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#1 Nugget

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:15 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

Sinrman
QB: Jay Cutler , David Garrard
RB: Adrian Peterson , Joseph Addai , Tim Hightower , John Kuhn , Leon Washington
WR: Miles Austin , DeSean Jackson , Julio Jones , Malcolm Floyd , Jacoby Jones , Jericho Cotchery , Anthony Gonzalez
TE: Tony Gonzalez , Todd Heap
K,D: Chargers DST , Rob Bironas , Jason Hansen , Broncos DST

Joffer
QB: Sam Bradford , Ryan Fitzpatrick
RB: Arian Foster , Peyton Hillis , Fred Jackson , Toby Gerhardt , Jerome Harrison
WR: Dwayne Bowe , Arrelious Benn , Mike Sims Walker , Danario Alexander , Brian Hartline , Jason Avant
TE: Owen Daniels , John Carlson , Andrew Quarless
K,D: Ravens DST , Stephen Gostowski , Olindo Mare , Panthers DST

Broadway G
QB: Matthew Stafford , Kevin Kolb , Joe Webb
RB: Chris Johnson , Knowshon Moreno , Reggie Bush , Cadillac Williams , Javon Ringer
WR: Santonio Holmes , Kenny Britt , Jordan Shipley , Robert Meachem , Steve Breaston , Josh Morgan
TE: Dallas Clark , Joel Dreesen
K,D: Matt Bryant , Adam Vinateri , Lions DST , Rams DST

Restless Natives
QB: Joe Flacco , Matt Hasselback
RB: Maurice Jones Drew , Matt Forte , Marshawn Lynch , Clinton Portis , Kevin Smith
WR: Wes Welker , Sidney Rice , Mark Clayton , Emmanual Sanders , Roy Williams , Brandon Tate , Bryant Johnson
TE: Dustin Keller , Greg Olsen
K,D: Eagles DST , Sebastian Janikowski , Cardinals DST , Graham Gano

David Yudkin
QB: Ben Roethliserger , Tim Tebow , Chad Henne
RB: Jamaal Charles , LeGarrette Blount , Mikel Leshoure , Mike Goodson
WR: Steve Johnson , Steve Smith (NYG) , Danny Amendola , Anthony Armstrong , Derrick Mason , Brian Robiskie . Roscoe Parish
TE: Antonio Gates , Anthony Fasano
K,D: Cowboys DST , Josh Scobee , Rian Lindell , Bills DST

Domination
QB: Matt Ryan , Jason Campbell
RB: Ray Rice , Shonn Greene , Tashard Choice , Daniel Thomas , Dion Lewis
WR: Larry Fitzgerald , Mike Wallace , Steve Smith (CAR) , Randy Moss , Dexter McCluster , Darius Heyward Bey , Titus Young
TE: Kellen Winslow , Jared Cook
K,D: Patriots DST , Saints DST , Garrett Hartley , David Buehler

Nugget
QB: Eli Manning , Mark Sanchez
RB: LeSean McCoy , CJ Spiller , Thomas Jones , Marion Barber , Chester Taylor
WR: Reggie Wayne , Brandon Marshall , Chad Ocho-Johnson , Jerome Simpson , TJ Houshmanzedah , Seyi Ajirotutu
TE: Chris Cooley , Tony Moeaki , Fred Davis
K,D: Raiders DST , 49ers DST , Neil Rackers , Matt Prater

Team Legacy
QB: Phillip Rivers , Charlie Whitehurst
RB: Felix Jones , Ryan Grant , Brandon Jacobs , Ryan Williams
WR: Roddy White , Percy Harvin , Mike Thomas , Jacoby Ford , Eddie Royal , Brandon LaFell , Deion Butler
TE: Jermichael Finley , Jacob Tamme
K,D: Bears DST , Robbie Gould , Redskins DST , Jeff Reed , Browns DST

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QB: Peyton Manning , Shaun Hill , Tavaris Jackson
RB: Rashard Mendenhall , Mark Ingram , Michael Bush , Rashard Jennings , Justin Forsett , Isaac Redman
WR: Mike Williams , Dez Bryant , Mike Williams (SEA) , Terrell Ownes , Louis Murphy
TE: Heath Miller , Jermaine Gresham
K,D: Falcons DST , Nate Kaeding , LaawrenceTynes , Bengals DST

Football Critic
QB: Tom Brady , Donovan McNabb
RB: Ahmad Bradshaw , DeAngelo Williams , Montario Hardesty , Bernard Scott , Anthony Dixon , Joe McKnight
WR: Andre Johnson , Michael Crabtree , Braylon Edwards , Hines Ward , Nate Washington , Devery Henderson
TE: Brandon Pettigrew , Vishanthe Shiancoe
K,D: Steelers DST , Bucanneers DST , Jay Feely , John Kasay

Redzone
QB: Tony Romo , Kyle Orton , Matt Flynn
RB: Benjarvus Green Ellis , Ryan Torrain , Chris Ivory , Jason Snelling , Roy Helu
WR: Hakeem Nicks , Vincent Jackson , Davone Bess , Chaz Shillens , Josh Cribbs , Ben Obomanu
TE: Mercedes Lewis , Michael Hoomanawanui
K,D: Jets DST , Josh Brown , Connor Barth , Jaguars DST

CommuterMan
QB: Aaron Rodgers , Marc Bulger , Jimmy Clausen
RB: Ryan Matthews , Beanie Wells , Pierre Thomas , DeMarco Murray
WR: Greg Jennings , Anquan Boldin , Austin Collie , AJ Green , Demaryious Thomas , Jonathan Baldwin , Eric Decker
TE: Zach Miller , Brent Celek
K,D: Giants DST , Mason Crosby , Billy Cundiff , Colts DST

Pictus Cat
QB: Matt Schaub , Colt McCoy
RB: Steven Jackson , Jonathan Stewart , Darren Sproles , Mewelde Moore
WR: Calvin Johnson , Mario Manningham , Santana Moss , Deion Branch , Earl Bennett , Donald Driver , Blair White , Andre Roberts
TE: Aaron Hernandez , Kevin Boss
K,D: David Akers , Ryan Succop , Texans DST , Dolphins DST

ShadowMaster
QB: Drew Brees , Cam Newton , Blaine Gabbert
RB: Jahvid Best , Cedric Benson , LaDanian Tomlinson , Ronnie Brown , Donald Brown , Ricky Williams
WR: Marques Colston , Johnny Knox , Lance Moore , Jabar Gafney , Devin Hester , Kevin Walter
TE: Jason Witten , Jeremy Shockey
K,D: Nick Folk , Titans DST , Alex Henry

oldfatguy
QB: Michael Vick , Josh Freeman
RB: Michael Turner , Danny Woodhead , James Stark , Ben Tate , Jacquizz Rodgers
WR: Jeremy Maclin , Pierre Garcon , Nate Burleson , Jordy Nelson , Mohammad Massaquoi , David Gettis , Golden Tate
TE: Rob Gronkowski , Ben Watson
K,D: Packers DST , Chiefs DST , Shaun Suisham , Ryan Longwell

Kruppe
QB: Matt Cassel , Carson Palmer , Vince Young
RB: Frank Gore , Darren McFadden , Mike Tolbert , Willis McGahee
WR: Brandon Lloyd , James Jones , Lee Evans , Plaxico Burress , Donnie Avery , Michael Jenkins , Patrick Crayton
TE: Vernon Davis , Jimmy Graham
K,D: Vikings DST , Dan Carpenter , Seahawks DST , Phil Dawson

Edited by Nugget, 19 February 2011 - 10:12 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:16 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

If there was a draft to talk about, lol :lmao:

