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I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

 
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I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
I can see you have never been a part of negotiations.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
So did they not care about the health and lives of the players before? I completely agree with the op here. With all of the injuries and especially concussions the league needs to show they care about the welfare of the players when they really care more about the almighty dollar.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
Lives? Who has died from this? I don't want to hear someone could because an airplane could crash into my house as I'm typing this and I wouldn't be able to fini
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
I can see you have never been a part of negotiations.
Actually, took part in many negotiations as part of an alternative dispute resolution course I took in law school, so you could say I have some ancillary experience. It would seem you have never been a part of negotiations if you think the owners will push a napkin across the table that says "18-game season" and the players won't push the napkin showing that concussions are on pace to triple last year's numbers. 21 concussions diagnosed in 2009, 35 so far in 2010. Much of that is just that they diagnose concussions much better now, but it won't change the arguments at the negotiating table.
 
It's not a rule change.
When the punishment changes, that's a rule change, my friend. Or else changing a holding penalty from 10 to 50 yards wouldn't be a rule change.
:lmao:
Wrong, but good try. If it were a new rule it would have gone through the Rules Committee, The rule and penalty on the field are exactly the same. If the players were immediately ejected and suspended I would agree with you.
 
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It's not a rule change.
When the punishment changes, that's a rule change, my friend. Or else changing a holding penalty from 10 to 50 yards wouldn't be a rule change.
:lmao:
Wrong, but good try. If it were a new rule it would have gone through the Rules Committee, The rule and penalty on the field are exactly the same. If the players were immediately ejected and suspended I would agree with you.
But the rule off the field has absolutely changed.i.e. the rule has changed.
 
It's not a rule change.
When the punishment changes, that's a rule change, my friend. Or else changing a holding penalty from 10 to 50 yards wouldn't be a rule change.
:lmao:
Wrong, but good try. If it were a new rule it would have gone through the Rules Committee, The rule and penalty on the field are exactly the same. If the players were immediately ejected and suspended I would agree with you.
But the rule off the field has absolutely changed.i.e. the rule has changed.
I am missing something, how did the rule change on the field?
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
Lives? Who has died from this? I don't want to hear someone could because an airplane could crash into my house as I'm typing this and I wouldn't be able to fini
Chris Henry.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
Lives? Who has died from this? I don't want to hear someone could because an airplane could crash into my house as I'm typing this and I wouldn't be able to fini
Chris Henry.
On December 16, 2009, Henry was involved in a car accident in Charlotte, North Carolina, where he sustained grave injuries. Charlotte police stated that Henry fell out of the back of a moving truck driven by his fiancee, Loleini Tonga, while they were engaged in a domestic dispute.
 
It's not a rule change.
When the punishment changes, that's a rule change, my friend. Or else changing a holding penalty from 10 to 50 yards wouldn't be a rule change.
:thumbup:
Wrong, but good try. If it were a new rule it would have gone through the Rules Committee, The rule and penalty on the field are exactly the same. If the players were immediately ejected and suspended I would agree with you.
Rule change/philosophy change/punishment change- this is just a pointless semantics argument that really has nothing to do with what I was writing about. Whatever you want to call the change, it seems clear that this has everything to do with making the 18-game schedule happen. Concussions are big news now. The NFL could have addressed this before; I don't think it's a coincidence that they do so during the sixth week of a regular season that just happens to be during their big push for 18.
 
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I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.
when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.
Lives? Who has died from this? I don't want to hear someone could because an airplane could crash into my house as I'm typing this and I wouldn't be able to fini
Chris Henry.
On December 16, 2009, Henry was involved in a car accident in Charlotte, North Carolina, where he sustained grave injuries. Charlotte police stated that Henry fell out of the back of a moving truck driven by his fiancee, Loleini Tonga, while they were engaged in a domestic dispute.
so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.This is one example.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.

 
Lives? Who has died from this? I don't want to hear someone could because an airplane could crash into my house as I'm typing this and I wouldn't be able to fini
Chris Henry.
On December 16, 2009, Henry was involved in a car accident in Charlotte, North Carolina, where he sustained grave injuries. Charlotte police stated that Henry fell out of the back of a moving truck driven by his fiancee, Loleini Tonga, while they were engaged in a domestic dispute.
so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.This is one example.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
As does eating McDonalds. Or playing catcher in baseball. Or working in a coal mine. Or doing boxing or mma.Its football. The absolute most honored sport in America. The best of the best sports ever.

Its GLADITORIAL.

If there wasnt a risk factor, it wouldnt be worth crap.

And yet, we have almost no broken necks and never had a death(?), in some 80 years.

 
And yet, we have almost no broken necks and never had a death(?), in some 80 years.
But we do have plenty of evidence that your brain is massively damaged if you play in the NFL.ETA: took one of the claims out b/c I can't find the article supporting it now.
 
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so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

This is one example.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
I have to agree here. I remember when I read about Henry's brain I wondered how that must have contributed to his behavior, on that last day at the very least. I can't say I have any problem with the rule change either; that hit on DeSean Jackson may indeed be life altering down the road, in addition to the damage done right now. I'm just saying that under normal procedures, this is something that MAYBE gets looked at during the offseason, right? This one happened on Monday morning. They didn't even wait for the week's slate of games to be over. The NFL has never taken a step like that for player safety that I can remember. Changes like this always happen during the offseason. At the very least they happen in between games in the middle of the week. It's clear that something was pushing the NFL to address this THIS SECOND. C'mon, the league doesn't care THAT much about player safety.
 
so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

This is one example.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
I have to agree here. I remember when I read about Henry's brain I wondered how that must have contributed to his behavior, on that last day at the very least. I can't say I have any problem with the rule change either; that hit on DeSean Jackson may indeed be life altering down the road, in addition to the damage done right now. I'm just saying that under normal procedures, this is something that MAYBE gets looked at during the offseason, right? This one happened on Monday morning. They didn't even wait for the week's slate of games to be over. The NFL has never taken a step like that for player safety that I can remember. Changes like this always happen during the offseason. At the very least they happen in between games in the middle of the week. It's clear that something was pushing the NFL to address this THIS SECOND. C'mon, the league doesn't care THAT much about player safety.
I agree it is a factor. You made some great points to bring this factor to light, but I'm not sure how much of a factor it is IMO. I would hope that it is less significant than player health and safety, though.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.

so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
The article below strongly supports your point about Chris Henry's death, Sammy. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/f...ll/29henry.html

Former Bengal Henry Found to Have Had Brain Damage

By ALAN SCHWARZ

Published: June 28, 2010

Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals receiver who died during a domestic dispute last December, has been identified by experts as the first player to have died with trauma-induced brain damage while still active in the N.F.L.

Dr. Julian Bailes and Dr. Bennet Omalu of the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University announced on Monday that Henry, 26, had developed chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the progressive brain disease whose recent discovery in some retired N.F.L. players has raised questions of football’s long-term safety risks.

The 22nd professional football player to be given a diagnosis of C.T.E., Henry is the first to have died with the disease while active after 2007, when prior C.T.E. findings prompted the N.F.L. to begin strengthening rules regarding concussion management. The fact that he developed the condition by his mid-20s — the youngest previous C.T.E. case was the lineman Justin Strzelczyk, 36, who had been retired from the Pittsburgh Steelers for five years before his death in 2004 — raises questions of how many current N.F.L. players might have the condition without knowing it.

“As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound,” said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. “I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this.”

In a statement, a co-chairman of the league’s head, neck and spine medical committee, Dr. Hunt Batjer, said, “Our committee has and will continue to address all issues relative to head injuries in current players.”

A message for the union spokesman George Atallah was not returned.

Caused exclusively by brain trauma, C.T.E. cannot be diagnosed in a living person; only microscopic examinations of brain tissue can identify the protein deposits and other abnormalities that mark the disease. So active players who might react to the Henry finding by seeking a test before continuing their careers must make do with unknowns.

“It’s very emotional to hear — it rattles me,” said Sean Morey, a special-teams player now with the Seattle Seahawks, who is a co-chairman of the union’s brain-injury committee. “The fact that this has been found that guys played against last year, an active player, I think it’s sobering. You have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don’t even know about it.”

Like many of the other players found to have had C.T.E. after their deaths, Henry had behavioral problems in his final years that might have been at least partly a result of the disease, which is linked to depression, poor decision-making and substance abuse.

He was arrested five times in a 28-month stretch for incidents involving assault, driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana possession. The league suspended him several times for violating its personal-conduct policy.

Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards in the Bengals’ first eight games last season before he broke his arm and was put on injured reserve.

Henry died in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 17 after falling out or jumping out of the back of a pickup truck driven by his fiancée, Loleini Tonga. The head injuries that killed Henry were not related to the C.T.E. finding because the proteins and other changes that mark C.T.E. develop only over time, Bailes said.

Bailes said that he had not found evidence in news reports that Henry had sustained any diagnosed concussions during his N.F.L. career, and that he would soon make a request for related information from the Bengals. Bailes said he did know that Henry had not reported any concussions during his two seasons at West Virginia, because Bailes also serves as a Mountaineers team physician and had access to those records.

Bailes said he planned to speak with Henry’s family members to learn if he had sustained any notable hits or head injuries at Belle Chasse High School just outside New Orleans.

“I don’t want to imply that this is an N.F.L.-only phenomenon,” said Bailes, who wondered if problems are set up “while the brain is young and vulnerable, and it sustains an injury.”

He added: “Players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play and you think it’s exposure based. Now with Chris Henry being so young, we have to rethink that.”

Near the end of last season, the N.F.L. strengthened several rules regarding concussion management, including the requirement that players with brain injuries not return to the same game or practice, and that they be cleared by independent experts, rather than team doctors. The three leaders of the league’s concussion committee resigned and were replaced by two neurosurgeons who vowed to chart a new course for research.

The N.F.L. is working with the union and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on an information brochure on concussions that is worded far more strongly than the one given to the players since 2007.

“We have to educate the players,” Morey said. “The players have to have the ability to have informed consent.”

 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.

so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
The article below strongly supports your point about Chris Henry's death, Sammy. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/f...ll/29henry.html

Former Bengal Henry Found to Have Had Brain Damage

By ALAN SCHWARZ

Published: June 28, 2010

Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals receiver who died during a domestic dispute last December, has been identified by experts as the first player to have died with trauma-induced brain damage while still active in the N.F.L.

Dr. Julian Bailes and Dr. Bennet Omalu of the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University announced on Monday that Henry, 26, had developed chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the progressive brain disease whose recent discovery in some retired N.F.L. players has raised questions of football’s long-term safety risks.

The 22nd professional football player to be given a diagnosis of C.T.E., Henry is the first to have died with the disease while active after 2007, when prior C.T.E. findings prompted the N.F.L. to begin strengthening rules regarding concussion management. The fact that he developed the condition by his mid-20s — the youngest previous C.T.E. case was the lineman Justin Strzelczyk, 36, who had been retired from the Pittsburgh Steelers for five years before his death in 2004 — raises questions of how many current N.F.L. players might have the condition without knowing it.

“As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound,” said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. “I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this.”

In a statement, a co-chairman of the league’s head, neck and spine medical committee, Dr. Hunt Batjer, said, “Our committee has and will continue to address all issues relative to head injuries in current players.”

A message for the union spokesman George Atallah was not returned.

Caused exclusively by brain trauma, C.T.E. cannot be diagnosed in a living person; only microscopic examinations of brain tissue can identify the protein deposits and other abnormalities that mark the disease. So active players who might react to the Henry finding by seeking a test before continuing their careers must make do with unknowns.

“It’s very emotional to hear — it rattles me,” said Sean Morey, a special-teams player now with the Seattle Seahawks, who is a co-chairman of the union’s brain-injury committee. “The fact that this has been found that guys played against last year, an active player, I think it’s sobering. You have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don’t even know about it.”

Like many of the other players found to have had C.T.E. after their deaths, Henry had behavioral problems in his final years that might have been at least partly a result of the disease, which is linked to depression, poor decision-making and substance abuse.

He was arrested five times in a 28-month stretch for incidents involving assault, driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana possession. The league suspended him several times for violating its personal-conduct policy.

Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards in the Bengals’ first eight games last season before he broke his arm and was put on injured reserve.

Henry died in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 17 after falling out or jumping out of the back of a pickup truck driven by his fiancée, Loleini Tonga. The head injuries that killed Henry were not related to the C.T.E. finding because the proteins and other changes that mark C.T.E. develop only over time, Bailes said.

Bailes said that he had not found evidence in news reports that Henry had sustained any diagnosed concussions during his N.F.L. career, and that he would soon make a request for related information from the Bengals. Bailes said he did know that Henry had not reported any concussions during his two seasons at West Virginia, because Bailes also serves as a Mountaineers team physician and had access to those records.

Bailes said he planned to speak with Henry’s family members to learn if he had sustained any notable hits or head injuries at Belle Chasse High School just outside New Orleans.

“I don’t want to imply that this is an N.F.L.-only phenomenon,” said Bailes, who wondered if problems are set up “while the brain is young and vulnerable, and it sustains an injury.”

