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[Wrigley]

I know it's late, but no better time than the present.

12 team keeper league

Keepers values are based on where they are drafted, with their keeper value increasing with years kept.

We are eligible to keep $18 worth of players(keeper value)

C: J Monerto(1) R Martin(1)
1B: L Berkman(2) T Helton(1)
2B: D Espinosa(2) D Ackley(1)
3B: R Zimmerman(5)
SS: Y Escobar(1)
OF: N Cruz(6) R Braun(5) H Pence(4) B Harper(2) J Francoeur(1) M Trout(1)

SP: D Price(4) M Scherzer(4) I Kennedy(2) E Santana(2) J Jurrjens(2) V Worley(1) J Teheran(1)
RP: A Aceves(1) A Vizcaino(1)

Remember 18 total

I could throw Zimmerman back(missed lots of time this year)

Whatcha think?

Edited by Wrigley, 25 January 2013 - 10:18 AM.

[shadyridr]

id definitely keep kennedy over francouer. not suren how to cut the extra $1

[dparker713]

I'd throw back Zimmerman at 5. I also think Pence is pricy at 4 though I think I'd keep him anyway.

With the extra 5 I'd keep Berkman, Kennedy and Sanatan while also throwing back Francoeur.

[the moops]

Montero (1)
Berkman (2)
Ackley (1)
Zimmer (5)
Braun (5)
Trout (1)
Francouer (1)
Kennedy (2)

Edited by the moops, 04 October 2011 - 06:53 PM.

[shadyridr]

Zimmerman at 5 is terrible value

[Oh Yes!]

lol

[Oh Yes!]

J Monerto(1)
L Berkman(2)
D Ackley(1)
R Braun(5)
H Pence(4)
M Trout(1)

I Kennedy(2)
V Worley(1)/J Teheran(1)????

[Wrigley]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

[rodg12]

Is this roto? What are the scoring categories?

[Wrigley]

Is this roto? What are the scoring categories?

Good question

5X5 w/OBP instead of BA

[rodg12]

I'd probably go

Braun (5)
Price (4)
Pence (4)
Kennedy (2)
Escobar (1)
Montero (1)
Ackley (1)

[Eephus]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

[Wrigley]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

Yes he is(22 SB's are what stood out to me), and what's wrong with OBP as a roto category?

[Eephus]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

Yes he is(22 SB's are what stood out to me), and what's wrong with OBP as a roto category?

22 SBs missed equaling his career totals by one. His 22-10 success rate is of dubious value in real-life but it's hard to argue with the managerial record of Ned Yost

OBP is a fine category unless you have Jeff Francoeur on your team. He has to have a year like 2011 to be just league average in OBP. There's no question he had a productive year this year but I think he's a regression risk.

A buck is a fair salary but OF is a deep position. How many teams and OF slots do you play?

[rodg12]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

Yes he is(22 SB's are what stood out to me), and what's wrong with OBP as a roto category?

Francoeur loses value in an OBP league. Quite a bit, actually. His .285 BA is above average and an asset. However, his .329 OBP is average or slightly below which takes some of his value away.

Edited by rodg12, 05 October 2011 - 10:27 AM.

[Wrigley]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

Yes he is(22 SB's are what stood out to me), and what's wrong with OBP as a roto category?

22 SBs missed equaling his career totals by one. His 22-10 success rate is of dubious value in real-life but it's hard to argue with the managerial record of Ned Yost

OBP is a fine category unless you have Jeff Francoeur on your team. He has to have a year like 2011 to be just league average in OBP. There's no question he had a productive year this year but I think he's a regression risk.

A buck is a fair salary but OF is a deep position. How many teams and OF slots do you play?

4 OF + 2 UTL spots.

[dparker713]

I wasn't originally thinking of keeping Francouer either

but: 77-20-87-22 throw in an OBP of .329.....he's looking pretty good

He's still Jeff Francoeur and you're still in an OBP league

Yes he is(22 SB's are what stood out to me), and what's wrong with OBP as a roto category?

He has 45 career SBs, 22 of which came this year.

