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Vincent Jackson, WR, San Diego Chargers (1 Viewer)

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I expect a pretty big year from vjax, assuming he stays with the chargers. This will, almost certainly, be a true contract year for him. Expect him to work hard, keep his nose clean, and put up solid numbers.

80/1200/8

 
VJax should have a big year, getting plenty of opportunities from Rivers, who loves to throw the ball downfield. The SD offense will run through Rivers. But I do have a concern that Gates is breaking down and will miss time again. That would allow defenses to double team VJax more. Never a big reception guy. Slight hit in PPR leagues, but in non-PPR, he should be close to a top 5 WR.

75 rec, 1140 yards, 9 TD

 
He should play like a man possessed, given his situation. Contract year, major chip on his shoulder and on a stellar offense all make me love his ADP @ fortyish.

70 / 1050 / 11 TDs

Definitely top 10 and possibly top 5.

So says my crystal ball.

 
Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
Obviously, it depends who he's traded. I'm inclined to say his value goes down just because of his chemistry with Rivers. However, even if he gets traded to a poorer team with a poorer QB, he's likely to get more targets in my opinion, especially if he's by far and away the #1 option.
 
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Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
Obviously, it depends who he's traded. I'm inclined to say his value goes down just because of his chemistry with Rivers. However, even if he gets traded to a poorer team with a poorer QB, he's likely to get more targets in my opinion, especially if he's by far and away the #1 option.
Yeah, its very unlikely that his qb situation combined with his talent compared to other wr on his team will be better than it is in san diego. However, anything is better than holding out 3/4 of the season.I think the best case scenario for vjax's value is that he signs long term on san diego, floyd leaves, and they get someone else to stretch the field more to give vjax some room tio work.
 
Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
It could if he goes to a team with no QB, but it could also skyrocket given his low target numbers in S.D.As a VJax owner in a bunch of leagues I'm hoping he stays this year though.
 
Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
I do. But I am in the minority who think that Rivers has made Jackson look better than he is.
I agree with this. If VJax is traded his value will plummet. I think AJ Smith wants to trade him. I would give it a 50/50 shot that VJax is back in SD next year.
I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just a bit confused. How would AJ Smith trade V Jax if he's an unrestricted free agent? I believe the only way would be for San Diego to franchise tag him (a cost of $9.5M in 2010, not sure what it will be this year), and then he would be a Charger player eligible to be traded (likely for a 2nd round pick at a minimum). Any team willing to part with a 2nd round pick and pay V Jax that kinda money for a one year deal is going to give him 130+ targets at a minimum (making him a top 20 targeted WR most likely). Call me crazy, but I can't see V Jax doing less with 130+ targets than he did with the 101 and 107 he got in 2008 and 2009. In my league last year, the worst producing WR with at least 130 targets was Brandon Marshall (coincidentally was also in his first year on a new team) who was the 24th overall WR but still had 86 catches (6th for WRs) for over 1,000 yards (16th for WRs) in only 13.5 games. If that's the kinda "floor" we're talking about "if" V Jax is traded....I'll take my chances and be very happy with him as a #2 WR with lots of upside.
 
Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
I do. But I am in the minority who think that Rivers has made Jackson look better than he is.
I agree with this. If VJax is traded his value will plummet. I think AJ Smith wants to trade him. I would give it a 50/50 shot that VJax is back in SD next year.
I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just a bit confused. How would AJ Smith trade V Jax if he's an unrestricted free agent? I believe the only way would be for San Diego to franchise tag him (a cost of $9.5M in 2010, not sure what it will be this year), and then he would be a Charger player eligible to be traded (likely for a 2nd round pick at a minimum). Any team willing to part with a 2nd round pick and pay V Jax that kinda money for a one year deal is going to give him 130+ targets at a minimum (making him a top 20 targeted WR most likely). Call me crazy, but I can't see V Jax doing less with 130+ targets than he did with the 101 and 107 he got in 2008 and 2009. In my league last year, the worst producing WR with at least 130 targets was Brandon Marshall (coincidentally was also in his first year on a new team) who was the 24th overall WR but still had 86 catches (6th for WRs) for over 1,000 yards (16th for WRs) in only 13.5 games. If that's the kinda "floor" we're talking about "if" V Jax is traded....I'll take my chances and be very happy with him as a #2 WR with lots of upside.
I believe they a;ready did before the lockout started. If a team was to trade for him they would likley sign him to a long term contract as a condition to consumating the deal, not pay him under the tag. Of ocurse that doesn't change the rest of your analysis though as they would assumedly still be paying him a hefty amount of cash.