Edited by Football Critic, 25 January 2011 - 12:17 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:06 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

If there was a draft to talk about, lol ;)

This way you can voice your thoughts here rather than there. I'm subscribed to that thread, and everytime anyone posts I get an email. When I get that email I'm very excited, because I know there is going to be a nice, shiny pick in that thread. I look forward to seeing that new pick. If I get there and find it was just someone whining about the lack of a pick, I'm doubly disappointed. There is no pick and I stopped working to read a whiny post. TIA.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:39 PM

1.01 Sinrman- Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB1 1.02 Joffer- Arian Foster, HOU, RB2 1.03 Broadway G- Chris Johnson, Ten, RB3 1.04 Restless Natives- MJD, Jax, RB4 1.05 David Yudkin- Jamaal Charles, KC, RB5 1.06 Domination- Ray Rice, Bal, RB6 1.07 Nugget- LeSean McCoy, Phi, RB7 1.08 Team Legacy- Roddy White, Atl, WR1 1.09 Iwannabeacowboybaby!- Rashard Mendenhall, Pit, RB8 1.10 The Future Champs- 1.11 Football Critic- 1.12 Redzone- 1.13 CommuterMan- 1.14 Pictus Cat- 1.15 ShadowMaster- 1.16 oldfatguy- OK, Through pick 9 and it kinda feels like 2009 draft. Minnesota is in a flux, with an unsure QB situation, return of Rice at WR, and the coaching fiasco of last year. Has that hampered AD's development? esprit de corps? etc? I don't know if he is a number one pick in a ppr draft. He is a phenomenal talent and I want to see him succeed, and can't disrespect the pick. He will perform in top ten for RBs and that is a solid grab for any of the first three or four RBs. Arian Foster, fantastic young talent, but something about the Texans offense always seems to diappoint as a team. Again, a sure top ten RB, so a solid pick. Chris Johnson, incredible again, but the Titans are pretty much washing their hands of Vince, and Collins is a journeyman - nothing more or less. If there was any significant air threat, he would probably have the top spot. Top ten, and will have best game some week, but he is lower in the top ten "feels like" scale than above. MJD, should be a top ten for sure, especially if Jags continue to develop. He seems to get overused, so I would be concerned about an 18 game season with him. Still, for a ppr, can't discount this pick. Jamaal - tremendously productive for the touches, but will he figure in for more work? T Jones is ageless, and McCluster will get more work. Whether the KC air game improves or not, Jamaal's value is entirely limited by opportunity. Would love to see him get 60% of touches this year. Great ppr back, so good pick. Might have grabbed a couple different options ahead of him. Ray Rice, Ravens will post a great offense next year and if the defense can give offense time of possession and lead most games, ground game will be key. Rice is MJD, matter of fact, not sure I have seen the two at the same time. Kind of like Michael and Janet Jackson. Top ten man, could be number one. Anyone know of McGahee's status for next year? Affected Red zone touches for RR. He is ppr gold. Lesean, I saw great runs by this guy, good hands, and pretty fair production several games. He is no RR or MJD, and it remains to be seen how the Eagles respond to the way defenses were able to pressure Vick late in the season. Don't know if I am certain he is a top ten, but there is little competition in the backfield. Roddy White, fantastic first WR off the board. He is a solid start to a ppr team. No reason he should not do as well next year. Great QB, great running game, and great talent. It will depend somewhat on the emergence of a true WR2 on the Falcons, especially as Gonzo must face the reality of aging. Mendenhall has had a terrific post-season, and the return of Ben helps all the Steelers. I don't know if he is a top ten sure thing, like McCoy, due to the receiving options in Pitt. Also, he took a long time tying up the short yardage role this season. Could see competition for the red zone next year perhaps? Hope this helps spark some commentary throughout the draft.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:04 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

If there was a draft to talk about, lol :blackdot:

This way you can voice your thoughts here rather than there. I'm subscribed to that thread, and everytime anyone posts I get an email. When I get that email I'm very excited, because I know there is going to be a nice, shiny pick in that thread. I look forward to seeing that new pick. If I get there and find it was just someone whining about the lack of a pick, I'm doubly disappointed. There is no pick and I stopped working to read a whiny post. TIA.

Sorry to disappoint u, but maybe you should take note, as I look back at last years WSL3 thread, this league is the slowest and it is not close. Plus pointing out that this is moving slow, is no reason for an attitude, is it not?
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:09 PM

1.01 Sinrman- Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB1 1.02 Joffer- Arian Foster, HOU, RB2 1.03 Broadway G- Chris Johnson, Ten, RB3 1.04 Restless Natives- MJD, Jax, RB4 1.05 David Yudkin- Jamaal Charles, KC, RB5 1.06 Domination- Ray Rice, Bal, RB6 1.07 Nugget- LeSean McCoy, Phi, RB7 1.08 Team Legacy- Roddy White, Atl, WR1 1.09 Iwannabeacowboybaby!- Rashard Mendenhall, Pit, RB8 1.10 The Future Champs- 1.11 Football Critic- 1.12 Redzone- 1.13 CommuterMan- 1.14 Pictus Cat- 1.15 ShadowMaster- 1.16 oldfatguy- OK, Through pick 9 and it kinda feels like 2009 draft. Minnesota is in a flux, with an unsure QB situation, return of Rice at WR, and the coaching fiasco of last year. Has that hampered AD's development? esprit de corps? etc? I don't know if he is a number one pick in a ppr draft. He is a phenomenal talent and I want to see him succeed, and can't disrespect the pick. He will perform in top ten for RBs and that is a solid grab for any of the first three or four RBs. Arian Foster, fantastic young talent, but something about the Texans offense always seems to diappoint as a team. Again, a sure top ten RB, so a solid pick. Chris Johnson, incredible again, but the Titans are pretty much washing their hands of Vince, and Collins is a journeyman - nothing more or less. If there was any significant air threat, he would probably have the top spot. Top ten, and will have best game some week, but he is lower in the top ten "feels like" scale than above. MJD, should be a top ten for sure, especially if Jags continue to develop. He seems to get overused, so I would be concerned about an 18 game season with him. Still, for a ppr, can't discount this pick. Jamaal - tremendously productive for the touches, but will he figure in for more work? T Jones is ageless, and McCluster will get more work. Whether the KC air game improves or not, Jamaal's value is entirely limited by opportunity. Would love to see him get 60% of touches this year. Great ppr back, so good pick. Might have grabbed a couple different options ahead of him. Ray Rice, Ravens will post a great offense next year and if the defense can give offense time of possession and lead most games, ground game will be key. Rice is MJD, matter of fact, not sure I have seen the two at the same time. Kind of like Michael and Janet Jackson. Top ten man, could be number one. Anyone know of McGahee's status for next year? Affected Red zone touches for RR. He is ppr gold. Lesean, I saw great runs by this guy, good hands, and pretty fair production several games. He is no RR or MJD, and it remains to be seen how the Eagles respond to the way defenses were able to pressure Vick late in the season. Don't know if I am certain he is a top ten, but there is little competition in the backfield. Roddy White, fantastic first WR off the board. He is a solid start to a ppr team. No reason he should not do as well next year. Great QB, great running game, and great talent. It will depend somewhat on the emergence of a true WR2 on the Falcons, especially as Gonzo must face the reality of aging. Mendenhall has had a terrific post-season, and the return of Ben helps all the Steelers. I don't know if he is a top ten sure thing, like McCoy, due to the receiving options in Pitt. Also, he took a long time tying up the short yardage role this season. Could see competition for the red zone next year perhaps? Hope this helps spark some commentary throughout the draft.