Also, he got lucky to get an OBP that high. He's not a .285 hitter, nor is he likely to repeat in the power categories. If you're keeping him, do it because you expect 65-15-70-10-.310, not because you expect him to repeat his career year.

And if this is a OBP league, I'd seriously consider throwing back Pence and taking Price.

[Wrigley]

Braun ####ed me

now what?

[shadyridr]

Braun ####ed me

now what?

get Valtrex prescription

[jfranco77]

Braun ####ed me

now what?

Well it seems like 5 is not a bad price... can you keep him at that price in 2013 as well? If so I'd lean towards keeping him anyway.

C: J Monerto(1) R Martin(1)
1B: L Berkman(2) T Helton(1)
2B: D Espinosa(2) D Ackley(1)
3B: R Zimmerman(5)
SS: Y Escobar(1)
OF: N Cruz(6) R Braun(5) H Pence(4) B Harper(2) J Francoeur(1) M Trout(1)

SP: D Price(4) M Scherzer(4) I Kennedy(2) E Santana(2) J Jurrjens(2) V Worley(1) J Teheran(1)
RP: A Aceves(1) A Vizcaino(1)

Montero (1), Berkman (2), Ackley (1), Trout (1), Kennedy (2) - that's $7 of definites, leaving $11 for the rest. I think I'd rather have Pence over Zim, and you can't keep Pence/Price/Braun.

So if you can keep Braun for 2013 and beyond at that price, then keep him anyway, along with whichever of Price/Pence you like better and a couple of $1 guys. If you can't, then I'd keep both Price/Pence.

[Wrigley]

Braun ####ed me

now what?

Well it seems like 5 is not a bad price... can you keep him at that price in 2013 as well? If so I'd lean towards keeping him anyway.

C: J Monerto(1) R Martin(1)
1B: L Berkman(2) T Helton(1)
2B: D Espinosa(2) D Ackley(1)
3B: R Zimmerman(5)
SS: Y Escobar(1)
OF: N Cruz(6) R Braun(5) H Pence(4) B Harper(2) J Francoeur(1) M Trout(1)

SP: D Price(4) M Scherzer(4) I Kennedy(2) E Santana(2) J Jurrjens(2) V Worley(1) J Teheran(1)
RP: A Aceves(1) A Vizcaino(1)

Montero (1), Berkman (2), Ackley (1), Trout (1), Kennedy (2) - that's $7 of definites, leaving $11 for the rest. I think I'd rather have Pence over Zim, and you can't keep Pence/Price/Braun.

So if you can keep Braun for 2013 and beyond at that price, then keep him anyway, along with whichever of Price/Pence you like better and a couple of $1 guys. If you can't, then I'd keep both Price/Pence.

Unfortunately, each year a player is kept, his value increases by $2

Does anyone think Pujos move to ANA will effect Trout?

[Captain Hook]

Does anyone think Pujos move to ANA will effect Trout?

Not Pujols per se....BUT if Morales is back and Trumbo isn't traded and they don't get rid of Abreu, there aren't enough chairs when the music stops.

As the team is constructed today I would expect Trout to start the year at AAA

[Eephus]

Does anyone think Pujos move to ANA will effect Trout?

Not Pujols per se....BUT if Morales is back and Trumbo isn't traded and they don't get rid of Abreu, there aren't enough chairs when the music stops.

As the team is constructed today I would expect Trout to start the year at AAA

Even so, you still have to hold him

[Captain Hook]

Does anyone think Pujos move to ANA will effect Trout?

Not Pujols per se....BUT if Morales is back and Trumbo isn't traded and they don't get rid of Abreu, there aren't enough chairs when the music stops.