He added: “Players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play and you think it’s exposure based. Now with Chris Henry being so young, we have to rethink that.”

Near the end of last season, the N.F.L. strengthened several rules regarding concussion management, including the requirement that players with brain injuries not return to the same game or practice, and that they be cleared by independent experts, rather than team doctors. The three leaders of the league’s concussion committee resigned and were replaced by two neurosurgeons who vowed to chart a new course for research.

The N.F.L. is working with the union and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on an information brochure on concussions that is worded far more strongly than the one given to the players since 2007.

“We have to educate the players,” Morey said. “The players have to have the ability to have informed consent.”
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.

so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
The article below strongly supports your point about Chris Henry's death, Sammy. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/f...ll/29henry.html

Former Bengal Henry Found to Have Had Brain Damage

By ALAN SCHWARZ

Published: June 28, 2010

Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals receiver who died during a domestic dispute last December, has been identified by experts as the first player to have died with trauma-induced brain damage while still active in the N.F.L.

Dr. Julian Bailes and Dr. Bennet Omalu of the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University announced on Monday that Henry, 26, had developed chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the progressive brain disease whose recent discovery in some retired N.F.L. players has raised questions of football’s long-term safety risks.

The 22nd professional football player to be given a diagnosis of C.T.E., Henry is the first to have died with the disease while active after 2007, when prior C.T.E. findings prompted the N.F.L. to begin strengthening rules regarding concussion management. The fact that he developed the condition by his mid-20s — the youngest previous C.T.E. case was the lineman Justin Strzelczyk, 36, who had been retired from the Pittsburgh Steelers for five years before his death in 2004 — raises questions of how many current N.F.L. players might have the condition without knowing it.

“As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound,” said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. “I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this.”

In a statement, a co-chairman of the league’s head, neck and spine medical committee, Dr. Hunt Batjer, said, “Our committee has and will continue to address all issues relative to head injuries in current players.”

A message for the union spokesman George Atallah was not returned.

Caused exclusively by brain trauma, C.T.E. cannot be diagnosed in a living person; only microscopic examinations of brain tissue can identify the protein deposits and other abnormalities that mark the disease. So active players who might react to the Henry finding by seeking a test before continuing their careers must make do with unknowns.

“It’s very emotional to hear — it rattles me,” said Sean Morey, a special-teams player now with the Seattle Seahawks, who is a co-chairman of the union’s brain-injury committee. “The fact that this has been found that guys played against last year, an active player, I think it’s sobering. You have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don’t even know about it.”

Like many of the other players found to have had C.T.E. after their deaths, Henry had behavioral problems in his final years that might have been at least partly a result of the disease, which is linked to depression, poor decision-making and substance abuse.

He was arrested five times in a 28-month stretch for incidents involving assault, driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana possession. The league suspended him several times for violating its personal-conduct policy.

Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards in the Bengals’ first eight games last season before he broke his arm and was put on injured reserve.

Henry died in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 17 after falling out or jumping out of the back of a pickup truck driven by his fiancée, Loleini Tonga. The head injuries that killed Henry were not related to the C.T.E. finding because the proteins and other changes that mark C.T.E. develop only over time, Bailes said.

Bailes said that he had not found evidence in news reports that Henry had sustained any diagnosed concussions during his N.F.L. career, and that he would soon make a request for related information from the Bengals. Bailes said he did know that Henry had not reported any concussions during his two seasons at West Virginia, because Bailes also serves as a Mountaineers team physician and had access to those records.

Bailes said he planned to speak with Henry’s family members to learn if he had sustained any notable hits or head injuries at Belle Chasse High School just outside New Orleans.

“I don’t want to imply that this is an N.F.L.-only phenomenon,” said Bailes, who wondered if problems are set up “while the brain is young and vulnerable, and it sustains an injury.”

He added: “Players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play and you think it’s exposure based. Now with Chris Henry being so young, we have to rethink that.”

Near the end of last season, the N.F.L. strengthened several rules regarding concussion management, including the requirement that players with brain injuries not return to the same game or practice, and that they be cleared by independent experts, rather than team doctors. The three leaders of the league’s concussion committee resigned and were replaced by two neurosurgeons who vowed to chart a new course for research.

The N.F.L. is working with the union and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on an information brochure on concussions that is worded far more strongly than the one given to the players since 2007.

“We have to educate the players,” Morey said. “The players have to have the ability to have informed consent.”
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
 
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.

so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
The article below strongly supports your point about Chris Henry's death, Sammy. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/f...ll/29henry.html

Former Bengal Henry Found to Have Had Brain Damage

By ALAN SCHWARZ

Published: June 28, 2010

Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals receiver who died during a domestic dispute last December, has been identified by experts as the first player to have died with trauma-induced brain damage while still active in the N.F.L.

Dr. Julian Bailes and Dr. Bennet Omalu of the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University announced on Monday that Henry, 26, had developed chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the progressive brain disease whose recent discovery in some retired N.F.L. players has raised questions of football’s long-term safety risks.

The 22nd professional football player to be given a diagnosis of C.T.E., Henry is the first to have died with the disease while active after 2007, when prior C.T.E. findings prompted the N.F.L. to begin strengthening rules regarding concussion management. The fact that he developed the condition by his mid-20s — the youngest previous C.T.E. case was the lineman Justin Strzelczyk, 36, who had been retired from the Pittsburgh Steelers for five years before his death in 2004 — raises questions of how many current N.F.L. players might have the condition without knowing it.

“As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound,” said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. “I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this.”

In a statement, a co-chairman of the league’s head, neck and spine medical committee, Dr. Hunt Batjer, said, “Our committee has and will continue to address all issues relative to head injuries in current players.”

A message for the union spokesman George Atallah was not returned.

Caused exclusively by brain trauma, C.T.E. cannot be diagnosed in a living person; only microscopic examinations of brain tissue can identify the protein deposits and other abnormalities that mark the disease. So active players who might react to the Henry finding by seeking a test before continuing their careers must make do with unknowns.

“It’s very emotional to hear — it rattles me,” said Sean Morey, a special-teams player now with the Seattle Seahawks, who is a co-chairman of the union’s brain-injury committee. “The fact that this has been found that guys played against last year, an active player, I think it’s sobering. You have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don’t even know about it.”

Like many of the other players found to have had C.T.E. after their deaths, Henry had behavioral problems in his final years that might have been at least partly a result of the disease, which is linked to depression, poor decision-making and substance abuse.

He was arrested five times in a 28-month stretch for incidents involving assault, driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana possession. The league suspended him several times for violating its personal-conduct policy.

Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards in the Bengals’ first eight games last season before he broke his arm and was put on injured reserve.

Henry died in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 17 after falling out or jumping out of the back of a pickup truck driven by his fiancée, Loleini Tonga. The head injuries that killed Henry were not related to the C.T.E. finding because the proteins and other changes that mark C.T.E. develop only over time, Bailes said.

Bailes said that he had not found evidence in news reports that Henry had sustained any diagnosed concussions during his N.F.L. career, and that he would soon make a request for related information from the Bengals. Bailes said he did know that Henry had not reported any concussions during his two seasons at West Virginia, because Bailes also serves as a Mountaineers team physician and had access to those records.

Bailes said he planned to speak with Henry’s family members to learn if he had sustained any notable hits or head injuries at Belle Chasse High School just outside New Orleans.

“I don’t want to imply that this is an N.F.L.-only phenomenon,” said Bailes, who wondered if problems are set up “while the brain is young and vulnerable, and it sustains an injury.”

He added: “Players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play and you think it’s exposure based. Now with Chris Henry being so young, we have to rethink that.”

Near the end of last season, the N.F.L. strengthened several rules regarding concussion management, including the requirement that players with brain injuries not return to the same game or practice, and that they be cleared by independent experts, rather than team doctors. The three leaders of the league’s concussion committee resigned and were replaced by two neurosurgeons who vowed to chart a new course for research.

The N.F.L. is working with the union and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on an information brochure on concussions that is worded far more strongly than the one given to the players since 2007.

“We have to educate the players,” Morey said. “The players have to have the ability to have informed consent.”
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://deadspin.com/5392883/messing-with-o...-players-lament

Messing With Our Heads: A Former Player's Lament

With the brains of football players now a matter of national concern, writer Michael Oriard, a former Chiefs offensive lineman and a cultural historian, worries about both his own fate and the NFL's.

A few weeks ago I was asked to comment on Carson Palmer's remark that, sooner or later, someone was going to die on a football field. I repeated then what I have figured out over many years of reading and writing about football: that the threat of serious injury has always been fundamental to football's appeal. It makes the players' risks and thus their courage real, their athletic skills immensely more impressive. Each season sees football fatalities, but rarely in the NFL and never on the field due to a blow. The last person to die in an NFL game was Detroit's Chuck Hughes in 1971, but from a heart attack, not a violent collision — coincidentally four days before my Kansas City Chiefs played the Lions on Thanksgiving Day. I still remember the eerie feeling, as I trotted onto the field, knowing that someone had died there just a few days earlier.

Though rare, sudden violent death has always been a possibility in football. Research is now suggesting that the accumulation of little hits can be as dangerous as big ones, with death coming in slow-motion, after years of dementia, rather than suddenly. And everyone who played may be at risk, not just the extreme cases whose grisly stories make for sensational reading.

The occasional tale of a Mike Webster or John Mackey has always grabbed me, but it has also always seemed an extreme case. The recent deluge of reports on the research on the brains of former NFL players feels altogether different. Malcolm Gladwell's comparison of football to dogfighting in The New Yorker didn't jolt me — that bit of melodrama was for rhetorical effect. The grisly accounts of the final days and later autopsies on Webster, Terry Long, Justin Strzelczyk, and more than a dozen others were more jolting, their cumulative effect overwhelming. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), of which I'd never heard until a few weeks ago, suddenly seemed the NFL's version of the Black Death.

But what has really jolted me is the less sensational, more mundane research by Kevin Guskiewicz of the University of North Carolina's sports concussion research program. For those who haven't yet read about it, Guskiewicz and his team fitted sensors in the helmets of UNC players through which they could measure the impact (or g-force) of every blow to the head. The magnitude ranges from small to more than 100 g's, the equivalent of a head hitting a windshield in a 25 mph collision (without a seatbelt). Even in practices without full pads players received blows with g-forces in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. A typical lineman suffered 31 blows during one day of training camp (I'm guessing that that meant two practices). A similar study at the University of Oklahoma determined that linemen experience blows of 20-30 g's on every routine play. And they add up: one neurologist reports that Mike Webster, the first of the former players to be diagnosed with CTE, "endured probably 25,000 violent collisions during his career."

I've been reading these reports less as someone who has been writing about football for many years than as someone, 61 years old, who played a lot of football a long time ago. And as the father of a son who has played more recently. The research on the later consequences of early head trauma raises the possibility that my son and I, too, might have tiny bombs planted in our brains with fuses of indeterminate length.

* * *

That's overly melodramatic, too, and I have not been brooding over my future and my son's ever since I encountered Guskiewicz's research. But I have been thinking about things that I thought I knew but now know in new ways.

As I've suggested, I don't believe that I am seriously at risk. I sometimes find myself walking downstairs, only to discover that I've forgotten why I was going, but so do my friends who never played football. We laugh about these "brain farts" as we laugh about our prostate exams and sigmoidoscopies, the routine indignities of getting old. Not the early signs of dementia. But reading about the new research has me sorting through my football memories like a lapsed Catholic returning to the confessional after 40 years. Let's see, I was never a starter in the NFL, only a backup center and special teams player, and I didn't play like a wild man on the "suicide squad." (I was attending grad school at Stanford in the offseasons, after all, not hanging on in the NFL until they had to carry me off the field.) I cannot recall a single diagnosed concussion, but I vividly remember a forearm to my head from Atlanta's Tommy Nobis on a kickoff ... and my head-rattling tackle of a Bronco kick returner on another one ... and, oh yeah, the Bengals' Mike Reid really rang my bell in a practice before the College All-Star Game in 1970 ...

I also have to remember that little hits add up, too, and the brain doesn't discriminate between hits in practice and hits in games. Mike Webster suffered 25,000 hits? My total would be a whole lot smaller. But if I figure 10 games and 30 full-contact practices for each of four college seasons, 20 games and 40 contract practices for each of five seasons as a pro, plus 20 days each spring in college and 20 days in training camp for all nine seasons, that's a conservative estimate of 700 days of contact. Add another 60 days for each of four seasons in high school, and the total comes to about 840 days of contact football. How many hits each day? If I estimate, very conservatively, even 10, the total would be 8,400 (of varying g-force). Not 25,000 but still a lot.

I'm guessing that a lot of former NFL players are running similar calculations these days. Based on how I feel today, I think I'm okay, maybe in part because I have a long neck, wholly unsuitable for an offensive lineman, that perhaps ironically protected my brain. I suffered a pinched nerve in the spring game my junior year at Notre Dame, and for the next six seasons I had to be careful not to use my head recklessly to avoid recurrences. I experienced maybe a dozen "stingers" every week anyway, but now I wonder if those meant the force of the blow was being conducted to my cervical spine, rather than to my cranium.

