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#1 monkeysee

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:16 PM

I really think I am through with fantasy football unless it is a league run with League Safe. The commish collected 15k in fees for the FOG/Presidential Suite dynasty leagues and doesn't have a dime of the money to pay out at the end of the season. He paid out winnings last season, smart move considering he added more leagues the following season. Gain some trust, collect more cash. He claims he will pay every cent back, but I know better. Lesson learned.

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Also - I know emotions are high. But understand up front, talk about physically threatening people will mean you won't be posting here anymore. Keep it to facts that you know and don't make claims as fact when you don't know what you're saying to be a fact.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:18 PM

Ouch. How much was the entry?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:21 PM

Ouch. How much was the entry?

I would guess around 300+ on average for all the leagues. 6 different leagues.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:24 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:24 PM

Shake his ### down.

Edited by CompetitiveEdgeFootball, 05 January 2011 - 03:26 PM.

dude///u give insihjtful answers...



Man CEF is fishing the heck out of you guys.



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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:25 PM

:wub:

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:31 PM

Ouch! Well let that be a lesson to us all.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:31 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:31 PM

Ya know.... there's lots of ways to find people using the internet.

dude///u give insihjtful answers...



Man CEF is fishing the heck out of you guys.



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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:31 PM

What would it take for personal accounts to be garnished? Any legal gurus? I don't think a guy with nothing, will be coming up with 15G anytime soon. That sucks.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:31 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

I have an address. No phone.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:33 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

So Cal area.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:33 PM

Hmm, I live in the SoCal area. Whereabouts? Which county?

Edited by Dr. Awesome, 05 January 2011 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:34 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

The Gronk.


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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:38 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

Lots of things. Paging David Dodds.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:38 PM

Hmm, I live in the SoCal area. Whereabouts? Which county?

Have the address at work I think. Will have it tomorrow.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:39 PM

Sadly, it seems we are hearing of more and more crap like this these days. I'm sure the state of the economy has a lot to do with this. Sucks for our game though, as there is A LOT of "blind trust" that is given every season. I was a part of a smaller FFL site (moderator), and one of the Admin's had been commishing leagues for years. Nothing major (mostly $100 leagues). Well last season he added a $350 league (along with his handful of other leagues). Basically stiffed everybody (including myself) for the tune of nearly 7K. Gave a BS story.......went in and wiped every league page clean (leagues run at MFL). No trace of anything, besides copies of e-mails I kept from this scumbag. Deleted his e-mail, changed his cell #, ect, ect. Considered the guy a "friend" (if there is such a thing in cyberspace). Really made me take a step back and rethink my position when playing FFL for $$$. Needless to say, I cut my leagues WAY back this season. I know just how you feel.........it still leaves a lump in my gut when I think about it.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:40 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

Lots of things. Paging David Dodds.

Like what? I suppose getting him in trouble with his work, if he organized any of this on the clock. But doing something stupid to recover a $300 gambling debt is more questionable than giving a stranger $300 in the first place.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:41 PM

Yeah kinda makes it seem like an even better idea to just play in the leagues with the knuckleheads from work. Not only do they typically suck at this, but you can get ahold of them easy if they decide to try anything shady! :bowtie:

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Man CEF is fishing the heck out of you guys.



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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:45 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

If there is a Dodds bat signal, this is it.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:46 PM

Whoever did the garnishing wasvery happy as that is probably all the money he had to his name.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:47 PM

:goodposting:
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:57 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

Lots of things. Paging David Dodds.

Like what? I suppose getting him in trouble with his work, if he organized any of this on the clock. But doing something stupid to recover a $300 gambling debt is more questionable than giving a stranger $300 in the first place.

I think you hit the nail on the head regarding work. Anything under four digits I would probably forget about it. If he lives local, he could mow your lawn for the next decade.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:03 PM

Sadly, it seems we are hearing of more and more crap like this these days. I'm sure the state of the economy has a lot to do with this. Sucks for our game though, as there is A LOT of "blind trust" that is given every season. I was a part of a smaller FFL site (moderator), and one of the Admin's had been commishing leagues for years. Nothing major (mostly $100 leagues). Well last season he added a $350 league (along with his handful of other leagues). Basically stiffed everybody (including myself) for the tune of nearly 7K. Gave a BS story.......went in and wiped every league page clean (leagues run at MFL). No trace of anything, besides copies of e-mails I kept from this scumbag. Deleted his e-mail, changed his cell #, ect, ect. Considered the guy a "friend" (if there is such a thing in cyberspace). Really made me take a step back and rethink my position when playing FFL for $$$. Needless to say, I cut my leagues WAY back this season. I know just how you feel.........it still leaves a lump in my gut when I think about it.

