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#451 bicycle_seat_sniffer

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 12:30 PM

There's also the opportunity cost of passing on an elite player at another position to draft a rookie QB.  I don't think the Broncos are unhappy with their decision to draft Von Miller and give Peyton Manning a huge contract. instead of drafting Locker.

LOL. You should change your FBG handle to Cherrypicker.
Manning wasn't even signed the same season as that draft.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 01:01 PM


 

 

 

 

Was thinking he would be perfect candidate to run bill O'brien offense in Houston. Anyone agree?

if O'Brien goes to Houston I think manziel is his play.
why? O'brien runs patriot style offense, he came up in that system
 
I'd vote no on that one.  O'Brien came to NE in 2007 as an Assistant and took over as OC in 2011 after McDaniels left.  If anyone restructured or modernized the Pats offense, it would be McDaniels.  Plus they still have plays and formations they use from the Charlie Weis era.  Not sure O'Brien is really the mastermind here (although he did do well when handed the keys to the offense).
you didn't mention his best work yet, the last two years as a head cowerach.
 
The assertion was that he came up with the Patriots system.  No one said he didn't do well as HC at PSU.
he spent 4 years entrenched in Patriots offense. That is significant. I didn't watch much of Hackenburg, but a year ago they spread it out and created mismatches all over the field although they took advantage of Mcgloin's mobility although he mostly dropped back and threw the rock. Taking Clowney at 1 overall and then potentially moving 2.1 for Mallett and a later pick back would make sense or maybe 3.01. This team is missing a QB but has everything else in place. Mallett would be a ready made solution
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 01:19 PM

 

 

 

There's also the opportunity cost of passing on an elite player at another position to draft a rookie QB.  I don't think the Broncos are unhappy with their decision to draft Von Miller and give Peyton Manning a huge contract. instead of drafting Locker.

LOL. You should change your FBG handle to Cherrypicker.
Manning wasn't even signed the same season as that draft.
Cstu is awful at football facts

 

 

Fact 1: Von Miller was drafted in 2011, so was Locker.

 

Fact 2: The Broncos were able to sign Manning because they did not draft Locker the prior year.

 

Also, this is not the only case of a team reaching for QB instead of taking a stud player, Sanchez comes to mind.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:17 PM

Dude. thanks for sharing.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:43 PM

 

 

 

 

There's also the opportunity cost of passing on an elite player at another position to draft a rookie QB.  I don't think the Broncos are unhappy with their decision to draft Von Miller and give Peyton Manning a huge contract. instead of drafting Locker.

LOL. You should change your FBG handle to Cherrypicker.
Manning wasn't even signed the same season as that draft.
Cstu is awful at football facts

 

 

Fact 1: Von Miller was drafted in 2011, so was Locker.

 

Fact 2: The Broncos were able to sign Manning because they did not draft Locker the prior year.

 

Also, this is not the only case of a team reaching for QB instead of taking a stud player, Sanchez comes to mind.

 

When the Broncos were deciding on their pick, I really doubt they spent even 1 second considering Locker.  And that Manning fell to them was a total fluke.  I'm sure there are examples that would support your point but that's not one of them.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:58 PM

Word I'm getting around the league on this today,
 
- McCain released the story as a favor to the Texans in trade for other insider info he's received in the past. ( This is how "insiders" around the league are really "information brokers", on the premise that nothing is free and the media, by extension, becomes part of the ruse, deception, dog and pony show. Information is not "free", you are expected to help the franchise during this time of year to push one story or another to push one agenda or another. This is the one time of year that "lying" is acceptable from organization to organization and not taken personally during the NFL season. it's this kind of back room type dealing that gets journalists close enough to teams to get access to do a book, which can be far more lucrative overall i.e. Jeff Pearlman and his Cowboys book.  )
 
- The purpose was to try to entice Arthur Blank ( who is apparently infatuated with Jadeveon Clowney) and Atlanta to trade up to No#1 overall to leapfrog  ( Dimitrioff has no problems pulling the trigger on draft day to move up) St Louis, whom is apparently trying to shop it's overall No#2 pick to other teams wanting Jadeveon Clowney. Offensive line is seen as deep enough this year in the draft for Atlanta to try to grab O line help in the 2nd round.
 
