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Who is the Top 1st Round QB (1 Viewer)

Bob Magaw

Bob Magaw

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note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford... though ryan is very close (and that is likely the consensus choice?)... VY has redeemed himself, but could be limited for fantasy purposes in the run heavy offense (he did finish strong in 2009, near top 10 in the ten games he started)... his passing and overall limitations were severely, starkly exposed by PIT this year, but they do that to a lot of QBs... the luster is off of cutler... the less said about leianrt and quinn the better... flacco is interesting, and has some impressive receiving weapons... 2009 is starting to look like it could emerge as the best class of this bunch, in terms of volume...

something like this...

bradford

ryan

sanchez

stafford

freeman

flacco

VY

the busts (quinn, leinart and russell)

* (? not sure where to put cutler, he looked infinitely better during a very promising start in DEN, after which he might easily have been ranked #1 in this list... based on past two years in CHI, he arguably belongs below VY and ahead of only the clunkers)...

 
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For some of these guys, we can make a determination, while for others it is a bit premature. However, I'll bite, but some of this is based on "potential" from a limited sample.

Ryan

Bradford

Sanchez

Flacco

Stafford (potential, but limited so far)

Cutler (unfulfilled potential, but no doubting raw ability)

Freeman

Young

the bottom three

 
azgroover said:
Why is stafford above vy, flacco, and Freeman in the 1st list?
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based on potential...i am high on stafford... very similar, nearly indistinguishable from sanchez & freeman (who i am also very high on) in fact, from class of '09...i think a lot of people would have him higher if not for the injuries... he does need to stay on the field, or he drops in my rankings as soon as next year...i like him more than flacco (VY & cutler, also, from past five years)...i think stafford has a nice nucleus of young skill position weapons, especially calvin, the TEs (pettigrew & scheffler) & best (who has also had trouble staying healthy, dating back at least to cal)...
 
NFL - wise:

Ryan

Flacco

Bradford

Sanchez

Young

Freeman

Stafford

Cutler

non-starter/out of the league guys.

Fantasy:

Bradford

Cutler

Ryan

Flacco

Freeman

Young

Stafford

 
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
 
hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
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Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.
 
Go deep said:
hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
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Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.
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QuinnLeinart

Palmer

They all were talked about the same way coming into the league (If I remember correctly). I'll agree the kid looks great! but lets let him play a season before we anoint him as the ####!

Lets do Running Backs... A. Peterson was talked about as the best RB coming into the league. Yet, who would you rather have Peterson or some guy who can hold onto the ball?

Lets do Wide Receivers... Pick a Detroit Lions receiver and they were probably talked about as being the best coming into the league since... Well, we don't have to go any further.

 
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hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
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Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.
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i agree with this...if the rams goe 3-6 (or better) in the last nine games, they will have won as many (or more) games in 2010 than they did in the past THREE years combined.

rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...

roethlisberger had a great year, but the steelers circa his rookie year were a LITTLE bit better than the rams in recent seasons... though in fairness to bradford's teammates, steven jackson is a stud (three straight 100 yard games?), LT roger saffold was an inspired pick, the defense seems much better in year two of the transition to HC steve spagnulolo's system...

more typically, future greats struggle mightily when they go to bad teams (which a #1 overall pick almost always does, for obvious reasons)... think aikman & elway...

bloom was the first i heard call bradford the next great QB, though i have been on the band wagon for a while...

when i looked at how bradford's numbers stacked up against some other notable and prominent rookie QBs in the past decade... imo, his projected numbers prorated over a full 16 games looked closest to and eerily similar in fact to manning.