:goodposting: This guy had me fooled as well. I would like to beleive him when he says he will pay out what he owes, but like someone mentioned, a guy that is stuck 15k and has none of it, isn't likely to come up with it anytime soon. I feel bad for so many. I plan on discussing the matter in person. I want to know his plan is for paying what he owes. The ole "I promise to pay back every cent." just isn't cutting it for me right now. Especially when I have 1500+ coming to me.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:12 PM

:goodposting:

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:25 PM

Tough pill to swallow for sure. I had a feeling when he hadn't been to the site in 8 days and was not updating us much on playoff picture, etc. that something might be up.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:30 PM

Whoa. Scary.

Not so much.

Public records search by state

Public record search by name - some good free info - lots of info for pay

Address search by name

Property values and ariel views by address

If you have decent cross reference skills you kind find most anything about anything.

Oh... and Google.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

I'm in PRES ii and this is very frustrating. I feel we're entitled to know every detail of what happened to our money. I'm only out $125 (75 deposit from year one, 50 deposit from year two). I never felt comfortable with the deposit thing and to boot he only lists his first name (Aquil) on the league site. That should have been a warning right there. If I had to guess (without knowing) I would say he either gambled all the money away, or had this planned all along, or lost it some other way. Like I said, we're entitled to know. Not so sure about the garnishing excuse either, but even if that's true it doesn't get him off the hook for what he owes. I came in 2nd last year and he did pay me, so if paying out winnings last year was a way to get more players, then that was clever. Again, I don't know that for sure, all I know is these leagues are in trouble. In the leagues I commish I keep all league funds in my PayPal Acct and not a bank acct. I've been a commissioner for many years and have NEVER not paid out league winnings. I don't mix league money with my money and that's something Aquil should have done. I've got his phone numbers and oak_assassin email address, which are probably not valid anymore.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

Where does he live? Someone on here has to live close enough to find him.

What could you do without going to jail?

Apply a little pressure? Make him an offer he can't refuse?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

It's the one and only Kremenull of Shark Pool fame

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:03 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

It's the one and only Kremenull of Shark Pool fame

OMG. That guy is the BIGGEST piece of ####. He used to be in a league or two of mine. I'm going to check my emails (I never delete anything) and see if by chance I have any bio/address info on him.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:04 PM

These scumbags need to be outed publicly so they don't get the opportunity to do this again to other unsuspecting ff players. Names, addresses, id on this site and others, aliases, etc. There should be a running list of known deadbeats.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:16 PM

So far all I found was an email he used when he played in one of my dynasty leagues in 2007. oak_assassin@yahoo.com Since he was a registered user here, surely a FBG staff can get his IP, info right?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:22 PM

So far all I found was an email he used when he played in one of my dynasty leagues in 2007. oak_assassin@yahoo.com Since he was a registered user here, surely a FBG staff can get his IP, info right?

I can see why they'd be reluctant to share that information.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:22 PM

add in Chris Bruce who ran the Brucezone. Ran off with quite a bit of money, although he didnt hide and did pay out "as much as he could" this year, still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth

 

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:23 PM

So far all I found was an email he used when he played in one of my dynasty leagues in 2007. oak_assassin@yahoo.com Since he was a registered user here, surely a FBG staff can get his IP, info right?

I think he's from Oakland.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:23 PM

So far all I found was an email he used when he played in one of my dynasty leagues in 2007. oak_assassin@yahoo.com Since he was a registered user here, surely a FBG staff can get his IP, info right?

Old IP addresses are probably useless aside from identifying his service provider. It takes a good deal of court orders to get internet providers to research who had what IP at a given time. If the case becomes criminal it might provide useful, but otherwise you need something current if you had some way of doing something with the address.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:27 PM

just found another email for this POS. allan_fern@yahoo.com

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:28 PM

just found another email for this POS. allan_fern@yahoo.com

Well, that's supposedly his buddy. Unless it's an alias. But I think it's his buddy. He lives out in Cali too. Goes by RoyDubb on this board, I think.