CJ2K at 3 is a steal, I believe a few better options are out there at WR that were better then Roddy, but its so close, that its a matter of taste. LeSeans production this year and ability to catch out of the backfield makes him a top 3 in this format on my board. I still feel there is much risk with taking foster that early, but again, its a matter of taste as he is still a talented player. I was on him early back in 09 as i started him in the playoffs, when he fumbled then got pulled, maybe still bitter, lol.

Edited by Football Critic, 25 January 2011 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:13 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

If there was a draft to talk about, lol :blackdot:

This way you can voice your thoughts here rather than there. I'm subscribed to that thread, and everytime anyone posts I get an email. When I get that email I'm very excited, because I know there is going to be a nice, shiny pick in that thread. I look forward to seeing that new pick. If I get there and find it was just someone whining about the lack of a pick, I'm doubly disappointed. There is no pick and I stopped working to read a whiny post. TIA.

Sorry to disappoint u, but maybe you should take note, as I look back at last years WSL3 thread, this league is the slowest and it is not close. Plus pointing out that this is moving slow, is no reason for an attitude, is it not?

I'm comfortable with that. That is why I get an email when there is a post in that thread. That way I don't click over and view the thread to find out that no pick has been made and we want to discuss feelings or baking or something else. That is what this thread is for. When you post in this thread about slow the draft is, great. When you post in the other thread, attitude. It is a simple formula.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:52 PM

Let's try to keep commentary here and picks over there.

If there was a draft to talk about, lol :homer:

This way you can voice your thoughts here rather than there. I'm subscribed to that thread, and everytime anyone posts I get an email. When I get that email I'm very excited, because I know there is going to be a nice, shiny pick in that thread. I look forward to seeing that new pick. If I get there and find it was just someone whining about the lack of a pick, I'm doubly disappointed. There is no pick and I stopped working to read a whiny post. TIA.

Sorry to disappoint u, but maybe you should take note, as I look back at last years WSL3 thread, this league is the slowest and it is not close. Plus pointing out that this is moving slow, is no reason for an attitude, is it not?

I'm comfortable with that. That is why I get an email when there is a post in that thread. That way I don't click over and view the thread to find out that no pick has been made and we want to discuss feelings or baking or something else. That is what this thread is for. When you post in this thread about slow the draft is, great. When you post in the other thread, attitude. It is a simple formula.

That I understand, and there was not a thread.... but why can't people be a little kinder on this board? I dont get it I guess.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 06:45 AM

Many of us have done these drafts for several years. Things will pick up once it settles down and we get rolling. I see many familiar names so we'll be good to go
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 06:47 AM

I will disclose why I took white later in the draft.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 07:47 AM

with the future champ gone, i volunteer to take on that role.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:18 AM

Love the turn with Gore and McFadden. With both in the Bay area, you are guarenteed not to have them on the same bye week. Very strong start.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:42 AM

In reference to Critic.... I agree that Kruppe should not be on a 4 hr clock, as he did not time out. I did ask Bass, but if we as a group agree, I think we can just give him his deserved 8 hrs.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 09:44 AM

In reference to Critic.... I agree that Kruppe should not be on a 4 hr clock, as he did not time out. I did ask Bass, but if we as a group agree, I think we can just give him his deserved 8 hrs.

8 hours is the way to go. I'm guessing he'll never get close to using it.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:16 PM

In reference to Critic.... I agree that Kruppe should not be on a 4 hr clock, as he did not time out. I did ask Bass, but if we as a group agree, I think we can just give him his deserved 8 hrs.

8 hours is the way to go. I'm guessing he'll never get close to using it.

I'm sure most agree. He dont deserve to start short handed, and have a fair chance at 8 hours, as even tho I am all for speeding things along, fair is always the best wat to go. And for the record, I hope nobody even needs 4 hours, but things do come up. FWIW: As this is my first year, with the research of looking at WSL1, WSL2 from this year and last and WSL3 from last year, the average pick is 1.35 picks a day (roughly), so at the very least we all should make at the least 1 pick a day, if the pace is well. Its day 3, and most made just 1 pick, this is just for motivation, please dont take this as a complaint.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:48 PM

1.01 Sinrman- Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB1 1.02 Joffer- Arian Foster, HOU, RB2 1.03 Broadway G- Chris Johnson, Ten, RB3 1.04 Restless Natives- MJD, Jax, RB4 1.05 David Yudkin- Jamaal Charles, KC, RB5 1.06 Domination- Ray Rice, Bal, RB6 1.07 Nugget- LeSean McCoy, Phi, RB7 1.08 Team Legacy- Roddy White, Atl, WR1 1.09 Iwannabeacowboybaby!- Rashard Mendenhall, Pit, RB8 1.10 The Future Champs- 1.11 Football Critic- 1.12 Redzone- 1.13 CommuterMan- 1.14 Pictus Cat- 1.15 ShadowMaster- 1.16 oldfatguy- OK, Through pick 9 and it kinda feels like 2009 draft. Minnesota is in a flux, with an unsure QB situation, return of Rice at WR, and the coaching fiasco of last year. Has that hampered AD's development? esprit de corps? etc? I don't know if he is a number one pick in a ppr draft. He is a phenomenal talent and I want to see him succeed, and can't disrespect the pick. He will perform in top ten for RBs and that is a solid grab for any of the first three or four RBs. Arian Foster, fantastic young talent, but something about the Texans offense always seems to diappoint as a team. Again, a sure top ten RB, so a solid pick. Chris Johnson, incredible again, but the Titans are pretty much washing their hands of Vince, and Collins is a journeyman - nothing more or less. If there was any significant air threat, he would probably have the top spot. Top ten, and will have best game some week, but he is lower in the top ten "feels like" scale than above. MJD, should be a top ten for sure, especially if Jags continue to develop. He seems to get overused, so I would be concerned about an 18 game season with him. Still, for a ppr, can't discount this pick. Jamaal - tremendously productive for the touches, but will he figure in for more work? T Jones is ageless, and McCluster will get more work. Whether the KC air game improves or not, Jamaal's value is entirely limited by opportunity. Would love to see him get 60% of touches this year. Great ppr back, so good pick. Might have grabbed a couple different options ahead of him. Ray Rice, Ravens will post a great offense next year and if the defense can give offense time of possession and lead most games, ground game will be key. Rice is MJD, matter of fact, not sure I have seen the two at the same time. Kind of like Michael and Janet Jackson. Top ten man, could be number one. Anyone know of McGahee's status for next year? Affected Red zone touches for RR. He is ppr gold. Lesean, I saw great runs by this guy, good hands, and pretty fair production several games. He is no RR or MJD, and it remains to be seen how the Eagles respond to the way defenses were able to pressure Vick late in the season. Don't know if I am certain he is a top ten, but there is little competition in the backfield. Roddy White, fantastic first WR off the board. He is a solid start to a ppr team. No reason he should not do as well next year. Great QB, great running game, and great talent. It will depend somewhat on the emergence of a true WR2 on the Falcons, especially as Gonzo must face the reality of aging. Mendenhall has had a terrific post-season, and the return of Ben helps all the Steelers. I don't know if he is a top ten sure thing, like McCoy, due to the receiving options in Pitt. Also, he took a long time tying up the short yardage role this season. Could see competition for the red zone next year perhaps? Hope this helps spark some commentary throughout the draft.

