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Posted 13 September 2010 - 07:24 PM

For handing 8000 accounts a 10 dollar fee up front isn't unreasonable for a full season pool, but the whole "tip" thing is absurd. Charge what it's worth to you to do it or GTFO.



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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:36 PM

For handing 8000 accounts a 10 dollar fee up front isn't unreasonable for a full season pool, but the whole "tip" thing is absurd. Charge what it's worth to you to do it or GTFO.

Charging for it up front was considered more illegal than the way he did it
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Posted 14 September 2010 - 03:40 AM

How is fantasy football not the same as this gambling?

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 05:47 AM

I cant imagine joining something like this. What a load of crap.

Funny. This time last year, someone was making fun of me for not wanting to join this very pool. :shrug: :( Also, you can make money off gambling, pay taxes, and never receive a phone call. The IRS actually tells the FBI to GTFO when they ask (or have asked in the past) for the info on such tax payers. I don't know if this guy was doing it, how he was handling payouts, or how winners were handling their own taxes, but it may explain the local police being involved in the arrest and not some federal government agency. Taxes don't sound like the problem here. This guy was making (theoretically) $80k per year off this. He could have been paying taxes on it, but I don't think he's that smart. He could have... hmm, I think it's possible to do this in a manner, while not totally "legal," is possible to accomplish the way some people get around certain activities without being hassled. I'm going to shut up now until I reason this out a little more.

you may not have played this pool, but gambling is gambling. i'm sure at some point you entered a pool that someone ran, played roto or wagered on the individual statistics of a great player, like mark sanchez.

Ive done all of these things, but Ive never gotten in a pool where someone demanded a 10% tip. I used to be in very big one with 3 other guys where we each put in $25 for the entry and split it. It was all run on-line and it was all pretty much automated. You weren't in until you paypal'd the money (no collections). You had to put your pick in before the deadline or you were out. Once you entered your pick, you could see everyone elses pics. After the games were over, you could see all winners/losers. Once you were eliminated, you could no longer enter picks. How is this any "work" for anyone?

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:00 AM

For handing 8000 accounts a 10 dollar fee up front isn't unreasonable for a full season pool, but the whole "tip" thing is absurd. Charge what it's worth to you to do it or GTFO.

Charging for it up front was considered more illegal than the way he did it

Probably. Depending on how this guy handled all the taxes there could be people looking at some real serious time from the IRS.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:00 AM

How is fantasy football not the same as this gambling?

It is the same.....but there are laws that have been passed that state fantasy sports are legal. The UIGEA which ended most of the fun of neteller and party poker had an exemption for horse racing and fantasy sports.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:20 AM

Trying to get the cliff notes here: So was he pocketing 10% and just changed the verbiage to say he would accept a tip even though it was mandatory? I have never once took money for running a pool, of course 100 has been my max. We had a guy run a box pool at work one time, the payouts were $100 less than the total. We questioned him about it he said he keeps that. He had a tough time filling up that sheet. :confused:
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Posted 14 September 2010 - 06:27 AM

For handing 8000 accounts a 10 dollar fee up front isn't unreasonable for a full season pool, but the whole "tip" thing is absurd. Charge what it's worth to you to do it or GTFO.

Charging for it up front was considered more illegal than the way he did it

This. Tips are used to circumvent the law as one cannot act as the "house" that profits in a gambling operation. He should have hired a lawyer to help him write his "Tip Manifesto" posted by Pickles above.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:07 PM