- The premise being Atlanta taking Clowney at No#1 would force St Louis to go to it's default, which is Greg Robinson at No#2, giving Houston a chance at one of the top 3 QBs at No#6 overall if Sammy Watkins goes off the board, pick up assets or still have the option to trade down again for more assets if Sammy Watkins is still on the board. Teams that covet Watkins the way the average FBG would covet Kate Beckinsale eating ice cream off their chests  - Colts, 49ers, Giants.
 
Premise Breakdown
 
1) Atlanta - Clowney ( Trade No#6 overall plus other assets to Houston)
2) St Louis - Greg Robinson ( Great prospect but a compromise pick for Fisher)
3) Jacksonville - Manziel/Bridgewater
4) Cleveland - Watkins/Manziel ( still in mix for possible Kaepernick deal)
5) Oakland - Carr/Bridgewater/Bortles
6) Houston - Bortles or another QB1 ( keep or slight trade down possibilities with Vikings, hard to see where Bucs hold Glennon in future esteem or not at this point) or Watkins ( trade down opportunity for more assets)
 
49ers need a true No#1 WR and have plenty of ammo in draft choices for trade. Can package No#30 overall plus other assets. Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.
 
Colts, Ryan Grigson is GMINO ( GM In Name Only), never count out Irsay to overpay again to reach up to No#6. Can package No#26 overall with other assets, Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.
 
Giants need offensive line help, even a new QB1, but Coughlin loves his WRs, loves loves loves them. Can package No#12 overall with other assets.
 
- Word out on the trade, info not coming out of NE, that Patriots wanted a 3rd rounder that would turn to a 2nd rounder based on Mallett's number of starts/production benchmarks with Houston. Along with a handshake agreement not to pursue Julian Edelman. Houston, in exchange, offered two 4ths, one completely conditional on playing benchmarks, and no promise at all regarding Edelman.
 
- Mallett would be seen as bridge QB1 with good upside and would have to take a team friendly extension, knows O'Brien and system. If trade doesn't work, still works as bait for Atlanta. New England plays along because it profiles Mallett for other potential trade opportunities. Possible win/win if Houston makes the trade and win/win if Houston doesn't.
 
Do not shoot the messenger.


Thanks. How do you know all this???

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:02 PM

 

 

 

 

 

There's also the opportunity cost of passing on an elite player at another position to draft a rookie QB.  I don't think the Broncos are unhappy with their decision to draft Von Miller and give Peyton Manning a huge contract. instead of drafting Locker.

LOL. You should change your FBG handle to Cherrypicker.
Manning wasn't even signed the same season as that draft.
Cstu is awful at football facts

 

 

Fact 1: Von Miller was drafted in 2011, so was Locker.

 

Fact 2: The Broncos were able to sign Manning because they did not draft Locker the prior year.

 

Also, this is not the only case of a team reaching for QB instead of taking a stud player, Sanchez comes to mind.

 

When the Broncos were deciding on their pick, I really doubt they spent even 1 second considering Locker.  And that Manning fell to them was a total fluke.  I'm sure there are examples that would support your point but that's not one of them.

 

 

They had Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow at QB, I have no doubt they would have drafted a QB if Cam was there.  Locker just wasn't that good, just as I think Bortles isn't.  That's why I've been saying the Texans should take Clowney.  Maybe Mallett isn't the right or any other QB in this draft but they need to be smarter than reaching for a simply because it's a need.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

Word I'm getting around the league on this today,

 

- McCain released the story as a favor to the Texans in trade for other insider info he's received in the past. ( This is how "insiders" around the league are really "information brokers", on the premise that nothing is free and the media, by extension, becomes part of the ruse, deception, dog and pony show. Information is not "free", you are expected to help the franchise during this time of year to push one story or another to push one agenda or another. This is the one time of year that "lying" is acceptable from organization to organization and not taken personally during the NFL season. it's this kind of back room type dealing that gets journalists close enough to teams to get access to do a book, which can be far more lucrative overall i.e. Jeff Pearlman and his Cowboys book.  )

 

- The purpose was to try to entice Arthur Blank ( who is apparently infatuated with Jadeveon Clowney) and Atlanta to trade up to No#1 overall to leapfrog  ( Dimitrioff has no problems pulling the trigger on draft day to move up) St Louis, whom is apparently trying to shop it's overall No#2 pick to other teams wanting Jadeveon Clowney. Offensive line is seen as deep enough this year in the draft for Atlanta to try to grab O line help in the 2nd round.