My No.1 pick would be Arian Foster. I think he's the real deal, his coach is coming back and I see no reason why he doesn't duplicate a similiar season to this year's. At no. 2 I like Chris Johnson. I think he bounces back but not to the point of 2 years ago. No. 3 I like ADP. He's still the guy that will make Minnesota go on offense. I could see him regress a little this upcoming year but he's still a solid choice. At 4 and 5 you have MJD and Jamaal Charles. MJD is solid but is scary he didn't play those last 2 games with the season on the line. Not having more information about him it makes him a scary top 5 pick IMO. Jamaal Charles is great and may put up a lot of points per game. However, as I watched that Baltimore game in the playoffs, he really slows down after he gets hit hard a few times. That game made me wonder if he has the durability to last 16 or 18 games season if he was The Guy. RBBC may be best for his career. Ray Rice- I really expected more from this guy. I thought if he was healthy he'd be a lock as a top 3 guy in PPR but he wasn't not even close. What happens if he isn't healthy this year, how far down does he drop? I understand picking him top 10 but I almost feel it's off 2 years ago. LeSean McCoy- I was really impressed with mcCoy. He is the perfect compliment to Vick. He runs screen plays, can shake n bake and also gets goaline carries. There aren't many backs that can do what McCoy brings to the table or at least aren't given the chance and that's all that really matters. At this point I'm all for going WR1....but who is that? Roddy White was selected but I'm not sure he's the guy. I hate being the 1st guy to pick into a tier of about 3 to 5. I think Roddy is fine but I always wish I was drafting back a few spots when I take a guy who's 1st in that Tier, makes me feel lilke I'm missing out a little. I then picked Mendenhall. Don't love the pick but he finished top 7 overall at RB in this format this past year and if he can do that again I'm happy with that. I picked a guy who shows durability and Pittsburgh who will have Big Ben all season next year, he should be a top 10 guy or very close to it. I'll need more to compliment him but he should be the type of guy who helps me survive. Andre Johnson- Probably my No. 1 pick. He had some problems staying healthy but he's still the most dangerous IMO in his offense. Reggie Wayne- A good WR but I don't think he's a 1st round pick. Greg Jennings- Solid pick and a good player. I don't think he'll get as many Td's next year with Finley back, probably 8-10 rather than 12. Jason Witten- TE is very important in this format with 2 points per reception but I almost feel Witten was TE1 this past season by defeault. I think the Cowboys try and run the ball more next year. If you look at rushing attempts after Garrett took over versus before there's a noticeable difference. That may mean Witten blocks a little more if they improve the defense, which forced them into passing in some of those games. Still a very good player. Mike Vick- I could never draft him in the 1st round because I don't believe he can stay healthy 16 or 18 games. I think he's a guy who will get you a ton of points per week but there will be several weeks he's out which in this format that could kill you, especially if your QB is picked in the 1st round. If I'm wrong, Vick will score a ton of points. The turn was Gore and McFadden- Both solid picks and present a lot of upside but they also miss games due to being dinged. If McFadden stays healthy he's a top 5 guy in this format and Gore a top 10. That's a big IF though as both of these guys didn't finish the season.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 03:02 PM

1.01 Sinrman- Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB1 1.02 Joffer- Arian Foster, HOU, RB2 1.03 Broadway G- Chris Johnson, Ten, RB3 1.04 Restless Natives- MJD, Jax, RB4 1.05 David Yudkin- Jamaal Charles, KC, RB5 1.06 Domination- Ray Rice, Bal, RB6 1.07 Nugget- LeSean McCoy, Phi, RB7 1.08 Team Legacy- Roddy White, Atl, WR1 1.09 Iwannabeacowboybaby!- Rashard Mendenhall, Pit, RB8 1.10 The Future Champs- 1.11 Football Critic- 1.12 Redzone- 1.13 CommuterMan- 1.14 Pictus Cat- 1.15 ShadowMaster- 1.16 oldfatguy- OK, Through pick 9 and it kinda feels like 2009 draft. Minnesota is in a flux, with an unsure QB situation, return of Rice at WR, and the coaching fiasco of last year. Has that hampered AD's development? esprit de corps? etc? I don't know if he is a number one pick in a ppr draft. He is a phenomenal talent and I want to see him succeed, and can't disrespect the pick. He will perform in top ten for RBs and that is a solid grab for any of the first three or four RBs. Arian Foster, fantastic young talent, but something about the Texans offense always seems to diappoint as a team. Again, a sure top ten RB, so a solid pick. Chris Johnson, incredible again, but the Titans are pretty much washing their hands of Vince, and Collins is a journeyman - nothing more or less. If there was any significant air threat, he would probably have the top spot. Top ten, and will have best game some week, but he is lower in the top ten "feels like" scale than above. MJD, should be a top ten for sure, especially if Jags continue to develop. He seems to get overused, so I would be concerned about an 18 game season with him. Still, for a ppr, can't discount this pick. Jamaal - tremendously productive for the touches, but will he figure in for more work? T Jones is ageless, and McCluster will get more work. Whether the KC air game improves or not, Jamaal's value is entirely limited by opportunity. Would love to see him get 60% of touches this year. Great ppr back, so good pick. Might have grabbed a couple different options ahead of him. Ray Rice, Ravens will post a great offense next year and if the defense can give offense time of possession and lead most games, ground game will be key. Rice is MJD, matter of fact, not sure I have seen the two at the same time. Kind of like Michael and Janet Jackson. Top ten man, could be number one. Anyone know of McGahee's status for next year? Affected Red zone touches for RR. He is ppr gold. Lesean, I saw great runs by this guy, good hands, and pretty fair production several games. He is no RR or MJD, and it remains to be seen how the Eagles respond to the way defenses were able to pressure Vick late in the season. Don't know if I am certain he is a top ten, but there is little competition in the backfield. Roddy White, fantastic first WR off the board. He is a solid start to a ppr team. No reason he should not do as well next year. Great QB, great running game, and great talent. It will depend somewhat on the emergence of a true WR2 on the Falcons, especially as Gonzo must face the reality of aging. Mendenhall has had a terrific post-season, and the return of Ben helps all the Steelers. I don't know if he is a top ten sure thing, like McCoy, due to the receiving options in Pitt. Also, he took a long time tying up the short yardage role this season. Could see competition for the red zone next year perhaps? Hope this helps spark some commentary throughout the draft.

My No.1 pick would be Arian Foster. I think he's the real deal, his coach is coming back and I see no reason why he doesn't duplicate a similiar season to this year's. At no. 2 I like Chris Johnson. I think he bounces back but not to the point of 2 years ago. No. 3 I like ADP. He's still the guy that will make Minnesota go on offense. I could see him regress a little this upcoming year but he's still a solid choice. At 4 and 5 you have MJD and Jamaal Charles. MJD is solid but is scary he didn't play those last 2 games with the season on the line. Not having more information about him it makes him a scary top 5 pick IMO. Jamaal Charles is great and may put up a lot of points per game. However, as I watched that Baltimore game in the playoffs, he really slows down after he gets hit hard a few times. That game made me wonder if he has the durability to last 16 or 18 games season if he was The Guy. RBBC may be best for his career. Ray Rice- I really expected more from this guy. I thought if he was healthy he'd be a lock as a top 3 guy in PPR but he wasn't not even close. What happens if he isn't healthy this year, how far down does he drop? I understand picking him top 10 but I almost feel it's off 2 years ago. LeSean McCoy- I was really impressed with mcCoy. He is the perfect compliment to Vick. He runs screen plays, can shake n bake and also gets goaline carries. There aren't many backs that can do what McCoy brings to the table or at least aren't given the chance and that's all that really matters. At this point I'm all for going WR1....but who is that? Roddy White was selected but I'm not sure he's the guy. I hate being the 1st guy to pick into a tier of about 3 to 5. I think Roddy is fine but I always wish I was drafting back a few spots when I take a guy who's 1st in that Tier, makes me feel lilke I'm missing out a little. I then picked Mendenhall. Don't love the pick but he finished top 7 overall at RB in this format this past year and if he can do that again I'm happy with that. I picked a guy who shows durability and Pittsburgh who will have Big Ben all season next year, he should be a top 10 guy or very close to it. I'll need more to compliment him but he should be the type of guy who helps me survive. Andre Johnson- Probably my No. 1 pick. He had some problems staying healthy but he's still the most dangerous IMO in his offense. Reggie Wayne- A good WR but I don't think he's a 1st round pick. Greg Jennings- Solid pick and a good player. I don't think he'll get as many Td's next year with Finley back, probably 8-10 rather than 12. Jason Witten- TE is very important in this format with 2 points per reception but I almost feel Witten was TE1 this past season by defeault. I think the Cowboys try and run the ball more next year. If you look at rushing attempts after Garrett took over versus before there's a noticeable difference. That may mean Witten blocks a little more if they improve the defense, which forced them into passing in some of those games. Still a very good player. Mike Vick- I could never draft him in the 1st round because I don't believe he can stay healthy 16 or 18 games. I think he's a guy who will get you a ton of points per week but there will be several weeks he's out which in this format that could kill you, especially if your QB is picked in the 1st round. If I'm wrong, Vick will score a ton of points. The turn was Gore and McFadden- Both solid picks and present a lot of upside but they also miss games due to being dinged. If McFadden stays healthy he's a top 5 guy in this format and Gore a top 10. That's a big IF though as both of these guys didn't finish the season.