this is interesting. I played in Bovery's pool from 2001-2004 or so and this year a friend 'gave' me a pick in Bovery's for helping him with some work. So i maybe i have a different perspective in that i didn't get directly stung, but yet i am familiar enough with all the participant in this possible scroogie. 1) To those say don't enter if the $$ is going to cause you to make death threats --- ok agreed, we aren't wackos and the death threats probably constitute more of a crime than anything. But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse? The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer? 2) The consensus is he is a pompous jerk. No debating that. Anyone looking for sympathy doesn't need to mention how huge his mansion is. And his emails are just plain fueling the fire, in my opinion. But let me get to a few points --- ** Why now? --- could be that question was answered for him, maybe he was LET GO from his teaching job and then decided to take action. I believe some of what he wrote, i just disagree with the context. ** Why send emails/ posts? --- any lawyers here? what lawyer wouldn't stop him from doing something that stupid? My guess is he doesn't have a lawyer because he hasn't been arrested. ** He has claimed you can go visit him if you call and set up an appointment. Judging from the amount of people (8,000), there has to be a significant local (to his 'home in Parlin') portion that is pissed off enough that going to his condo wouldn't be a big deal. I cannot believe no one has taken him up on it, so i have to believe that is BS too. ** It's funny he claims the police made him go through a psych-ward for a offhanded comment he made. Seems like to me the police wanted to stick it to him there, but yet GAVE HIM A FREE PASS on reporting it to the press? Oh and the press, from what i understand, knows how to look for a story. It's funny 8 policemen ransacking a condo didn't cause anyone in the complex to dial a friend, that friend knows someone..... how fast things travel today i cannot believe there wasn't a cameraman taking pics. It wouldn't take much to get a story after that. Is his condo on an Island? 3) to wrap it up, i would have to say he is at least guilty of associating with scumbuckets and that would cause me to question him as well. I believe it was 2004 (maybe 2003), i tried to enter but the pool was capped and i couldn't. An 'associate' of his then opened up a secondary market, and i can tell you, this was a fix. This jerk was from Colorado and after the first week he could never get the updates out in time for the games. And when he did, it was always "Just got back from taking my *** to college, what a lovely trip" on and on till he finally gave the breakdown of the teams selected in his email. I mean a Survival pool where you didn't know who had what until the games were almost done?!? That combined with a couple of 'schill picks', and you are home free with the money. Bovery is definitely guilty by association on that one, he provided the 'associate'.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:14 PM

But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse? The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer?

can you maybe flesh this out a bit for me. what do you mean by 'feeders' being stung by more than one entry fee?

Edited by mr. furley, 15 September 2010 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

I'm actually in a similar situation. Been playing in a NFL pool for a few seasons now, $125/man with about 200 guys in it. Won $350 last season and the guy has just disappeared. The winner still hasn't been paid his nearly $8K prize. I have the dude's home # and have left several messages with absolutely no reponse. Not a great scenario.

Sounds like somebody ####ed with the Jesus.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:24 PM

But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse? The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer?

can you maybe flesh this out a bit for me. what do you mean by 'feeders' being stung by more than one entry fee?

If you had an office you can streamline his pool by putting in 20 or so entries in a standard format and send together at once. So the feeder is at the top of a 20 person chain or more. So the feeders are getting heat for putting them on a shaky pool. This is crap because the people in feeder pools should have known there was a risk upsizing the pool like that.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:24 PM

i am having more and more doubts. no question the guy came off as pompous, but i can imagine you'd have to be. why instantaneously resign your job same day?
Look, I run two companies, was a division I catcher who was drafted but broke a disc in my back that ended my baseball career and am a student of the game (physically, I was not good enough to play in the majors - even if I hadn't broken a disc in my back, I would have been AT BEST like a Girardi), but I do not think it is ludicrous to think I have more perspective at times on making good moves. Yeah, it might sound conceded (sic), but I have been putting my thoughts and predictions in writing for over 5 years for a decent contingent of people and the Yankees would have been much better off listening to to my advice (even if I don't have all the info they have).

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:32 PM

I'm actually in a similar situation. Been playing in a NFL pool for a few seasons now, $125/man with about 200 guys in it. Won $350 last season and the guy has just disappeared. The winner still hasn't been paid his nearly $8K prize. I have the dude's home # and have left several messages with absolutely no reponse. Not a great scenario.

Sounds like somebody ####ed with the Jesus.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:43 PM

1) To those say don't enter if the $$ is going to cause you to make death threats --- ok agreed, we aren't wackos and the death threats probably constitute more of a crime than anything.
But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played
middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know
one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse?
The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer?