 

- The premise being Atlanta taking Clowney at No#1 would force St Louis to go to it's default, which is Greg Robinson at No#2, giving Houston a chance at one of the top 3 QBs at No#6 overall if Sammy Watkins goes off the board, pick up assets or still have the option to trade down again for more assets if Sammy Watkins is still on the board. Teams that covet Watkins the way the average FBG would covet Kate Beckinsale eating ice cream off their chests  - Colts, 49ers, Giants.

 

Premise Breakdown

 

1) Atlanta - Clowney ( Trade No#6 overall plus other assets to Houston)

2) St Louis - Greg Robinson ( Great prospect but a compromise pick for Fisher)

3) Jacksonville - Manziel/Bridgewater

4) Cleveland - Watkins/Manziel ( still in mix for possible Kaepernick deal)

5) Oakland - Carr/Bridgewater/Bortles

6) Houston - Bortles or another QB1 ( keep or slight trade down possibilities with Vikings, hard to see where Bucs hold Glennon in future esteem or not at this point) or Watkins ( trade down opportunity for more assets)

 

49ers need a true No#1 WR and have plenty of ammo in draft choices for trade. Can package No#30 overall plus other assets. Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.

 

Colts, Ryan Grigson is GMINO ( GM In Name Only), never count out Irsay to overpay again to reach up to No#6. Can package No#26 overall with other assets, Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.

 

Giants need offensive line help, even a new QB1, but Coughlin loves his WRs, loves loves loves them. Can package No#12 overall with other assets.

 

- Word out on the trade, info not coming out of NE, that Patriots wanted a 3rd rounder that would turn to a 2nd rounder based on Mallett's number of starts/production benchmarks with Houston. Along with a handshake agreement not to pursue Julian Edelman. Houston, in exchange, offered two 4ths, one completely conditional on playing benchmarks, and no promise at all regarding Edelman.

 

- Mallett would be seen as bridge QB1 with good upside and would have to take a team friendly extension, knows O'Brien and system. If trade doesn't work, still works as bait for Atlanta. New England plays along because it profiles Mallett for other potential trade opportunities. Possible win/win if Houston makes the trade and win/win if Houston doesn't.

 

Do not shoot the messenger.

 

Except the Colts have no first round pick this year. So this is probably all made up.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:59 PM

It is all made up. It's GordonGekko. He's never posted any "insider tidbit" that came true. And half the time the logic doesn't even hold up.

When your opinion matters, I'll inform you.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:07 PM

 

Word I'm getting around the league on this today,
 
- McCain released the story as a favor to the Texans in trade for other insider info he's received in the past. ( This is how "insiders" around the league are really "information brokers", on the premise that nothing is free and the media, by extension, becomes part of the ruse, deception, dog and pony show. Information is not "free", you are expected to help the franchise during this time of year to push one story or another to push one agenda or another. This is the one time of year that "lying" is acceptable from organization to organization and not taken personally during the NFL season. it's this kind of back room type dealing that gets journalists close enough to teams to get access to do a book, which can be far more lucrative overall i.e. Jeff Pearlman and his Cowboys book.  )
 
- The purpose was to try to entice Arthur Blank ( who is apparently infatuated with Jadeveon Clowney) and Atlanta to trade up to No#1 overall to leapfrog  ( Dimitrioff has no problems pulling the trigger on draft day to move up) St Louis, whom is apparently trying to shop it's overall No#2 pick to other teams wanting Jadeveon Clowney. Offensive line is seen as deep enough this year in the draft for Atlanta to try to grab O line help in the 2nd round.
 
- The premise being Atlanta taking Clowney at No#1 would force St Louis to go to it's default, which is Greg Robinson at No#2, giving Houston a chance at one of the top 3 QBs at No#6 overall if Sammy Watkins goes off the board, pick up assets or still have the option to trade down again for more assets if Sammy Watkins is still on the board. Teams that covet Watkins the way the average FBG would covet Kate Beckinsale eating ice cream off their chests  - Colts, 49ers, Giants.
 
Premise Breakdown
 
1) Atlanta - Clowney ( Trade No#6 overall plus other assets to Houston)
2) St Louis - Greg Robinson ( Great prospect but a compromise pick for Fisher)
3) Jacksonville - Manziel/Bridgewater
4) Cleveland - Watkins/Manziel ( still in mix for possible Kaepernick deal)
5) Oakland - Carr/Bridgewater/Bortles
6) Houston - Bortles or another QB1 ( keep or slight trade down possibilities with Vikings, hard to see where Bucs hold Glennon in future esteem or not at this point) or Watkins ( trade down opportunity for more assets)
 
49ers need a true No#1 WR and have plenty of ammo in draft choices for trade. Can package No#30 overall plus other assets. Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.
 