My physical legacy from 18 years of tackle football is a messed-up spine: disk protrusion, spinal stenosis, degenerative disc and facet disease, etc., in both the cervical and lumbar regions. I have extended bouts of sciatic-nerve pain on my right side and femoral-nerve pain on my left, and pain and numbness from neck down my right shoulder and arm. Surgery is in my future, but for now I'm managing my issues with lots of stretching, exercise and staying fit. If my inconveniently long neck was indeed a shock absorber for blows to my head, I count myself lucky. I'll take my spine over a damaged brain any day.

Linemen of my generation were smaller, 255 to 280 pounds or so, not 300 to 340 (I played center at 242, medium size for a quarterback today). When the rules for pass-blocking changed in 1978, allowing offensive linemen to extend their arms and open their hands, linemen began growing larger, as sheer bulk and upper-body strength became assets. Linemen of my generation blocked more with our heads, but linemen of the following generations have been bigger and stronger, their collisions more violent. I wonder if younger NFL retirees will prove to be more afflicted with CTE than players of my generation.

* * *

As a father, rather than a former player, the research suggesting that football can do long-term damage to even high school players is particularly chilling. My younger son, who played football, proved to be susceptible to concussions, getting more or less one per season from about the sixth grade through high school. Lots of parents know the routine: I would awaken him every few hours through the night to ask him his address and phone number, then let him fall back asleep after he delivered the correct answer. Fortunately, he never played for a coach who tried to get him back onto the field before our doctor had cleared him. His mother and I are not obsessing about the possibilities of long-term effects, but given parents' unlimited capacity to worry about our children, that would change the moment he started complaining about headaches.

For now, I'm grateful that I did not face a decision whether to tell my son that he could no longer play football after receiving, say, his second concussion. I know from my own youthful experience and from watching my son and his teammates, as well as from my reading, that football can provide self-validation for boys and adolescents. Whether the needs it serves are biological or social and cultural, football's power derives at least in part from the fact that it is "rough." I've long thought that younger brothers (like both my son and me) were particularly drawn to football as kids; and I've seen in my own community that some of the smallest boys in their classes are among those who switch from soccer to football in the fifth grade, when football starts. Through high school, football can be a useful puberty- and testosterone-management tool.

My son is now 25; the issue is no longer our family matter. (And I don't even want to think about the circumstances that would make me wish I had known when he was in the sixth or seventh grade what we are now learning about concussions.) What do today's younger parents with sons who want to play football do with the knowledge that numerous small blows can have dangerous cumulative effects? If I can presume for a moment to speak for conscientious parents in general, we know that we cannot protect our kids from every possible danger, nor do we want to keep them from all risk-taking or prevent them from becoming self-sufficient. But we do want to protect them from foolish, unnecessary and excessive risks. Will it one day make as much sense to keep your son away from football as it does to strap your toddler into a car seat? For now, the degree and magnitude of the risks from youth football are still uncertain. But the more we learn from researchers, the riskier it seems.

I have no reason to be angry. I have no reason to feel betrayed. I'm not inclined in general to play "what if" with my past, or to brood on what's happened as if I could still change it. In any case, I have no symptoms of cognitive impairment. I'm not inclined to headaches, and my memory lapses seem normal for my age. Because I played too few years to qualify for an NFL pension, I have no history in retirement with the NFL or the NFLPA, let alone a history of denied benefits to which I feel entitled.

But I feel enormous sadness for teammates and other former NFL players who are not as fortunate as I still appear to be. And the future of football seems uncertain right now. The Congressional hearing on brain damage to NFL players will not resolve the crucial questions about just how dangerous football is. For now, parents have more reasons than ever to be wary of letting their sons play football. And the NFL has to worry not only about potential liability for the disabilities of former players, but also about the game's future. One of Roger Goodell's worst nightmares has to be the possibility that football will come to be regarded as boxing is today: a potential and very violent path to celebrity and wealth that only the most economically desperate would consider and that the vast majority of Americans find unpalatable.

We need much more research — on large number of former players, over a long period of time — to know just how dangerous football is to the human brain. Knowing the answer might be a blow not only to the NFL but to all lovers of football. But continuing to not know might be considerably more painful for those who play the game.

Michael Oriard is a professor of English and associate dean at Oregon State University, and the author of several books on football, including Bowled Over: Big-Time College Football from the Sixties to the BCS Era, just published by the University of North Carolina Press. He played football at Notre Dame in the late 1960s and for the Kansas City Chiefs in the early 1970s.

The author of this post can be contacted at tips@deadspin.com

 
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NinerFan49 said:
Steelfan7 said:
NinerFan49 said:
Sammy Traveller said:
I can't remember the NFL announcing any sort of rule change during a season, much less one as reactionary and rushed as this. I don't believe the competition committee was even consulted. Then I remembered the collective bargaining agreement and the league's desire for an 18-game schedule. All of a sudden it became obvious to me that the league and owners saw big problems with their leveraging power in negotiations for an 18-game schedule if concussions keep up at the current rate. So they preemptively try to cut off the that argument by enacting this rushed and seemingly shortly contemplated rule change. Only explanation I can come up with for the unorthodox manner that this change came about. Just thought this was an interesting angle to view things from and wanted it in a separate thread.

when the health and the lives of players are at issue, then I have no problem with this being rushed.

so I was a little bit too direct and implied that Chris Henry died from playing football. Apologies. But as many of you know, an autopsy revealed multiple traumas to his brain, some of them from before the NFL, that may explain some of his behavior during his last years. So it was more an issue of health than about someone's life. But it's a valid point to be made that when it comes to the health of a player, it has a potential impact on the quality of life and thus life expectancy.

so I have no problem with rushing through something mid-season, i.e. ejections and suspensions whereas earlier it would have been fines.
The article below strongly supports your point about Chris Henry's death, Sammy. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/sports/f...ll/29henry.html

Former Bengal Henry Found to Have Had Brain Damage

By ALAN SCHWARZ

Published: June 28, 2010

Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals receiver who died during a domestic dispute last December, has been identified by experts as the first player to have died with trauma-induced brain damage while still active in the N.F.L.

Dr. Julian Bailes and Dr. Bennet Omalu of the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University announced on Monday that Henry, 26, had developed chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the progressive brain disease whose recent discovery in some retired N.F.L. players has raised questions of football’s long-term safety risks.

The 22nd professional football player to be given a diagnosis of C.T.E., Henry is the first to have died with the disease while active after 2007, when prior C.T.E. findings prompted the N.F.L. to begin strengthening rules regarding concussion management. The fact that he developed the condition by his mid-20s — the youngest previous C.T.E. case was the lineman Justin Strzelczyk, 36, who had been retired from the Pittsburgh Steelers for five years before his death in 2004 — raises questions of how many current N.F.L. players might have the condition without knowing it.

“As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound,” said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. “I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this.”

In a statement, a co-chairman of the league’s head, neck and spine medical committee, Dr. Hunt Batjer, said, “Our committee has and will continue to address all issues relative to head injuries in current players.”

A message for the union spokesman George Atallah was not returned.

Caused exclusively by brain trauma, C.T.E. cannot be diagnosed in a living person; only microscopic examinations of brain tissue can identify the protein deposits and other abnormalities that mark the disease. So active players who might react to the Henry finding by seeking a test before continuing their careers must make do with unknowns.

“It’s very emotional to hear — it rattles me,” said Sean Morey, a special-teams player now with the Seattle Seahawks, who is a co-chairman of the union’s brain-injury committee. “The fact that this has been found that guys played against last year, an active player, I think it’s sobering. You have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don’t even know about it.”

Like many of the other players found to have had C.T.E. after their deaths, Henry had behavioral problems in his final years that might have been at least partly a result of the disease, which is linked to depression, poor decision-making and substance abuse.

He was arrested five times in a 28-month stretch for incidents involving assault, driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana possession. The league suspended him several times for violating its personal-conduct policy.

Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards in the Bengals’ first eight games last season before he broke his arm and was put on injured reserve.

Henry died in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 17 after falling out or jumping out of the back of a pickup truck driven by his fiancée, Loleini Tonga. The head injuries that killed Henry were not related to the C.T.E. finding because the proteins and other changes that mark C.T.E. develop only over time, Bailes said.

Bailes said that he had not found evidence in news reports that Henry had sustained any diagnosed concussions during his N.F.L. career, and that he would soon make a request for related information from the Bengals. Bailes said he did know that Henry had not reported any concussions during his two seasons at West Virginia, because Bailes also serves as a Mountaineers team physician and had access to those records.

Bailes said he planned to speak with Henry’s family members to learn if he had sustained any notable hits or head injuries at Belle Chasse High School just outside New Orleans.

“I don’t want to imply that this is an N.F.L.-only phenomenon,” said Bailes, who wondered if problems are set up “while the brain is young and vulnerable, and it sustains an injury.”

He added: “Players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play and you think it’s exposure based. Now with Chris Henry being so young, we have to rethink that.”

Near the end of last season, the N.F.L. strengthened several rules regarding concussion management, including the requirement that players with brain injuries not return to the same game or practice, and that they be cleared by independent experts, rather than team doctors. The three leaders of the league’s concussion committee resigned and were replaced by two neurosurgeons who vowed to chart a new course for research.

The N.F.L. is working with the union and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on an information brochure on concussions that is worded far more strongly than the one given to the players since 2007.

“We have to educate the players,” Morey said. “The players have to have the ability to have informed consent.”
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=125856098

Ralph Wenzel played guard in the NFL from 1966 to 1973. For the past 10 years his wife, Eleanor Perfetto, has watched him slip into dementia. Today, at 67, Wenzel can no longer dress, bathe or feed himself. He spends his days in an assisted-living facility in Maryland. Perfetto blames her husband's current state on repeated head injuries from playing pro football. She is the first to file a workers' compensation claim with the NFL for dementia resulting from injuries on the field. Also hear from Brent Boyd, a former offensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings, who was diagnosed with dementia four years ago, at age 49.

Copyright © 2010 National Public Radio®.

MICHEL MARTIN, host:

I'm Michel Martin and this is TELL ME MORE from NPR News.

In a few minutes I'll give you my take on what should have been one of the stories at this weekend's Masters tournament.

But, first, we want to talk about a health story that has recently made it from the sports pages to the front pages. Most of us are familiar with the workers compensation battles that have been waged over asbestos exposure or carpal tunnel syndrome. These cases have led to changes in workplaces across the country. Now one of the latest workers comp claims to be filed could have major implications for a different kind of workplace: the gridiron.

This month Eleanor Perfetto filed a worker's compensation claim with the National Football League. It's on behalf of her husband, retired offensive lineman Ralph Wenzel. Mr. Wenzel's dementia is now so advanced, that he is unable to feed, bathe or clothe himself. His wife believes his current state is the result of the repeated blows he experienced on the field during his eight-season career with the league.



Her claim is backed up by a growing number of researchers. Here is Dr. Robert Cantu, neuroscientist and clinical professor at Boston University testifying before Congress last October.

Dr. ROBERT CANTU (Neuroscientist, Boston University): Over the past several years, there has been growing and convincing evidence that repetitive concussive and sub-concussive blows to the head in NFL players lead to a progressive neuro-generative brain disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy, CTE.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto joins us now in our studios in Washington to talk more about this. Thank you so much for joining us.

Ms. ELEANOR PERFETTO: Thank you, Michel.

MARTIN: Also with us from Reno, Nevada, is Brent Boyd. From 1980 to 1986, he was an offensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings. He went on to found the organization Dignity After Football, which advocates on behalf of retired NFL players suffering from memory and cognitive diseases. Brent, thank you so much for joining us as well.

Mr. BRENT BOYD (Founder, Dignity After Football): It's on honor to be on your show, Michel.

MARTIN: And I should mention that we did ask a representative from the NFL to join us. They declined, and we'll have a statement from them on our Web site. But, first, Eleanor, tell us about Ralph Wenzel. He played for the NFL in the late '60s and early '70s. He played for the Steelers, the Chargers and the Cardinals. Brent, this was the same position you played. So, Eleanor, tell us when you started to think that something was wrong.

Ms. PERFETTO: Sure. You know, Michel, Ralph was first diagnosed in 1999 with mild cognitive impairment. And so that was kind of the beginning of the medical component of this for us. But his symptoms were noticeable to me in a more sporadic way, probably beginning around '95 or '96. He was losing things. You know, back in the '90s we used to carry checkbooks and he would lose his all the time. Losing wallets, losing all kinds of things.

He just was very he became very disorganized, very scattered. And the problem was growing. I was seeing more and more of it. The first time that we went to the neurologist's office and had a discussion with the neurologist, he really surprised me because the neurologist asked him when was the first time he ever thought something might be wrong. And he went back as far as 1994. Ralph was a football coach at the Sidwell Friends School here in D.C. And he loved that job and he loved the kids there.