* other than the DET blow out, the rams have been in every other game, and could EASILY be anywhere from 4-3 to 6-1.

and look at what he is doin it with... his probable top WR avery went on IR after week one... which led to the clayton trade, who he formed instant chemistry with, and he is now out for the season. he is doing it with the likes of danny amendola, brandon gibson and mardy gilyard... as well as TEs daniel fells, billy bajema & uh oh.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
Go deep said:
hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
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Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.
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i agree with this...if the rams goe 3-6 (or better) in the last nine games, they will have won as many (or more) games in 2010 than they did in the past THREE years combined.

rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...

roethlisberger had a great year, but the steelers circa his rookie year were a LITTLE bit better than the rams in recent seasons... though in fairness to bradford's teammates, steven jackson is a stud (three straight 100 yard games?), LT roger saffold was an inspired pick, the defense seems much better in year two of the transition to HC steve spagnulolo's system...

more typically, future greats struggle mightily when they go to bad teams (which a #1 overall pick almost always does, for obvious reasons)... think aikman & elway...

bloom was the first i heard call bradford the next great QB, though i have been on the band wagon for a while...

when i looked at how bradford's numbers stacked up against some other notable and prominent rookie QBs in the past decade... imo, his projected numbers prorated over a full 16 games looked closest to and eerily similar in fact to manning.
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Thats my point, its a projection! Only time will tell! Could he be be the next Payton Manning? Absolutely... He looks great so far! But we're not even to November 1st on his rookie season! It's a little early to call him the second coming of christ! Just my opinion!
 
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hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
Go deep said:
hutchins929 said:
Bob Magaw said:
note - 2005 had the disappointing alex smith and jason campbell, but also aaron rodgers

2006 - VY (1.3), leinart (1.10) & cutler (1.11)

2007 - jamarcbust (1.1 - oof) & quinn (1.22)

2008 - ryan (1.3) & flacco (1.18)

2009 - stafford (1.1), sanchez (1.5) & freeman (1.17)

2010 - bradford (1.1)

personally, i would go with bradford
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He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why??? :goodposting:
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Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.
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i agree with this...if the rams goe 3-6 (or better) in the last nine games, they will have won as many (or more) games in 2010 than they did in the past THREE years combined.

rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...

roethlisberger had a great year, but the steelers circa his rookie year were a LITTLE bit better than the rams in recent seasons... though in fairness to bradford's teammates, steven jackson is a stud (three straight 100 yard games?), LT roger saffold was an inspired pick, the defense seems much better in year two of the transition to HC steve spagnulolo's system...

more typically, future greats struggle mightily when they go to bad teams (which a #1 overall pick almost always does, for obvious reasons)... think aikman & elway...

bloom was the first i heard call bradford the next great QB, though i have been on the band wagon for a while...

when i looked at how bradford's numbers stacked up against some other notable and prominent rookie QBs in the past decade... imo, his projected numbers prorated over a full 16 games looked closest to and eerily similar in fact to manning.
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Thats my point, its a projection! Only time will tell! Could he be be the next Payton Manning? Absolutely... He looks great so far! But we're not even to November 1st on his rookie season! It's a little early to call him the second coming of christ! Just my opinion!
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projection is the essence/hallmark of scouting...you have to use your imagination to see how a college player will do at the next level... as well as where as they project to be in a few years...

no doubt due to differences in temperment and outlook, some will be more catious and conservative in their predictions...

incidentally, it invites a greater liklihood of being wrong by projecting a QB who hasn't even played a complete season ahead of QBs like ryan (though QBs like sanchez, stafford & freeman don't have a lot of experience, either)... but based on what i have seen so far, i'm willing to go out on that limb. and based on some other responses, i'm far from the only one.

* not the best comparison, but in the miles austin thread, somebody actually pointed out they needed to see him do it for a few years before they would acknowledge he was legit... i pointed out that for some people that was fine... but in our capacity at FBG, it won't really do to say... i'll get back to you in a few years... :lmao: readers and board members are looking for projections to the best of our ability, often with incomplete data....

isn't that also the hallmark of fantasy football... spotting breakouts BEFORE they happen...

there are different ways to get burned... NOT making a move for a player that turns into an eventual star, that could have been made far more cheaply... can be as costly or more so than the moves you make that admittedly blow up in your face.

conservatism isn't necessarily an inherent, intrinsic virtue in and of itself in fantasy football...

that said, i prefer a roster with the right blend of proven production and calculated risks but with big upside.

 
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If I got to pick any today, it would be Freeman or Bradford. And I know how terrible it is to pick Bradford while attending OU, but I think he'll be the best.

 
Anyone who doesn't have Freeman in their top 3 doesn't watch real football. That guy is a comeback god even though his team is average. He's pulled them to a 4-2 record with very average players on offense around him. He already have 5 come from behind victories in less than a season's worth of games started. That's unbelievable.

