Charles is an every down rb but he can do a lot with 12-16 rushes and 5-7 catches a game. I think with a full year as the main guy Charles can catch over 60 passes easily the way Westbrook used to.

 
As a Charles owner I am pissed. But not as pissed as I would be if I was a Chiefs fan. You don't see Rex naming LT the starter do you? And he's got a resume that craps on TJ's.... Kinda reminds me of when Lendale White was stealing carries from CJ. Eventually they had to just give in and let CJ run if they wanted to have the best chance to win...I just hope there is enough uproar and pressure in KC by the fans/media to force Haley's hand after a few weeks so we can all start playing Charles with confidence....the worst thing that could happen for us Charles owners is TJ has some good showings. I'm getting out my TJ voodoo doll and hoping for some fumbles and a sub 3YPC avg...

 
I am considering starting Hightower instead of Charles if Beanie doesn't play. I just know I'll pick whichever back has the worst week.

 
Just curious is anyone sitting Charles this week? If so who are you going with?
Im between him and Addai. I like the upside of Charles for PPR and the possiblity he is the only one who scores, but JA is usually pretty solid at the goalline. Problem is, Peyton could sling it for 4 TD's and I end up with garbage yards for Addai.
 
Just curious is anyone sitting Charles this week? If so who are you going with?
I'm thinking of benching him for Jerome Harrison this week and start Harrison and Best. The way I'm thinking is that Best and Harrison will get at lest 20 touches each. Who knows how many touches Charles is going to get....
 
Sitting Charles for Best. Only because I want to see how TJ affects Charles and I know Best is supposedly going to be an every down type.

I think this becomes more clear next week so I don't think overreacting until then is justified.

 
im curious if, in the history of coachspeak, a coach has ever said "ya im gonna feed this back even if he sucks and the other guy is playin better." ofc a coach is gonna say hes playin the "hot hand" and ofc he is correct to abide by that. now, if you drafted charles in the 3rd round, its bc you thought has a ton of talent and ability to put up great fantasy points. ie, you think he is likely to be the "hot hand."

 
Sitting Charles for Best. Only because I want to see how TJ affects Charles and I know Best is supposedly going to be an every down type.I think this becomes more clear next week so I don't think overreacting until then is justified.
This is where I'm leaning now. Best is the running game for the Lions. He is the undisputed MAN.
 
Texican said:
Any idea how McCluster factors in?
He won't factor in.Dexter McCluster-WR-Chiefs Sep. 11 - 5:14 pm et Dexter McCluster is doubtful for Monday's game against the Chargers due to an illness.The Chiefs haven't revealed much information about McCluster's illness but he probably shouldn't be in fantasy lineups anyway. His role in the Kansas City offense isn't clearly defined and Jamaal Charles is likely to share carries with Thomas Jones in Monday night's opener.
 
Gopher State said:
the spanker said:
Just curious is anyone sitting Charles this week? If so who are you going with?
benching for Grant & Bradshaw, no regrets in doing so
an extension of my point is that if you are benching charles for bradshaw then you absolutely should not have drafted jc.
 
Just in:

(KFFL) San Diego Chargers OLB Shawne Merriman (Achilles') is listed as doubtful for Week 1, reports Adam Teicher, of The Kansas City Star.

Bump up Charles even more?

 
If Michael Bush is out , I may give McFadden the nod against the Titans rather than Charles v. The Chargers.

 
If Michael Bush is out , I may give McFadden the nod against the Titans rather than Charles v. The Chargers.
:popcorn: I have no words for some of you. Seriously, WTF? There is NOTHING to like more about McFadden than Charles. Hell, McFadden will probably break a toe-nail in the 2nd quarter and be out for the rest of the game.Dude, go with Charles and stop being silly. Don't be a part of the thread that's created very late Monday night titled "Tell me why I benched Jamaal Charles again < what an idiot".
 
Texican said:
Any idea how McCluster factors in?
He won't factor in.

Dexter McCluster-WR-Chiefs Sep. 11 - 5:14 pm et

Dexter McCluster is doubtful for Monday's game against the Chargers due to an illness.

The Chiefs haven't revealed much information about McCluster's illness but he probably shouldn't be in fantasy lineups anyway. His role in the Kansas City offense isn't clearly defined and Jamaal Charles is likely to share carries with Thomas Jones in Monday night's opener.
Notsofastmyfriend. McCuster practices Saturday. Game is Monday, so that gives them another day to get it sorted out.

upgraded:

McCluster upgraded to questionable

 
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My father told me a long-time ago about an unnamed player, ‘We’ve got this guy who’s starting who’s averaging 3.5 yards per carry and then you’ve got this guy on the bench who’s averaging 22 yards per carry in the preseason. Wouldn’t you put him in until the average went down a little bit? At least keep him in there until he’s not averaging 22 yards.’ That makes sense to me. That’s common sense.
--Todd Haley, 8/24
 
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Post-game comments by Haley - still constrained praise:

What more does Jamaal Charles really need to show you? “Jamaal obviously stepped up when he got in there and made a real big play for us, and a couple of other runs that looked like he did a real good job on. I think this team, the 45 guys we take to the game, are all going to be front-line players in my mind and Jamaal is one of those 45. I think that’s going to be part of what makes us a successful team. Everybody out there made enough plays for us to win. They didn’t turn the ball over, which was a very critical factor in our success tonight.”
 
Post-game comments by Haley - still constrained praise:

What more does Jamaal Charles really need to show you? “Jamaal obviously stepped up when he got in there and made a real big play for us, and a couple of other runs that looked like he did a real good job on. I think this team, the 45 guys we take to the game, are all going to be front-line players in my mind and Jamaal is one of those 45. I think that’s going to be part of what makes us a successful team. Everybody out there made enough plays for us to win. They didn’t turn the ball over, which was a very critical factor in our success tonight.”
Sounds like he's dancing around the fact that Charles deserves more carries.
 
Post-game comments by Haley - still constrained praise:

What more does Jamaal Charles really need to show you? “Jamaal obviously stepped up when he got in there and made a real big play for us, and a couple of other runs that looked like he did a real good job on. I think this team, the 45 guys we take to the game, are all going to be front-line players in my mind and Jamaal is one of those 45. I think that’s going to be part of what makes us a successful team. Everybody out there made enough plays for us to win. They didn’t turn the ball over, which was a very critical factor in our success tonight.”
Get me my shotgun!!! :( :clap: :rant: :rant:
 
Relax everyone Charles will emerge.....in the mean time enjoy his production on only 11 carries and get hyped up for when he is getting 17-20 touches a game.

It is a matter of time. And it will come very fast.

 

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