Anyone familiar with the RICO act and racketeering laws in this country would know this was incredibly stupid. They are lucky they got off losing $2,000 if that is the case.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:56 PM

But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse? The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer?

can you maybe flesh this out a bit for me. what do you mean by 'feeders' being stung by more than one entry fee?

If you had an office you can streamline his pool by putting in 20 or so entries in a standard format and send together at once. So the feeder is at the top of a 20 person chain or more. So the feeders are getting heat for putting them on a shaky pool. This is crap because the people in feeder pools should have known there was a risk upsizing the pool like that.

ah, roger that.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 01:05 PM

But what also has happened, the Bovery pool was so huge because there were a number of 'feeders' into it, so now those people are on the line because they played middle-man and the players are looking to them for answers, not to Jack Bovery. ok again, don't play if...... i get it. But people were stung for a lot more than just one entry fee. I know one guy who put 20 people in. What is his recourse? The rambling posts of a criminal or scammer?

can you maybe flesh this out a bit for me. what do you mean by 'feeders' being stung by more than one entry fee?

sorry, i tried to keep it short. Feeders are people who also run pools, but offer the 'Bovery' option as something bigger. So a player would send X a check ($) and say, put me in for 3 picks in your pool, and 2 picks in Bovery's pool. So this middle-man feeder, has 20 or so people after him, not Bovery. I am just saying it's the exception that players were only stung for one pick, or entry fee. More often it's was in the hundreds. Far more people play mutliple picks because it is so hard, and you can 'hedge' things should it go that far. And this is also a word of mouth pool, people will get mad at whomever gave them the idea. It's a bad scene, no doubt. And not good for gamblers in general no matter what you believe.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 02:34 PM

i am having more and more doubts. no question the guy came off as pompous, but i can imagine you'd have to be. why instantaneously resign your job same day?

this is one detail people could reasonably check out, without too much trouble. So i believe he did resign, but probably before then as he planned to split anyway. Then blamed in on the "incident". Seems like he might've been only "suspended with pay pending a hearing", what throw that away? It is funny the lack of info on this guy who had 8,000 people in his pool. Any teacher for 20 years should have his name somewhere on the net. Commencement speaker, some accomplishment, anything. The only listings for him were second-hand references to his pool. Yahoo Answers -- "what is the biggest Survival pool? -- John Bovery other football sites like this, touting his size....

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:13 AM

I'm actually involved in this pool as well Black Ice. I believe him. He's been running this thing for 20+ years. Why steal from us now? Why not a few years ago?

this pools has doubled in size almost every two years. It was barely 2,000 earlier in the decade. I assume you've heard of the expression "waiting for the big one"? And i am pretty sure i don't have to explain the economic situation now compared to even 4 years ago. 1+1= ?

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:34 AM

I knew a P.Wrinkle think he is related?
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:54 AM

I'm actually involved in this pool as well Black Ice. I believe him. He's been running this thing for 20+ years. Why steal from us now? Why not a few years ago?

this pools has doubled in size almost every two years. It was barely 2,000 earlier in the decade. I assume you've heard of the expression "waiting for the big one"? And i am pretty sure i don't have to explain the economic situation now compared to even 4 years ago. 1+1= ?

Anyone else think this here guy come across as a toolbag? If I was Bovery, I'd steal your money, too.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 10:00 AM

I'm actually involved in this pool as well Black Ice. I believe him. He's been running this thing for 20+ years. Why steal from us now? Why not a few years ago?

this pools has doubled in size almost every two years. It was barely 2,000 earlier in the decade. I assume you've heard of the expression "waiting for the big one"? And i am pretty sure i don't have to explain the economic situation now compared to even 4 years ago. 1+1= ?

Anyone else think this here guy come across as a toolbag? If I was Bovery, I'd steal your money, too.