 
Does anyone think that Vincent Jackson's value takes a significant hit if he is in fact traded this year or next??
I do. But I am in the minority who think that Rivers has made Jackson look better than he is.
I agree with this. If VJax is traded his value will plummet. I think AJ Smith wants to trade him. I would give it a 50/50 shot that VJax is back in SD next year.
I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just a bit confused. How would AJ Smith trade V Jax if he's an unrestricted free agent? I believe the only way would be for San Diego to franchise tag him (a cost of $9.5M in 2010, not sure what it will be this year), and then he would be a Charger player eligible to be traded (likely for a 2nd round pick at a minimum). Any team willing to part with a 2nd round pick and pay V Jax that kinda money for a one year deal is going to give him 130+ targets at a minimum (making him a top 20 targeted WR most likely). Call me crazy, but I can't see V Jax doing less with 130+ targets than he did with the 101 and 107 he got in 2008 and 2009. In my league last year, the worst producing WR with at least 130 targets was Brandon Marshall (coincidentally was also in his first year on a new team) who was the 24th overall WR but still had 86 catches (6th for WRs) for over 1,000 yards (16th for WRs) in only 13.5 games. If that's the kinda "floor" we're talking about "if" V Jax is traded....I'll take my chances and be very happy with him as a #2 WR with lots of upside.
I believe they a;ready did before the lockout started. If a team was to trade for him they would likley sign him to a long term contract as a condition to consumating the deal, not pay him under the tag. Of ocurse that doesn't change the rest of your analysis though as they would assumedly still be paying him a hefty amount of cash.
I thought they threw the tag on him, but he didn't sign it. So V Jax would have to walk away from the 1 year $9.5M (guaranteed) to sign the longer term deal? After not making much last year, that would be tough....
 
He has been franchised.

They had nice offers (reportedly) last year but refused to move him. The higher contract figure that comes with the franchise tag would likely change that if similar offers came in this year.

If he's traded, his FF impact will certainly depend on his landing spot. Minnesota would be a lot different than St. Louis.

 
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I'll state my bias right up front in that I am trying to trade for him. I think if he's on the field he'll put up numbers.

In SD I would peg him at 90 / 1300 / 9TDs

Someplace else with a solid QB (think St. Louis) 90 / 1000 / 7TDs

Someplace with a crap QB like Seattle I wouldn't want to speculate, but I expect solid yards (900-1100) with fewer TDs.

 
He has been franchised.

They had nice offers (reportedly) last year but refused to move him. The higher contract figure that comes with the franchise tag would likely change that if similar offers came in this year.

If he's traded, his FF impact will certainly depend on his landing spot. Minnesota would be a lot different than St. Louis.
You never know. Maybe McNabb ends up in Minn and he loves to chuck it to VJax...He will have value anywhere, but I still think his production plummets if he plays for anyone other than SD.

 
He will have value anywhere, but I still think his production plummets if he plays for anyone other than SD.
I think the opposite. SD spreads the ball so much VJ gets very few targets. A new team is likely to force him the ball, dramatically increasing his production.
 
interesting aside. on page 35 or 36 of the ruling that just came down the judges say the free agents can go back to the courts to seek redress. VJ is likely the one most damaged by the ending of the cba and the lockout. The ruling was a warning shot at the owners while still giving them a victory, and why both sides now want a deal done but with the owners wanting rights of first refusal on free agents. The players have dug in on that though and look like they will win because first refusal is very problematic.

In light of that, it is not a given that VJ or Owen Daniels or many other players with accrued time will be franchised player. I'll call it a 30% chance He/they remain franchised.

adjust you off season projections accordingly, if only incrementally. I can see solid WR #1 numbers for hin in SD and in a few other choice places like NE if he is given the green light to sign there

 
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interesting aside. on page 35 or 36 of the ruling that just came down the judges say the free agents can go back to the courts to seek redress. VJ is likely the one most damaged by the ending of the cba and the lockout. The ruling was a warning shot at the owners while still giving them a victory, and why both sides now want a deal done but with the owners wanting rights of first refusal on free agents. The players have dug in on that though and look like they will win because first refusal is very problematic.In light of that, it is not a given that VJ or Owen Daniels or many other players with accrued time will be franchised player. I'll call it a 30% chance He/they remain franchised.adjust you off season projections accordingly, if only incrementally. I can see solid WR #1 numbers for hin in SD and in a few other choice places like NE if he is given the green light to sign there
I dont really understand what you mean. How would this effect the franchise tag? I.havent heard of anything that would change how the tag is used?
 