:shock: I believe that Andre is a top 6 pick, and would have picked him if I was at 6 or later as I was, as I truly only like 5 runners to put up production that is better then his. He catches a beastly amount of passes, gets a ton of yards, and puts up around 10 tds on the reg. If a draft was not a typical always take runner draft, u may see this guy go way sooner. To compare him to others including runners, I'll use YPG, as injuries effected him some this year, and we all know he will catch passes and get his tds.... Foster 101.0 MJD 94.6 Andre 93.5 Charles 91.7 Lloyd 90.5 Only players averaging 90+ yards a game.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 06:45 AM

Alright, whos throwing bombs at the Brady pick? lol
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 07:34 AM

Alright, whos throwing bombs at the Brady pick? lol

I didn't, but I will. I suspect Brady will not throw for as many TD but will throw 3 times as many INT next year. Just the way the ball bounces, I'm afraid. NE may look to make a RB upgrade early in the draft and really be a balanced attack next year. I don't think Brady is a horrible pick, but probably too early given that I see his fantasy point total closer to 09 than 10. Brady will need to get back the 100 attempts he dropped off and/or a lot more yardage to make up the difference. Based on that, IMO, I see some better drafting options still available, so as I see it a round too early (at a minimum). But that's just me looking at things for my team and the way I want to put my team together . . .
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 08:09 AM

I think you're right David butkeep in mind in WSL Qb's always go earlier than normal because of so many unknowns? Who's starting for Denver? Who's starting for Oakland? Who's starting for SF? The list goes on and on and then you throw in injury factors to the guys you think may start, a guy like P Manning is pretty strong in this format. I won't lose because I picked Peyton Manning as Qb 5, it'll be because of some other pick. If you are willing to just wait and throw some darts later, and you hit then obviously that's the making of a strong team. I look forward to seeing how the QB position plays out and will be seeing what QB I want next.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 08:15 AM

After analyzing depth at positions, my draft slot and scoring format, I decided my first 2 picks would be WR and QB. The question was, do I go QB/WR or WR/QB. I took a risk and went WR/QB and it almost bit me as I wanted to ensure one of those big hitters.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 08:29 AM

After analyzing depth at positions, my draft slot and scoring format, I decided my first 2 picks would be WR and QB. The question was, do I go QB/WR or WR/QB. I took a risk and went WR/QB and it almost bit me as I wanted to ensure one of those big hitters.

While I have gone QB @ 6, I was hoping to get one in the 2nd. I have had VERY bad luck with my QBs in WSL if I don't go early. No choice but to change it up now, and hope my luck changes. With it being so early in the offseason, it is always nice to land an elite and secure talent at a high scoring position. Bring on that vaunted duo of Skelton & Tebow!!!

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:05 AM

So far so good. Reggie Wayne @ 26th overall made my day. I am surprised by the QB run but it did not affect my strategy. I want to hear more about the Hakeem Nicks/Vincent Jackson start. No risk aversion there.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:16 AM

I use to pick Brady in the first round and actually did well in SSL drafting until the year he broke his leg, or rather it was broken for him. It seems every year during Twilight's summaries though that teams drafting QB high don't do so well. Brady would not have been there at 3.09 so if you wanted him, you had to pick in the second. No shame in that. I probably grabbed V Jackson a round early, but I think he and Nicks will give two stud WR as a solid core for the team. Last year was a good WR/WR year, this year, not so much with fewer RB options. Have to admit though, my SSL1 team made it to the finals based upon my later round picks (Vick, S Johnson, D Branch) as much my early round picks. There is always give and take, go strong and long in one position, and you have at least another that is very weak. Try to balance and you end up vanilla and risk never having an explosive scorer that might carry a week. Brady will have many good games, especially with Woodhead in the backfield. If he stays healthy, he won't have a week killer and that is valuable. Second round valuable? Only time will tell. He is settled with a great contract, owner support, fair WR, great TE, Woodhead and a solid line. As well as effective coaching. Nothing not to love, you can decide for yourself if Giselle should be part of that last comment.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:36 AM

I use to pick Brady in the first round and actually did well in SSL drafting until the year he broke his leg, or rather it was broken for him. It seems every year during Twilight's summaries though that teams drafting QB high don't do so well. Brady would not have been there at 3.09 so if you wanted him, you had to pick in the second. No shame in that. I probably grabbed V Jackson a round early, but I think he and Nicks will give two stud WR as a solid core for the team. Last year was a good WR/WR year, this year, not so much with fewer RB options. Have to admit though, my SSL1 team made it to the finals based upon my later round picks (Vick, S Johnson, D Branch) as much my early round picks. There is always give and take, go strong and long in one position, and you have at least another that is very weak. Try to balance and you end up vanilla and risk never having an explosive scorer that might carry a week. Brady will have many good games, especially with Woodhead in the backfield. If he stays healthy, he won't have a week killer and that is valuable. Second round valuable? Only time will tell. He is settled with a great contract, owner support, fair WR, great TE, Woodhead and a solid line. As well as effective coaching. Nothing not to love, you can decide for yourself if Giselle should be part of that last comment.

Nicks went too early. Jackson went way too early. From my experience, WR is the easiest position to make up scoring in these types of leagues for a number of reasons. I can't comment on the guys you have at other spots because you don't have any yet, but I suspect you may be behind the 8 ball there. We'll find out after the season is over, and hopefully you will prove me wrong. That's why they play the games, as they say . . .
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:43 AM

So far so good. Reggie Wayne @ 26th overall made my day. I am surprised by the QB run but it did not affect my strategy. I want to hear more about the Hakeem Nicks/Vincent Jackson start. No risk aversion there.