As the team is constructed today I would expect Trout to start the year at AAA

Even so, you still have to hold him

Oh ABSO####INGLUTELY

[Captain Placeholder]

replace braun with price and teherenenenen

[pantagrapher]

14-team 5x5 roto. Keep 5. Here's my list:

Alex Avila
Peter Bourjos
Mike Carp
Coco Crisp
Edwin Encarnacion
Danny Espinosa
Jeff Francoeur
Chris Heisey
John Mayberry
Eduardo Nunez
Carlos Peña
Eric Thames
Vernon Wells

Pitchers
Brandon Beachy
Rafael Betancourt
Rubby De La Rosa
Daniel Hudson
Mark Melancon
Ivan Nova
Sergio Santos

Right now I'm leaning toward: Espinosa, Nunez, Beachy, Santos and Betancourt

I like Mayberry if he starts. I was also very impressed with Encarnacion in the second half last season. I like Hudson; I've had him for two years and he's pretty reliable, but none of the gaudy #s that will help win a league.

[Wrigley]

title change

Might as well keep all the keeper questions in one place.

[shadyridr]

I need to keep 5. Please note there is no value tied to each player & I play in a points league where pitcher scoring is a little ridiculous. Thus pitchers have more value than most leagues. Ill just list the guys who are in the mix and bold the ones Im planning on keeping right now. I can only keep these players for two more years. I can use some advice:

JUpton
JReyes
Grienke
Kennedy
McCann
Sandoval
Morse
Cruz
Pence


Please note I traded away Kershaw for Reyes & Marcum in this league last year and wanted to kill myself. I also traded away Cabrera for JUp & Price and then turned around and traded away Price for Kennedy & Sandoval to shore up my playoff run.

[pantagrapher]

I need to keep 5. Please note there is no value tied to each player & I play in a points league where pitcher scoring is a little ridiculous. Thus pitchers have more value than most leagues. Ill just list the guys who are in the mix and bold the ones Im planning on keeping right now. I can only keep these players for two more years. I can use some advice:

JUpton
JReyes
Grienke
Kennedy
McCann
Sandoval
Morse
Cruz
Pence


Please note I traded away Kershaw for Reyes & Marcum in this league last year and wanted to kill myself. I also traded away Cabrera for JUp & Price and then turned around and traded away Price for Kennedy & Sandoval to shore up my playoff run.

I think you have the right five guys picked.

[Angry Beavers]

Protect 2 of 3:
5x5 roto:
Profar
Machado
Arrenado

I am leaning Profar and Arrenado (after what he did this fall)
thoughts?

[DMXATF23]

H2h 12 Team. Keep 6

M. Cabrera
J. Upton
A. McCutchen
D. Jennings
C. Crawford
E. Hosmer
M. Wieters
H. Kendrick
Cliff Lee
A. Wainwright
J. Garcia

[Captain Hook]

Protect 2 of 3:
5x5 roto:
Profar
Machado
Arrenado

I am leaning Profar and Arrenado (after what he did this fall)
thoughts?

Presumably long term keeper league with minor league draft......and no salaries involved

I would keep Arenado and Machado
Arenado is clearly #1 - he will have a chance to make the Rockies out of spring training and that will only happen if he is going to play 3B everyday (Casey Blake ain't blocking his path)
As far as the shortstops, I like Machado better as a hitter but say you call them even.
Who has the tougher path to the majors?
Machado to replace a 29 year old J.J. Hardy? (for a losing Baltimore team where the fans would love to cheer for a young star)
Profar to replace a 23 year old Elvis Andrus? (where the team is set to compete for several years)

[Angry Beavers]

Protect 2 of 3:
5x5 roto:
Profar
Machado
Arrenado

I am leaning Profar and Arrenado (after what he did this fall)
thoughts?

Presumably long term keeper league with minor league draft......and no salaries involved

I would keep Arenado and Machado
Arenado is clearly #1 - he will have a chance to make the Rockies out of spring training and that will only happen if he is going to play 3B everyday (Casey Blake ain't blocking his path)
As far as the shortstops, I like Machado better as a hitter but say you call them even.
Who has the tougher path to the majors?
Machado to replace a 29 year old J.J. Hardy? (for a losing Baltimore team where the fans would love to cheer for a young star)
Profar to replace a 23 year old Elvis Andrus? (where the team is set to compete for several years)

Thanks!