 
Bradford

Ryan

Flacco

Freeman

Sanchez

Cutler

Stafford

Vince Young

Quinn

Leinart

negative infinity

Jamarcus Russell

 
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Tier #1

1. Matt Ryan

2. Sam Bradford

3. Josh Freeman

Tier #2

4. Flacco

5. Cutler

Tier #3

6. Stafford

7. Young

8. Sanchez

Tier #4

9. Quinn

Tier #5

10. Russell

 
This thread will be legit once we get some opinion from non rams or sooner fans.....

For me... from a football perspective... There is Flacco and Ryan.... then everybody else.... why is everybody all over Bradford? Really?

 
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This thread will be legit once we get some opinion from non rams or sooner fans.....For me... from a football perspective... There is Flacco and Ryan.... then everybody else.... why is everybody all over Bradford? Really?
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In my opinion (neither a Rams/Sooner homer). Bradford is mentioned as a top young QB prospect cuz of what he has done so far:146 Completions / 260 Attempts (56.2% Completion)1483 Yards9 TDs8 Ints71.4 QB RatingYeah, these numbers are not glamorous by any means, but as a rookie who took charge of one of the worst offenses last year and is able to win games says something. His accuracy was highly raved about and not to mention he is a prime candidate to be ROY.Not to mention when you get compliments from the opposing team like the following, that says something:"Sam Bradford is going to be a special player" - Larry Fitzgerald"I wish another team had drafted him beside one in our division" - Ken WhisenhuntAlso, whenever I saw Bradford play on NFL Redzone, he has the confidence and poise to stand in the pocket and execute. As many people see, he doesn't look like a rookie playing out there. Give this guy a few years to grow into the position and establish a solid offense with a decent line and maybe a play maker receive, and I am sure this guy will be worth the #1 pick money he was paid.
 
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Bob Magaw said:
rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...
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Lately, they do.In the prior two seasons, 3 rookie QBs have taken their teams to the playoffs. You could make the argument that it was more of a "team" effort, but gone are the days when a rookie QB immediately translates to a 2-14 season.FWIW, Ryan and Flacco are both at least a tier ahead of Bradford -right now-. If we are comparing them after Bradford has completed two full seasons, we may say something different, but both of those other two guys are leading their teams into prime SB contention. That means more to me than Bradford's stats across 6 games of a rookie season, and let's face it, the Rams aren't getting into the playoffs this year.
 
I'm surprised to see Flacco not listed with Ryan/Bradford. I like him a lot. Definitely doesn't belong in the same tier w/ Cutler.

 
I of course am partial to Ryan, but Freeman, Bradford, Flacco, and Sanchez are all legit options IMO. I like Stafford too if he ever plays.

 
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What I find interesting is that Ryan seems to be nearly universally regarded as a full tier above Flacco.

The facts are they have nearly identical stats so far, with Flacco throwing for a few more yards and Ryan a few more TDs. In fact, it's eerie how close the numbers are. Especially when you consider they both led their teams to 9-7 records last year and are both currently leading their teams at 5-2.

So what are folks seeing in Ryan that they don't see in Flacco (other than draft status)? I think has been discussed many times before, but the stats and the overall results for these guys continue to be very comparable when most probably thought Ryan would have "pulled ahead" by this point.

 
tangfoot said:
Bob Magaw said:
rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...
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Lately, they do.In the prior two seasons, 3 rookie QBs have taken their teams to the playoffs. You could make the argument that it was more of a "team" effort, but gone are the days when a rookie QB immediately translates to a 2-14 season.FWIW, Ryan and Flacco are both at least a tier ahead of Bradford -right now-. If we are comparing them after Bradford has completed two full seasons, we may say something different, but both of those other two guys are leading their teams into prime SB contention. That means more to me than Bradford's stats across 6 games of a rookie season, and let's face it, the Rams aren't getting into the playoffs this year.
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1) if you are going to go by record and playoff contention... does that make sanchez #1?2) hypothetically, if bradford and flacco switched place, but teams had same records over six games, would bradford than be "better" than flacco?3) if rams beat CAR (won first game sunday), they will be 4-4 with 8 games to go... who is the powerhouse/juggernaut in the NFC west that gives them no chance to win the division... SEA? they already beat... ARI? nearly beat opening week... SF? has one win. i agree it isn't *likely*, but i wouldn't assume it isn't possible, as you seem to suggest.4) look at the respective teams skill position weapons... other than steven jackson, who stacks up favorably with counterparts in ATL & BAL... but the receiving weapons aren't comparable...5) clearly flacco and sanchez benefited (and continue to) from playing for BAL & NYJ... ryan less obvious, he was a top 3 pick... but ATL had been a playoff team more recently than the rams prior to bradfords selection...
 
