Football Jones
Footballguy
Scott could be one of the surprises of the 2011 season. I'd love for the Bengals to let Benson walk & give Scott the feature role. I believe he'd excel. Massively underrated talent, IMO.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
coming into the league, I thought he had the goods. Just don't see enough power or elusiveness. Seems like he's better suited to be just a quality #2 then a feature guy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I just watched all his touches last season on NFL.com & I absolutely love his talent. Sometimes it's best to get a perspective in the offseason when you have time to analyze things. Scott looks like a feature back in waiting to me. I think this guy would be a gold mine for Cincy if they would just give him a chance.
loose circuits
Footballguy
did he break many tackles?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Scott breaks as many tackles as the other smaller, electric-type RBs in the league. He's not Peyton Hillis, but he doesn't have to be. That's not his game. We'll see what happens, but I think people will be surprised if Scott does get a shot.
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MTskibum
Footballguy
Bernard Scott has a solid YPC, and his game logs are pretty decent when he has been given 15+ touches in a game.
http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardscott/gamelogs?id=SCO000000&season=2009
I could see him breaking out.
http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardscott/gamelogs?id=SCO000000&season=2009
I could see him breaking out.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, Bill Belichick is said to be high on Scott. Something tells me Belichick would've taken advantage of Scott's abilities long ago.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens if they don't resign Benson (or even if they do).
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens if they don't resign Benson (or even if they do).
Certainly has made use of the opportunity when it had presented itself. The speed is there and the ypc when given enough carries is a good indicator that he has enough power to be a main guy.
Too bad Cincy doesn't see him as big enough to handle the bulk of carries, so we can actually see what he is capable of on a continuous weekly basis. Other smallish backs have managed to break out after a couple years of anonymity, plus the opportunity is there with Benson falling off the cliff rapidly.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Scott ends up with a Charles-like second half of the season - the prerequisites are all there.
Too bad Cincy doesn't see him as big enough to handle the bulk of carries, so we can actually see what he is capable of on a continuous weekly basis. Other smallish backs have managed to break out after a couple years of anonymity, plus the opportunity is there with Benson falling off the cliff rapidly.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Scott ends up with a Charles-like second half of the season - the prerequisites are all there.
ok, i like Scott and want him to get the chance at a bigger role. But where and when did Belichick comment on the backup RB for the Bengals?
Football Jones
Footballguy
It was mentioned during the CIN/NEP game in week 1. It sounded like Belichick expected to see much more of Scott than he did in that game. Interesting that it was week 1 & BB had to of been going by what he saw of Scott as a rookie in 2009.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Scott will never be The Guy heading into a season. If you were a GM, would you put all of your eggs in that basket? At best, he'd be a change of pace guy, never a feature back unless other backs on his team went down due to injury and he's what's left. That really is the reality of the situation.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I've heard that a million times about various RBs. Talent is talent. Not saying it'll happen, but Scott is a diamond in the rough, IMO.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
This guy's still in the league??
loose circuits
Footballguy
where does cedric pearman enter into this equation? He looked explosive in the preseason last year, but didn't get any game action. Wonder if he's fixed the issues that caused him to get cut by like 3 teams
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He's already 27 years old.
Stats-wise, that is a fair comparison only if you take Mewelde Moore from 2005, not 2011. Moore hovered around 5 ypc average in his first years in the league and was regarded as one of the top-notch backups for quite a while.
Once you move away from the stud RBs, the stats for the rest are predicated above all on opportunity. Moore never got one, Scott might also not get one, but is much closer to a chance.
Once you move away from the stud RBs, the stats for the rest are predicated above all on opportunity. Moore never got one, Scott might also not get one, but is much closer to a chance.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yes, I do have something, LOL, Belichick is said to be high on Scott. It was mentioned during the broadcast. I don't remember the exact words (something to the effect, Belichick loves Scott's talent), but suffice to say I'm not exaggerating.Why is that so hard to believe? Scott is talented.
