SSL2 discussion thread
#1
Posted 04 May 2011 - 03:59 PM
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#2
Posted 04 May 2011 - 05:24 PM
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 05:59 PM
#4
Posted 04 May 2011 - 09:53 PM
Personally I think the choice would be between AP and Foster.....but if the knock on CJ is new quarterback (or Collins) then why isn't that the same for Peterson? I would choose Foster on the projection that the Texans offense keeps rolling - that the defense doesn't keep them ahead to sit on the ball.
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 02:07 AM
#6
Posted 05 May 2011 - 09:01 AM
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 02:51 PM
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 03:40 PM
#9
Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:57 AM
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#10
Posted 06 May 2011 - 07:21 AM
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#11
Posted 06 May 2011 - 07:53 AM
Like I said before, this maybe the best 16 turn, ever1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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#12
Posted 06 May 2011 - 05:31 PM
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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#13
Posted 06 May 2011 - 05:33 PM
as with most....its only as good as what he is able to follow it up with....and hoping those guys cover the spread he'll lose elsewhere.....Like I said before, this maybe the best 16 turn, ever1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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#14
Posted 06 May 2011 - 07:35 PM
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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Posted 07 May 2011 - 07:39 AM
#16
Posted 07 May 2011 - 10:11 AM
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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please your rolling with the sam thing you did in pdsl. not very risk adverse. Finley is not better than Gates nor will he out perform him on this field this season either. Vick is intereting but risky( we have covered this) Ill friendly wager that rodgers out scores vick next season (2013 probably)
#17
Posted 07 May 2011 - 03:42 PM
same here. Exact same spot as PDSL. I'm forcing myself to draft a little differently though. Pretty happy with the Rice, Rivers, Welker start. I don't know if Welker over Wallace was the right move, but If he is most of the way back, he will be a much more consistent scorer than Wallace imo.
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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please your rolling with the sam thing you did in pdsl. not very risk adverse. Finley is not better than Gates nor will he out perform him on this field this season either. Vick is intereting but risky( we have covered this) Ill friendly wager that rodgers out scores vick next season (2013 probably)
We just have to agree to disagree. I'd love to draft a different team but got stuck in the same selection area with the same rankings.
#18
Posted 08 May 2011 - 04:02 AM
#19
Posted 08 May 2011 - 03:28 PM
Daniel Snyder's Redskins: 68 Wins, 76 Losses...priceless!!!
"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say 'Come and see'. And I looked, and beheld a pale horse, and upon it sat a PALE RIDER, and his name that sat upon the horse was Death...and Hell followed with him." - Revelation 6: 7-8
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Posted 08 May 2011 - 04:23 PM
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Posted 08 May 2011 - 04:31 PM
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#22
Posted 09 May 2011 - 04:15 AM
Then expect the same result...BOUNCED! I like Vick and Finley and both are ranked high, but higher than Arod and Gates?
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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please your rolling with the sam thing you did in pdsl. not very risk adverse. Finley is not better than Gates nor will he out perform him on this field this season either. Vick is intereting but risky( we have covered this) Ill friendly wager that rodgers out scores vick next season (2013 probably)
We just have to agree to disagree. I'd love to draft a different team but got stuck in the same selection area with the same rankings.
Edited by Football Critic, 09 May 2011 - 04:18 AM.
#23
Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:25 AM
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#24
Posted 09 May 2011 - 08:34 AM
Good call on refraining from showing your lack of acumen.Then expect the same result...BOUNCED! I like Vick and Finley and both are ranked high, but higher than Arod and Gates?
I had both Vick and Finley rated higher.1.16 Aaron Rogers 2.01 Antonio Gates with these 2, got to think i got the top 2 at those positions....at the 16th pick....i be happy
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please your rolling with the sam thing you did in pdsl. not very risk adverse. Finley is not better than Gates nor will he out perform him on this field this season either. Vick is intereting but risky( we have covered this) Ill friendly wager that rodgers out scores vick next season (2013 probably)
We just have to agree to disagree. I'd love to draft a different team but got stuck in the same selection area with the same rankings.
ARod > Vick Gates > Finley Nothing to agree to disagree about, this is not even a debate. To get into detail about why ARod is better than Vick and Gates is better than Finley seems pointless, so I'll refrain, lol.
#25
Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:42 AM
#26
Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:59 AM
I think the QB worries are overrated (further comment later) tell us why you are so giddy about Lloyd (and you aren't alone Woody I think he was overdrafted in SSL1 too) when in all likelihood he won't have Orton throwing to him? Agree on Thomas assuming the Dolphins don't resign Brown and RickyA lot of people seemed to be worried about getting shut out of a viable QB...had BSS go QB15/QB16 at the 4/5 turn. I was giddy to see Brandon Lloyd there at WR22, and think D. Thomas has as good a shot as any rookie at significant numbers this year (5.02).