Colts, Ryan Grigson is GMINO ( GM In Name Only), never count out Irsay to overpay again to reach up to No#6. Can package No#26 overall with other assets, Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.
 
Giants need offensive line help, even a new QB1, but Coughlin loves his WRs, loves loves loves them. Can package No#12 overall with other assets.
 
- Word out on the trade, info not coming out of NE, that Patriots wanted a 3rd rounder that would turn to a 2nd rounder based on Mallett's number of starts/production benchmarks with Houston. Along with a handshake agreement not to pursue Julian Edelman. Houston, in exchange, offered two 4ths, one completely conditional on playing benchmarks, and no promise at all regarding Edelman.
 
- Mallett would be seen as bridge QB1 with good upside and would have to take a team friendly extension, knows O'Brien and system. If trade doesn't work, still works as bait for Atlanta. New England plays along because it profiles Mallett for other potential trade opportunities. Possible win/win if Houston makes the trade and win/win if Houston doesn't.
 
Do not shoot the messenger.


Thanks. How do you know all this???

 

He's not only the messenger, he's the source.


Edited by MoveToSkypager, 09 March 2014 - 05:07 PM.

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:30 PM

blah blah blah


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

Word I'm getting around the league on this today,

 

- McCain released the story as a favor to the Texans in trade for other insider info he's received in the past. ( This is how "insiders" around the league are really "information brokers", on the premise that nothing is free and the media, by extension, becomes part of the ruse, deception, dog and pony show. Information is not "free", you are expected to help the franchise during this time of year to push one story or another to push one agenda or another. This is the one time of year that "lying" is acceptable from organization to organization and not taken personally during the NFL season. it's this kind of back room type dealing that gets journalists close enough to teams to get access to do a book, which can be far more lucrative overall i.e. Jeff Pearlman and his Cowboys book.  )

 

- The purpose was to try to entice Arthur Blank ( who is apparently infatuated with Jadeveon Clowney) and Atlanta to trade up to No#1 overall to leapfrog  ( Dimitrioff has no problems pulling the trigger on draft day to move up) St Louis, whom is apparently trying to shop it's overall No#2 pick to other teams wanting Jadeveon Clowney. Offensive line is seen as deep enough this year in the draft for Atlanta to try to grab O line help in the 2nd round.

 

- The premise being Atlanta taking Clowney at No#1 would force St Louis to go to it's default, which is Greg Robinson at No#2, giving Houston a chance at one of the top 3 QBs at No#6 overall if Sammy Watkins goes off the board, pick up assets or still have the option to trade down again for more assets if Sammy Watkins is still on the board. Teams that covet Watkins the way the average FBG would covet Kate Beckinsale eating ice cream off their chests  - Colts, 49ers, Giants.

 

Premise Breakdown

 

1) Atlanta - Clowney ( Trade No#6 overall plus other assets to Houston)

2) St Louis - Greg Robinson ( Great prospect but a compromise pick for Fisher)

3) Jacksonville - Manziel/Bridgewater

4) Cleveland - Watkins/Manziel ( still in mix for possible Kaepernick deal)

5) Oakland - Carr/Bridgewater/Bortles

6) Houston - Bortles or another QB1 ( keep or slight trade down possibilities with Vikings, hard to see where Bucs hold Glennon in future esteem or not at this point) or Watkins ( trade down opportunity for more assets)

 

49ers need a true No#1 WR and have plenty of ammo in draft choices for trade. Can package No#30 overall plus other assets. Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.

 

Colts, Ryan Grigson is GMINO ( GM In Name Only), never count out Irsay to overpay again to reach up to No#6. Can package No#26 overall with other assets, Houston would have option to reach a little for a QB1 prospect before Round 2. This would almost ensure them Garrapolo if he's the target.

 

Giants need offensive line help, even a new QB1, but Coughlin loves his WRs, loves loves loves them. Can package No#12 overall with other assets.

