Every year a talented crop of receivers enter the NFL. Most of them have not received their opportunity yet, but may be only a few games from fantasy relevance. Dynasty leaguers are always on the prowl for the next stud wr. Who are your rookie sleepers? Personally i really like Stephen William because of his freakish build and go-up-and-get-it abilty, but there are many other potential breakouts (Danario Alexander anyone?). List your top 10 rookie wrs if u can, or comment on any rookie wrs you feel are undervalued that may explode over the next few years. Whos the next big thing? Discuss
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2010 Rooke WR class (1 Viewer)
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gotexansgo
Footballguy
1 Demaryius Thomas (think he will be a stud)
2 Dez bryant (think he disappoints)
3 Mike Williams
4 Mardy Gilyard
5 Golden Tate
6 Emmanuel Sanders
7 Stephen Williams
8 Jordan Shipley (question if he can ever become more then a slot guy)
9 Brandon LaFell
10 Danario Alexander (can he ever stay healthy?)
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forgot Mccluster, not really sure where to put him because Im not sure if he will ever carve out a real role on offense
2 Dez bryant (think he disappoints)
3 Mike Williams
4 Mardy Gilyard
5 Golden Tate
6 Emmanuel Sanders
7 Stephen Williams
8 Jordan Shipley (question if he can ever become more then a slot guy)
9 Brandon LaFell
10 Danario Alexander (can he ever stay healthy?)
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forgot Mccluster, not really sure where to put him because Im not sure if he will ever carve out a real role on offense
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Best, Probable Studs
1. Demaryius Thomas
2. Dez Bryant
High Upside, should all be fantasy relevant.
3. Mike Williams
4. Dexter McCluster
5. Golden Tate
Could be fantasy relevant, but more of a gamble.
6. Arrelious Benn
7. Damian Williams
8. Stephen Williams
9. Brandon LaFell
10. Eric Decker
The Rest: Guys who could one day do something for fantasy purposes.
Shipley, Alexander, Gilyard, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown.
1. Demaryius Thomas
2. Dez Bryant
High Upside, should all be fantasy relevant.
3. Mike Williams
4. Dexter McCluster
5. Golden Tate
Could be fantasy relevant, but more of a gamble.
6. Arrelious Benn
7. Damian Williams
8. Stephen Williams
9. Brandon LaFell
10. Eric Decker
The Rest: Guys who could one day do something for fantasy purposes.
Shipley, Alexander, Gilyard, Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown.
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Brady Gaga
Footballguy
You guys must be kidding.
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Serious? Demaryius + Dez are far better prospects than Mike Williams, and I don't think it is all that close. Of course are we talking about long term value or short term? Over the next decade, I think Demaryius+Dez are definite STUDS and will be of more value than Williams. Demaryuis is a basic clone of Calvin in my opinion. Same school, same type of player in college, same type of skills/build/talent.BespokeJort
Footballguy
My list would look very close to this, except I'd switch Williams and Thomas (might sound stupid now, but I have a feeling Thomas makes a lot of people feel stupid in the future), switch Benn and Gilyard (Benn is criminally underrated at this point. People had him neck-and-neck with Dez Bryant a couple years ago (I felt they were wrong at the time, but he's better than people are giving him credit for. The success of Mike Williams is making people forget that plenty of very-talented, very valuable WRs take a couple years to start producing. Now some people have him ranked below Jordan Shipley), and boot Armanti Edwards (strikes me as a brad smith-type gadget player at best--high NFL value, low FF value) in favor of Danario Alexander (a guy I've been high on since day one--hugely boom/bust, but I only play dynasty so I'd rather have his potential than Edwards' projected visually electrifying statistical mediocrity)
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Even though i dont agree, i can at least understand why someone would think Thomas and Bryanst are better prospects than Williams. Were you lost me was calling Thomas a Calvin clone.Serious? Demaryius + Dez are far better prospects than Mike Williams, and I don't think it is all that close. Of course are we talking about long term value or short term? Over the next decade, I think Demaryius+Dez are definite STUDS and will be of more value than Williams. Demaryuis is a basic clone of Calvin in my opinion. Same school, same type of player in college, same type of skills/build/talent.