It is a bit dicey, I was hoping to catch Andre Johnson and match him to Nicks or VJackson, but such is the draw. Giants running game seem to fade, at least as far as A Bradshaw's role. Brandon was disgruntled the whole season, and Eli really is not as bad as he seems. Nicks, when healthy, was fantasy gold last year and came back from a significant injury/surgery showing a determination to play. I like that. Smith may not be there next year, and that will affect things, but the Giants may hold onto him, depending upon his injury and recovery status. Really helped Nicks. None of the other WR fill Nicks role and Eli has trust and dependence upon him in key and red zone situations. I am comfortable with the pick, he will likely be a top five, maybe top three WR. VJackson would have been there at round 3 unless others have been paying attention. He is better rested than all other WR, will be handsomely contracted next year regardless, and has the tools to be the dominant WR1 where ever he lands, Houston and Arizona exempted from that comment. If he remains in San Diego, and I hope he will, he will be teamed up with Rivers, and they had a 100+ yard/3 TD game second game back. VJackson's size and experience make him a lower risk than others that may have been taken going WR/WR. Given the options, there were about ten picks that were comparable, including all positions, but those two as WR1 and WR2 should provide some solid base scores most weeks. Picking up from 1.09 1.10 Andre Johnson - elite, consistent WR1 how gets a lot of targets/receptions. Emergence of Foster ate into production some, as well as Daniels slow return and lack of play by Walters and Jones to draw off coverage. This year should be as good or better than last. No complaints except that I wanted this pick. 1.11 Hakeem Nicks - see above 1.12 Greg Jennings - seemed like he was a high production/low opportunity player this year from the little I saw. The Packers have a dependable RB finally in Starks, so that will help, but will Driver's age start to catch up with him? Isn't Jones a free agent? Finley will return. Hard to say if I would see Jennings being a top five WR next year. May not even be a top ten, but again, time will tell. Respectable WR, but at this position, he would have been there in second round I believe. Not super excited about this one, but only my opinion. 1.13 Steven Jackson, greatly respect this man and athlete. He has remained a player on one of the worst franchises for two years prior to 2010. Bradshaw is incredible based upon his rookie performance. If he can continue to develop and StL WR can stay healthy, grabbing a dominant WR1, SJackson should have more room to run. I have chosen to stay away based upon wear and tear and history of back surgery. Yet, he still produces. On a good or great team, he would have been on par with Priest or LT in his prime. No problem having him in first round, great ppr back. 1.14 Jason Witten - dependable, productive TE who is rarely/never injured. Will continue to be a top four TE based upon his durability and role in Dallas O. Return of Romo should only improve his 2010 numbers. He would have been there at second round for this pick I believe. 1.15 Michael Vick. Will be a point monster unless the lessons of the last few weeks where he was shut down relatively are not faced by O Line coach in Phi. Someone had to take him in the first because he would be gone at any point in the second. Nice pick, he has matured, I hope he serves as a lesson/role model for youth involved in gang activity or dog-fighting. I would have liked to have seen his anti-dogfighting be more prominent and his salary docked at 10% to some animal charity based upon his past. Hard to forget that. Maybe he has done that and I just don't know. I'll be open to seeing him continue to mature. Shame to have lost some exciting years of play from him. 1.16 Frank Gore, if he comes back unimpaired by his injury, fantastic pick. Will be following his recovery over the off season. Hard to depend upon an unknown, but we all know he is a beast on the field healthy. I wish him good health. by the way, welcome Kruppe and thanks for pitching in. Second round to follow
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:46 AM

I use to pick Brady in the first round and actually did well in SSL drafting until the year he broke his leg, or rather it was broken for him. It seems every year during Twilight's summaries though that teams drafting QB high don't do so well.

Brady would not have been there at 3.09 so if you wanted him, you had to pick in the second. No shame in that. I probably grabbed V Jackson a round early, but I think he and Nicks will give two stud WR as a solid core for the team. Last year was a good WR/WR year, this year, not so much with fewer RB options. Have to admit though, my SSL1 team made it to the finals based upon my later round picks (Vick, S Johnson, D Branch) as much my early round picks.

There is always give and take, go strong and long in one position, and you have at least another that is very weak. Try to balance and you end up vanilla and risk never having an explosive scorer that might carry a week.

Brady will have many good games, especially with Woodhead in the backfield. If he stays healthy, he won't have a week killer and that is valuable. Second round valuable? Only time will tell. He is settled with a great contract, owner support, fair WR, great TE, Woodhead and a solid line. As well as effective coaching. Nothing not to love, you can decide for yourself if Giselle should be part of that last comment.

He didnt have one this year either, but still did well. He is a safe consistant pick, who plays thru injury (With exception to the Knee). In the early rounds i learned, you want to be as safe as possible....and lets face it Manning, rodgers, brady, Brees, Rivers, and Vick if he plays a lot of games, are all the same in theory.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:48 AM

I use to pick Brady in the first round and actually did well in SSL drafting until the year he broke his leg, or rather it was broken for him. It seems every year during Twilight's summaries though that teams drafting QB high don't do so well. Brady would not have been there at 3.09 so if you wanted him, you had to pick in the second. No shame in that. I probably grabbed V Jackson a round early, but I think he and Nicks will give two stud WR as a solid core for the team. Last year was a good WR/WR year, this year, not so much with fewer RB options. Have to admit though, my SSL1 team made it to the finals based upon my later round picks (Vick, S Johnson, D Branch) as much my early round picks. There is always give and take, go strong and long in one position, and you have at least another that is very weak. Try to balance and you end up vanilla and risk never having an explosive scorer that might carry a week. Brady will have many good games, especially with Woodhead in the backfield. If he stays healthy, he won't have a week killer and that is valuable. Second round valuable? Only time will tell. He is settled with a great contract, owner support, fair WR, great TE, Woodhead and a solid line. As well as effective coaching. Nothing not to love, you can decide for yourself if Giselle should be part of that last comment.

Nicks went too early. Jackson went way too early. From my experience, WR is the easiest position to make up scoring in these types of leagues for a number of reasons. I can't comment on the guys you have at other spots because you don't have any yet, but I suspect you may be behind the 8 ball there. We'll find out after the season is over, and hopefully you will prove me wrong. That's why they play the games, as they say . . .

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:27 PM

I use to pick Brady in the first round and actually did well in SSL drafting until the year he broke his leg, or rather it was broken for him. It seems every year during Twilight's summaries though that teams drafting QB high don't do so well.

Brady would not have been there at 3.09 so if you wanted him, you had to pick in the second. No shame in that. I probably grabbed V Jackson a round early, but I think he and Nicks will give two stud WR as a solid core for the team. Last year was a good WR/WR year, this year, not so much with fewer RB options. Have to admit though, my SSL1 team made it to the finals based upon my later round picks (Vick, S Johnson, D Branch) as much my early round picks.

There is always give and take, go strong and long in one position, and you have at least another that is very weak. Try to balance and you end up vanilla and risk never having an explosive scorer that might carry a week.

Brady will have many good games, especially with Woodhead in the backfield. If he stays healthy, he won't have a week killer and that is valuable. Second round valuable? Only time will tell. He is settled with a great contract, owner support, fair WR, great TE, Woodhead and a solid line. As well as effective coaching. Nothing not to love, you can decide for yourself if Giselle should be part of that last comment.

He didnt have one this year either, but still did well. He is a safe consistant pick, who plays thru injury (With exception to the Knee). In the early rounds i learned, you want to be as safe as possible....and lets face it Manning, rodgers, brady, Brees, Rivers, and Vick if he plays a lot of games, are all the same in theory.