[Angry Beavers]

H2h 12 Team. Keep 6

M. Cabrera
J. Upton
A. McCutchen
D. Jennings
C. Crawford
E. Hosmer
M. Wieters
H. Kendrick
Cliff Lee
A. Wainwright
J. Garcia

Great Problem to have.. I go with these, but arguments can also be made for just about everyone. I view Kendrick and Garcia as the weakest selections of the bunch.

[DMXATF23]

H2h 12 Team. Keep 6

M. Cabrera
J. Upton
A. McCutchen
D. Jennings
C. Crawford
E. Hosmer
M. Wieters
H. Kendrick
Cliff Lee
A. Wainwright
J. Garcia

Great Problem to have.. I go with these, but arguments can also be made for just about everyone. I view Kendrick and Garcia as the weakest selections of the bunch.

Ya, can't decide between Crawford, Wieters, or Hosmer

[Captain Hook]

H2h 12 Team. Keep 6

M. Cabrera
J. Upton
A. McCutchen
D. Jennings
C. Crawford
E. Hosmer
M. Wieters
H. Kendrick
Cliff Lee
A. Wainwright
J. Garcia

No details on league size or starting lineups

I read later posts and you say choice is Hosmer,Crawford, or Wieters
For keeper leagues Hosmer is the clear choice IMO (especially in one catcher leagues)

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm in a 10 team h2h league and we're switching to keeping 1 player this year. We can keep a guy based on where we drafted him. I have 2 choices....

1 - Keep Pujols and give up my 1st round pick.....not sure what draft order is yet so this could be pretty good value if I end up picking 10th. Uber-elite power/BA numbers are hard to come by.

2 - Keep J Upton and give up my 5th rounder....I see ADP's with Upton in the 1st so this would be really good value. And I would keep my 1st round pick.

[pantagrapher]

I'm in a 10 team h2h league and we're switching to keeping 1 player this year. We can keep a guy based on where we drafted him. I have 2 choices....

1 - Keep Pujols and give up my 1st round pick.....not sure what draft order is yet so this could be pretty good value if I end up picking 10th. Uber-elite power/BA numbers are hard to come by.

2 - Keep J Upton and give up my 5th rounder....I see ADP's with Upton in the 1st so this would be really good value. And I would keep my 1st round pick.

Keeping Upton is the slam dunk choice here. Not even much to think about, as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by pantagrapher, 03 February 2012 - 09:52 AM.

[pantagrapher]

14-team 5x5 roto. Keep 5. Here's my list:

Alex Avila
Peter Bourjos
Mike Carp
Coco Crisp
Edwin Encarnacion
Danny Espinosa
Jeff Francoeur
Chris Heisey
John Mayberry
Eduardo Nunez
Carlos Peña
Eric Thames
Vernon Wells

Pitchers
Brandon Beachy
Rafael Betancourt
Rubby De La Rosa
Daniel Hudson
Mark Melancon
Ivan Nova
Sergio Santos

Right now I'm leaning toward: Espinosa, Nunez, Beachy, Santos and Betancourt

I like Mayberry if he starts. I was also very impressed with Encarnacion in the second half last season. I like Hudson; I've had him for two years and he's pretty reliable, but none of the gaudy #s that will help win a league.

I've already completely changed my mind. Looking at going with Santos, Betancourt, Beachy, Hudson and Vernon Wells. I still like Nunez, if he has a role that'll get him 450-500 ABs.

[rodg12]

I'm in a 10 team h2h league and we're switching to keeping 1 player this year. We can keep a guy based on where we drafted him. I have 2 choices....

1 - Keep Pujols and give up my 1st round pick.....not sure what draft order is yet so this could be pretty good value if I end up picking 10th. Uber-elite power/BA numbers are hard to come by.

2 - Keep J Upton and give up my 5th rounder....I see ADP's with Upton in the 1st so this would be really good value. And I would keep my 1st round pick.

Keeping Upton is the slam dunk choice here. Not even much to think about, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed. I think Upton has to be the choice here.