I think he's more of an AJ clone personally.
Everytime I've seen him, including the preseason game vs Miami, I've been impressed. He knows how to get open and has field awareness, in addition to a nice combination of size, speed and strength. Plus, he will have more opportunity than any other rookie. He's a top 20 going forward.
gotexansgo
Footballguy
If this was just for the season I wouldnt have an issue but long term I dont think he is on the same level as Demaryius, I dont even think Dez is on that level either.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Agree. I have Williams in one dynasty league and wouldn't trade him for Dez or Thomas. Likewise I own Dez in another dynasty and doubt I could get Williams for him.
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SSOG
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He's not really a clone of anyone, but the receiver I see him most frequently draw comparisons to is the guy he was drafted to replace- Brandon Marshall.
Well any of those outcomes would be satisfactory. Really what it's saying is that this guy has elite upside. Dez seems like more of a sure thing I think. But does he have DT's upside?
im more interested in who people have after the top 3 in their rankings. who do u guys think will emerge from the likes of eric decker, taylor price, emmanuel sanders, stephen williams, and damien williams to be a top fantasy receiver. who are ur sleepers (3-10)?
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SSOG
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Well, it might say that Demaryius has elite upside, or it might say that most people are fond of comparing incoming prospects to current established studs. I mean, you never hear anyone say "he's 95% the prospect Charles Rodgers was", even though by all accounts they should, because Charles Rodgers was the second best WR prospect of the past decade.Either way, I don't think you should be basing judgments on a player's upside on what crazy comparisons people are making about him. Demaryius's upside is no higher if people are comparing him to Andre Johnson than it is if they're comparing him to Roy E. Williams. Ultimately, the only thing that impacts Bay-Bay's upside is Bay-Bay himself.
Also, I think that Bryant has a higher upside than Thomas. Why? Because I think Bryant is a better WR. His measurables might not be as eye-popping (although he's far from a slouch, himself), but measurables only take a player so far. Matt Jones had some of the best measurables in the league. Larry Fitzgerald's are merely good, not great. Would anyone say that Matt Jones has a higher upside than Larry Fitzgerald, though?
No of course not. But more goes in to it than just measurables. A players head has a lot to do with it and by all accounts DT has one of the best ones on his neck. I think that more than anything separates him from most other young WR's. He also has a good attitude to go along with it from what I understand. Now by themselves, those things might not make a top WR, but combined I like his chances. As far as Dez goes, something about his personality doesn't sit well with me and I think it could in the future interfere with his pro football career. Just a hunch.
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PahtyTom
Footballguy
After watching Mike Williams juke Leon Hall out of his jock on a play last week, I'd say it's probably closer than you think.
Serious? Demaryius + Dez are far better prospects than Mike Williams, and I don't think it is all that close. Of course are we talking about long term value or short term? Over the next decade, I think Demaryius+Dez are definite STUDS and will be of more value than Williams. Demaryuis is a basic clone of Calvin in my opinion. Same school, same type of player in college, same type of skills/build/talent.
The concentration (in limited highlight clips I've seen) of Mike Williams is really impressive. Couple that with:
strength and willingness to run through tackles after catch
Good size and measurables
putting up stats in a marginal run-based offense
playing with a raw QB who is #21 in pass attempts this year with no real threat to keep defenses honest on the other side.
Dude is impressive.
strength and willingness to run through tackles after catch
Good size and measurables
putting up stats in a marginal run-based offense
playing with a raw QB who is #21 in pass attempts this year with no real threat to keep defenses honest on the other side.