 

- Word out on the trade, info not coming out of NE, that Patriots wanted a 3rd rounder that would turn to a 2nd rounder based on Mallett's number of starts/production benchmarks with Houston. Along with a handshake agreement not to pursue Julian Edelman. Houston, in exchange, offered two 4ths, one completely conditional on playing benchmarks, and no promise at all regarding Edelman.

 

- Mallett would be seen as bridge QB1 with good upside and would have to take a team friendly extension, knows O'Brien and system. If trade doesn't work, still works as bait for Atlanta. New England plays along because it profiles Mallett for other potential trade opportunities. Possible win/win if Houston makes the trade and win/win if Houston doesn't.

 

Do not shoot the messenger.

GG I have several questions regarding these trades.  How does Atlanta trade up to #1 and not give up their second round pick? 

 

I haven't heard anything about a Kaepernick trade.  Why would the 49ers mess with success?

 

What other assets would the 49ers include in a trade going from #30 to #6? 

 

I find your posts very entertaining.  Keep up the good work



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 07:42 PM

Does GordonGekko get paid by the word here?  Just askin'...


Edited by squistion, 10 March 2014 - 07:43 PM.

QUOTE (Marvin @ Apr 25, 2012 12:45 AM)

squistion is going to come in here and start reporting people. Then you'll really be sorry.

QUOTE (JerseyToughGuys @ Apr 20, 2012 03:45 PM)
No one expects the spanish squistion!~@@


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 07:48 PM


 


On a side note, lots of people just don't like me and I say a lot of things a lot of people find, to them, upsetting.

 

 

Why not espouse the truth of it....its not what you say.  Its how god damn long you take to say anything. 


Edited by BigSteelThrill, 11 March 2014 - 07:06 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

Does GordonGekko get paid by the word here?  Just askin'...

Cliff-notes?


April Fools by Denver Examiner:

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:50 PM

:lmao:

I only skimmed it, but you seem to have typed my username 3-4 times in that novella of a post. Yet I'm the one "bird-dogging" you? For someone who apparently yearns to be the "Redskins insider" on this board, I sure don't post very often about the Redskins.

I'm 100% sure that you're someone's idea of good schtick. No idea why.

It's mighty convenient that you can lay claim to so many "right" calls on this board, when you run around deleting your posts after hours or days.

Edited by ConnSKINS26, 10 March 2014 - 08:51 PM.

When your opinion matters, I'll inform you.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

:lmao:

I only skimmed it, but you seem to have typed my username 3-4 times in that novella of a post. Yet I'm the one "bird-dogging" you? For someone who apparently yearns to be the "Redskins insider" on this board, I sure don't post very often about the Redskins.

I'm 100% sure that you're someone's idea of good schtick. No idea why.

It's mighty convenient that you can lay claim to so many "right" calls on this board, when you run around deleting your posts after hours or days.

 

The random slams on other posters is the only thing worth reading GG's posts for these days.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

:lmao:
I only skimmed it, but you seem to have typed my username 3-4 times in that novella of a post. Yet I'm the one "bird-dogging" you? For someone who apparently yearns to be the "Redskins insider" on this board, I sure don't post very often about the Redskins.
I'm 100% sure that you're someone's idea of good schtick. No idea why.
It's mighty convenient that you can lay claim to so many "right" calls on this board, when you run around deleting your posts after hours or days.

 
The random slams on other posters is the only thing worth reading GG's posts for these days.

That's true. He had some good anti-Otis ones thrown into completely unrelated posts a few months ago that made me start skimming for poster's names.

When your opinion matters, I'll inform you.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 09:25 PM

 


GG I have several questions regarding these trades.  How does Atlanta trade up to #1 and not give up their second round pick? 

 

I haven't heard anything about a Kaepernick trade.  Why would the 49ers mess with success?

 

What other assets would the 49ers include in a trade going from #30 to #6? 

 

I find your posts very entertaining.  Keep up the good work

 

 

......

 

On a side note, lots of people just don't like me and I say a lot of things a lot of people find, to them, upsetting.

 

.....

 

Hey GG, you do know that most of your response is pure non-sense.  Atlanta 3rd is worth a 2nd in this draft  yada yada yada.  What a tangled web we weave...

 

I am not sure why you felt it was necessary to tell me about all the conflicts you have encountered in the Pool.

 

You do demonstrate such a robust vocabulary in all your responses. It makes me wonder if you write fiction for a living or do you just confine your talents to the Shark Pool?



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:12 AM

This thread has apparently moved on from its original topic.