[rodg12]

14-team 5x5 roto. Keep 5. Here's my list:

Alex Avila
Peter Bourjos
Mike Carp
Coco Crisp
Edwin Encarnacion
Danny Espinosa
Jeff Francoeur
Chris Heisey
John Mayberry
Eduardo Nunez
Carlos Peña
Eric Thames
Vernon Wells

Pitchers
Brandon Beachy
Rafael Betancourt
Rubby De La Rosa
Daniel Hudson
Mark Melancon
Ivan Nova
Sergio Santos

Right now I'm leaning toward: Espinosa, Nunez, Beachy, Santos and Betancourt

I like Mayberry if he starts. I was also very impressed with Encarnacion in the second half last season. I like Hudson; I've had him for two years and he's pretty reliable, but none of the gaudy #s that will help win a league.

I've already completely changed my mind. Looking at going with Santos, Betancourt, Beachy, Hudson and Vernon Wells. I still like Nunez, if he has a role that'll get him 450-500 ABs.

I'd go Avila, Espinosa, Hudson, Nova, Santos.

[dparker713]

I'm in a 10 team h2h league and we're switching to keeping 1 player this year. We can keep a guy based on where we drafted him. I have 2 choices....

1 - Keep Pujols and give up my 1st round pick.....not sure what draft order is yet so this could be pretty good value if I end up picking 10th. Uber-elite power/BA numbers are hard to come by.

2 - Keep J Upton and give up my 5th rounder....I see ADP's with Upton in the 1st so this would be really good value. And I would keep my 1st round pick.

Keeping Upton is the slam dunk choice here. Not even much to think about, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed. I think Upton has to be the choice here.

Depends to me on whether he can keep Upton in perpetuity as a 5th rounder. If there is some escalation from year to year I think its alot closer.

[The Ref]

10 team AL only 5X5 (OBP, not BA) $260 cap 7 keepers

The 5 guys highlighted are penciled in already. Curious if anyone has issues with these 5, but I'm more interested who you would fill in at the last 2.

2 Avila
10 Bautista
18 Mike Young
19 Kornerko
1 Hafner
25 Ellsburry
27 Beckett
18 Pineda
13 D Bard
11 Bailey

Edited by The Ref, 03 February 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[Matthias]

10 team AL only 5X5 (OBP, not BA) $260 cap 7 keepers

The 5 guys highlighted are penciled in already. Curious if anyone has issues with these 5, but I'm more interested who you would fill in at the last 2.

2 Avila
10 Bautista
18 Mike Young
19 Kornerko
1 Hafner
25 Ellsburry
27 Beckett
18 Pineda
13 D Bard
11 Bailey

Beckett and either Young or Konerko

[Man In The Box]

10 team 5X5 roto. We start 2 at each INF position and 5 OF. No UTIL. Keep 3 players, but the catch is you can only keep players for one year. Last year I kept Halladay, Hamilton, and Youkilis so I have to throw them back. This year I have Kemp as a no-brainer. I also have Hamels, who I am pretty sold on keeping. I am leaning towards Hosmer as my #3. Anyone disagree?

M Olivo
J Montero
E Hosmer
P Konerko
K Youkilis
R Andino
A Hill
H Kendrick
C McGehee
D Viciedo
I Desmond
J Lowrie
A Escobar
M Kemp
C Beltran
J Hamilton
J Damon
M Holliday
L Morrison
J Hellickson
R Halladay
R Oswalt
C Hamels
V Worley
I Kennedy
D Hudson
D Storen
R Madson

Edited by Man In The Box, 04 February 2012 - 09:11 AM.

[Matthias]

10 team 5X5 roto. We start 2 at each INF position and 5 OF. No UTIL. Keep 3 players, but the catch is you can only keep players for one year. Last year I kept Halladay, Hamilton, and Youkilis so I have to throw them back. This year I have Kemp as a no-brainer. I also have Hamels, who I am pretty sold on keeping. I am leaning towards Hosmer as my #3. Anyone disagree?

Hosmer > Holliday?

[Man In The Box]

10 team 5X5 roto. We start 2 at each INF position and 5 OF. No UTIL. Keep 3 players, but the catch is you can only keep players for one year. Last year I kept Halladay, Hamilton, and Youkilis so I have to throw them back. This year I have Kemp as a no-brainer. I also have Hamels, who I am pretty sold on keeping. I am leaning towards Hosmer as my #3. Anyone disagree?