And he told the neurologist a story about how sometimes he would start his practices off with, kids, today we're going to learn X - whatever that might be, a play or whatever - and they would say, well, coach, you taught that to us yesterday. And he'd say, well, if I taught it to you yesterday, tell me exactly what it was I told you. And they would verbatim tell him exactly, and he had no recollection of having taught them that same thing the day before.

MARTIN: And why did you think it was football? And not perhaps just his personality or some other underlying issue.

Ms. PERFETTO: Well, you know, it was the meeting with the neurologist that day and he asked Ralph about concussions. In 1999 there was knowledge about concussions. There wasn't the kind of knowledge there is today about sub-concussive blows to the head, but there was some knowledge about concussions and the doctors said to him: Ralph, have you ever had a concussion playing football? And he said, you played football, so did it ever happened to you? And Ralph said, too many times to even say. I don't even know how many times, yes.

MARTIN: So, Brent, can you tell us a little bit more about what it takes to be an offensive lineman and what happens to your body. This is the same position that you played for six years for the Minnesota Vikings. Just tell us a little bit about what's your day at the office?

Mr. BOYD: Well, first of all I want to say hi to Dr. Perfetto.

Ms. PERFETTO: Hi, Brent.

Mr. BOYD: It's an honor to be on with you. You're one of our heroes - our heroines of the effort. And thank you very much. Offensive linemen, by nature, we - every play, we lead with our head, and there's no way to regulate against it. You got to block and you got to hit with your head first. In addition to that, Ralph and I played in era where we were guinea pigs for the NFL with a new product called Astro Turf, which was, at the time - you know, now they've got a good substitute for grass - field turf. But original Astro Turf was literally concrete or asphalt underneath, no carpet padding and a quarter inch green decorative layer of plastic so the fans thought it was, you know, grass.

So I think I've suffered over 100 concussions, and 80-90 percent of them didn't involve hitting another person at all. It involved after a play you fall down or fall backwards, hit your head first and you're knocked out. But the problem is in the NFL, they never used the word concussion.

MARTIN: What did they say? What did they call it?

Mr. BOYD: You got your bell rung.

MARTIN: They say you got your bell rung.

Mr. BOYD: You got your bell rung. The word concussion never came up in relation to football. And they treated it like you hit your funny bone. You know, it would hurt like heck for a little bit, but it would wear off, and we were told there would be no lasting, lingering effects.

MARTIN: You were told this explicitly?

Mr. BOYD: Yes.

MARTIN: Now, four years ago, you were diagnosed, if you don't mind my sharing this with...

Mr. BOYD: Please do.

MARTIN: ...with the early stages of Alzheimer's and dementia. And you've been -you're using medication. Do you remember when you received that diagnosis and how it made you feel?

Mr. BOYD: Well, I do. I'm only 53 years old right now, so the diagnosis came age 49. And even I knew that was an unusual diagnosis for somebody in their 40s.

MARTIN: What are you looking at? What are you thinking of?

Mr. BOYD: And the worst part was that it took...

MARTIN: I wanted to ask what do you think you're - yeah, what's the worst part?

Mr. BOYD: It took 20 years to get to the point of diagnosis of a concussion. My first concussion was my rookie year in 1980. I retired in '86, '87, and it wasn't till 2000 that somebody sent me to a neurologist. So I spent 20 years -prior to my concussions, I was a real high-motor, self-starting kind of guy. I was straight A's. I graduated with honors from UCLA. I was a high draft choice, hardly an indication of a lazy guy.

But following the concussions, I was very lethargic, and despite my academic success, I had to give up law school and I got to the point where I was like selling beer and insurance. And not that there's anything wrong with those. They're honorable professions, but I couldn't keep those jobs because I would have to pull over on the side of the road and take a nap. I have vertigo. That goes along with my concussions and loss of energy. So I couldn't make the sales calls.

MARTIN: Wow. If you're just...

Mr. BOYD: So, I'm...

MARTIN: Just let me jump in briefly to say, if you're just joining us, you're listening to TELL ME MORE from NPR News. We're talking about a recent worker's compensation claim filed with the NFL, and our guests are Eleanor Perfetto. She's the wife of former player Ralph Wenzel. She filed the claim. Also with us is Brent Boyd, a former player himself and the founder of the organization Dignity After Football.

Brent, I just wanted to let you...

Mr. BOYD: .org.

MARTIN: .org. and you've received - well, memory's not that bad then.

(Soundbite of laughter)

MARTIN: You've received more than a thousand letters from retired NFL players on this issue. And it just seems like this issue, Eleanor, is finally getting attention from lawmakers...

Dr. PERFETTO: Yes. Yeah.

MARTIN: ...and from policymakers. I want to mention, we invited, as I said, the NFL to participate in this conversation. They've declined. But they did tell us through a spokesperson that they are working on addressing the issue, and they highlighted a program started in 2007 called the 88 Plan, where they'll pay $88,000 a year for the medical care of any retired NFL player diagnosed with dementia. And Eleanor, does that help? Is that...

Dr. PERFETTO: Yes. My husband Ralph was one of the first recipients of the 88 Plan, and it is a step in the right direction. It is an effort that they put together. At the time, the NFL was denying that there was a relationship between head trauma and the neurological deficits that happened to some of these players. They've changed that now.

When they instituted the 88 Plan, they said it was for all players with dementia, regardless of the cause. It does help. However, it's something that kicks in once someone's been diagnosed and they're pretty severely ill. It's -not all players are eligible. You have to be a vested player in the NFL to be considered for the 88 Plan. So there are still some holes in the system, and that's part of what's bothering me, are the holes in the system because I can tell you that between when my husband became eligible for the 88 Plan in 2007 and when all of this started in 1994, '95, '96, that's a large gap in time, and there are people out there who are now in that gap who need help.

MARTIN: Brent, can I ask you - you know, it's a tough question. But do you think if you knew then what you know now, whether you still would've pursued professional football as a career?

Mr. BOYD: Absolutely not.

MARTIN: Because athletes in extreme sports take all kinds of risks to play. You don't think...

Mr. BOYD: No.

MARTIN: You would not. Mm-hmm.

Mr. BOYD: No. The risks that we were aware of I was willing to take. I knew that my knees would probably get beat up and my shoulders or something. But nobody ever mentioned that we'd lose our character, our personality our, you know, our mind. It totally changes your life. I had knee replacements and bad hips and all that. I can live with that, but it's a totally different thing when it's your mind and you're not able to do, you know, what you set out to dream to do and you're not able to do anything really, except for lay down and sleep most of the day.

MARTIN: Just like tobacco companies are required now to put stickers on their packages advertising the dangers of smoking, do you think that there should be some sort of broad, overall warning that explicitly says this is what you're likely to face if you go down this path? Do you think contracts, for example, should stipulate that? What do you think?

Mr. BOYD: Well, you know, the media calls me the father of this new awareness in the past few years about concussions regarding the younger players. There was discussions before I came along about postmortem or when the players had reached the age and stage of dementia, but nobody was mentioning what happened to players when they suffered concussions. And then they still had their lives and marriages and kids and careers and everything to go on, and they didn't have the tools to cope with it because the concussions stole it from them.

I don't know how you warn against that. I think all parents listening who have kids need to be aware of a fact this isn't just a boy's football problem. Recent studies show - you had Dr. Cantu on earlier, he ran a study that showed any sport, so high school and down, that girl's soccer has a higher incidence of concussions than does boy's high school football. So if you're a parent, boy or a girl, you need to be aware of the dangers of concussions and make an educated decision whether you want your child to play a sport.

MARTIN: Eleanor, I'm going to give you the final word on this conversation, in which I think is probably going to be an ongoing one.

Dr. PERFETTO: Oh, I think so.

MARTIN: What is your final word for us about this? Do you think that - is there any way to make this a safer sport? Should we even try?

Dr. PERFETTO: You know, there's a group up in Boston that's at the Sports Legacy Institute in Boston University, and they've come up with some principals for trying to make the sport safer so that children can play and be safer because, you know, it is a $9 billion industry. I really don't think that it's going to disappear overnight, and there are too many fans out there. So if we can follow those principals to make the sport safer, that's fine. I do encourage mothers and parents to become more knowledgeable about the training that the coach has, the training that the trainers have.

All the parents that are involved should know and understand that there are programs now to assess concussions after a child's been injured and to make decisions about when they get back in a game and when they don't get back in a game. So I think, you know, all of those things can make the sport safer. But I challenge these guys who are out there making millions of dollars who say I'll take the risk. Come spend a day with me and let me show you what the risk really looks like for the last 10 to 20 years of your life.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto...

Mr. BOYD: And Ralph wasn't anywhere close to making a million dollars so.

Dr. PERFETTO: Thanks right.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto...

Mr. BOYD: And people, they think all ex-players are millionaires.

MARTIN: We have to let you go.

Mr. BOYD: No, we pick the single thousands.

MARTIN: We have to let it go for now, Brent. Thank you for this.

Eleanor Perfetto is wife of former NFL offensive lineman Ralph Wenzel. She joined us at our studios in Washington. And Brent Boyd played for the Minnesota Vikings from 1980 to 1986 and founded the organization Dignity After Football. He joined us from NPR member station KUNR in Reno, Nevada.

Thank you both.

 
two_dollars said:
NinerFan49 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1...rly.html?cat=14

Former NFL Player Ted Johnson Has Early Signs of Alzheimer's Disease

During his first interview in nearly two years, Johnson has shed his tough guy image that helped make him one of the National Football League's top linebackers. Johnson has decided to publicly admit that he is scared, anxious and worried about his future. Johnson had to retire from the game of football due to suffering multiple concussions on the football field. His last two concussions happened to be his most severe and have led to the former player suffering memory loss on a daily basis.



Ted Johnson is now 34 years old. He played the majority of his football career with the New England Patriots. Johnson helped lead the team to several championships and became respected by many players around the league. His career was cut short due to suffering two concussions during the 2004 football season. He was not fully recovered from his first concussion and was nervous about stepping back on the football field. Patriots coach Bill Belichick had Johnson practice on the field even though it was known that a second concussion could severely injury the player for life. It was during that practice that Johnson suffered his second concussion that ended his career.

It was obvious that Johnson was very upset when the incident first occurred. He blamed Belichick for playing God with his life. Two years later, he seems to have forgiven Belichick and realized that nobody can be truly blamed for what happened. In an interview with ESPN.com, Johnson opened up about his recent struggles with memory loss and his realization that no one is to blame for what happened to him.

"I don't want to place blame anywhere. It probably could all go around to a little bit of everybody. I can't honestly sit here and say Bill Belichick knew what second-impact syndrome was."

The reason Johnson has decided to speak up now, two years after the incident, is because of a story that he read in the New York Times about a former football player. He read about Andre Waters, a former NFL defensive back who shot himself to death in November. The player's brain was studied and noted that he had the brain of an 80 year-old man. This was because of the multiple concussions he suffered on the football field that led to the same type of memory loss that Johnson is struggling with.

Johnson is worried about his future because of what doctor's have recently discovered. They have discovered signs of Alzheimer's disease in the player. Doctors have decided that the damage was a direct result of his football career. Johnson wanted to speak out to let others know the dangers of multiple concussions and that it is never to early to call it quits.

 
two_dollars said:
NinerFan49 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=125856098

Ralph Wenzel played guard in the NFL from 1966 to 1973. For the past 10 years his wife, Eleanor Perfetto, has watched him slip into dementia. Today, at 67, Wenzel can no longer dress, bathe or feed himself. He spends his days in an assisted-living facility in Maryland. Perfetto blames her husband's current state on repeated head injuries from playing pro football. She is the first to file a workers' compensation claim with the NFL for dementia resulting from injuries on the field. Also hear from Brent Boyd, a former offensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings, who was diagnosed with dementia four years ago, at age 49.

Copyright © 2010 National Public Radio®.

MICHEL MARTIN, host:

I'm Michel Martin and this is TELL ME MORE from NPR News.

In a few minutes I'll give you my take on what should have been one of the stories at this weekend's Masters tournament.

But, first, we want to talk about a health story that has recently made it from the sports pages to the front pages. Most of us are familiar with the workers compensation battles that have been waged over asbestos exposure or carpal tunnel syndrome. These cases have led to changes in workplaces across the country. Now one of the latest workers comp claims to be filed could have major implications for a different kind of workplace: the gridiron.

This month Eleanor Perfetto filed a worker's compensation claim with the National Football League. It's on behalf of her husband, retired offensive lineman Ralph Wenzel. Mr. Wenzel's dementia is now so advanced, that he is unable to feed, bathe or clothe himself. His wife believes his current state is the result of the repeated blows he experienced on the field during his eight-season career with the league.



Her claim is backed up by a growing number of researchers. Here is Dr. Robert Cantu, neuroscientist and clinical professor at Boston University testifying before Congress last October.

Dr. ROBERT CANTU (Neuroscientist, Boston University): Over the past several years, there has been growing and convincing evidence that repetitive concussive and sub-concussive blows to the head in NFL players lead to a progressive neuro-generative brain disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy, CTE.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto joins us now in our studios in Washington to talk more about this. Thank you so much for joining us.