Donnybrook said:
Anyone care to explain how they are ranking Sanchez above Freeman?
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What's hard to beleive about it? They've both looked impressive and are both leading their teams to wins, and right now Freeman has more yards and Sanchez has better TD:INT ratio:Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD 2010 NYJ 6 6 177 98 55.4 1100 6.2 67 9 2 86.4 9 5 0.6 0 Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD 2010 TB 6 6 199 117 58.8 1255 6.3 46 7 3 82.8 23 154 6.7 0
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Donnybrook said:
Anyone care to explain how they are ranking Sanchez above Freeman?
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What's hard to beleive about it? They've both looked impressive and are both leading their teams to wins, and right now Freeman has more yards and Sanchez has better TD:INT ratio:

Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD

2010 NYJ 6 6 177 98 55.4 1100 6.2 67 9 2 86.4 9 5 0.6 0

Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD

2010 TB 6 6 199 117 58.8 1255 6.3 46 7 3 82.8 23 154 6.7 0
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The Jets have a outstanding defense, a great running game and IMO the best Oline in the league. It hard to compare the two when Freeman is carring his team and Sanchez is being carried by his.
 
Donnybrook said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Donnybrook said:
Anyone care to explain how they are ranking Sanchez above Freeman?
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What's hard to beleive about it? They've both looked impressive and are both leading their teams to wins, and right now Freeman has more yards and Sanchez has better TD:INT ratio:

Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD

2010 NYJ 6 6 177 98 55.4 1100 6.2 67 9 2 86.4 9 5 0.6 0

Year Team G GS Att Cmp CmpPct Yd YAtt Lg TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD

2010 TB 6 6 199 117 58.8 1255 6.3 46 7 3 82.8 23 154 6.7 0
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The Jets have a outstanding defense, a great running game and IMO the best Oline in the league. It hard to compare the two when Freeman is carring his team and Sanchez is being carried by his.
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Not to mention all of the Jets WRs are great (all have 1k yardage seasons under their belts) along with a top TE in Keller, and with LT catching passes out of the backfield.Freeman has beat up scrub RBs and Kellen Winslow. Mike Williams is good but he's not as good as any of the starting 3 WRs on the Jets. Freeman is the man and is showing it by being a fearless leader who carries his team to Ws.

 
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Anyone who doesn't have Freeman in their top 3 doesn't watch real football. That guy is a comeback god even though his team is average. He's pulled them to a 4-2 record with very average players on offense around him. He already have 5 come from behind victories in less than a season's worth of games started. That's unbelievable.
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:shrug: Everytime I see Freeman, I come away impressed. If I were an NFL GM, I'd want them in this order:

Bradford

Freeman

Sanchez

Ryan

Flacco

 
While some appear to agree with me, most are really undervaluing Flacco. The kid came from Delaware and has won while adjusting to the NFL game. He is big, can make all the throws, seems to have a good head on his shoulders and has nice touch on his passes. While he may not have a P. Manning type upside he has all the physical tools, is still learning and maturing and has already proven to be somewhat of a winner.

How a number of guys who havent done squat ahead of him doesnt seem right.