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#27
Posted 09 May 2011 - 12:06 PM
Couple of thoughts: 1) Lloyd was the #1 receiver in fantasy last year, so this isn't like he eeked out a respectable WR15 middling type of season and now we should think there's a good chance he was a one year wonder. Drafting him at WR22 assumes a LOT of regression 2) While I'm not a Tebow fan (at all), I took solace in that for two reasons. A) In Tebow's Week 14-16 stint, Lloyd had 14-263-2...which is right in line with his full season numbers. That would've projected to 75-1397-11 -- nearly identical to what Lloyd produced with Orton under center. B) I don't think the Broncos will enter the season without a decent veteran backup, and if Tebow sucks that backup will come in and helpI think the QB worries are overrated (further comment later) tell us why you are so giddy about Lloyd (and you aren't alone Woody I think he was overdrafted in SSL1 too) when in all likelihood he won't have Orton throwing to him? Agree on Thomas assuming the Dolphins don't resign Brown and RickyA lot of people seemed to be worried about getting shut out of a viable QB...had BSS go QB15/QB16 at the 4/5 turn. I was giddy to see Brandon Lloyd there at WR22, and think D. Thomas has as good a shot as any rookie at significant numbers this year (5.02).
#28
Posted 09 May 2011 - 12:35 PM
Pretty happy to nab Freeman in the 4th as QB12. I should probably check our scoring system, but in many leagues he was top 10 last year. I won't expect him to continue to improve as much as he did between his rookie and 2nd season, but there's no reason to expect a regression. His receivers and RB are young, and the guy is uber-talented. Freeman McCoy, Mathews Jennings If this were dynasty, I'd be dancing. In redraft it still should do well. (so far)Pretty happy with the McCoy, Mathews, Jennings start. Kind of a high risk/reward approach at RB, but both could be top 5. Jennings is a solid stud with over 65/1100 the past 3; he won't score with the elite but you won't find a more solid WR. Helps mitigate the risk at RB. This is a different approach than I've taken in PDSL or WDSL, we'll see if it works.
#29
Posted 09 May 2011 - 01:37 PM
considered Freeman over Bradford with my pick.....went with Bradford hoping McDaniels ruins the running game there like he did and Denver and Bradford chucks it 50 times a game.....Pretty happy to nab Freeman in the 4th as QB12. I should probably check our scoring system, but in many leagues he was top 10 last year. I won't expect him to continue to improve as much as he did between his rookie and 2nd season, but there's no reason to expect a regression. His receivers and RB are young, and the guy is uber-talented. Freeman McCoy, Mathews Jennings If this were dynasty, I'd be dancing. In redraft it still should do well. (so far)Pretty happy with the McCoy, Mathews, Jennings start. Kind of a high risk/reward approach at RB, but both could be top 5. Jennings is a solid stud with over 65/1100 the past 3; he won't score with the elite but you won't find a more solid WR. Helps mitigate the risk at RB. This is a different approach than I've taken in PDSL or WDSL, we'll see if it works.
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#30
Posted 09 May 2011 - 03:31 PM
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#32
Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:56 PM
Your draft is at warp speed compared to SSL4.Blistering pace we're on.
#33
Posted 10 May 2011 - 05:04 AM
I dont really get the complaing, this is a draft in May for a season in limbo. Not every draft will run as smooth as a hand picked one by meBlistering pace we're on.
Edited by bicycle_seat_sniffer, 10 May 2011 - 05:04 AM.
#34
Posted 10 May 2011 - 05:23 AM
John Fox has a history of having a good vetern backup QB on the roster.Couple of thoughts:
I think the QB worries are overrated (further comment later)
A lot of people seemed to be worried about getting shut out of a viable QB...had BSS go QB15/QB16 at the 4/5 turn. I was giddy to see Brandon Lloyd there at WR22, and think D. Thomas has as good a shot as any rookie at significant numbers this year (5.02).
tell us why you are so giddy about Lloyd (and you aren't alone Woody I think he was overdrafted in SSL1 too) when in all likelihood he won't have Orton throwing to him?