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Garrett
Footballguy
That's actually a really good comparison. I would also throw in Leon Washington.
treat88
Footballguy
Gotta be in the mix for work if Benson isn't resigned.For me, I'd prefer him to Scott on 1st and 2nd down and consider him at least an equivalent on 3rd/long yardage situations..Great sleeper pick in a deep league.
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eakfootball
Footballguy
He reminds me of Bradshaw.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Or Priest Holmes
eakfootball
Footballguy
yeah thats a bit of a concern.
Garrett
Footballguy
Holmes put up a 1,000 yard rushing season in his 2nd NFL season, which was also the first season he was given a single NFL carry.Or Priest Holmes
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Scott was the first of the Hard Knocks mirages. They hyped him, fantasy ballers believed it and many really havent stopped believing.
I've watched him closely in every pre-season game when he gets serious touches and he just doesnt seem to be able to use his low center of gravity to his advantage. He has a good initial burst, but his vision isnt above avg. Not the best pass catcher or blocker either.
Benson hit a low point in the middle of last season and I thought Scott may get a shot just because...and it never happened. If he didnt get his chance then I figure he will never get a chance if Lewis is there and Benson is healthy.
I've watched him closely in every pre-season game when he gets serious touches and he just doesnt seem to be able to use his low center of gravity to his advantage. He has a good initial burst, but his vision isnt above avg. Not the best pass catcher or blocker either.
Benson hit a low point in the middle of last season and I thought Scott may get a shot just because...and it never happened. If he didnt get his chance then I figure he will never get a chance if Lewis is there and Benson is healthy.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wait, you are seriously comparing him to a guy who averaged 6.4 yards per carry last year?'Zdravko said:
doowain
Footballguy
Pretty clear he is referring to the second half of 2009.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I would rather own Scott right now instead of Benson.
Unfortunately, Scott is not available in any of my leagues.
Unfortunately, Scott is not available in any of my leagues.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Are you saying that Bernard Scott and Priest Holmers aren't comparable because they didn't have identical backgrounds?Holmes put up a 1,000 yard rushing season in his 2nd NFL season, which was also the first season he was given a single NFL carry.Or Priest Holmes
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Lemme Guess,... Cedric Benson owner?
guys, belichick effusively praises opposing players routinely. and even if it is legitimate indication of his abilities, it still has no bearing on how many times marvin lewis give him the ball. i love bernard. i have him on my team as often as possible. but hes just not marvins style. marvin has shown to love overworking mediocre plodding durable feature backs.
as a bengal fan, i would be ecstatic if they jettisoned benson and went committee with snelling or bush or even worse talent and bernard. but its not something i would expect.
now, benson may wear down as he has been leaned on for the last 2.5 yrs. but on the other hand, benson has proven durable. 836 carries over the last 2.75 seasons and 41 games. remember he joined the team at week 5 in 2008. he missed 3 games in 09 due to injury and didnt miss any last yr.
as a bengal fan, i would be ecstatic if they jettisoned benson and went committee with snelling or bush or even worse talent and bernard. but its not something i would expect.
now, benson may wear down as he has been leaned on for the last 2.5 yrs. but on the other hand, benson has proven durable. 836 carries over the last 2.75 seasons and 41 games. remember he joined the team at week 5 in 2008. he missed 3 games in 09 due to injury and didnt miss any last yr.
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Garrett
Footballguy
No, I am saying that Priest Holmes demonstrated immediately by carrying the ball over 200 times for over 1,000 yards in his first chance to start in the NFL that he could hold up to being the full time ball carrier. Scott has been injured, repeatedly, by just practicing and being the backup RB. They are not comparable because Scott (like Washington and Moore) will never be able to hold up to a 225+ carry season (let's not even mention that Holmes made his mark carrying the ball 300+ times a year).So what about Scott are you saying equates to Priest Holmes? Is any RB who toils as a backup with new found potential to start later in their career automatically Priest Holmes?Are you saying that Bernard Scott and Priest Holmers aren't comparable because they didn't have identical backgrounds?Holmes put up a 1,000 yard rushing season in his 2nd NFL season, which was also the first season he was given a single NFL carry.Or Priest Holmes
shader
Footballguy
Scott runs like Chris Johnson with 4.4 speed.