Hosmer > Holliday?

I admit, I have a decent sized man-crush on Hosmer. I'm also kinda down on Holliday. Seems lately that he's always dinged and I think his production is sure to take a hit sans Pujols. The fact that I'm already keeping an OF is factoring in as well. There aren't going to be many stud 1B's to draft by the looks of things.

[Matthias]

10 team 5X5 roto. We start 2 at each INF position and 5 OF. No UTIL. Keep 3 players, but the catch is you can only keep players for one year. Last year I kept Halladay, Hamilton, and Youkilis so I have to throw them back. This year I have Kemp as a no-brainer. I also have Hamels, who I am pretty sold on keeping. I am leaning towards Hosmer as my #3. Anyone disagree?

Hosmer > Holliday?

I admit, I have a decent sized man-crush on Hosmer. I'm also kinda down on Holliday. Seems lately that he's always dinged and I think his production is sure to take a hit sans Pujols. The fact that I'm already keeping an OF is factoring in as well. There aren't going to be many stud 1B's to draft by the looks of things.

Yah, but keeper decisions always have 2 dimensions.

1: What players are going to perform the best?
2: What would I have to give up to get back the players I release?

I haven't thought too hard on how your settings jimmy with rankings, but my guess is that even if you think Hosmer is a better bet for this year, you could get him back 2 or more rounds after you could get Holliday. So your re-acquisition price is lower. If nothing else, you can always flip Holliday to someone else who is a believer once the draft is done.

FWIW, I think 1b is pretty deep this year. You're only going 20 down versus 50 OFers and Hosmer is much closer to replacement with that than Holliday is.

[The Ref]

10 team AL only 5X5 (OBP, not BA) $260 cap 7 keepers

The 5 guys highlighted are penciled in already. Curious if anyone has issues with these 5, but I'm more interested who you would fill in at the last 2.

2 Avila
10 Bautista
18 Mike Young
19 Kornerko
1 Hafner
25 Ellsburry
27 Beckett
18 Pineda
13 D Bard
11 Bailey

Beckett and either Young or Konerko

Thanks.

Verlander, CC, Haren and King Felix are all available in the draft, but Aces go for big bucks in my Legg. I hate to pay the $27 for Beckett, but it keeps me out of the Ace market.

I'm leaning Korky over Young. Young is very well rounded but the only guys left in the draft that have a realistic shot at 30 bombs are Pujols, Prince, Reynolds and Beltre. I guess what I'm saying is there is a premium on power.

I'll be spending more then 8 teams by my projections but nobody has my tallent and I'm not forced to get into any bidding wars. That in it's self makes spending the money pre drat worth it IMHO.

[Captain Hook]

10 team AL only 5X5 (OBP, not BA) $260 cap 7 keepers

The 5 guys highlighted are penciled in already. Curious if anyone has issues with these 5, but I'm more interested who you would fill in at the last 2.

2 Avila
10 Bautista
18 Mike Young
19 Kornerko
1 Hafner
25 Ellsburry
27 Beckett
18 Pineda
13 D Bard
11 Bailey

Beckett and either Young or Konerko

Thanks.

Verlander, CC, Haren and King Felix are all available in the draft, but Aces go for big bucks in my Legg. I hate to pay the $27 for Beckett, but it keeps me out of the Ace market.

I'm leaning Korky over Young. Young is very well rounded but the only guys left in the draft that have a realistic shot at 30 bombs are Pujols, Prince, Reynolds and Beltre. I guess what I'm saying is there is a premium on power.

I'll be spending more then 8 teams by my projections but nobody has my tallent and I'm not forced to get into any bidding wars. That in it's self makes spending the money pre drat worth it IMHO.

Verlander, CC, Haren and King Felix are all available in the draft, but Aces go for big bucks in my Legg. I hate to pay the $27 for Beckett, but it keeps me out of the Ace market

This is very poor thinking and saddles you with overpaying for Beckett who is NOT an ace. I would rather pay more to get more.