 
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What has Cutler done to deserve such praise? His 4500 yard season was not even that good from an efficiency standpoint. He had a +7 TD/INT differential which is pretty poor for a full season (18 INTs is never good), especially for someone who is supposedly a "great" QB. Kyle Orton, who doesn't have Scheffler or Brandon Marshall, is on pace for 4800 yards, 29 TDs, 9 INTs. In a worse offense. Cutler is really not that great and I don't get why people think he's good. When I watch him play I'm always ready for his next boneheaded mistake. I always try to start the defense he's playing against - last week it payed off as I started DeAngelo Hall & the Washington defense and was rewarded as usual for his blunders.Freeman and Sanchez are far better than he is. They can actually play well under pressure, and in Freeman's case, thrive. Sanchez is showing massive improvement from year one while Cutler hasn't progressed at all his whole career, and is even regressing if that's possible. Freeman is winning games on his own. Sanchez is becoming a great game manager. Cutler is still throwing picks and getting sacked constantly. He's leading the league in sacks with 27 so far. Bad, bad, bad.
 
valhallan said:
Phlash said:
Anyone who doesn't have Freeman in their top 3 doesn't watch real football. That guy is a comeback god even though his team is average. He's pulled them to a 4-2 record with very average players on offense around him. He already have 5 come from behind victories in less than a season's worth of games started. That's unbelievable.
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:goodposting: Everytime I see Freeman, I come away impressed. If I were an NFL GM, I'd want them in this order:

Bradford

Freeman

Sanchez

Ryan

Flacco
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:lmao: No one gets how good he is until they watch him play. He's going to be excellent. If I was a Tampa fan I'd be excited for this year and their immediate future.
 
Bob Magaw said:
tangfoot said:
Bob Magaw said:
rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...
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Lately, they do.In the prior two seasons, 3 rookie QBs have taken their teams to the playoffs. You could make the argument that it was more of a "team" effort, but gone are the days when a rookie QB immediately translates to a 2-14 season.FWIW, Ryan and Flacco are both at least a tier ahead of Bradford -right now-. If we are comparing them after Bradford has completed two full seasons, we may say something different, but both of those other two guys are leading their teams into prime SB contention. That means more to me than Bradford's stats across 6 games of a rookie season, and let's face it, the Rams aren't getting into the playoffs this year.
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1) if you are going to go by record and playoff contention... does that make sanchez #1?2) hypothetically, if bradford and flacco switched place, but teams had same records over six games, would bradford than be "better" than flacco?3) if rams beat CAR (won first game sunday), they will be 4-4 with 8 games to go... who is the powerhouse/juggernaut in the NFC west that gives them no chance to win the division... SEA? they already beat... ARI? nearly beat opening week... SF? has one win. i agree it isn't *likely*, but i wouldn't assume it isn't possible, as you seem to suggest.4) look at the respective teams skill position weapons... other than steven jackson, who stacks up favorably with counterparts in ATL & BAL... but the receiving weapons aren't comparable...5) clearly flacco and sanchez benefited (and continue to) from playing for BAL & NYJ... ryan less obvious, he was a top 3 pick... but ATL had been a playoff team more recently than the rams prior to bradfords selection...
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1) I said that Ryan and Flacco are LEADING their teams into potentially deep playoff runs. Sanchez isn't leading the Jets, he's their Trent Dilfer.2) No. 3) Seattle will win the NFC West, St. Louis is not a wild card team.4) When did this become a discussion about the surrounding talent? I thought it was about who's a better QB.5) I don't disagree with this. Fact of the matter is that all three of those other QBs have playoff victories under their belt and are further along than Bradford is. I'm not saying Bradford won't catch/surpass them over the course of his career, but I answered the question "who is the top QB", not "who is the top QB Prospect".
 
Ryan

Flacco

- both are doing very well but have talent around them to help make them look good

Freeman

Bradford

- in a couple years, these two will be on top of the NFL, hard to judge them right now but the potential is huge

Cutler

VY

- bipolar QBs R us. Both of these guys look great at times, both look atrocious at times. I think both will improve still but they might be the QBs that get a team to the playoffs and then blow it. Cutler reminds me too much of Jake Plummer

Sanchez

Stafford

- Sanchez is a game manager and I don't see much else. But, this will work well for the Jets, he's not quite Troy Aikman but he could be. Stafford I'm just not sold on, I don't know why

 
btw, the surprising thing IMO is the lack of later drafted QBs to be successful so far. Kolb has shown something but he's about it. Not that we expect it out of years 1-3, to have nobody later than a 1st in five years to show much yet, surprises me.

ETA: oops, missed Henne somehow. Okay, one guy.