80 / 1200 / 10
If everything falls right I could see VJax hitting those numbers, though they would be career highs in every category. He has the talent, but I think SD may just spread the ball around a bit too much to create the opportunities for VJax to truly have a dominant year (that is if he even stays in SD).
 
I'm extremely unimpressed by VJax. As a rook and second year player, I was always touting this guy but he bugs me in so many super common ways that sports fans get annoyed by players.

Five games last year because of contract gripe, empty traded demand, oh and then an injury where we debated if the guy was even in shape. Yep the discussion went to "well could he even truly be in football shape without being in an NFL camp or practice?" and people gave this guy some latitude.

Pick a site any site to find an article or forum post where someone has discussed how players will not perform as well without mini-camp, training camp, and even worse if they can't roll through preseason.

What did he attend last year? and he only played in five games.

(I'm about to ignore everyone else in the NFL because this is a thread on one player)

What did he do this offseason?

The guy "has to" concern every bit of your "practice makes perfect" and "must put the work in" mindset we all have.

I don't think anyone can reasonably project him nor claim they will or won't draft him. He's a total flyer based upon each draft and where he's available and I expect his genuine draft position to really fluctuate.

I hope this all settles down by the time the season draws near and we can believe he's a (insert round here) round pick and evaluate him.

Legadu and Seyi both did better than him last year in total catches and yards. It is a minimal advantage but it exists.

Oh but he's Vincent Jackson, a name a...it will soon be two years since he was a gem and those are impressive young WRs that do show up for practice and seem to give it their all when they get the chance.

How many dynasty folks here "fall in love" with young WRs hoping for opportunity?

Everything is in place for VJax to fail and/or be replaced.

I don't think he's stupid. He's gotta smell it and recognize it as such. I'm dying to see how he responds. I hope the Chargers young WRs are "hungry" and really keep the heat on him in practice(when they do).

I'm rooting for him, but I don't think any player sends off as many flares as he does for FF drafts.

I love Rivers and he's going to hit whomever is open and maybe even some WRs that aren't. Two big keys to the Chargers success in 2011 will be to establish a goto WR and a RB they can reply upon, VJax can sooo be a huge key here and that's why (despite the other negatives) I think he has a super high ceiling for projections.

 
What did he attend last year? and he only played in five games.

(I'm about to ignore everyone else in the NFL because this is a thread on one player)

What did he do this offseason?
Everything is in place for VJax to fail and/or be replaced.
You didn't elaborate much. Just a bunch of unorganized thoughts. You didn't claim he lacks talent.. Sounds like you think he lacks motivation? And because of that he will do poorly? Or are you saying he'll miss games/get injured/perform poorly because there is or will be little to no off season?Last season was purely a product of AJ insisting that he play while being under paid, and refusing to give him a new contract or even negotiate. That is the single biggest factor in last seasons V-Jax hiccup. He missed the beginning of the season do to a suspension, and then his refusal to bend over for Smith. Then I attribute the "injuries" to his lack of contract or money motivation. He played the minimum amount needed to gain credit for the season. And when playing, he played at a high level.

V-Jax was completely screwed over by AJ, and I expect him to play very well this season if things work out the way it seems they will. AJ placed a tag, so he'll be paid well this season if that tag sticks, pay compensation won't be a reason to lay out. And if he is playing as an eventual free agent, he'll want to blow up in hopes of signing for big money in free agency the following season. And if the Chargers are looking to move on after 2011, AJ will want to harness every ounce of that extra effort before he releases him. This could be a VERY good FF situation.

Obviously, recalculate all of that if Chargers re-sign him, or some how he moves on this off season, which are both possibilities, the latter more likely..

V-Jax could put up top 3-5 #'s this season if things go right. The talent and motivation are there..

 
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oh and then an injury where we debated if the guy was even in shape.
no one on the team doubted he was in shape. he trained VERY hard last season. In fact some attributed the injury to pushing TOO hard
Pick a site any site to find an article or forum post where someone has discussed how players will not perform as well without mini-camp, training camp, and even worse if they can't roll through preseason.
how is that relevant to this year? everyone will be playing under the same EQUAL disadvantage as far as reduced training camp
Legadu and Seyi both did better than him last year in total catches and yards. It is a minimal advantage but it exists.
:rollreally? you're going to use that argument?