Dude is impressive.
aright back to rookie rankings heres mine
1. Dez Bryant
2. Demaryious Thomas
3. Mike Williams
4. Golden Tate
5. Arrelious Benn
6. Stephen Williams
7. Brandon Lafell
8. Emmanuel Sanders
9. Marty Gilyard
10. Eric Decker
Not sure what to make of Damian Williams and Taylor Price
1. Dez Bryant
2. Demaryious Thomas
3. Mike Williams
4. Golden Tate
5. Arrelious Benn
6. Stephen Williams
7. Brandon Lafell
8. Emmanuel Sanders
9. Marty Gilyard
10. Eric Decker
Not sure what to make of Damian Williams and Taylor Price
gotexansgo
Footballguy
he played 3 games, got hurt in the last one, I fail to see how he gets hurt everygame
Failing to mention how Dez has been Q or P for the past 2 or 3 weeks........ Personally I think Dez is more glass than DT.
anyone think damien williams might be close to breakin out? nothing extraordinary but looked pretty good. 4 targets for 4 catches. led the wide receivers with 48 yards. might have it in him to beat out nate and be the #2. im def putting him in the top 10 for rookie wr. anyone else who saw the game wanna comment on his performance?
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with desean out, cooper is gonna get some PT. im interested in how he does, but im gonna try n pick up damien. after i do, maybe il start a thread for him, hes got potential
az_prof
Footballguy
Kenny Britt breaking out and a team that runs the ball a ton and doesn't pass much will hold him back.
Glaven
Footballguy
What suggests that this is currently happening? Even though he's got in the endzone 4 weeks in a row, he's still only averaging something like 35-45 yards a game. That's a really low number for a "breakout". Also, reading this thread reiterates how impatient people are.
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I'd take the TDs over yards. When Tenn Titans has a play in their playbook that specifically looks for Britt in the redzone I call that a breakout. I hope you change your mind. It will help you in Fantasy Football.
Glaven
Footballguy
The thing is TDs are much more volatile on a week to week and season to season basis. I don't like starting WRs whose fantasy production relies pretty well solely on whether or not they get in the endzone that game. I think Britt is a fine young WR and I'd be happy to own him in dynasty leagues, but to say he is breaking out right now is an overstatement at this point.steelwind said:
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SSOG
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That's twice in rapid succession that I was about to reply to a post, only to see Glaven had already said exactly what I was going to say. Really nice work, Glaven.Right now, Kenny Britt's "breakout" has him on pace for 560 receiving yards this year.
with the season winding down here are my updated rookie wr dynasty rankings. feel free to post urs
1. dez bryant
2. mike williams
3. demaryious thomas
4. danario alexander
5. arrelious benn
6. jacoby ford
7. emmanuel sanders
8. golden tate
9. damian williams
10. shipley/mccluster.....dont think these guys are ever gonna be top recievers but they should be relevant
then theres the high upside of....david gettis, ajirotutu, stephen williams, brandon lefell
and then guys who havent done anything yet but have talent/measureables - eric decker, taylor price, dezmon briscoe, carlton mitchell, riley cooper, antonio brown, marty gilyard, armanti edwards, andre roberts
think thats about everybody. anyone else wanna contribute to the discussion
1. dez bryant
2. mike williams
3. demaryious thomas
4. danario alexander
5. arrelious benn
6. jacoby ford
7. emmanuel sanders
8. golden tate
9. damian williams
10. shipley/mccluster.....dont think these guys are ever gonna be top recievers but they should be relevant
then theres the high upside of....david gettis, ajirotutu, stephen williams, brandon lefell
and then guys who havent done anything yet but have talent/measureables - eric decker, taylor price, dezmon briscoe, carlton mitchell, riley cooper, antonio brown, marty gilyard, armanti edwards, andre roberts
think thats about everybody. anyone else wanna contribute to the discussion
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BuckeyeChaos
Footballguy
Nice list.I'd add Dorin Dickerson to your "guys that haven't done anything yet but have talent" section. In that offense with Schaub he could post some serious numbers.The only thing I see holding back S Williams is the QB situation in AZ. If they can address that with McNabb or Kolb or some other vet I'd be a lot more on his bandwagon.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Try and project where Andrew Luck goes. You want a WR on that team if hey are available. You'll quickly know if he has value. I'm banking on Carolina taking him if he comes out. I have Gettis. If they pass on Luck, I look at the 2011 draft class for my #6 WR and Gettis gets cut.Players like Gettis should be rostered on all dynasty leagues right at the end of the year. S. Williams too.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I like Lafell over Gettis. Any other thoughts from CAR fans?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Lafell was taken so I had to go with Gettis when I saw him getting reps. Lafell is probably better becasue Gettis is a body catcher, but right now Gettis is seeing the reps at #2. Things may change when the new coaching regime comes in.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Jacoby Ford needs to be in the top 3.