 
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tangfoot said:
Bob Magaw said:
tangfoot said:
Bob Magaw said:
rookie QBs don't usually look like this (dam marino looked like a 10 year vet as a rookie, in a class by himself)...
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Lately, they do.In the prior two seasons, 3 rookie QBs have taken their teams to the playoffs. You could make the argument that it was more of a "team" effort, but gone are the days when a rookie QB immediately translates to a 2-14 season.FWIW, Ryan and Flacco are both at least a tier ahead of Bradford -right now-. If we are comparing them after Bradford has completed two full seasons, we may say something different, but both of those other two guys are leading their teams into prime SB contention. That means more to me than Bradford's stats across 6 games of a rookie season, and let's face it, the Rams aren't getting into the playoffs this year.
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1) if you are going to go by record and playoff contention... does that make sanchez #1?2) hypothetically, if bradford and flacco switched place, but teams had same records over six games, would bradford than be "better" than flacco?3) if rams beat CAR (won first game sunday), they will be 4-4 with 8 games to go... who is the powerhouse/juggernaut in the NFC west that gives them no chance to win the division... SEA? they already beat... ARI? nearly beat opening week... SF? has one win. i agree it isn't *likely*, but i wouldn't assume it isn't possible, as you seem to suggest.4) look at the respective teams skill position weapons... other than steven jackson, who stacks up favorably with counterparts in ATL & BAL... but the receiving weapons aren't comparable...5) clearly flacco and sanchez benefited (and continue to) from playing for BAL & NYJ... ryan less obvious, he was a top 3 pick... but ATL had been a playoff team more recently than the rams prior to bradfords selection...
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1) I said that Ryan and Flacco are LEADING their teams into potentially deep playoff runs. Sanchez isn't leading the Jets, he's their Trent Dilfer.2) No. 3) Seattle will win the NFC West, St. Louis is not a wild card team.4) When did this become a discussion about the surrounding talent? I thought it was about who's a better QB.5) I don't disagree with this. Fact of the matter is that all three of those other QBs have playoff victories under their belt and are further along than Bradford is. I'm not saying Bradford won't catch/surpass them over the course of his career, but I answered the question "who is the top QB", not "who is the top QB Prospect".
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Flacco in the playoffs:
In five post-season games, Joe Flacco has an abysmal rating of 46.5. He has completed 57 of 120 passes (47.5%) for 660 yards. The Baltimore signal caller has thrown one touchdown and six interceptions. The Ravens are 3-2 in these games. The defense and a powerful ground game were able to mask a horrific 4-10, 34 yard, 1 INT performance vs. the New England Patriots in January.Flacco has yet to pass for 200 yards in the post-season. He has had two games with ratings under 20 and two games with ratings under 60.
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Probably the worst playoff QB ever. Gimme Jake Delhomme over him.
 
tangfoot said:
1) I said that Ryan and Flacco are LEADING their teams into potentially deep playoff runs. Sanchez isn't leading the Jets, he's their Trent Dilfer.
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Jets strength may be defense and running, but that by no means makes Sanchez a placeholder like Dilfer was.I'm not the hugest Aikman fan in the world, he's overrated due to some SB wins, but if I were to compare Sanchez role on the Jets to anyone, it would be the role Aikman played on the Cowboys. And that's light years ahead of Dilfer on the Ravens.

 
Bradford:

Pass completion rate of 56.2%

TD/INT ratio of 1.12

Passer rating of 71.4

on a team that was 1-15 previous season

PManning:

Pass completion rate of 56.7%

TD/INT ratio of .93

Passer rating of 71.3

on a team that was 3-13 previous season

The similarities are remarkable, if nothing else. I'm not saying anything, just one of those things that makes me go hmmm...

 
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toppshelff said:
Bradford:

Pass completion rate of 56.2%

TD/INT ratio of 1.12

Passer rating of 71.4

on a team that was 1-15 previous season

PManning:

Pass completion rate of 56.7%

TD/INT ratio of .93

Passer rating of 71.3

on a team that was 3-13 previous season

The similarities are remarkable, if nothing else. I'm not saying anything, just one of those things that makes me go hmmm...
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Different era.Average passer rating has jumped 6 points since 1998.

 
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