Y/G

62 - Jackson

37 - Naanee

26 - Ajirotutu

And as you so helpfully pointed out, Jackson did that without attending any camps or offseason workouts

Everything is in place for VJax to fail and/or be replaced.
please explain how everything is in place for VJax to fail?he's in his prime, he's highly motivated, he's highly talented and he's proven he can produce

as far as being replaced, i don't think SD moves him this year, BUT even if they do, VJ will be fine WHEREVER he lands

I hope the Chargers young WRs are "hungry" and really keep the heat on him in practice(when they do).
it doesn't matter how 'hungry' they are, none of the Charger's young receivers have a quarter of VJ's talent
I don't think any player sends off as many flares as he does for FF drafts.
What flares? He's said he would sign the franchise tender so he's not going to be sitting out, he's not injured, he's not lazyflares not found

 
What did he attend last year? and he only played in five games.

(I'm about to ignore everyone else in the NFL because this is a thread on one player)

What did he do this offseason?
Everything is in place for VJax to fail and/or be replaced.
You didn't elaborate much. Just a bunch of unorganized thoughts. You didn't claim he lacks talent.. Sounds like you think he lacks motivation? And because of that he will do poorly? Or are you saying he'll miss games/get injured/perform poorly because there is or will be little to no off season?
yeah well we've done this VJax dance in the SP a few times so...yeah I tried to be quick some.I'll boil it down to three points-

1. It appears we'll be able to say(it is July) he hasn't played or practiced much in two years. Backatcha- how does that normally make you feel about a player in FF?

2. Like many, I've been a fan of football(or sports) for many years and he has done many things that always irritate me as a longtime fan. It's not just me, common things that irritate most fans. I'm not going out on a limb re-practice, injuries, hold out, trade demand etc. Backatcha-Why is VJax almost forgiven in the SP, but most any other player would be jumped on here?

3. Yeah I don't have a clue what to project with him. The positives and negatives are so great here that he makes for an odd player to project. I think I could give a fair argument that he wouldn't do well and also that he'd perform fabulously. He's extremely difficult to project. I feel more warm N fuzzy if I read raves during (hopeful) training camp. Of course it's that way with any player, but I feel like I need to read that about him this year. It's somewhat essential.

 
I'll boil it down to three points-

1. It appears we'll be able to say(it is July) he hasn't played or practiced much in two years. Backatcha- how does that normally make you feel about a player in FF?
He performed just fine the last 4 games of the season. There's no reason to expect him to suddenly fall off a cliff.
2. Like many, I've been a fan of football(or sports) for many years and he has done many things that always irritate me as a longtime fan. It's not just me, common things that irritate most fans. I'm not going out on a limb re-practice, injuries, hold out, trade demand etc. Backatcha-Why is VJax almost forgiven in the SP, but most any other player would be jumped on here?
Because VJ had a legitimate case and wasn't trying to back out of a contract he signed, unlike many other playersinjury issues? he's missed 3 games over the last 4 years because of injury

3. Yeah I don't have a clue what to project with him. The positives and negatives are so great here that he makes for an odd player to project. I think I could give a fair argument that he wouldn't do well
you haven't done it yet
 
I'm in the camp that this is going to be a career year for Jackson. He's still in search of that big payday. I feel that he'll stay in S.D., but I think he'll succeed no matter who he's playing for.

What I don't get are the people that are projecting him to become a possession receiver. He's never been a possession receiver and I surely don't think he'll start now. I've seen a couple of projections in this thread of him averaging less than 12.5 yards per reception. His career average is 17.2 yards per catch. That is also his lowest average over the last 3 years.

My projections: 75 rec. 1240 yards 10 TD's.

 
injury issues? he's missed 3 games over the last 4 years because of injury
Five years ago he was a rook, if you cut that out sure it makes this appear better. This:"Myth of Jackson faking injury busted"http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Myth-Busted-of-Jackson-Faking-Injury-111066029.htmlWas a huge story last year by plenty of reputable reporters and news organizations not just some junk on the web, but a real story on AP, CBS, Fox, NBC, ...you name it. Since when in FF do you like to read stories that your WR might be faking an injury?
 