Ms. ELEANOR PERFETTO: Thank you, Michel.

MARTIN: Also with us from Reno, Nevada, is Brent Boyd. From 1980 to 1986, he was an offensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings. He went on to found the organization Dignity After Football, which advocates on behalf of retired NFL players suffering from memory and cognitive diseases. Brent, thank you so much for joining us as well.

Mr. BRENT BOYD (Founder, Dignity After Football): It's on honor to be on your show, Michel.

MARTIN: And I should mention that we did ask a representative from the NFL to join us. They declined, and we'll have a statement from them on our Web site. But, first, Eleanor, tell us about Ralph Wenzel. He played for the NFL in the late '60s and early '70s. He played for the Steelers, the Chargers and the Cardinals. Brent, this was the same position you played. So, Eleanor, tell us when you started to think that something was wrong.

Ms. PERFETTO: Sure. You know, Michel, Ralph was first diagnosed in 1999 with mild cognitive impairment. And so that was kind of the beginning of the medical component of this for us. But his symptoms were noticeable to me in a more sporadic way, probably beginning around '95 or '96. He was losing things. You know, back in the '90s we used to carry checkbooks and he would lose his all the time. Losing wallets, losing all kinds of things.

He just was very he became very disorganized, very scattered. And the problem was growing. I was seeing more and more of it. The first time that we went to the neurologist's office and had a discussion with the neurologist, he really surprised me because the neurologist asked him when was the first time he ever thought something might be wrong. And he went back as far as 1994. Ralph was a football coach at the Sidwell Friends School here in D.C. And he loved that job and he loved the kids there.

And he told the neurologist a story about how sometimes he would start his practices off with, kids, today we're going to learn X - whatever that might be, a play or whatever - and they would say, well, coach, you taught that to us yesterday. And he'd say, well, if I taught it to you yesterday, tell me exactly what it was I told you. And they would verbatim tell him exactly, and he had no recollection of having taught them that same thing the day before.

MARTIN: And why did you think it was football? And not perhaps just his personality or some other underlying issue.

Ms. PERFETTO: Well, you know, it was the meeting with the neurologist that day and he asked Ralph about concussions. In 1999 there was knowledge about concussions. There wasn't the kind of knowledge there is today about sub-concussive blows to the head, but there was some knowledge about concussions and the doctors said to him: Ralph, have you ever had a concussion playing football? And he said, you played football, so did it ever happened to you? And Ralph said, too many times to even say. I don't even know how many times, yes.

MARTIN: So, Brent, can you tell us a little bit more about what it takes to be an offensive lineman and what happens to your body. This is the same position that you played for six years for the Minnesota Vikings. Just tell us a little bit about what's your day at the office?

Mr. BOYD: Well, first of all I want to say hi to Dr. Perfetto.

Ms. PERFETTO: Hi, Brent.

Mr. BOYD: It's an honor to be on with you. You're one of our heroes - our heroines of the effort. And thank you very much. Offensive linemen, by nature, we - every play, we lead with our head, and there's no way to regulate against it. You got to block and you got to hit with your head first. In addition to that, Ralph and I played in era where we were guinea pigs for the NFL with a new product called Astro Turf, which was, at the time - you know, now they've got a good substitute for grass - field turf. But original Astro Turf was literally concrete or asphalt underneath, no carpet padding and a quarter inch green decorative layer of plastic so the fans thought it was, you know, grass.

So I think I've suffered over 100 concussions, and 80-90 percent of them didn't involve hitting another person at all. It involved after a play you fall down or fall backwards, hit your head first and you're knocked out. But the problem is in the NFL, they never used the word concussion.

MARTIN: What did they say? What did they call it?

Mr. BOYD: You got your bell rung.

MARTIN: They say you got your bell rung.

Mr. BOYD: You got your bell rung. The word concussion never came up in relation to football. And they treated it like you hit your funny bone. You know, it would hurt like heck for a little bit, but it would wear off, and we were told there would be no lasting, lingering effects.

MARTIN: You were told this explicitly?

Mr. BOYD: Yes.

MARTIN: Now, four years ago, you were diagnosed, if you don't mind my sharing this with...

Mr. BOYD: Please do.

MARTIN: ...with the early stages of Alzheimer's and dementia. And you've been -you're using medication. Do you remember when you received that diagnosis and how it made you feel?

Mr. BOYD: Well, I do. I'm only 53 years old right now, so the diagnosis came age 49. And even I knew that was an unusual diagnosis for somebody in their 40s.

MARTIN: What are you looking at? What are you thinking of?

Mr. BOYD: And the worst part was that it took...

MARTIN: I wanted to ask what do you think you're - yeah, what's the worst part?

Mr. BOYD: It took 20 years to get to the point of diagnosis of a concussion. My first concussion was my rookie year in 1980. I retired in '86, '87, and it wasn't till 2000 that somebody sent me to a neurologist. So I spent 20 years -prior to my concussions, I was a real high-motor, self-starting kind of guy. I was straight A's. I graduated with honors from UCLA. I was a high draft choice, hardly an indication of a lazy guy.

But following the concussions, I was very lethargic, and despite my academic success, I had to give up law school and I got to the point where I was like selling beer and insurance. And not that there's anything wrong with those. They're honorable professions, but I couldn't keep those jobs because I would have to pull over on the side of the road and take a nap. I have vertigo. That goes along with my concussions and loss of energy. So I couldn't make the sales calls.

MARTIN: Wow. If you're just...

Mr. BOYD: So, I'm...

MARTIN: Just let me jump in briefly to say, if you're just joining us, you're listening to TELL ME MORE from NPR News. We're talking about a recent worker's compensation claim filed with the NFL, and our guests are Eleanor Perfetto. She's the wife of former player Ralph Wenzel. She filed the claim. Also with us is Brent Boyd, a former player himself and the founder of the organization Dignity After Football.

Brent, I just wanted to let you...

Mr. BOYD: .org.

MARTIN: .org. and you've received - well, memory's not that bad then.

(Soundbite of laughter)

MARTIN: You've received more than a thousand letters from retired NFL players on this issue. And it just seems like this issue, Eleanor, is finally getting attention from lawmakers...

Dr. PERFETTO: Yes. Yeah.

MARTIN: ...and from policymakers. I want to mention, we invited, as I said, the NFL to participate in this conversation. They've declined. But they did tell us through a spokesperson that they are working on addressing the issue, and they highlighted a program started in 2007 called the 88 Plan, where they'll pay $88,000 a year for the medical care of any retired NFL player diagnosed with dementia. And Eleanor, does that help? Is that...

Dr. PERFETTO: Yes. My husband Ralph was one of the first recipients of the 88 Plan, and it is a step in the right direction. It is an effort that they put together. At the time, the NFL was denying that there was a relationship between head trauma and the neurological deficits that happened to some of these players. They've changed that now.

When they instituted the 88 Plan, they said it was for all players with dementia, regardless of the cause. It does help. However, it's something that kicks in once someone's been diagnosed and they're pretty severely ill. It's -not all players are eligible. You have to be a vested player in the NFL to be considered for the 88 Plan. So there are still some holes in the system, and that's part of what's bothering me, are the holes in the system because I can tell you that between when my husband became eligible for the 88 Plan in 2007 and when all of this started in 1994, '95, '96, that's a large gap in time, and there are people out there who are now in that gap who need help.

MARTIN: Brent, can I ask you - you know, it's a tough question. But do you think if you knew then what you know now, whether you still would've pursued professional football as a career?

Mr. BOYD: Absolutely not.

MARTIN: Because athletes in extreme sports take all kinds of risks to play. You don't think...

Mr. BOYD: No.

MARTIN: You would not. Mm-hmm.

Mr. BOYD: No. The risks that we were aware of I was willing to take. I knew that my knees would probably get beat up and my shoulders or something. But nobody ever mentioned that we'd lose our character, our personality our, you know, our mind. It totally changes your life. I had knee replacements and bad hips and all that. I can live with that, but it's a totally different thing when it's your mind and you're not able to do, you know, what you set out to dream to do and you're not able to do anything really, except for lay down and sleep most of the day.

MARTIN: Just like tobacco companies are required now to put stickers on their packages advertising the dangers of smoking, do you think that there should be some sort of broad, overall warning that explicitly says this is what you're likely to face if you go down this path? Do you think contracts, for example, should stipulate that? What do you think?

Mr. BOYD: Well, you know, the media calls me the father of this new awareness in the past few years about concussions regarding the younger players. There was discussions before I came along about postmortem or when the players had reached the age and stage of dementia, but nobody was mentioning what happened to players when they suffered concussions. And then they still had their lives and marriages and kids and careers and everything to go on, and they didn't have the tools to cope with it because the concussions stole it from them.

I don't know how you warn against that. I think all parents listening who have kids need to be aware of a fact this isn't just a boy's football problem. Recent studies show - you had Dr. Cantu on earlier, he ran a study that showed any sport, so high school and down, that girl's soccer has a higher incidence of concussions than does boy's high school football. So if you're a parent, boy or a girl, you need to be aware of the dangers of concussions and make an educated decision whether you want your child to play a sport.

MARTIN: Eleanor, I'm going to give you the final word on this conversation, in which I think is probably going to be an ongoing one.

Dr. PERFETTO: Oh, I think so.

MARTIN: What is your final word for us about this? Do you think that - is there any way to make this a safer sport? Should we even try?

Dr. PERFETTO: You know, there's a group up in Boston that's at the Sports Legacy Institute in Boston University, and they've come up with some principals for trying to make the sport safer so that children can play and be safer because, you know, it is a $9 billion industry. I really don't think that it's going to disappear overnight, and there are too many fans out there. So if we can follow those principals to make the sport safer, that's fine. I do encourage mothers and parents to become more knowledgeable about the training that the coach has, the training that the trainers have.

All the parents that are involved should know and understand that there are programs now to assess concussions after a child's been injured and to make decisions about when they get back in a game and when they don't get back in a game. So I think, you know, all of those things can make the sport safer. But I challenge these guys who are out there making millions of dollars who say I'll take the risk. Come spend a day with me and let me show you what the risk really looks like for the last 10 to 20 years of your life.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto...

Mr. BOYD: And Ralph wasn't anywhere close to making a million dollars so.

Dr. PERFETTO: Thanks right.

MARTIN: Eleanor Perfetto...

Mr. BOYD: And people, they think all ex-players are millionaires.

MARTIN: We have to let you go.

Mr. BOYD: No, we pick the single thousands.

MARTIN: We have to let it go for now, Brent. Thank you for this.

Eleanor Perfetto is wife of former NFL offensive lineman Ralph Wenzel. She joined us at our studios in Washington. And Brent Boyd played for the Minnesota Vikings from 1980 to 1986 and founded the organization Dignity After Football. He joined us from NPR member station KUNR in Reno, Nevada.

Thank you both.
How common is early-onset Alzheimer's?Of all the people with Alzheimer's disease, only 5 to 10 percent develop symptoms before age 65. So if 4 million Americans have Alzheimer's, at least 200,000 people have the early-onset form of the disease. Early-onset Alzheimer's has been known to develop between ages 30 and 40, but that's very uncommon. It is more common to see someone in his or her 50s who has the disease.

Conclusion: is it that unusual for someone from the nfl to have early signs of alzheimer's?

 
two_dollars said:
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
Funding for research? Published papers? Career advancement? Awards? Credibility?
 
Is anyone even questioning that injuries and blows to the head can be harmful?

As far as Ted Johnson... Bill Belichick was criminaly negligent towards a player who had many repeated symptoms of head trauma.

 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0916-concussions-matt-bowen--20100915,0,1628909.column

Was it worth it?

'I can't give you an answer. I'm too scared.'



Bears linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer. (Phil Velasquez, Chicago Tribune / December 13, 2009)

By Matt Bowen

The headaches come in the morning. Tylenol, half a pot of coffee, and then hope they subside by lunch. Standard procedure for most NFL veterans who have had concussions. The price of admission, really, when you play on Sundays.

I can deal with them now, but 10 years, 20 years down the road? That's when I can tell you if it was worth it.



It is an issue — a major issue — in a sport built from and driven by violence. Bears linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer is out for the season because of concussion symptoms. It is something you can't fix with an ice bag or athletic tape.

We chalk it up as part of the game: Players get hurt. We see it all the time with knees, ankles and shoulders. But you can diagnose those injuries. The swelling, the visible damage tells you something is wrong. And you can fight through those for three hours on a Sunday with pills or injections.

Not with concussions. Can't see them. Because of that, they are hard to pinpoint. And the last thing players are going to do is voluntarily take themselves out of a game on Sunday. There is too much on the line: money, reputation, a starting job and a locker come the next season. The NFL is a cutthroat league, and players are recycled from year to year — but eventually thrown out along with the trash.

I've been there. On the first kickoff of the preseason as a rookie with the Rams in 2000, I put my helmet on the returner's knee and everything went black for a moment. I found a way to get myself off the ground and continued to play the rest of the night. Why? Simple, I wanted a roster spot as a rookie. A ding to the head wasn't going to take that away from me.