:goodposting: He wants his money back, that's completely understandable. See the seven stages of grief. First is shock and denial, 2nd is pain, 3rd is anger and bargaining. The upward turn should be coming along soon when the healing can actually begin. If your participating in something against the law with sights upon the huge payouts of the top prize to get into a pool this good, you need to accept the risks involved. Nobody wins against the US Government, they just have to pick their battles because of so many of us willing to break the law and accept the risks. If this was a legit business, sure the guy could be traced. But Jack/John Bovery is likely just a name some guy used for the business in the first place.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 11:04 AM

I'm actually involved in this pool as well Black Ice. I believe him. He's been running this thing for 20+ years. Why steal from us now? Why not a few years ago?

this pools has doubled in size almost every two years. It was barely 2,000 earlier in the decade. I assume you've heard of the expression "waiting for the big one"? And i am pretty sure i don't have to explain the economic situation now compared to even 4 years ago. 1+1= ?

Anyone else think this here guy come across as a toolbag? If I was Bovery, I'd steal your money, too.

I already said i had no money in the pool, just trying to help people that aren't local and are maybe freaking out big time. Believe me, i can handle losing. Idiots like you are far more annoying to deal with.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 11:45 AM

I'm actually involved in this pool as well Black Ice. I believe him. He's been running this thing for 20+ years. Why steal from us now? Why not a few years ago?

this pools has doubled in size almost every two years. It was barely 2,000 earlier in the decade. I assume you've heard of the expression "waiting for the big one"? And i am pretty sure i don't have to explain the economic situation now compared to even 4 years ago. 1+1= ?

Anyone else think this here guy come across as a toolbag? If I was Bovery, I'd steal your money, too.

I already said i had no money in the pool, just trying to help people that aren't local and are maybe freaking out big time. Believe me, i can handle losing. Idiots like you are far more annoying to deal with.

Who lost anything? He got busted before the season started? People are out what? 100 bucks max? BFD, you gamble you lose sometimes.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:25 PM

Who lost anything? He got busted before the season started? People are out what? 100 bucks max? BFD, you gamble you lose sometimes. [/quote] exactly, BFD. but if you read the threads, people don't just put in one pick. many people put in 8, and some, who brokered the pool for others have other issues. so some are out 4 figures. for me it wouldn't be about the money anyway, but i only live 15 miles from the guy. I would figure it out. i was only trying to help the OP and others. i personally don't care which side this lands on. good luck to whomever lost money, but i think Bovery's gone.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 04:28 PM

I already said i had no money in the pool, just trying to help people that aren't local and are maybe freaking out big time. Believe me, i can handle losing. Idiots like you are far more annoying to deal with.

Yes, but I'm TRYING to be annoying. Tomorrow, when I wake up, I can go back to being a sane, normal person. Some of us, Aren't so Lucky.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:49 PM

i'm out 200- i was gonna lose anyway, but at least i could have made some awful picks. beginning to wonder too if john bovery is a real person. hopefully this guy gets shanked.
Look, I run two companies, was a division I catcher who was drafted but broke a disc in my back that ended my baseball career and am a student of the game (physically, I was not good enough to play in the majors - even if I hadn't broken a disc in my back, I would have been AT BEST like a Girardi), but I do not think it is ludicrous to think I have more perspective at times on making good moves. Yeah, it might sound conceded (sic), but I have been putting my thoughts and predictions in writing for over 5 years for a decent contingent of people and the Yankees would have been much better off listening to to my advice (even if I don't have all the info they have).

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:31 AM

exactly, BFD. but if you read the threads, people don't just put in one pick. many people put in 8, and some, who brokered the pool for others have other issues. so some are out 4 figures. for me it wouldn't be about the money anyway, but i only live 15 miles from the guy. I would figure it out. i was only trying to help the OP and others. i personally don't care which side this lands on. good luck to whomever lost money, but i think Bovery's gone. -------------------- Again, it's gambling. If someone goes in over one entry it doesn't make their cause special.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 02:24 PM

i'm out 200- i was gonna lose anyway, but at least i could have made some awful picks. beginning to wonder too if john bovery is a real person. hopefully this guy gets shanked.

i don't blame you. most sane people would feel that way. But he is real, i have spoken to him twice and my buddy talked to him all the time about pools etc... but he is gone, i have already found out he is not a full-time teacher, but a sub. This pool was his life, and now he made it his retirement. Sorry to hear about ur cash. I don't think anyone is upset about the money, it's about getting shafted. I don't think anyone thought "i'm gonna win it". you just wanted to have some fun.