 

The one point I would like to make about GordonGekko's recent post is that he promotes diversity of opinion and mercy for those opinions even if they they prove to be wrong.

 

I will give a personal example. I have read what EBF had to say about rookies through the years. To this day, even with all the injuries, I beg to differ with his love of Jonathan Stewart and Rashard Mendenhall over Darren McFadden. Still, he has come up with some of the best rookie analyses.

 

Have I discounted those analyses? Have I not put them in my mosaic of info to make a decision? The answer is no to both those rhetorical questions. I like what he has to say and how he bases his assessment. I mix it in and with others, watch some tape and make my own conclusions. He usually is not very brief about it either.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:30 AM

And they say people don't have imaginations anymore.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:53 AM

This thread has apparently moved on from its original topic.

 

The one point I would like to make about GordonGekko's recent post is that he promotes diversity of opinion and mercy for those opinions even if they they prove to be wrong.

 

I will give a personal example. I have read what EBF had to say about rookies through the years. To this day, even with all the injuries, I beg to differ with his love of Jonathan Stewart and Rashard Mendenhall over Darren McFadden. Still, he has come up with some of the best rookie analyses.

 

Have I discounted those analyses? Have I not put them in my mosaic of info to make a decision? The answer is no to both those rhetorical questions. I like what he has to say and how he bases his assessment. I mix it in and with others, watch some tape and make my own conclusions. He usually is not very brief about it either.

EBF does player analysis.  He does his best to predict how players will play.  GG writes fiction.  It starts as fiction, stays fiction and ends fiction.  Please don't compare the two.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:48 AM

Boiling it down, saying the Texans are putting out signals through the local writer that they might draft Clowney and then trade for Mallett to compel a team (like the Skins a couple years ago) to over-offer to move up to No. 1, while they secretly plan to get the QB they really want a little lower, is not that crazy of speculation, it's pretty standard actually. The interesting part is plotting out how the other 4 picks fall.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:29 PM

 

Does GordonGekko get paid by the word here?  Just askin'...

Cliff-notes?

 

 

Does anyone ever read anything he writes? I never read it because its always so long, he needs to understand people aint gonna read that stuff.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 08:29 AM

Quick-hit thoughts around NFL & Pats

By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

 

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There was a time when the Patriots might have felt Mallett could develop into a tradable commodity, but I don’t think it ever generated the momentum the club hoped. So at this point, my feeling is that whatever the club could get in return (projected here as a late-round pick at best) pales in comparison to the value Mallett has on the roster as Tom Brady’s insurance policy. I think the best-case scenario for the team and Mallett at this point is that he lights it up in the preseason, creating some value for himself, and then he can sign elsewhere as an unrestricted free agent next offseason and the Patriots could potentially be rewarded with a high compensatory draft choice.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 08:38 AM

 

 

Does GordonGekko get paid by the word here?  Just askin'...

Cliff-notes?

 

 

Does anyone ever read anything he writes? I never read it because its always so long, he needs to understand people aint gonna read that stuff.

 

I don't read his stuff because he's a fake insider.  Fake insiders are uncool and mislead the good people of FBG.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:46 AM

Mike Reiss from ESPNBoston.com writes that the Patriots can be involved in trade talks for Ryan Mallett by they nor the fans should expect much in return.

 

I’m not sure Mallett would even command a third-rounder at this point. I think this is a case where we might be overrating the local talent a bit. In the end, I think Mallett will have more value to the team being on the Patriots’ roster than the late-round pick you might be able to receive in return for trading him.

 

 


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:53 AM

I remember when Patriots fans thought they'd get a 1st for Rohan Davey.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:58 AM

Rohan Davey. Remember that guy??? :)

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:19 AM

Rohan Davey. Remember that guy??? :)

 

Yeah, I remember he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the preseason. 

 

Not saying Mallett has been spectacular but he was at least respectable last year.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

Rotoworld:

 

 

According to Draft Insider Tony Pauline, the "feeling league wide" is the Patriots will draft a quarterback in May because they "expect to lose" Ryan Mallett after the upcoming season.