In 2003, when I was playing for the Redskins, Seattle fullback Mack Strong and I collided at the goal line in the middle of the first quarter. We both fell backward. I came out for the next play. The next thing I remembered was making a tackle on wide receiver Koren Robinson before halftime. He just showed up in front of me. I have no recollection what happened between the first hit and the tackle.

I played the next week in Carolina. Hit wide receiver Steve Smith on a post route late in the game and continued to lie face-down on the ground until the trainers came out on the field. My eyes wouldn't focus. My right arm was numb and there was a burning sensation down my neck into my lower back. I came out for two plays and made it back onto the field for a final four-play attempted goal-line stand. I took on two lead blocks from a fullback and one from a pulling offensive guard. I went into the locker room after the game, sat down and threw up.

Without the guaranteed contracts we see in Major League Baseball or the NBA, NFL players will continue to sacrifice their health and their future by playing through concussions. No one wants to sit out and no one wants to become a ghost — that player who can't practice or can't play, who is tucked away in the training room while someone else is out there on that field stealing your money and your future.

And, we all think — or have thought — during our careers that we are immortal. We don't even entertain the idea of depression or a debilitated lifestyle later in life because of a head injury. Seeing "stars"? A daily routine in the NFL.

I've had a CT scan and met with neurologists. But a picture and squeezing a doctor's hands after a series of questions can only tell you so much. You need to see the brain, and that just can't be done. It is the problem the players and the NFL are facing. How do we diagnose the damage to young men in their late 20s and early 30s before they are put back in a helmet and onto the field?

Was it really worth it? Back when I was still playing football, I would say yes. Sharing a locker room with players such as Brett Favre, Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner is special.

But now, as a husband and father who has headaches at the age of 35, I can't give you an answer. I'm too scared.

Special contributor Matt Bowen played seven seasons in the NFL for the Rams, Packers, Redskins and Bills. He has an active worker's compensation case against the league.

 
two_dollars said:
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
Funding for research? Published papers? Career advancement? Awards? Credibility?
Flinging accusations about possible agendas doesn't prove anything. I'm guessing all of these experts had plenty of things to research before they became involved in studying the effects of concussions on the brains of NFL players.
 
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
Funding for research? Published papers? Career advancement? Awards? Credibility?
Flinging accusations about possible agendas doesn't prove anything. I'm guessing all of these experts had plenty of things to research before they became involved in studying the effects of concussions on the brains of NFL players.
Claiming all trauma to an NFL player's brain is from playing in the NFL is irresponsible and assumptive.
 
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
Funding for research? Published papers? Career advancement? Awards? Credibility?
Flinging accusations about possible agendas doesn't prove anything. I'm guessing all of these experts had plenty of things to research before they became involved in studying the effects of concussions on the brains of NFL players.
Claiming all trauma to an NFL player's brain is from playing in the NFL is irresponsible and assumptive.
It's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of trauma to an NFL player's brain is from playing football.
 
Choke said:
Phurfur said:
I am missing something, how did the rule change on the field?
Players may now be removed from the field entirely, for the following game.For hits that are/were perfectly legal (like Dunta on DeSean).
It wasn't perfectly legal, which is why it was flagged on the field.
 
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
What agenda are you claiming that those experts are pursuing here?
Funding for research? Published papers? Career advancement? Awards? Credibility?
Flinging accusations about possible agendas doesn't prove anything. I'm guessing all of these experts had plenty of things to research before they became involved in studying the effects of concussions on the brains of NFL players.
Claiming all trauma to an NFL player's brain is from playing in the NFL is irresponsible and assumptive.
Except those experts didn't claim that ALL trauma to an NFL player's brain comes from playing in the NFL. They claimed that after studying Chris Henry's brain and his life history, they concluded that the trauma he sustained while playing football played a key role in the erratic behavior that prompted him to commit suicide.
 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-zirin/t...n_b_368982.html

The NFL's Concussion Conundrum

Dave Zirin

Sports correspondent for the Nation Magazine

Posted: November 24, 2009 10:47 AM

On Sunday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell made a startling concession to medical ethics, one resisted by all of his predecessors. Goodell said that when a player sustains a concussion, teams will now be required to seek advice from "independent" neurologists. As the commissioner said on NBC's Football Night in America, "As we learn more and more, we want to give players the best medical advice. This is a chance for us to expand that and bring more people into the circle to make sure we're making the best decisions for our players in the long term."

There is a reason why this story made the front page of the New York Times. It marks a major change in policy and would be like the tobacco industry bringing the American Cancer Institute into its boardroom or Exxon Mobil stating that they needed more input from Greenpeace.

The official NFL line has always been that team doctors held no conflict of interest when evaluating players. The NFL said this despite the stories of former players suffering early-onset dementia at alarming rates and being told to "shake it off" as the ringing continued in their ears.

Former Commissioner Pete Rozelle ignored this issue even when players like the Colts' Hall of Fame tight end John Mackey was diagnosed with frontotemporal dementia. Another former commissioner, Paul Tagliabue, did the same, even when Hall of Fame center Mike Webster died at age 50, homeless and incoherent. It has even been said that Webster was suffering from dementia when he was still an active player in the league.

And Goodell continued to defend the system even though Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson, who suffered from concussions, said that his coach Bill Belichick bullied him back into games (something Belichick denies). There was still no action taken after the 2006 suicide of Eagles pro-bowler Andre Waters, 44, whose brain tissue was that of an 80-year-old with Alzheimer's. The absence of medical oversight has been nothing short of breathtaking.

Goodell has been forced to shift his stance because the issue has simply reached a tipping point. Fittingly, New Yorker staff writer and bestselling author of The Tipping Point Malcolm Gladwell wrote a blistering critique of the NFL's treatment of ex-players last month, in the magazine, and concluded, "In the nineteenth century, dogfighting was [also] widely accepted by the American public. But we no longer find that kind of transaction morally acceptable in a sport."

I'm going to guess that the NFL has let its subscription to The New Yorker lapse. But they do have to care what Congress, the NFLPA union and former players are saying. In a hearing last month, The House Judiciary Committee flayed Goodell under the hot lights. It played footage of Dr. Ira Casson, chairman of the NFL's committee on concussions, saying that there was no connection between football and brain injuries, which is like saying there is no connection between smoking and lung cancer. When Goodell commented that the health of retired players is a priority for the league, committee member Maxine Waters said, "We've heard from the NFL time and time again--you're always 'studying,' you're always 'trying,' you're 'hopeful.' I want to know what are you doing...to deal with this problem and other problems related to injuries?"

While Goodell dangled off the ledge, NFLPA union chief DeMaurice Smith felt no compunction to lend a hand, saying that the union "has not done its best in this area. We will do better."

Chester Pitts, a lineman and union rep for the Houston Texans, told the New York Times, "I don't want to call it forced, but it's been strongly urged because of the awareness of the issue these days. When you have Congress talking about the antitrust exemption and them calling them the tobacco industry, that's pretty big. But it's a good thing it's transpiring."



But the main reason this situation has reached crisis proportions, is that every Sunday we see evidence of the problem and now we are much more aware of the tragic consequences. On November 22, the two quarterbacks who ended last season in the Super Bowl, finished their games on the sidelines. Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers was captured on camera, glassy-eyed and attempting to follow a trainer's finger after taking a knee to the head. Kurt Warner of the Arizona Cardinals, who also took a shot to his head, denied having a serious injury. "I've had a couple minor concussions. Nothing that has been prolonged. Haven't had anything in a number of years," Warner said. There is simply no such thing as a minor concussion.

It's time for a change. A concussion is caused by a blow to the head and can happen to any player, on any play. Goodell, I believe, sees the handwriting on the wall: Brain damaged players and the perception of indifferent owners hold the potential to permanently damage the sport. But before we collectively pat his back, consider the task before him. Goodell and the league will now embark on an effort to sell a slickly packaged three-hour slice of Sunday violence while simultaneously "doing no harm" to its players. Can NFL doctors serve the league and uphold the Hippocratic Oath? Doesn't take a Mayan calendar to see that this will not end well.

[Dave Zirin is the author of "A People's History of Sports in the United States" (The New Press) Receive his column every week by emailing dave@edgeofsports.com. Contact him at edgeofsports@gmail.com.]

 
two_dollars said:
NinerFan49 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Chris Henry acted like a knuckle head way before he ever wore the NFL shield on his jersey.
And you know this... how?
Using Chris Henry is a poor example. His death was indirect and there is no proof his brain injuries are solely from football if at all from football. He could have fallen off a bunk bed repeatedly as a kid.
Right. You know more than all of those stupid experts quoted in this article who have made studying the brain their lives' work.
My point is they are being assumptive because it fits their agenda. How many years of Chris Henry's life did he play in the NFL? How many years did he NOT play in the NFL?
Yes, that's exactly how Occam's razor works. He spent most of his life not playing football, so it is more likely he got multiple brain injuries then, rather then the few years he spent playing contact football through High School, College, and the NFL. :sarcasm: Ridiculous.
 
How common is early-onset Alzheimer's?Of all the people with Alzheimer's disease, only 5 to 10 percent develop symptoms before age 65. So if 4 million Americans have Alzheimer's, at least 200,000 people have the early-onset form of the disease. Early-onset Alzheimer's has been known to develop between ages 30 and 40, but that's very uncommon. It is more common to see someone in his or her 50s who has the disease.Conclusion: is it that unusual for someone from the nfl to have early signs of alzheimer's?
One of my best friends Dads is dying from Alzheimers. He's 57. He was an accountant.
 
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I have no problem with the rule change or whatever you want to call it. For example, a helmet is supposed to be a defensive piece of equipment-- there to protect you. It's not supposed to be a weapon imo.

 
Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-zirin/t...n_b_368982.html

The NFL's Concussion Conundrum

Dave Zirin

Sports correspondent for the Nation Magazine

Posted: November 24, 2009 10:47 AM

On Sunday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell made a startling concession to medical ethics, one resisted by all of his predecessors. Goodell said that when a player sustains a concussion, teams will now be required to seek advice from "independent" neurologists. As the commissioner said on NBC's Football Night in America, "As we learn more and more, we want to give players the best medical advice. This is a chance for us to expand that and bring more people into the circle to make sure we're making the best decisions for our players in the long term."



But the main reason this situation has reached crisis proportions, is that every Sunday we see evidence of the problem and now we are much more aware of the tragic consequences. On November 22, the two quarterbacks who ended last season in the Super Bowl, finished their games on the sidelines. Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers was captured on camera, glassy-eyed and attempting to follow a trainer's finger after taking a knee to the head. Kurt Warner of the Arizona Cardinals, who also took a shot to his head, denied having a serious injury. "I've had a couple minor concussions. Nothing that has been prolonged. Haven't had anything in a number of years," Warner said. There is simply no such thing as a minor concussion.

It's time for a change. A concussion is caused by a blow to the head and can happen to any player, on any play. Goodell, I believe, sees the handwriting on the wall: Brain damaged players and the perception of indifferent owners hold the potential to permanently damage the sport. But before we collectively pat his back, consider the task before him. Goodell and the league will now embark on an effort to sell a slickly packaged three-hour slice of Sunday violence while simultaneously "doing no harm" to its players. Can NFL doctors serve the league and uphold the Hippocratic Oath? Doesn't take a Mayan calendar to see that this will not end well.

[Dave Zirin is the author of "A People's History of Sports in the United States" (The New Press) Receive his column every week by emailing dave@edgeofsports.com. Contact him at edgeofsports@gmail.com.]
The only way to get rid of this is by banning football altogether. It's not the highlight reel hits causing this, it's playing and practising football.
For the past five seasons, Guskiewicz and his team have tracked every one of the football team’s practices and games using a system called HITS, in which six sensors are placed inside the helmet of every player on the field, measuring the force and location of every blow he receives to the head. Using the HITS data, Guskiewicz was able to reconstruct precisely what happened each time the player was injured.

“The first concussion was during preseason. The team was doing two-a-days,” he said, referring to the habit of practicing in both the morning and the evening in the preseason. “It was August 9th, 9:55 A.M. He has an 80-g hit to the front of his head. About ten minutes later, he has a 98-g acceleration to the front of his head.” To put those numbers in perspective, Guskiewicz explained, if you drove your car into a wall at twenty-five miles per hour and you weren’t wearing your seat belt, the force of your head hitting the windshield would be around 100 gs: in effect, the player had two car accidents that morning. He survived both without incident. “In the evening session, he experiences this 64-g hit to the same spot, the front of the head. Still not reporting anything. And then this happens.” On his laptop, Guskiewicz ran the video from the practice session. It was a simple drill: the lineman squaring off against an offensive player who wore the number 76. The other player ran toward the lineman and brushed past him, while delivering a glancing blow to the defender’s helmet. “Seventy-six does a little quick elbow. It’s 63 gs, the lowest of the four, but he sustains a concussion.”