All true and I think we agreed above. Hey, Tom Brady and Andre Johnson, can't cry about having those two stars. I'll have to ask twilight about the succes rate of teams by rounds drafted for qb1. His stat reporting really impresses me, perhaps to my detriment.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:49 PM

Hanging my hat on Dallas Clark at TE is probably not a good idea, lol. I succumbed to the siren's call of 2ppr.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:53 PM

Hanging my hat on Dallas Clark at TE is probably not a good idea, lol. I succumbed to the siren's call of 2ppr.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:16 PM

Hanging my hat on Dallas Clark at TE is probably not a good idea, lol. I succumbed to the siren's call of 2ppr.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 06:43 PM

I am quite happy w/ my first 3 picks. I think the combination of Rice, Fitz, & Wallace offer a nice mix of consistancy and high potential. Although I will admit that I really like Nugget's pick of BMarshall, as that is who's name I had originally typed. Btw, great job today guys. It was nice to get this thing moving, & hopefully it is a sign of things to come. This is a good group, & I am enjoying the differing opinions.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 07:36 PM

I think you're right David butkeep in mind in WSL Qb's always go earlier than normal because of so many unknowns? Who's starting for Denver? Who's starting for Oakland? Who's starting for SF? The list goes on and on and then you throw in injury factors to the guys you think may start, a guy like P Manning is pretty strong in this format. I won't lose because I picked Peyton Manning as Qb 5, it'll be because of some other pick. If you are willing to just wait and throw some darts later, and you hit then obviously that's the making of a strong team. I look forward to seeing how the QB position plays out and will be seeing what QB I want next.

I understand the value of QBs in this format and league size. I just think Brady went a little too soon. I ended up taking Roethlisberger (who apparently is worthy of a 13 page thread in the Shark Pool because he's better than Brady). Some will say that taking Ben where I took him was too early, but he's been an excellent fantasy QB when he keeps his pants on. It may surprise people to know that across the past two seasons, the Top 5 QBs in terms of fantasy ppg were: 1 Aaron Rodgers 24.25 2 Drew Brees 22.60 3 Peyton Manning 21.61 4 Ben Roethlisberger 21.52 5 Philip Rivers 21.08
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 08:21 PM

I think you're right David butkeep in mind in WSL Qb's always go earlier than normal because of so many unknowns? Who's starting for Denver? Who's starting for Oakland? Who's starting for SF? The list goes on and on and then you throw in injury factors to the guys you think may start, a guy like P Manning is pretty strong in this format. I won't lose because I picked Peyton Manning as Qb 5, it'll be because of some other pick. If you are willing to just wait and throw some darts later, and you hit then obviously that's the making of a strong team. I look forward to seeing how the QB position plays out and will be seeing what QB I want next.

I understand the value of QBs in this format and league size. I just think Brady went a little too soon. I ended up taking Roethlisberger (who apparently is worthy of a 13 page thread in the Shark Pool because he's better than Brady). Some will say that taking Ben where I took him was too early, but he's been an excellent fantasy QB when he keeps his pants on. It may surprise people to know that across the past two seasons, the Top 5 QBs in terms of fantasy ppg were: 1 Aaron Rodgers 24.25 2 Drew Brees 22.60 3 Peyton Manning 21.61 4 Ben Roethlisberger 21.52 5 Philip Rivers 21.08

I don't have stats to back it up, but it feels like Roth is much more volatile than the others on that list, meaning in Survivor, you want consistency, rather than spikes up and down. Still a great QB and you should be better at the QB position than half the teams in this league with a decent backup.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:20 AM

Mike Williams looks like the next big thing. The bigger question to me is can Freeman take the next step.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:36 AM

Mike Williams looks like the next big thing. The bigger question to me is can Freeman take the next step.

I like Tampa Mike ALOT, and own him as much as possible. I would probably have taken him, if not for Wallace still being on the board. I have more faith in Big Ben, than Freeman at this point. But I think if Freeman can just maintain and not regress, MWill will take himself to the next level. Talent has never been an issue, it's just a matter of him keeping himself out of trouble.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 08:38 AM

Two fantastic 3rd round QBs to snag in Schaub and Romo. I personally put them right there in that tier with the best of the best.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 01:33 PM

Two fantastic 3rd round QBs to snag in Schaub and Romo. I personally put them right there in that tier with the best of the best.

I think they're about where they should be. I mean, if Arian Foster is the NO. 1 RB, there's only so many Td's so I don't think Schaub's a top 5 fantasy QB and Foster a No. 1 or 2 RB. Romo has been solid but he is coming off that injury. The Cowboy's line is aging and the Qb's behind that line are taking shots. I also think Dallas will try and run the ball next year with Garrett as the coach which may effect is numbers a little bit.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 01:38 PM

I'm going to try to respond to the round two picks, unless I get interrupted 2.01 Darren McFadden, clearly emerged this year to his full potential and then some. I think the situation that allowed him to succeed to the level he did should remain static, so he is easily a top RB2. Going RB/RB at the turn does open up some uncertainty in other positions, but Gore and DMC are solid and provide a good core. There was a rumor of a passing game in San Fran towards the end of the season, be interesting to see if that affects Gore. Westbrook did very well for his age/injury history/mileage, but should not challenge. Show me a better RB/RB tandem this year in WSL3 and I will be impressed. Have to really draft well for other positions. 2.02 Micheal Turner, a quality person and a workhorse. When he is healthy, he is a pretty sure 10 points weekly, but absence in passing game affects his ppr value. Vick and Turner, not bad at all. If both perform at peak, will be tough to match. 2.03 Drew Brees, wow, Witten and Brees. Witten was the "last man standing" among elite TE this year, and has always been durable. Romo's return, no change in running personnel, and an attitude to show this year was not a real Cowboys year should make for good production again. 2ppr for TE makes him a high value prospect. Brees, produces points, that is for sure. I think this year was hard for Brees with all the commercials, filming is exhausting. I would like to see all NFL players stay away from advertising until retirement. I hope Brees does well, they never use Chase Daniels, who I think was drafted to keep Drew's arm fresh during camp and practice. I see a scramble to catch up in other spots, but these guys are durable and very very good. 2.04 Calvin Johnson, man I wish he was in San Diego or New England. Guy is the best physical receiver right now, but he is a Lion. A WR analogy to Barry Sanders. Great career that could have been position defining. Will want to see if Stafford's arm has lost power, speed, or distance from injury this year. With Steven Jackson, two of the best players at there positions needing more support from their teams. Probably drafted both in right spot, just have to see if they get a good situation or will face defenses keying solely on them. 2.05 Aaron Rodgers with Greg Jennings from the first round. Risky, but could double up if they click. I tend to avoid depending on a QB1/WR1 from the same team. Rodgers has the tools, but I think he may lose one or two of his WR this year. Will that help Jennings or allow defenses to cover him more focusedly? Return of Finley may also detract from Jennings opportunities but will aid Rodgers. That said, Rodgers is composed, makes good decisions, has good corps around him, defense will keep offense on the field, all factors suggesting success this coming season. I like Rodgers here better than Jennings in the first to be honest. 2.06 I discussed my Nicks/VJackson pick earlier. Take his stats and extend them for a full year, greatness. Will be playing for a big dollar contract somewhere, San Diego learned of their need for him, and Gates is showing some wear and tear. I hope he stays in SD, but will be a producing, scoring WR1 wherever. 2.07 Tom Brady, this has been discussed too. Brady and AJ. Wouldn't need 9 other guys on the field so a good pick. 2.08 Peyton Manning, the QB run begins. Perhaps the steadiest and most durable of all QB. Probably would have picked him over Brady given the choice. I wish Garcon was Marvin Jr, but Collie and Gonzalez, along with return of Clark and emergence of Tamme give him a ton of targets beyond Wayne he remains at peak ability. Mendenhall, I don't know if I place him as high as many, but really like Manning once the QBs start to fall. Wish QBs would stay on the board another round sometimes. 2.09 Phillip Rivers, if Gates is healthy, VJackson returns and he continues the pace he had this year, he is golden. Along with Roddy White, solid, actually excellent start. 2.10 Reggie Wayne, I traded him away the year Marvin retired thinking he would not be able to be a true 1 instead of a 1B. I was wrong. McCoy and Wayne, this group drafts well. Should be some high scores next year. 2.11 Larry Fitzgerald, along with Ray Rice. Would have been very frustrating in 2010, perhaps banking on a return to mean? No idea who will be throwing to him, running game is still questionable. Defense is not dominant in AZ. I scratched Fitz figuring he would go higher than I would want to take him. High talent players but situation and this year's play makes for high risk. 2.12 Antonio Gates, a player who defines the modern TE, but is 30 with chronic foot problems. He served as WR1 this year, but if VJackson reappears, then he might face better coverage. If VJackson traded away, I see lower production for Gates actually. Tolbert as a short-yardage guy adds a component to the ground game in SD that hasn't been there recently. I think this may have been a round premature. 18 game season could really wear him down too. 2.13 Matt Forte, I saw more from him during playoffs than during season. Taylor seemed the better back some games this season. Young, talented, good hands. I just don't know though. As an RB2, can't question it, but only if he gets a greater percentage of carries and ground game is more effective in Chicago. 2.14 Dallas Clark, best TE option in my opinion. He is getting older too, and numerous injuries/concussions have to be taking their toll. Manning obviously loves him and trusts him, so if he is on the field, he is points. Tamme should be relegated to back up, but Indy ran a 2TE game with Ultech(?) that ate into Clark's production one year. 2.15 Dwayne Bowe, don't like the guy. Has the talent, but doesn't seem to have the head or maturity for the game. Cassel seemed to struggle, and there isn't another WR that will soften coverage on him. He might score 3TDs one game, then nothing others. I would hesitate to depend upon him as my WR1. Foster is great at RB1 so some buffer. 2.16 Miles Austin, Bryant was not present first few weeks, then Romo was absent the remaining weeks pretty much. I think he will return to 2009 form and emergence of Bryant should give him some great opportunities. He and AD make a great WR1/RB1 duo. Nice Pick.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:02 PM