 

Mallett is entering the last year of his rookie deal. The Pats have shown some interest in Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas. New England has drafted six quarterbacks since stealing Tom Brady in the 2000 sixth round. They are Rohan Davey, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Cassel, Kevin O'Connell, Zac Robinson, and Mallett.
 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:47 AM

State of the Draft: Browns Quarterback dilemma, Garoppolo/McCarron value, Mike Evans projection and more

 

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-A Ryan Mallett trade isn’t dead…yet. The most likely scenario as of now is if the Texans miss out on their second-round quarterback target and instead opt to trade for him. Still, it seems unlikely.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:04 AM

 

Rotoworld:

 

 

According to Draft Insider Tony Pauline, the "feeling league wide" is the Patriots will draft a quarterback in May because they "expect to lose" Ryan Mallett after the upcoming season.

 

Mallett is entering the last year of his rookie deal. The Pats have shown some interest in Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas. New England has drafted six quarterbacks since stealing Tom Brady in the 2000 sixth round. They are Rohan Davey, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Cassel, Kevin O'Connell, Zac Robinson, and Mallett.
 

 

 

oooffff...good thing that Brady kid panned out.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

I still think this is Bill feeding the press a bunch of crap to draw up interest. I have been reading this every off-season now. Mallett is going here and there but nothing.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:47 PM

I still think this is Bill feeding the press a bunch of crap to draw up interest. I have been reading this every off-season now. Mallett is going here and there but nothing.

it's prob more writers looking for something to write about. i doubt bill cares if they trade mallett or not.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

Five NFL draft surprise predictions

 

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New England Patriots draft their next starting quarterback

 

The dirty secret about Ryan Mallett: He hasn't developed as the Patriots have hoped. They haven't been able to trade him, in part, because no one is convinced he's improved as a pro. Mallett's contract expires after this season, and the Patriots should get value out of him as their backup quarterback this year. And then we'd expect him to leave via free agency.

 

Tom Brady, meanwhile, is signed through 2017 on a fully guaranteed contract. He should be New England's starter for at least two more years, but this is the first time the Patriots could draft a quarterback that could legitimately still be on his rookie contract when Brady retires. The Patriots need a backup for next year. They could look at developing a future starter for when Brady gets closer to 40. In a deep draft for quarterbacks, the Patriots could invest a second- or third-round pick and see what happens.

 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:24 PM

It's not worth discussing right what is going to happen with Mallett. 

 

Either he's starting QB quality who a team is willing to give up a pick for during the draft or he remains a Patriot. 

 

BB would love to get something reasonable for Mallett (at least a 4th) rather than let him walk for nothing.  If no one is willing to give that up then chances are he's never going to be a starting QB.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:29 PM

It's not worth discussing right what is going to happen with Mallett. 

 

Either he's starting QB quality who a team is willing to give up a pick for during the draft or he remains a Patriot. 

 

BB would love to get something reasonable for Mallett (at least a 4th) rather than let him walk for nothing.  If no one is willing to give that up then chances are he's never going to be a starting QB.

 

He will be a free agent after this year...he will get a shot to be a starter...whether he's good enough to do something with it remains to be seen...



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

 

 

Rotoworld:

 

 

According to Draft Insider Tony Pauline, the "feeling league wide" is the Patriots will draft a quarterback in May because they "expect to lose" Ryan Mallett after the upcoming season.

 

Mallett is entering the last year of his rookie deal. The Pats have shown some interest in Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas. New England has drafted six quarterbacks since stealing Tom Brady in the 2000 sixth round. They are Rohan Davey, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Cassel, Kevin O'Connell, Zac Robinson, and Mallett.
 

 

 

oooffff...good thing that Brady kid panned out.

 

None of those were high picks and the highest round of anyone taken was the 3rd. seeing as they got Cassell who's started a few years, seems ok to me.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:32 PM

 

It's not worth discussing right what is going to happen with Mallett. 

 

 

It's not worth discussing right what is going to happen with Mallett. 

 

Either he's starting QB quality who a team is willing to give up a pick for during the draft or he remains a Patriot. 

 

BB would love to get something reasonable for Mallett (at least a 4th) rather than let him walk for nothing.  If no one is willing to give that up then chances are he's never going to be a starting QB.

 

He will be a free agent after this year...he will get a shot to be a starter...whether he's good enough to do something with it remains to be seen...

 

 

Either he's starting QB quality who a team is willing to give up a pick for during the draft or he remains a Patriot. 

 

BB would love to get something reasonable for Mallett (at least a 4th) rather than let him walk for nothing.  If no one is willing to give that up then chances are he's never going to be a starting QB.

 

He will be a free agent after this year...he will get a shot to be a starter...whether he's good enough to do something with it remains to be seen...