I think going forward, he surpasses Mike Williams. I would compare his physical talent and natural ball catching skills to be on par with a young Steve Smith (Carolina). If you think it’s just because I am a Raider fan, check out CNNSI’s draft redux article that has Ford going in the first round as the third WR taken behind Dez and Mike Williams.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...edux/index.html
The Raiders by the way killed it in this year’s draft scoring 4 first-rounders.
I think going forward, he surpasses Mike Williams. I would compare his physical talent and natural ball catching skills to be on par with a young Steve Smith (Carolina). If you think it’s just because I am a Raider fan, check out CNNSI’s draft redux article that has Ford going in the first round as the third WR taken behind Dez and Mike Williams.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...edux/index.html
The Raiders by the way killed it in this year’s draft scoring 4 first-rounders.
FavreCo
Footballguy
He could use a QB too. Until then he won't be able to put up consistent fantasy numbers.It's almost always about situation when drafted. Williams showcased skills pre-season and had no one blocking his way to a starting job. Ford was able to get on the field via injuries.
A guy like Demaryius Thomas has big issues when they finally go with Teblow.
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Ultima Thule
Footballguy
Armstrong in Washington deserves some consideration too. Rookie right?
Ultima Thule
Footballguy
Armstrong in Washington deserves some consideration too. Rookie right?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Armstrong is essentially a rookie but was with Miami some in a previous season and is 27. So not technically one.
Does Raiderfan think Ford is a better bet for WR2 or better production than Murphy? It seems since Murphy came back Ford has disappeared more. Seems doubtful both can be successful because both are speed/deep types.
Does Raiderfan think Ford is a better bet for WR2 or better production than Murphy? It seems since Murphy came back Ford has disappeared more. Seems doubtful both can be successful because both are speed/deep types.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Yes, I think Ford >>>>Murphy.Murphy in my opinion has regressed this year. He started the season well, but then got dinged up and how shown both inconsistent route running and alligator arms. He lacks polish, and a better WR’s coach, as Sanjay Lal is the joke of all WR coaches in the league.Ford is the real deal. Watch him and you will see that he is not a track star converted to be a WR. He’s a true WR with track star speed and is a ball hawk. He has surprising strength for a little guy. That is what reminds me of Steve Smith of Carolina. It is true that his lack of consistent QB play hurts him. But if you consider Steve Smith never had an elite QB either, I would not consider that a detriment moving forward. Ford is a playmaker. Anytime the ball is thrown to him, it appears he has his man beat. When he gets the ball in open space, his 4.2 speed and NFL caliber quicks are hard to tackle. Ford is a straight baller. Murphy has had a difficult 2nd season, and he needs to man up and run fearless routes over the middle and take his punishment. Murphy has some maturing to do.The development of Darrius Heyward Bey is also going to be critical. If he can improve his route running and become a threat on the opposite side, he can pull coverage over to his side freeing up the true playmaker Ford.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
Although currently this class is underwhelming and he should be ranked near the top, I still feel he is a flash in the pan. He made a few great grabs and took them all the way but he still lacks the measurables and polish to convince me. Obviously small WRs have succeeded in this league but they've also had more of a pedigree. I think Mike Thomas and Jacoby will have similar careers but no more than WR3s. To me that's his ceiling.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think Ford is more explosive and more of a playmaker than Thomas. But Thomas is more polished. If Ford got Thomas' targets he would be great, I think, I'm just not sure that's ever going to happen.
saintfool
Dead sexy
do you think fitz is getting moved? what about breaston - who played pretty well as a nominal starter - re-signed? because, unless those two things happen, i don't see how stephen williams has *that* much value, especially with the uncertainty at the QB position going into next year.
FavreCo
Footballguy
If you are set at WR no, but there has to be at least one team in your dynasty league that has a hack like Crayton, Berrian, Hartline or Avant rostered. S. Williams has upside. They don't. I don't expect Fitz to go anywhere. Williams doesn't have the Gettis potential for tha reason.