Because VJ had a legitimate case and wasn't trying to back out of a contract he signed, unlike many other players
He wasn't? So he played 16 games last year? Or did he come back to play simply what amount to an accrued season?How many other players on your FF team only played the minimum number of games for an accrued season?I think the guy CAN be enormous in FF but evaluation discussions are going to be worthless if Chargers fans just shine over anything negative that ever existed. We need to "drink" it all in and then form a conclusion, not this pretentious garbage.
 
My assumption is that Vincent Jackson is in SD again this year.

I love VJax in non-PPR leagues, especially leagues that reward big plays. I think he is the most likely receiver to break into a top-3 spot and outperform his ADP.

78/1275/11

 
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injury issues? he's missed 3 games over the last 4 years because of injury
Five years ago he was a rook, if you cut that out sure it makes this appear better. This:"Myth of Jackson faking injury busted"http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Myth-Busted-of-Jackson-Faking-Injury-111066029.htmlWas a huge story last year by plenty of reputable reporters and news organizations not just some junk on the web, but a real story on AP, CBS, Fox, NBC, ...you name it. Since when in FF do you like to read stories that your WR might be faking an injury?
Certainly the organization, and his co-workers aren't going to say he's using a minor injury as an excuse to lay out.. When have you ever heard and organization, player, or player rep say that? This is a PR piece..A calf strain... Really? I know you're smarter than that..
 
Because VJ had a legitimate case and wasn't trying to back out of a contract he signed, unlike many other players
He wasn't? So he played 16 games last year?
dude, do you even pay attention to your own posts?you asked "Why is VJax almost forgiven in the SP, but most any other player would be jumped on here?" in regards "hold out, trade demand etc"I answered "Because VJ had a legitimate case"was I saying he didn't hold out? No. I was explaining why his hold-out was forgiven (more so than others anyways)
Or did he come back to play simply what amount to an accrued season?How many other players on your FF team only played the minimum number of games for an accrued season?I think the guy CAN be enormous in FF but evaluation discussions are going to be worthless if Chargers fans just shine over anything negative that ever existed. We need to "drink" it all in and then form a conclusion, not this pretentious garbage.
Last year was a unique circumstance (6th year player slapped with RFA tag), it will NOT happen again. There is zero chance VJ sits out. There is nothing to 'drink' in.
 
injury issues? he's missed 3 games over the last 4 years because of injury
Five years ago he was a rook, if you cut that out sure it makes this appear better.
and?
Was a huge story last year by plenty of reputable reporters and news organizations not just some junk on the web, but a real story on AP, CBS, Fox, NBC, ...you name it. Since when in FF do you like to read stories that your WR might be faking an injury?
there was ZERO evidence that VJ was faking anything, only some unfortunate timing led to some STUPID SPECULATION that he was faking.let me axe you something: if VJ was faking that injury, why didn't he just fake one the rest of the season? why play at all?If you had been following Acee at all, you would know how bad VJ wanted to be on the field and it was the training staff that kept him off
 
Certainly the organization, and his co-workers aren't going to say he's using a minor injury as an excuse to lay out.. When have you ever heard and organization, player, or player rep say that?
In an official quote, of course not.YET unofficial unhappiness always leaks out from 'anonymous team sources' and whatnot.There was ZERO indication and ZERO rumor from anyone connected with the team of VJ's injury not being legit.It was only stupid pundits with nothing better to do than stir up trouble.
 
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injury issues? he's missed 3 games over the last 4 years because of injury
Five years ago he was a rook, if you cut that out sure it makes this appear better.
and?
Was a huge story last year by plenty of reputable reporters and news organizations not just some junk on the web, but a real story on AP, CBS, Fox, NBC, ...you name it. Since when in FF do you like to read stories that your WR might be faking an injury?
there was ZERO evidence that VJ was faking anything, only some unfortunate timing led to some STUPID SPECULATION that he was faking.let me axe you something: if VJ was faking that injury, why didn't he just fake one the rest of the season? why play at all?If you had been following Acee at all, you would know how bad VJ wanted to be on the field and it was the training staff that kept him off
He needed to play to get credit for the season, and to showcase his talent for what he expected would be free agency in 2011
 