 

 

Sure, he'll have a chance but if teams aren't willing to give up a mid round pick for him on a one year rookie salary to test him out then they likely aren't going to give him starter money next year...barring Brady getting injured and Mallett proving himself on the field this year.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 03:12 AM

 

 

Rotoworld:

 

 

According to Draft Insider Tony Pauline, the "feeling league wide" is the Patriots will draft a quarterback in May because they "expect to lose" Ryan Mallett after the upcoming season.

 

Mallett is entering the last year of his rookie deal. The Pats have shown some interest in Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas. New England has drafted six quarterbacks since stealing Tom Brady in the 2000 sixth round. They are Rohan Davey, Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Cassel, Kevin O'Connell, Zac Robinson, and Mallett.
 

 

 

oooffff...good thing that Brady kid panned out.

 

true, they're not good at this.

I liked Zac Robinson and still see his name pop up each summer as a 3rd stringer or camp arm. 

He sounded like a 30-40 year old man and was probably 22. He was very good in crunch time.

Dez was such a man amongst boys type college WR that I think those that scout had trouble gauging how good Zac was. Predraft he was 3rd round to UDFA. 

I really liked him as a BB project, was annoyed they let him go. I never noticed anything all that bad that he deserved to be cut; thought it was just number of QBs.

He hasn't made it with another team so the Pats made the right decision. I liked the concept with him though-relatively smart, played with an NFL WR, made some big throws in big games, very mature, college coaches praise him as coachable...I hope the pats draft someone with similar attributes.

Whenever an immature or pampered lazy sort of player joins the pats it drives me nuts. I'd hate to see Brady replaced by a shmoo and the way "that town" adores Brady, it's probably very important they replace him with a "good guy" the fans can get behind.

 

Brady played terribly to start last season(worst I've ever seen him) but he came around and even during his bad time he found a way to win. By year's end, he was definitely Brady-like and I didn't see signs of decline. Rosenthal's two year window is an arbitrary figure, not something cast in stone. 

 

There's an odd mindset going on where it's almost as if there are no QBs coming out next year and this draft is it. I wonder if drafting a Qb and trading him right away would actually work like Pats drafting someone in 2nd and trading him for 2015 1st. 

 

Let brady sit often this summer and leave Mallett in a lot. I don't know that they truly know if he can hack it or not. Put him out there and if not, get someone in 2015. Brady makes a lot of things look easy and they're spoiled. It'll be rough when he retires regardless of who replaces him. I'd like to see more of Mallett and try to judge what's bad and what's an unrealistic expectation that he's the next Brady. It's very likely they won't find an Andrew Luck to replace Manning type scenario, but a youngster that needs some seasoning and has growing pains.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:32 PM

CSN New England's Tom Curran reports the Texans are on the verge of acquiring Patriots QB Ryan Mallett.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

Whoa

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

CSN New England's Tom Curran reports the Texans are on the verge of acquiring Patriots QB Ryan Mallett.

I don't see them offering anything other than a 4th if this actually does happen.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:46 PM

Lofl

Look at some of the responses to that tweet. There are Pats fans who think they just got Clowney if the trade goes through.
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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:47 PM

Rotoworld take:

 

 

CSN New England's Tom Curran reports the Texans are on the verge of acquiring Patriots QB Ryan Mallett.

 

Per Curan, a deal "may soon be done." If it seems out of nowhere, it shouldn't. New Texans coach Bill O'Brien was the Patriots' offensive coordinator when they made Mallett the No. 74 overall pick of the 2011 draft, while Houston reportedly reached out to the Pats earlier this offseason. Heading into the final year of his rookie contract, Mallett has attempted just four regular-season passes. He's never been particularly impressive in the preseason, but it's not always easy for back-up signal callers to stand out in exhibition games.
 
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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:49 PM

 

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FWIW, I gave Ryan Mallett a first round grade when he came out based on tape. Character was the biggest concern. #Texans



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:54 PM

Makes sense for Houston. O'Brien was OC when NE drafted Mallet, Mallet knows O'Brien and the offense, and he won't be very expensive. They could keep the 1.01 and take Clowney and still get their 2014 QB. I think Mallet is worth a third or fourth. Why not.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:55 PM

I hope pick 33 is part of this deal.

 

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 01:00 PM

I'm going to be pissed if anyone gives the PATs more than a 4th rd pick for Mallett.


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