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 11:45 PM

This is why I stick to the free message board contest. It doesn't cost me anything but hurt pride ;) Pretty interesting story, for sure. Looked around for some press on this and there's nothing, but it's possible LE isn't gonna say anything until an arraigment or whatever I guess. They may be looking at whether it's part of something bigger like organized crime or something. But given what other posters have put in terms of what the guy put on his website it's no surprise he got busted. He's practically begging for it seems - I would think that underworld folks would be more discreet. If he really set up a company or whatever to run this thing that seems the height of stupidity. Rudimentary google searches makes it seem to like this guy's a real person (i.e. not some psuedonym). I don't think he ran off with the $800k - mainly because I think that if he did he would've just done a total Houdini. But who knows. If I see something in the local press about it I'll post it up or put up a link. Gotta figure it would hit the papers sooner than later. -QG

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 12:16 AM

Dumb question (or maybe not). If the cops arrested him and seized his assets records and everything wouldn't they probably shut down the site too? That does seem odd to me. For those figuring a runaway - apparently he does a bunch of other stuff (baseball and the like) so if he hasn't paid that out he probably has that much more $. archive.org has the page from august '06 which looks much the same as the current one with his manifestos and stuf -QG

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:02 AM

This is why I stick to the free message board contest. It doesn't cost me anything but hurt pride :confused: Pretty interesting story, for sure. Looked around for some press on this and there's nothing, but it's possible LE isn't gonna say anything until an arraigment or whatever I guess. They may be looking at whether it's part of something bigger like organized crime or something. But given what other posters have put in terms of what the guy put on his website it's no surprise he got busted. He's practically begging for it seems - I would think that underworld folks would be more discreet. If he really set up a company or whatever to run this thing that seems the height of stupidity. Rudimentary google searches makes it seem to like this guy's a real person (i.e. not some psuedonym). I don't think he ran off with the $800k - mainly because I think that if he did he would've just done a total Houdini. But who knows. If I see something in the local press about it I'll post it up or put up a link. Gotta figure it would hit the papers sooner than later. -QG

good call with the total Houdini. ur right, why (even though he's pompous) even give people the slightest chance to catch on. i hit google pretty hard just to help out people i know in this thing. he is nowhere to be found, the only thing was a 2009 PDF showing he was renewed to SUBstitute teach in DDE school system. His wife teaches K. Why dwell on the teaching? Only cause the shadiest aspect, to me, was the one where he said the cops met his wife at the gas station and told he to go home to let them in. He was then contacted at school (on Yom Kippur!) where he then resigned. I don't believe any of those points. Also, maybe the Houdini you mentioned just occured. His last post stated he was 'not going to post for about a week' --- that could be the point where he said 'i gotta get out'. --- another Bengals fan in Jersey? pretty cool.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:16 AM

i believe this is now a scam....i mean if you can't trust to send strangers on the internet you've never met money, then who can you trust?
Look, I run two companies, was a division I catcher who was drafted but broke a disc in my back that ended my baseball career and am a student of the game (physically, I was not good enough to play in the majors - even if I hadn't broken a disc in my back, I would have been AT BEST like a Girardi), but I do not think it is ludicrous to think I have more perspective at times on making good moves. Yeah, it might sound conceded (sic), but I have been putting my thoughts and predictions in writing for over 5 years for a decent contingent of people and the Yankees would have been much better off listening to to my advice (even if I don't have all the info they have).