“The second injury was nine weeks later,” Guskiewicz continued. “He’s now recovered from the initial injury. It’s a game out in Utah. In warmups, he takes a 76-g blow to the front of his head. Then, on the very first play of the game, on kickoff, he gets popped in the earhole. It’s a 102-g impact. He’s part of the wedge.” He pointed to the screen, where the player was blocking on a kickoff: “Right here.” The player stumbled toward the sideline. “His symptoms were significantly worse than the first injury.” Two days later, during an evaluation in Guskiewicz’s clinic, he had to have a towel put over his head because he couldn’t stand the light. He also had difficulty staying awake. He was sidelined for sixteen days.

When we think about football, we worry about the dangers posed by the heat and the fury of competition. Yet the HITS data suggest that practice—the routine part of the sport—can be as dangerous as the games themselves. We also tend to focus on the dramatic helmet-to-helmet hits that signal an aggressive and reckless style of play. Those kinds of hits can be policed. But what sidelined the U.N.C. player, the first time around, was an accidental and seemingly innocuous elbow, and none of the blows he suffered that day would have been flagged by a referee as illegal. Most important, though, is what Guskiewicz found when he reviewed all the data for the lineman on that first day in training camp. He didn’t just suffer those four big blows. He was hit in the head thirty-one times that day. What seems to have caused his concussion, in other words, was his cumulative exposure. And why was the second concussion—in the game at Utah—so much more serious than the first? It’s not because that hit to the side of the head was especially dramatic; it was that it came after the 76-g blow in warmup, which, in turn, followed the concussion in August, which was itself the consequence of the thirty prior hits that day, and the hits the day before that, and the day before that, and on and on, perhaps back to his high-school playing days.

This is a crucial point. Much of the attention in the football world, in the past few years, has been on concussions—on diagnosing, managing, and preventing them—and on figuring out how many concussions a player can have before he should call it quits. But a football player’s real issue isn’t simply with repetitive concussive trauma. It is, as the concussion specialist Robert Cantu argues, with repetitive subconcussive trauma. It’s not just the handful of big hits that matter. It’s lots of little hits, too.

That’s why, Cantu says, so many of the ex-players who have been given a diagnosis of C.T.E. were linemen: line play lends itself to lots of little hits. The HITS data suggest that, in an average football season, a lineman could get struck in the head a thousand times, which means that a ten-year N.F.L. veteran, when you bring in his college and high-school playing days, could well have been hit in the head eighteen thousand times: that’s thousands of jarring blows that shake the brain from front to back and side to side, stretching and weakening and tearing the connections among nerve cells, and making the brain increasingly vulnerable to long-term damage. People with C.T.E., Cantu says, “aren’t necessarily people with a high, recognized concussion history. But they are individuals who collided heads on every play—repetitively doing this, year after year, under levels that were tolerable for them to continue to play.”

But if C.T.E. is really about lots of little hits, what can be done about it? Turley says that it’s impossible for an offensive lineman to do his job without “using his head.” The position calls for the player to begin in a crouch and then collide with the opposing lineman when the ball is snapped. Helmet-to-helmet contact is inevitable. Nowinski, who played football for Harvard, says that “proper” tackling technique is supposed to involve a player driving into his opponent with his shoulder. “The problem,” he says, “is that, if you’re a defender and you’re trying to tackle someone and you decide to pick a side, you’re giving the other guy a way to go—and people will start running around you.” Would better helmets help? Perhaps. And there have been better models introduced that absorb more of the shock from a hit. But, Nowinski says, the better helmets have become—and the more invulnerable they have made the player seem—the more athletes have been inclined to play recklessly.

“People love technological solutions,” Nowinski went on. “When I give speeches, the first question is always: ‘What about these new helmets I hear about?’ What most people don’t realize is that we are decades, if not forever, from having a helmet that would fix the problem. I mean, you have two men running into each other at full speed and you think a little bit of plastic and padding could absorb that 150 gs of force?”

At one point, while he was discussing his research, Guskiewicz showed a videotape from a 1997 college football game between Arizona and Oregon. In one sequence, a player from Oregon viciously tackles an Arizona player, bringing his head up onto the opposing player’s chin and sending his helmet flying with the force of the blow. To look at it, you’d think that the Arizona player would be knocked unconscious. Instead, he bounces back up. “This guy does not sustain a concussion,” Guskiewicz said. “He has a lip laceration. Lower lip, that’s it. Now, same game, twenty minutes later.” He showed a clip of an Arizona defensive back making a dramatic tackle. He jumps up, and, as he does so, a teammate of his chest-bumps him in celebration. The defensive back falls and hits his head on the ground. “That’s a Grade 2 concussion,” Guskiewicz said. “It’s the fall to the ground, combined with the bounce off the turf.”



“Let’s assume that Dr. Omalu and the others are right,” Ira Casson, who co-chairs an N.F.L. committee on brain injury, said. “What should we be doing differently? We asked Dr. McKee this when she came down. And she was honest, and said, ‘I don’t know how to answer that.’ No one has any suggestions—assuming that you aren’t saying no more football, because, let’s be honest, that’s not going to happen.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10...l#ixzz12rosXBtC
 
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Another article about the seriousness of brain damage to NFL players from concussions can be found below. For those who don't want to spend a lot of time reading the entire article, I've bolded key parts.

This article makes the case that studies funded by the NFL on the effects of concussions on its players exhibited a deliberate bias in order to downplay the damage from concussions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2636795

Updated: October 28, 2006, 1:50 PM ET

Doctor yes

Elliot Pellman, the NFL's top medical adviser, claims it's okay for players with concussions to get back in the game. Time for a second opinion.

By Peter Keating

ESPN The Magazine

"THERE'S GOING TO be some controversy about you going back to play."

Elliot Pellman looks Wayne Chrebet in the eye in the fourth quarter of a tight game, Jets vs. Giants on Nov. 2, 2003, at the Meadowlands. A knee to the back of the head knocked Chrebet stone-cold unconscious a quarter earlier, and now the Jets' team doctor is putting the wideout through a series of mental tests. Pellman knows Chrebet has suffered a concussion, but the player is performing adequately on standard memory exercises.

"This is very important for you," the portly physician tells the local hero, as was later reported in the New York Daily News. "This is very important for your career."

Then he asks, "Are you okay?" When Chrebet replies, "I'm fine," Pellman sends him back in.

*************

YOU GET KNOCKED DIZZY, maybe you black out, you slowly come to your senses. You feel strangely removed from your surroundings, maybe you have a seizure, maybe you puke. But you put your helmet back on as soon as you can walk straight. Any behavior, no matter how bizarre, becomes routine if someone repeats it often enough. And for decades, professional football players have adapted to concussions, shaking them off, calling them "dings," laughing about how they can't remember the number of blows to the head they have taken.

Only in recent years have scientists started to understand exactly what happens inside a brain when a head gets smashed and to explore why some players get hurt worse or cope better than others. The NFL is among those looking for answers, with good reason: According to league data, about 100 players a year suffer concussions from hits that average 98 times the force of gravity.

Pro football's powers-that-be began to study the subject formally in 1994. Following a rash of head injuries to stars such as Troy Aikman and Steve Young, then-commissioner Paul Tagliabue established the Mild Traumatic Brain Injury (MTBI) Committee. He named Elliot Pellman, M.D., its chairman.

Since it first published research results in 2003, Pellman's committee has drawn a number of important conclusions about head trauma and how to treat it that contradict the research and experiences of many other doctors who treat sports concussions, not to mention the players who have suffered them. For example, Pellman and his colleagues wrote in January 2005 that returning to play after a concussion "does not involve significant risk of a second injury either in the same game or during the season." But a 2003 NCAA study of 2,905 college football players found just the opposite: Those who have suffered concussions are more susceptible to further head trauma for seven to 10 days after the injury.

Pellman and his group have also stated repeatedly that their work shows "no evidence of worsening injury or chronic cumulative effects of multiple MTBIs in NFL players." But a 2003 report by the Center for the Study of Retired Athletes at the University of North Carolina found a link between multiple concussions and depression among former pro players with histories of concussions. A 2005 follow-up study at the Center showed a connection between concussions and both brain impairment and Alzheimer's disease among retired NFL players.

Several former NFLers who took fierce hits to the head during their playing days have testified to the lasting effects of concussions. "I can't help but look at the concussions I sustained as a reason for the headaches, the depression, the blurred vision, the slurred speech that I might have at some times," Hall of Fame linebacker Harry Carson told Outside the Lines. Carson, who played for the Giants from 1976 to 1988, continued, "When I look back at the many hits I inflicted on people and at some of the hits I have gotten, it becomes clear to me that not only was I abusing my body, I was also abusing the gray matter in my skull."

Former fullback Merril Hoge, who played from 1987 to 1994, had his career ended by repeated concussions. "Six weeks after I was forced to retire, when I had started to feel better, I had an appearance at a wine-tasting event," says the ESPN analyst. "The moment the wine touched my lips, I went blind for the most terrifying 10 seconds of my life. My doctor later explained I had probably suffered trauma in the vision area of my brain. I think that speaks to the cumulative effects."

There are various reasons that the Pellman committee's findings might clash with these accounts and with other research. Recently active NFL players, whom the committee is studying, could differ from the subjects of other studies in some important way, such as their health or their protective equipment. Or one or more of the studies could be flawed. Concussions, after all, are a tricky subject, both because players don't like to report them and because they involve the complicated inner wirings of the brain. But Pellman is steadfast in his unwillingness to accept the work of others. "Pellman's committee has repeatedly questioned and disagreed with the findings of researchers who didn't come from their own injury group," says Julian Bailes, chairman of neurosurgery at West Virginia University. (Tagliabue declined to comment on Pellman or his research, and the NFL referred all questions for this story to Pellman.)

The NFL allows each team to manage concussions as it sees fit. When a player is injured, the team doctor, sometimes with input from trainers and specialists, decides when he can return to the field. In practice, according to Pellman's committee, 51.7% of players who suffer concussions -- including a quarter of those who are knocked out -- return in the same game. Pellman has written that "many NFL players can be safely allowed to return to play on the day of injury" and that "the current decisionmaking of NFL team physicians seems appropriate for return to the game after a concussion."



Not according to the consensus of experts outside the NFL, it doesn't. The Second International Conference on Concussion in Sport met in Prague in 2004 and released the following statement: "When a player shows ANY symptoms or signs of a concussion ... the player should not be allowed to return to play in the current game or practice ... When in doubt, sit them out!" That's what the first conference (in Vienna in 2001) found too. All standard U.S. guidelines, such as those first set by the American Academy of Neurology and the Colorado Medical Society, agree that athletes who lose consciousness should never return to play in the same game.



Sports doctors generally believe concussions make people more vulnerable to future damage, especially in the period closely following the injury. That's because head trauma sets off a storm of chemical changes in the brain that can affect reflexes even if outward symptoms have subsided. And plenty of players know what it's like to be vulnerable. "I took a blow to the head during a Monday-night game for the Bears against the Chiefs, and I had amnesia on the plane ride home five or six hours later," Hoge says. "That's when the team doctors decided my return-to-play date. Four days later I was practicing, and I realized I was struggling with learning new plays." Five weeks into the 1994 season, Hoge took another hit, walked off the field and into the locker room, and passed out. For about 15 seconds, he even stopped breathing. "I had to learn how to read again," he says. "You could take me around the block and I'd never get home." (Hoge sued John Munsell, then Chicago's team doctor, and won $1.55 million in 2000, a verdict that was later overturned.)

Several of the country's preeminent neurosurgeons and neuropsychologists have grown increasingly concerned that the league is putting players at risk by following Pellman's lead. They've had their doubts since the early days of his appointment to lead the committee. For one thing, Pellman is a rheumatologist by training -- a specialist in the treatment of joints and muscles -- not a neurologist. For another, when he started out, he often professed ignorance about the subject in question. "I would hear him say things in speeches like, 'I don't know much about concussions, I learn from my players,' and, 'We as a field don't know much about concussions,' and it used to bother me," says one doctor. "We knew what to do about concussions, but he was acting like it was new ground." Their dismay has only increased since The New York Times revealed last year that Pellman attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico, and does not hold a medical degree from SUNY Stony Brook, as he once claimed. "When neuropsychologists sit around telling jokes, we call him 'Mr. Pellman,' " says a colleague.

As a biology major at NYU, Pellman worked his way through college, holding jobs at his family's flower shop in the Bronx and as a cabdriver. Low grades led him to go to medical school at the Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara in 1975. After a one-year residency at Stony Brook, Pellman received his medical degree from the New York State Department of Education. He was hired by the Jets in 1988 and has been medical director of the Islanders since 1996 and of Arena Football's Dragons since 2000. The NFL named him medical liaison to the commissioner in 2001, and two years later, MLB hired him as its medical adviser. The gregarious 52-year-old also runs ProHealth Care Associates, a private medical practice in Lake Success, N.Y.

Now there are questions not only about Pellman's résumé and conclusions but about his methods, too. It turns out that when he and his collaborators assembled data for a crucial part of their ongoing study, they didn't include results from hundreds of NFL players, some of whom had had concussions. Says Kevin Guskiewicz, director of the Sports Medicine Research Laboratory at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: "The data that hasn't shown up makes their work questionable industry-funded research."