He's ok. Not a huge fan. In re-draft, he's worth grabbing as he could have some big games if he gets opportunities.
In dynasty, I'd rather look for much younger options. I don't mind 27 if it's a proven star...but a guy that still hasn't broken out yet...not likely.
He's ok. Not a huge fan. In re-draft, he's worth grabbing as he could have some big games if he gets opportunities.
In dynasty, I'd rather look for much younger options. I don't mind 27 if it's a proven star...but a guy that still hasn't broken out yet...not likely.
Shutout
Footballguy
If he were on any team that knew what they had, Scott would be a great player. His production in college (albeit against "lesser" talent) was not good, it was absolutely freaking rediculous (something like 80+ TDs/5000+ yards in 2 seasons). There are Greg jennings/Jerry Rice/DeMarcus Ware talents that translate despite playing for smaller schools...if they get an opportunity.
More importantly, Scott has played well on the few chances he has been the main Bengals back.
I completely think he CAN do it but I just don't think the Bengals will allow him the chance.
I honestly believe if he would have ended up in a better situation when he came out, we would see him as a DWIL type back today.
People commonly say "talent over opportunity" all the time but I think there is a fine line with that. Spiller may have been very talented, but like Scott, looks destined to have a mediocre career where he is while guys like (INSERT RB HERE) can go to an opportunity like New Orleans and be very fantasy-relevant.
More importantly, Scott has played well on the few chances he has been the main Bengals back.
I completely think he CAN do it but I just don't think the Bengals will allow him the chance.
I honestly believe if he would have ended up in a better situation when he came out, we would see him as a DWIL type back today.
People commonly say "talent over opportunity" all the time but I think there is a fine line with that. Spiller may have been very talented, but like Scott, looks destined to have a mediocre career where he is while guys like (INSERT RB HERE) can go to an opportunity like New Orleans and be very fantasy-relevant.
Why?If Benson is signed, he will receive the bulk of the carries. If Benson is not signed, some other big RB will be signed and he will receive the bulk of the carries.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Scott could be sneaky. The 5'10'' 200 lb explosive RB is in vogue right now in the league. I'm just not quite sure Scott's explosiveness is on par with the other guys of this ilk. His 40 time was slower when he was drafted and maybe it's psychological but I do perceive him to be a step slower than Jamaal Charles/CJII. And I haven't seen him make a huge amount of football plays either, so I don't know if I'm feeling this guy, but I will keep an open mind when watching him again this year.
massraider
Footballguy
I like him, and have since he came into the league. I thought he was one of those good dynasty stashes, behind an average back. But it seems like nothing has happened here, and with Benson expecting a big raise, now would be the time. If Scott was the goods, this is the time when the Bengals would say thanks, but no thanks to Benson, and move on. But they haven't. They seem willing to re-sign Benson, and pay him well. And the Bengals aren't the first guys to whip out the checkbook.So while I like him, the signs seem to be that they view him as a change of pace, and that's all.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Scott is a painful stash in dynasty. Hoping this could be the year. Thinking the coach-player tandem of Scott-Lewis is too similar to Harrison-Mangini. Kid will never get a chance unless all other viable options are exhausted.
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bengalbuck
Footballguy
If Benson isn't resgined, the Bengals will sign someone else to be the starter. Whether its Michael Bush or Ronnie Brown or whoever. I think they like Scott but don't see him as a starter at this point. (I think its 90%+ that Benson is back in Cincy FWIW)As others in this thread have stated, I think it will take an injury to Benson for Scott to get a crack at being fantasy relevant. If he does get that shot, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took it and ran with it.