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:42 AM

This is why I stick to the free message board contest. It doesn't cost me anything but hurt pride :lmao: Pretty interesting story, for sure. Looked around for some press on this and there's nothing, but it's possible LE isn't gonna say anything until an arraigment or whatever I guess. They may be looking at whether it's part of something bigger like organized crime or something. But given what other posters have put in terms of what the guy put on his website it's no surprise he got busted. He's practically begging for it seems - I would think that underworld folks would be more discreet. If he really set up a company or whatever to run this thing that seems the height of stupidity. Rudimentary google searches makes it seem to like this guy's a real person (i.e. not some psuedonym). I don't think he ran off with the $800k - mainly because I think that if he did he would've just done a total Houdini. But who knows. If I see something in the local press about it I'll post it up or put up a link. Gotta figure it would hit the papers sooner than later. -QG

good call with the total Houdini. ur right, why (even though he's pompous) even give people the slightest chance to catch on. i hit google pretty hard just to help out people i know in this thing. he is nowhere to be found, the only thing was a 2009 PDF showing he was renewed to SUBstitute teach in DDE school system. His wife teaches K. Why dwell on the teaching? Only cause the shadiest aspect, to me, was the one where he said the cops met his wife at the gas station and told he to go home to let them in. He was then contacted at school (on Yom Kippur!) where he then resigned. I don't believe any of those points. Also, maybe the Houdini you mentioned just occured. His last post stated he was 'not going to post for about a week' --- that could be the point where he said 'i gotta get out'. --- another Bengals fan in Jersey? pretty cool.

The Holiday in question was Rosh Hashana not Yom Kippur - from the calendar, it looks like the school was closed only on the 9th for that holiday. Presumably they were open on the 10th so if that's the day he was arrested it technically is possible. Hadn't read about him saying he wasn't going to post for about a week - really only skimmed his site. That's clearly shady. And yes, another Bengals fan in Jersey - Who Dey :thumbup: -QG

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 09:25 AM

i believe this is now a scam....i mean if you can't trust to send strangers on the internet you've never met money, then who can you trust?

Did you check it out with the local police?

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 10:48 AM

His story does say 9/9 - which is not a school day there. -QG

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:40 PM

Link from his site that answers e-mails
Nothing on there since 9/15. Haven't seen anything in the media.

I have no dog in the fight btw, just find the story interesting.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:27 PM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:35 PM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:36 PM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:38 PM

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:23 PM

Soooo.................it's a Joe Bryant alias?
A properly executed intervention places you at a huge disadvantage. You are caught off guard, heavily outnumbered and most likely badly hungover. An intervention is a sneak attack, a very personal Pearl Harbor. You think your life is careening happily along like a brilliantly out-of-control speed boat and suddenly Japanese zeros (piloted by your friends, no less) are shrieking out of the sky to drop thousand-pound guilt bombs on your happy little ship.

Nobody cares about your fantasy team.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:24 PM

4 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
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And THIS is a terrible user name. Do yourself a favor and have a mod nuke it from orbit.
A properly executed intervention places you at a huge disadvantage. You are caught off guard, heavily outnumbered and most likely badly hungover. An intervention is a sneak attack, a very personal Pearl Harbor. You think your life is careening happily along like a brilliantly out-of-control speed boat and suddenly Japanese zeros (piloted by your friends, no less) are shrieking out of the sky to drop thousand-pound guilt bombs on your happy little ship.

Nobody cares about your fantasy team.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:38 PM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

so.... nothing new under the Sun? 500 words of nothing. what about your criminal friend from Colorado? he scammed the cash big time John-Boy! I am sure you are just like him. Crook.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 11:34 PM

He does mention this thread on his site. I don't think I've said anything that I didn't indicate as speculative and I noted merely the lack of media reports. But I have no dog in the fight either way, just find the story interesting. Hope it all comes out okay for the folks involved. Okay I'm now in :mellow: mode as well. Though if I come across an article on it in the media I'll post it up. -QG

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 02:57 AM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

so.... nothing new under the Sun? 500 words of nothing. what about your criminal friend from Colorado? he scammed the cash big time John-Boy! I am sure you are just like him. Crook.