Agree on Thomas assuming the Dolphins don't resign Brown and Ricky
1) Lloyd was the #1 receiver in fantasy last year, so this isn't like he eeked out a respectable WR15 middling type of season and now we should think there's a good chance he was a one year wonder. Drafting him at WR22 assumes a LOT of regression
2) While I'm not a Tebow fan (at all), I took solace in that for two reasons. A) In Tebow's Week 14-16 stint, Lloyd had 14-263-2...which is right in line with his full season numbers. That would've projected to 75-1397-11 -- nearly identical to what Lloyd produced with Orton under center. B) I don't think the Broncos will enter the season without a decent veteran backup, and if Tebow sucks that backup will come in and help
#35
Posted 10 May 2011 - 05:33 AM
I know. I just liked it better when I was the slow link.I dont really get the complaing, this is a draft in May for a season in limbo. Not every draft will run as smooth as a hand picked one by meBlistering pace we're on.
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#36
Posted 10 May 2011 - 09:30 AM
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#37
Posted 10 May 2011 - 09:35 AM
TL, not worried about Britt's pending legal woes? I could see him being suspended for a chunk of the season and/or playing his way off the team if he screws up again.Brees McFadden Steve Johnson, Kenny Britt Vernon Davis I like it so far. Really seems like a year you can go QB and TE relatively early and still make out okay at the skill positins. We shall see..
#38
Posted 10 May 2011 - 12:59 PM
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#39
Posted 10 May 2011 - 01:44 PM
As long as we're done by June, I'm good with this.I know. I just liked it better when I was the slow link.
I dont really get the complaing, this is a draft in May for a season in limbo. Not every draft will run as smooth as a hand picked one by meBlistering pace we're on.
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#40
Posted 10 May 2011 - 01:45 PM
I think so. I only went with two RBs early to see what happens and I haven't taken RB2 early in either of the other mocks.Brees McFadden Steve Johnson, Kenny Britt Vernon Davis I like it so far. Really seems like a year you can go QB and TE relatively early and still make out okay at the skill positins. We shall see..
#41
Posted 10 May 2011 - 02:27 PM
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#42
Posted 10 May 2011 - 03:12 PM
I like your team enough, but you have a lot of risk. After White and Witten, none of your players are what I would call "safe bets". Your QBBC is interesting, Cassel could be great and Fitz solid, Stew and Dez have stud potential Right now you're boom or bust.Had a tough time deciding on my pick at 6.03 only because all three of my targets for that pick were still there, so which position and which player to pick? Logic says I made the right pick for several reasons which I will address later.....but... Anyway, team so far looks good - well as good as it can amongst this group QB - Cassel & Fitzpatrick RB - JStew WR - Roddy White & Dez Bryant TE - Witten
#43
Posted 10 May 2011 - 05:28 PM
TL, not worried about Britt's pending legal woes? I could see him being suspended for a chunk of the season and/or playing his way off the team if he screws up again.Brees McFadden Steve Johnson, Kenny Britt Vernon Davis I like it so far. Really seems like a year you can go QB and TE relatively early and still make out okay at the skill positins. We shall see..
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#45
Posted 11 May 2011 - 02:39 AM
Not loving this team, just more risk than I would usually like. But there weren't "safe" players available at my picks that I like.
Freeman (8), McCoy (5)
McCoy (7), Mathews (6)
Jennings (8), Harvin (9)
Gresham (7)
I'll comment more later on, but I'm hesitant to like this team. "Potentially" great, but far from a safe bet to make it past the first few weeks.
Edited by FUBAR, 11 May 2011 - 11:42 AM.
#46
Posted 11 May 2011 - 05:00 AM
Brady 7
MJD 9, Addai 11, Williams 6
Austin 5, Holmes 8
Pettigrew 9
Round by round comments
rnd 1 - leagues are not won in the first round, only lost. MJD looks to have recovered from off season surgery, plug and play.
rnd 2 - I had not planned on going QB early but the differential between Brady and later QB's to me was bigger than the differential between any RB/WR/TE that could be aquired between rnd 2 & 3. I am of the opinion that 2 mid tier QB is > one elite QB in this format, but we will see how this team progresses through the season.
rnd 3 - With no pass catchers and a WR drop off coming, Austin was an easy selection. even with Dez & witten getting looks in dallas, there should be enough balls to keep Austin happy.
rnd 4 - Santonio Holmes - This is where drafting in these 16team leagues filled with sharks makes life interesting. Top TE's are picked over, going 2QB this early is overkill, and almost all of the RB/WR's on the board are going to be reaches. I had this pick down to Holmes and Greene but felt that Greene would last longer than Holmes and might make it back if I still wanted him. He is a priority for the Jets to sign and is a #1WR with potential to get into a top 10-15 position if he signs and plays nice with management. Decent upside for the 21st WR.
rnd 5 - this was the toughest point in the draft so far. I had the following tagged for this pick: Greene, Lynch, Garcon and Benson but felt TE was necessary. There was a group of evenly ranked TE's which I felt would not make it back around to rnd 6. There were enough of "my guys" left on the board that I was hoping a TE run would let someone slip back into the 6th.
rnd 5 TE TierI know most people loved Miller in this spot, from the TE position here is how I had this tier of TE's ranked
1a) Pettigrew - big athletic TE, gets lots of targets and stafford looks to him often, has not yet reached full potential. Has more upside than any of the other guys here.