He needed to play to get credit for the season
false, he did not have to play a single game to get credit
and to showcase his talent for what he expected would be free agency in 2011
and if he needed to showcase his talent, why would he be faking an injury to sit-out?if his goal was to not play, he would have 'fake-injured' himself out of all gamesif he was showcasing, he would want as much opportunity (and games) to do it in as possiblewhatever you believe his goal was, being injured 2 and playing 4 makes no senseunless of course, you know, HE WAS ACTUALLY INJURED
 
false, he did not have to play a single game to get credit
O really?... I think you're mistaken..Wonder why Micheal Bush isn't getting credit for his first season then?
and if he needed to showcase his talent, why would he be faking an injury to sit-out?if his goal was to not play, he would have 'fake-injured' himself out of all gamesif he was showcasing, he would want as much opportunity (and games) to do it in as possiblewhatever you believe his goal was, being injured 2 and playing 4 makes no senseunless of course, you know, HE WAS ACTUALLY INJURED
I thought everyone in FF know that you had to play a minimum amount of the season to get credit for the season.Standard application when other players had held out.. They know how many games, or by which date they must report to work in order to gain credit for the season.Sorry you aren't aware of this, but it has been covered in this forum in the past..
 
false, he did not have to play a single game to get credit
O really?... I think you're mistaken..Wonder why Micheal Bush isn't getting credit for his first season then?
NON-football injury
I thought everyone in FF know that you had to play a minimum amount of the season to get credit for the season.
it's not PLAY, it's BE ON THE ROSTERsorry you weren't aware of thisedit:FYIhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836
Question: What constitutes an “accrued season?”Answer: Six or more regular-season games on a club’s active/inactive, reserved-injured or physically unable to perform lists.
 
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false, he did not have to play a single game to get credit
O really?... I think you're mistaken..Wonder why Micheal Bush isn't getting credit for his first season then?
NON-football injury
I thought everyone in FF know that you had to play a minimum amount of the season to get credit for the season.
it's not PLAY, it's BE ON THE ROSTERsorry you weren't aware of thisedit:FYIhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836
Question: What constitutes an “accrued season?”Answer: Six or more regular-season games on a club’s active/inactive, reserved-injured or physically unable to perform lists.
So he reported for the last 6 games right? looks like he filled the league minimum 2 "injured" + 4 active...I still believe this was his aim. Play enough to showcase talent, and limit his exposure to "real injuries", and accrue a season...He could have played more games then that if he wanted to right? Do you think it was just a coincidence that he was only meeting the criteria to accrue the season? He could have signed the tender and only missed the original suspension games...
 
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So he reported for the last 6 games right?
yes
Do you think it was just a coincidence that he was only meeting the criteria to accrue the season?
of course not
He could have signed the tender and only missed the original suspension games...
Obviously he wanted to sign-on for the minimum games possible for that insulting salary, BUT future contract demands dictate that he not be a 'headcase' or a 'distraction'. In other words, once he signed to play, he PLAYED.He was very scrupulous about this. You never heard a peep from him the previous year when he was playing out his rookie contract at a RIDICULOUSLY cheap price. If he had been a more 'typical' prima-donna you would have heard rumblings from him about sitting out 2009.In other words, he's demonstrated that once he signs a contract, he's a man of his word. He might not have wanted to sign on for the last 6 game, but once he did, he was committed and he gave it his all.
 
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So he reported for the last 6 games right?
yes
Do you think it was just a coincidence that he was only meeting the criteria to accrue the season?
of course not
He could have signed the tender and only missed the original suspension games...
Obviously he wanted to sign-on for the minimum games possible for that insulting salary, BUT future contract demands dictate that he not be a 'headcase' or a 'distraction'. In other words, once he signed to play, he PLAYED.He was very scrupulous about this. You never heard a peep from him the previous year when he was playing out his rookie contract at a RIDICULOUSLY cheap price. If he had been a more 'typical' prima-donna you would have heard rumblings from him about sitting out 2009.In other words, he's demonstrated that once he signs a contract, he's a man of his word. He might not have wanted to sign on for the last 6 game, but once he did, he was committed and he gave it his all.
I still think he could have played those 2 "injury games".. I think he was taking extra precaution, and limiting his exposure to injury, or further injury. I've never heard of a player missing playing time for a "calf strain". So I don't believe he was giving it "his all" until the last 4 games. But I'll give him a pass because as you said, and I agree, he was being forced to play "at a RIDICULOUSLY cheap price" after he had been a team player all the way up to that point. He was being bent over by AJ Smith, and it wasn't fair to him, no fault to V-Jax, he did what was right for him.
 
Craxie, obviously you're a V-Jax fan, and I'm not sure you understand that I am too. I'm not trying to denigrate his character, I believe he was completely justified in his recourse. You're a Chargers fan, so you know the story, he was a good guy being jerked around.

 

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