2.12 Antonio Gates, a player who defines the modern TE, but is 30 with chronic foot problems. He served as WR1 this year, but if VJackson reappears, then he might face better coverage. If VJackson traded away, I see lower production for Gates actually. Tolbert as a short-yardage guy adds a component to the ground game in SD that hasn't been there recently. I think this may have been a round premature. 18 game season could really wear him down too.

Other than last year and in 2008, Gates has produced as a FIRST round pick in this format: 238, 322, 238, 302, 288, 348, 336. I could care less who else is there to catch the ball, Gates will get his. He's average 20 ppg in this format for 7 years. IIRC, there have been 10-12 seasons of TEs 30+ scoring at least 250 points with 2 PPR. Short of another extended stint out with an injury, I don't see Gates' not hitting that total. He had 238 last year in a little over half a season. I don't see how Clark, who is a year older and coming off a season ending injury, is a better option than Gates. Manning has already shown that he will throw to Wayne, Collie, and Garcon (with White mixed in). He's outproduced Gates 2 times in 7 seasons. Manning threw the ball a whopping 680 times last season. Are you projecting him to throw it even more? What about Tamme? Does he never play after hauling in 67 catches in 11 games?
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:13 PM

Mike Williams looks like the next big thing. The bigger question to me is can Freeman take the next step.

I liked the Mike Williams pick, the only thing I didn't like about him is his lack of receptions compared to his Td's. He is a rookie though and he is playing with a QB who is also young. They now look to have a decent RB as well so as far as I can tell, Mike Williams looks to be a guy who should not take a step backwards unless he's hit with an injury. I expect a slight uptick in receptions next season but I also don't expect as many Td's. I could see him finish in that 8-10 WR range if he stays healthy again next season.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:07 PM

Mike Williams looks like the next big thing. The bigger question to me is can Freeman take the next step.

I liked the Mike Williams pick, the only thing I didn't like about him is his lack of receptions compared to his Td's. He is a rookie though and he is playing with a QB who is also young. They now look to have a decent RB as well so as far as I can tell, Mike Williams looks to be a guy who should not take a step backwards unless he's hit with an injury. I expect a slight uptick in receptions next season but I also don't expect as many Td's. I could see him finish in that 8-10 WR range if he stays healthy again next season.

One of the great mysteries to me is the sophomore slump effect for many WRs over the years. A number of guys did not come close to how they did as a rookie in recent years (Glenn, Boldin, Clayton, Eddie Royal, etc.) Don't know why that is . . .
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:44 PM

well if memory serves me correct this is gonna happen everytime oldfatguy gets on the clock and now he will disappear for hours again even though we r at the corner WAY TO GO OLDFATGUY u sure know how to screw up good momentum every year here we go again
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:50 PM

This is my first time drafting this early in the offseason and first time in a Survivor format so I know I will be making a few mistakes. My first one is drafting 2/4 guys from the same team. I know from Anarchy how big a top TE is with 2ppr so I could not pass on Davis with the big drop off I see after him. I am very unsure of the Lloyd pick with the coaching change, possible QB change and just the fact that he has done absolutely nothing prior to blowing up this year. Still couldn't pass on him with that 2010 stat line. eta. first

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 05:16 PM

This is my time drafting this early in the offseason and first time in a Survivor format so I know I will be making a few mistakes. My first one is drafting 2/4 guys from the same team. I know from Anarchy how big a top TE is with 2ppr so I could not pass on Davis with the big drop off I see after him. I am very unsure of the Lloyd pick with the coaching change, possible QB change and just the fact that he has done absolutely nothing prior to blowing up this year. Still couldn't pass on him with that 2010 stat line.

I was hoping V Davis might fall to me at 4.06. Great pick, he is a physical monster with tremendous athleticism. Despite having been following this board for years, a couple prior to ever registering, I don't have a good feel for some posters/moderators. I know some comments come across as snarky when they are not meant to be, so I try to ignore the tone of posts. That said, I worry about Gates's production, he ended 2009 with foot or ankle problems, spent all of training camp dealing with a problem - can't remember if it was same side or not, then the plantar fasciitis and turf toe this year. He wasn't medically cleared to play in the Pro Bowl this week. He is a large person, and needs the spring to accelerate, jump, and push away defenders. Yes, he is a big part of the rotation for Rivers and gets great yardage after the catch. Clark though is sent on routes designed to utilize him as a receiver rather than a TE it seems. I can't imagine that the other receivers and change in running game dynamics won't affect all players. Tamme did well after Clark's departure, but prior to that, he wasn't even a name ever mentioned. We'll see who does better next year between the two. I will cheer for both as they are classy and hard workers. Regardless of who is the best of the two, both are the best of the best. I hope that if I am wrong, it is only as a matter of degree.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 10:15 PM

well if memory serves me correct this is gonna happen everytime oldfatguy gets on the clock and now he will disappear for hours again even though we r at the corner WAY TO GO OLDFATGUY u sure know how to screw up good momentum every year here we go again

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 07:40 AM

sorry, battling computer virus from hell

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There's a free download version of MALWAREBYTES that I run nightly that does the trick. That frequency seems a little much but it catches something about once every 10 days. I use CA Virus in addition to that program. Between the two of them I've managed to keep virus free for a good while.

Last virus attack appeared to come from a google search and cost $85, and two days, to solve.

I'm sure everyone knows not to pay for the virus program solution that you offered during one of these attacks. It leads to bank account drain in addition to the $85 solution.

Recommend that you don't kill OFG. You could, however, just continue with the blunt force trauma until he get's the idea.
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Posted 01 February 2011 - 04:06 PM

First time I've been really happy so far is getting Bush in the 7th in a 16 team PPR :homer:
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Posted 01 February 2011 - 06:23 PM

First time I've been really happy so far is getting Bush in the 7th in a 16 team PPR :bowtie:

I was disappointed in missing out on Reggie until I realized I could get :confused: 85 :rolleyes:
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