Edited by BeTheMatch, 05 January 2011 - 05:29 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:30 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

It's the one and only Kremenull of Shark Pool fame

The phonetic spelling of "criminal" should have been a clue.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:30 PM

:hot:

Sorry son, but I don't have to dumb down The Sport just so noobs like you have a chance at keeping up.

I play in a $4,000 entry, Super-WCOFF, triple-reverse, double down, mirror league with a modified PPFDR base 8 scoring system, and we just held our draft in July. For the 2013 season. You think Matt Barkley getting the start in USC is news? I drafted him after studying up on him, after he signed his letter of intent, last year. You think that maybe going with a WR in the first two rounds instead of back-to-back RBs is somehow new thinking in fantasy? Well, do you have the balls to do what I did this year when I didn't take my first RB until the fourth round (Roderick Smith, Harding High School of Indiana)? You've probably never even heard of Martavis Bryant, Kyle Prater, or Darius White, yet not only did I draft them this year to form my future WR core, I've also started referring to them by fantasy board nicknames (Super Mart, KPrater, & DoubleDarius). Hell, guys like you are going to be the poor schmucks who are searching this board five years from now for info on some great RB you just heard of out of the middle of nowhere in Alaska, and the FBG search result box is going to come up with this very post, where I brag about nabbing Isaiah Weeks of the Monroe Catholic Rams at the 25.32/26.01 turn a full two months before he lit up Delta Junction for 193 yards/2 TDs or Ketchikan for 183 rushing yards, 55 rec yards, & 2 TDs. You'll be wondering about his durability and I'll remember a phone call I made back when you were just hearing the name "Knowshon Moreno" for the first time to the kid's doctor in Fairbanks about the sprain he suffered in his left ankle in 2008.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:32 PM

Do you have his contact information? Can you call him?

It's the one and only Kremenull of Shark Pool fame

The phonetic spelling of "criminal" should have been a clue.

:hot: :hot:

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:33 PM

He has made posts on fftodayforums, fantasyfootballcafe forums, RTsports, and of course here. Perhaps SOMEONE in one of his leagues has his full address, phone, info?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:34 PM

just found another email for this POS. allan_fern@yahoo.com

Well, that's supposedly his buddy. Unless it's an alias. But I think it's his buddy. He lives out in Cali too. Goes by RoyDubb on this board, I think.

He used that email when he was in my league, its him. This guy probably plays in leagues with multiple teams...what a d'bag.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:34 PM

He has made posts on fftodayforums, fantasyfootballcafe forums, RTsports, and of course here. Perhaps SOMEONE in one of his leagues has his full address, phone, info?

I found his full name, and people are "looking into it"

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:34 PM

So far all I found was an email he used when he played in one of my dynasty leagues in 2007.

oak_assassin@yahoo.com

Since he was a registered user here, surely a FBG staff can get his IP, info right?

Old IP addresses are probably useless aside from identifying his service provider. It takes a good deal of court orders to get internet providers to research who had what IP at a given time. If the case becomes criminal it might provide useful, but otherwise you need something current if you had some way of doing something with the address.

Isn't stealing $15k a felony?

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:34 PM

Looks like ill be in 2 less dynasty leagues next year. Laaame :hot: The only positive is i didnt win either league so i dont have any money coming my way. Still pissed, i liked both teams...

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:34 PM

just found another email for this POS. allan_fern@yahoo.com

Well, that's supposedly his buddy. Unless it's an alias. But I think it's his buddy. He lives out in Cali too. Goes by RoyDubb on this board, I think.

He used that email when he was in my league, its him. This guy probably plays in leagues with multiple teams...what a d'bag.

I always kind of suspected that. "They" traded all the time.

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:35 PM

He has made posts on fftodayforums, fantasyfootballcafe forums, RTsports, and of course here. Perhaps SOMEONE in one of his leagues has his full address, phone, info?

I found his full name, and people are "looking into it"

:hot: Great job!

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 05:37 PM

I'm in one of his leagues too. I don't care about losing my $100 or whatever it was, but this is a pretty widespread shakedown affecting a lot of people on this site. I'd like to see the guy brought to justice. He started A LOT of leagues this past season. Usually with a high number of teams and a fairly high buy in ($100-200). Do the math and you can see that he stands to make in excess of $10k. This kind of behavior shouldn't surprise anyone who has ever read a history book, but it's disgusting all the same. Any lawyers out there? What are our options? I'm willing to throw in some money to track this POS down. I would encourage all of the other victims to do the same.




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