1b) Z Miller - a great talent and probably should be a clear #1 in this tier if healthy- I just can't bring myself to buy into anything the raiders are doing, not for a 5th rounder anyways.
2) Cooley - smart gritty player, gets lots of looks in the offense and is a proven producer. a few more TD's and he produces in the next TE tier, but was beat up alot last year and I felt it too risky to bank on him with such a premium for TE's.
3) Gonzo - If I had gone riskier in earlier picks, this would have been a safer pick. Guy can still play, but is clealry on the downturn of his career. add in more blocking for Turner and the addition of Julio jones, I look for his targets to drop slightly this year.
4) Winslow - Million dollar body - $0.10 head. Was not a consideration for me with this pick.
rnd 6 - I wanted Garcon here. after going TE in the last round, Greene, lynch and Benson all flew off the board. Addai has a chance to return to Indy and claim a starting gig. brown is just short of a bust,which means he only has to fend off a 4th rounder in carter from syracuse. This could be a strong pick or just as easily one of those picks where you look back and say what was I thinking.
rnd 7 - This was the guy I had targeted in rnd 7, finally the draft breaks in the right direction. With the pickup of williams I am feeling pretty comfortable in my backfield, and have nice bye week spacing.
Edited by Master Shake, 11 May 2011 - 12:27 PM.
#47
Posted 11 May 2011 - 07:22 AM
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#48
Posted 12 May 2011 - 06:52 AM
YOU LIE!Just fyi......I’m going to attempt to start the DST run in the 7th if somebody else doesn’t....so get em while there hot.....
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#49
Posted 12 May 2011 - 08:42 AM
Round by round...
Not loving this team, just more risk than I would usually like. But there weren't "safe" players available at my picks that I like.
Freeman (8), McCoy (5)
McCoy (7), Mathews (6)
Jennings (8), Harvin (9)
Gresham (7)
I'll comment more later on, but I'm hesitant to like this team. "Potentially" great, but far from a safe bet to make it past the first few weeks.
1.06 - FUBAR - LeSean "Shady" McCoy - RB6 - PHI
- 2nd draft I've taken McCoy in. PPR stud and improving on a great offense. Thought for a second about AJ, Vick or Rodgers just to change it up but nobody else was more than a passing consideration.
2.11 - FUBAR - Greg Jennings - WR6 - GB
- just missed on Brady who would have been my pick. I wanted a relatively safe pick here and Jennings is a surefire top 10 WR. Maybe not quite worth the WR6, but he's certainly in the running. Plus, as a native Michigander I just like the guy. Also considered Dallas Clark who I might have taken if we were here today, also Rivers and Wayne. Sort of a crossroads here.
3.06 - FUBAR - Ryan Mathews - RB15 - SD
- If I hadn't taken McCoy earlier I would have taken Maclin here. Otherwise, didn't really care for other options and I see Mathews as a potential top 5 RB (I admit that's probably way too high). Two top RBs makes it a position I can sit back on for awhile.
4.11 - FUBAR - Josh Freeman - QB12 - TB
- I like Freeman. Moreso as a dynasty #1 than redraft but seems good value here. Could easily have gone in different directions, Graham has a nice ceiling, Eli is safer, and if Lloyd repeats he'll be the SOD.
5.06 - FUBAR - Percy Harvin - WR23 - MIN
- This pick was easy. Although he lacks a good QB and Rice is a very good WR across from him, I see whoever their QB is relying heavily on Harvin's short game with YAC. IMO he'll end the year closer to WR12 than WR24.
6.11 - FUBAR - Jermaine Gresham - TE14 - CIN
- I wanted a TE here and most targets were taken in the previous series of TE picks. I really don't know what to think about this group (Gresham, Gronk, Keller) so I just took one I thought could succeed.
7.06 - FUBAR - Colt McCoy - QB - Clev
- Pretty much a "get a QB with a workable bye week" pick. I actually like his potential a lot but don't see him having a great 2nd season. He actually played well in games against other teams than the Steelers and Ravens, but those account for 25% of his games. I need him to have a good week 8 at San Fran, and he certainly can. In hindsight I should have gone with my first choice, who I had typed in before getting nervous about not having a good 2nd QB, which would have been Jared Cook. Frankly, this is the pick I regret right now (which probably means it's my best pick)
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Posted 12 May 2011 - 10:36 AM
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