i have no idea what you are referring to about Colorado, please explain

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 04:25 PM

for anyone questioning the reality of this situation, i dont know if it helps but when i got the e-mail of the arrest, i immidiately called Sayerville police to see if they can confirm any of this story in which they did. They said that John Bovery was arrested for promoting gambling and his court date probably won't be for a while. I am assuming this whole case won't be settled for at least a year, maybe 2. Anyway, hopefully John will keep us up to date with when the court date is so we can maybe all get together and tailgate before hand :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 05:16 PM

for anyone questioning the reality of this situation, i dont know if it helps but when i got the e-mail of the arrest, i immidiately called Sayerville police to see if they can confirm any of this story in which they did. They said that John Bovery was arrested for promoting gambling and his court date probably won't be for a while. I am assuming this whole case won't be settled for at least a year, maybe 2. Anyway, hopefully John will keep us up to date with when the court date is so we can maybe all get together and tailgate before hand :yes:

If we learned anything from Strumey's case before this that if this Bovery guy wants to keep it in state, and not get UIEGA or IRS on him he'll have to pay out the nose. Probably every last dime they seized, and every last dime the guy has will get burned up and then some. Family relationships will get strained as he has to get loans from them too for retainers. If he really was pushing 6 figure payouts to individuals and they didn't claim it they are all gonna get wrapped up in this. If this Bovery guy is lucky they are all in state, but judging on size of it that isn't the case at all. Out of state big payouts and he's easily looking at some time.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 05:48 PM

Hello, this is John (Jack) Bovery checking into this message board which i just found out about today. I do not like message boards because the messages (and replies) do not flow very well and the context gets all jumbled up. Therefore I will not be a frequent poster here, all messages I need to put out will be done at www.jrwinkle.com. From what i have read here, very few if any of the posters are actually players in my pools for the past 20 years, instead what I see is the majority of posters making inaccurate statements or assumptions about the 20 year history of my pools and how i operate them. I can confidently say that the players (almost 4,000) in my database who represent almost 9,000 entries in the main pool, have been very satisfied with how i managed these pools for 20 years. There is so much that is just plain wrong with these postings I will not bother to post here to make all the corrections, it would be too long. Instead i invite anyone with a question to email me (curious to see who will do it anonymously and who will identify themselves) and i will do my best to answer all questions that way, as long as the question does not cross the line into the world of my legal defense. All I can say is that I have not run off with the money and I am attempting to fight a legal battle with every penny of my money (along with pool money) seized on 9/9. I am anxious for the legal system to start things in motion, and i look forward to successfully defending myself, my pools and my players; but unfortunately the 'system' works slower than i wish it did. All the facts will eventually come out and at that time everyone will see that every single word i have posted at www.jrwinkle.com since 9/9 is the gospel truth. As always i thank my supporters for all their kind words and as for my skeptics, all i can ask is please do not judge me until all the facts are known. thanks for your understanding, JB.

so.... nothing new under the Sun? 500 words of nothing. what about your criminal friend from Colorado? he scammed the cash big time John-Boy! I am sure you are just like him. Crook.

To Expose: I just re-read your postings and i think i follow you now. As for the second pool started about 6 years ago run by a guy from Colorado (Tom C. is his name); I do not know him personally, he ,like thousands of others, joined my pools over 20 years. The year in question, he was begging for a second pool since a bunch of people got knocked out the first few weeks but i did not want to run a second pool, they just took up too much time back then when it was all done manually. He had attained (thru an error of mine by not using BCC on an email) about 20% of my pool players' emails and he started a second pool by emailing those people. I spoke to him and complained about what he did, I did not play in his pool and if anyone emailed me asking about him - I told them i was not involved and could not vouch for the guy. As his pool went on, i did get email complaints about his lack of efficiency, but once again i had nothing to do with him. Your complaint of him being a crook is the first complaint i have heard about his handling of the purse or anything like that. If you give me the details (does he owe you money?) I will investigate it with him and solve any problem that might exist. As for your reference of my pool being capped back 6 years ago, this is completely false, this coming season (2010) was the first year i was imposing a cap, in all prior years the entry box remained open as per usual, with no cap.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:56 PM

Hey Jack, Did it ever cross your mind that what you are doing might be illegal? Did you ever get legal advice to make sure everything was above board? Some of the things you have written make me think that you failed to consider the possible consequences of your actions.
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