WILLIAM BARR is a neuropsychologist, which means he studies the relationship between how the brain functions and how the mind works. He's also a lifelong Detroit sports fan who keeps a photo of Gordie Howe on his office wall. In 1992, Barr was running a lab at Long Island Jewish Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y., when his phone rang. It was Elliot Pellman.

"I don't know who any neuropsychologists are, I've never worked with one," Barr recalls Pellman saying. "But somebody said Al Toon should see a neuropsychologist, so I asked around and I'm calling you."

Barr had treated plenty of brain injuries. He thought it was pretty cool that his medical and sports interests might converge, so he agreed to see the Jets receiver, who had suffered a series of serious head injuries. After testing by Barr and encouragement by Pellman, Toon retired.

In 1995, Pellman called Barr again, this time to see Boomer Esiason after a skull-crunching hit by Bruce Smith. With that, Barr became the Jets' neuropsychology consultant. Over the next nine years, he saw a series of Jets with concussions and conducted baseline tests on 382 players.

Baselines are a series of mental tasks, such as remembering words or designs, that an athlete completes while he is in an uninjured state. A doctor can then compare a concussed player's performance on the tests to his initial results. "After" scores make sense only in the context of "before" scores.



As Barr collected his data, Pellman told him there was one rule: "Don't talk to the press."

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A couple of days after Wayne Chrebet is knocked senseless by the Giants, he is sluggish and tired, and his head aches. "It was stupid, trying to get back out there," he says. "That's just me trying to convince them and myself that everything is all right." The Jets staff, including Pellman and Barr, diagnose Chrebet with postconcussion syndrome. Ten days after the game, the Jets place Chrebet on injured reserve.

Pellman makes no apologies. "Wayne returned and was fine," he tells the media. "He did not suffer additional injury. If he had suffered additional injury, his prognosis would be no different.

"Let's say I didn't allow him to return to play, and he played the following week," he continues. "The same thing could have happened. The decision about Wayne returning to play was based on scientific evaluation. As we stand now, that decision made no difference as to what's happening today.

"This decision is so that I can sleep well at night and so Wayne's wife can sleep well at night," he says about ending Chrebet's season. "Nobody gets second-guessed."

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IN OCTOBER 2003, Pellman and members of his committee published the first of a long-running series on concussions in Neurosurgery, a scholarly journal edited by Mike Apuzzo, the New York Giants' neurosurgical consultant. The committee's earliest studies used crash test dummies to reenact helmet blows. Later, the group decided to explore the ill effects of multiple concussions, and Pellman charged one of its members, Mark Lovell, head of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's Sports Medicine Concussion Program, to oversee the collection and analysis of leaguewide data. Pellman chose Lovell because he had conducted neuropsychological tests for the Steelers as early as 1993. And in 1995, Lovell began to run the NFL's neuropsychology program, which encouraged teams to gather data to help decide when to return players to games.

Using the information they would obtain, Pellman, Lovell and the committee planned to look at baseline results and identify a normal range of scores for uninjured NFL players. Then, comparing postinjury scores to baseline data would show the effects of concussions. Comparing data from players with multiple concussions to that of all injured players would show whether concussive effects changed as injuries accumulated.

A lot was riding on the analysis. The committee had never imposed recommendations on team medical staffs. But this was the first study ever to analyze the brain function of NFL athletes. If it showed that concussions were significantly impairing players, the league might be forced to institute new rules for evaluating and treating head injuries. Pellman and Lovell both say they invited all teams to participate in the research (Lovell says 11 teams elected to join the study) and tried to collect as many results as they could. As Lovell puts it, "More data is always better."

Several of the doctors involved, however, tell a different story. Barr, for example, conducted 217 baseline tests from 1996 to 2001. Periodically, he forwarded results to the league, but at the time Barr learned the committee was planning to publish its results, he had sent only 149. Barr remembers finding Pellman in the Jets' training room in 2003 and saying, "Elliot, I haven't sent data for a year." According to Barr, Pellman didn't want the additional tests. "I don't want the data to be biased because I'm with the Jets," Barr recalls him saying, suggesting that additional results would skew the data because the Jets would be overrepresented in the sample. That made no sense to Barr. A scientific study should include, or at least address, all available data.

Pellman denies this conversation ever took place. "Bill Barr was a consultant for the Jets who tested individual players to help us make decisions," he says. "I did not discuss the committee's research with him." Whoever is right, the fact is the group didn't have all of Barr's data for its paper.

Barr's wasn't the only research that didn't make the cut. Over the period covered by the committee's research, Christopher Randolph, a Chicago neuropsychologist, collected baselines for 287 Bears players. He says Lovell never asked for his data, either.

Nor did the committee seek complete data from John Woodard, neuropsychologist for the Falcons and associate psychology professor at the Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science in North Chicago. According to Woodard, in December 2003, Lovell said the league was pressuring him to compile team results. "I was asked to provide data on only concussed players," Woodard says. "I had data for slightly more than 200 baseline evaluations. I don't know why I was not asked for them."

In 2004, Lovell also asked Richard Naugle, consultant to the Browns and head neuropsychologist at the Cleveland Clinic, for data on just the players who had already suffered concussions, according to an e-mail Naugle wrote to a colleague in March 2005. Naugle declined to comment for this story, citing a confidentiality deal between his medical group and the NFL, but The Magazine has obtained a copy of that message. "I don't have that sorted out from the results of other testing," Naugle wrote of the request. "I explained that and added that if he could name players, I could send data on those individuals. I recall sending him data on two or three players ... I have a few hundred baselines."

This means Pellman, Lovell and their colleagues didn't include at least 850 baseline test results in their research -- more than the 655 that ultimately made it into their 2004 Neurosurgery paper. At best, their numbers were incomplete. At worst, they were biased. "That's news to me," Lovell says now. "My job was to collect as much data as I could."

In an Oct. 22 letter to The Magazine he wrote that "at no point was there ever an attempt to exclude teams from participating. Not only is this counterintuitive with regard to the goals of the project, but this assertion seems to suggest that there was an effort to suppress the collection of data for the study." The letter continues, "This is completely baseless. If there is data that was not included, I either did not know about its existence, the team and/or neuropsychologist did not want to participate, or the data fell outside the time parameters."

Barr also claims that in December 2003, Pellman asked him for data on specific Jets. "One day he doesn't want my data, the next he does," Barr thought at the time. He feared that Pellman might be "trying to fill certain cells and not others." According to a fax Barr sent Pellman on Dec. 4, 2003, Pellman had inquired specifically about Fred Baxter, who last played for the Jets in 2000; about Kyle Brady, who hadn't been with the team since 1998; and about Keyshawn Johnson, whose last season as a Jet was 1999. It's hard to see how Pellman could have wanted the three records for anything that had to do with ongoing care because he was no longer treating those players. Rather than collecting all available information to see where it led, Barr was concerned that Pellman might be picking and choosing what to include to get results that would downplay the effects of concussions.

Pellman denies it all. "Team doctors talk to specialists and ask them for results all the time," he says. "It's part of their job."

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PELLMAN, LOVELL and their colleagues published their sixth paper in Neurosurgery in December 2004. It examined baseline data on 655 players and results for 95 players who had undergone both baseline testing and postconcussion testing. It concluded that NFL players did not show a decline in brain function after suffering concussions. Further analysis found no ill effects among those who had three or more concussions or who took hits to the head that kept them out for a week or more. The paper didn't explain where the players in the groups came from specifically or why certain players were included and hundreds of others were not. Neither Pellman nor Lovell has provided those details since.

Like most academic journals, Neurosurgery publishes work that has been peer-reviewed. Other scientists evaluate the design and execution of the studies, though they don't vouch for the accuracy of the data presented. Unlike most academic journals, though, Neurosurgery allows those peers to print their comments directly following the studies. In the case of the committee's sixth paper, even without any evidence of missing tests, the reviews were harsh. "When you look at the comments, what's striking is how strongly they are worded," says Chris Nowinski, author of Head Games: Football's Concussion Crisis. "They're full of phrases like 'perplexing,' 'obvious problems' and 'overinterpreted.' But the media reports what studies find, not what reviewers write."

The decision to publish the paper was controversial. "I highly doubt this study would have seen the light of day at this journal were it not for the subject matter of NFL players," says Robert Cantú, chief of neurosurgery and director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass., and a senior editor at Neurosurgery.

"The extremely small sample size and voluntary participation suggest there was bias in choosing the sample. The findings are extremely preliminary at best, and no conclusions should be drawn from them at this time."

One of the scientists who reviewed the committee's work is equally blunt. "They're basically trying to prepare a defense for when one of these players sues," he says. "They are trying to say that what's done in the NFL is okay because in their studies, it doesn't look like bad things are happening from concussions. But the studies are flawed beyond belief."

The same month the sixth paper was published, Barr gave a lecture at a conference sponsored by the Brain Injury Association of New York at Madison Square Garden. By then, he had joined the Comprehensive Epilepsy Center at NYU. In addition to his work there and with the Jets, he recently had been part of a research team that looked at concussions in nearly 3,000 college athletes. At the Garden, Barr talked about some of the findings from that NCAA study. He said the research indicated that the best time to do neuropsychological tests on players with concussions was after their symptoms had completely cleared, usually five to 10 days after the trauma.

A week or so later, Barr says Pellman called him and said, "I understand you're bad-mouthing the league." Barr realized Pellman was referring to the remarks he had made at the conference. Although that speech had been about college athletes, Pellman didn't like Barr's recommendations. NFL teams, Barr understood, preferred testing players just one to two days after a concussion, allowing for quicker diagnoses and returns to play.

"In the future," Barr says Pellman told him, "if you have anything to present or publish about sports concussions, you will have to put it through me." Barr protested that as a professor and a scientist, he couldn't be expected to clear material that wasn't Jets-related with Pellman.

"Then your time with the Jets is over," Pellman said. And, Pellman added, if Barr ever tried to publish any of his NFL data, he would hear from the league's lawyers. Barr was so concerned about the conversation that on April 29, 2005, he detailed it in a two-page letter to Richard Levin, his dean at the NYU School of Medicine.

Pellman heatedly denies Barr's account. "I never, never, never told Bill Barr he would have to clear all his work through me," he says. "I have people working for me all over the country, and I haven't put restrictions on them like that. It's ridiculous." Pellman confirms that he fired Barr but won't say why. "He was terminated because of certain events, which I will not go into other than to say he was a good neuropsychologist," Pellman says. "I do not need to air my dirty laundry in public."

But others too have felt Pellman's wrath. In November 2003, UNC's Guskiewicz was scheduled to appear on HBO's Inside the NFL to discuss his research that showed a link between multiple concussions and depression in 2,488 former pro football players. Pellman, who was also going to be on the show, called Guskiewicz. "I had never spoken with him before, and he attacked me from the get-go," Guskiewicz says. "He questioned whether it was in my best interest to do the show. He was a bull in a china shop."

On the program, Pellman said flatly, "When I look at that study, I don't believe it." Later, however, Pellman announced the league would begin to look into the long-term effects of concussions. "It's typical for them to say they will do their own study," says West Virginia's Bailes. Adds one of the scientists researching the long-term effects of concussions: "It has to be Elliot's idea for it to be a good idea."

In January 2005, Pellman's committee published its seventh research paper on concussions. It stated: "Return to play does not involve a significant risk of a second injury either in the same game or during the season."

Back at NYU, Barr was disappointed. "Their conclusions were totally at odds with my experience," he says. "I can't believe you could have Wayne Chrebet on your team and conclude there is no increased risk of concussions." Barr is criticizing the committee publicly now for the first time because he thinks its recommendations are dangerous. "I believe the findings of the NFL, as published, are definitely putting players at risk," he says. "The wrong message is getting out."

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Wayne Chrebet's head whiplashes and smashes into the ground after he makes a six-yard catch on third and five in the fourth quarter of a tight game, Jets vs. Chargers on Nov. 6, 2005, at the Meadowlands. He has a faraway look in his eyes as he hobbles off the field. After the game, a trainer has to help him take off his uniform. A day later, the Jets put Chrebet on IR again. The injury is at least the sixth time in his NFL tenure that Chrebet has taken a blow to the head serious enough for him to miss a game.

By 2006, Chrebet will own a bar across the street from the Jets' practice field and do postgame analysis for Jets games on local cable.

But he never plays again.

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PELLMAN'S COMMITTEE is up to 13 papers now, and the league continues to disregard what other researchers are finding. "If the NFL ever had to bring their practices in line with the rest of the literature, they'd have to change everything about the way they operate," says Head Games author Nowinski. "They could no longer make heroes of the guys who go back in after getting concussions. It would turn their game on its head."

Meanwhile, players risk serious, lasting head injuries each week. Last year's Wayne Chrebet is this year's Dan Morgan. The NFL has to decide how much longer it can afford to send players back into games after they've been knocked out. How much longer it wants to tell players that multiple concussions pose no threat to their future mental health. And how much longer it wants to keep relying on Elliot Pellman's research to make its calls.

 
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