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Some PPR Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)

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1 pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15

Tier 1 - 12/7/2011

1. Cam Newton:

Newton is in a position to the be the most unique fantasy asset during the duration of his career. When we think back to other dynasty sustaining players, like LT, Peyton, Randy, TO - the things they did on the field to produce more fantasy points than their peers, their peers also did. In other words, LT simply did what RBs do more effectively than other RBs. Peyton simply threw for more yards/TDs than other QBs.

Cam offers a freaky potential that no other player in the league can offer: the ability to produce based on a unique skill set that his peers don't and will never posses. He is on pace to throw for well over 4,000 yards, throw more TDs than INTs, rush for 600 yards and 14 TDs. That would be amazing for a veteran, let alone a rookie with no training camp, no WR2, only 1 year of major college football, who started from day 1.

I have watched Cam play a lot, there is no player I would rather watch in the NFL right now. All of the potential he offers amounts to nothing if he doesn't have what it takes to win NFL games for 10+ years. I personally have not doubt that he can. His personality scared some people off during the scouting process. He seemed to have a warped opinion of who he was and what he was capable of doing. If the 1984 NBA draft process was the spectacle that the 2011 NFL draft was, Michael Jordan would have had a lot of those concerns too. That chip that Jordan carried with him, justified or not, that made him believe he was going to be the best ever, I think Cam has as well.

To address the injury concerns briefly, I don't have any. He is smart and rarely takes open field hits. He is as big or bigger than most of the people hitting him and slides/gets out of bounds when he needs to. I would be much more concerned about a pocket QB that held onto the ball for too long. This is not a Michael Vick situation.

Think back to what Cam did at Auburn, what he meant to that team and university - think how special his year was. That is how special his rookie season has been, in my opinion, it's clearly not a fluke. He is a special athlete. As high as his price to acquire is right now, if he is as legit as I think he is, it won't be this low again until his age becomes a concern.

2. Aaron Rodgers:

Like Calvin Johnson, there is not much to say about Rodgers. I will explain my ranking of Rodgers below Cam, however. Rodgers doesn't have the upside that Cam does, as crazy as that sounds. The Green Bay Packers will likely, at one point during Aaron's career, need to rely more on the run game. The elite QB seasons, like Rodgers is having, often come back down to earth. See Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as examples. Both of them had ridiculous seasons and both came back down to earth, while remaining elite. Rodgers has produced more VBD this season, half way through, than he did all of last year. Rodgers can stay the best QB in the NFL and still not do what he is doing this season - a lot of things are going right, in other words. Back to Cam, Cam has the potential to be Rodgers, if Rodgers was the goal line back for his team. Tier 2. (Big drop here)

3. Matthew Stafford:

Stafford is not the QB that those ranked right below him are, yet. He may never be. But his age, physical skill, team situation, and general potential place him here in my rankings. He has 10+ years to amass the VBD that guys like Brady and Bress will over the duration of their careers. It is a pretty safe bet, actually. This ranking is the perfect example of "Vacuum" rankings. To a lot of owners, Brees and Brady are much more valuable than Stafford. To others, whose teams are rebuilding, Stafford has much more value than older, more proven options.

4. Drew Brees:

Consistent. Productive. MVP-caliber. Super Bowl Winning. VBD producing. 32 years old.

5. Tom Brady:

Consistent. Productive. MVP. Multiple Super Bowl rings. VBD producing. 34 years old.

6. Michael Vick:

The injury concerns have not been quite as bad, but that has hurt his fantasy production. He is not getting the red zone carries he once was, and has yet to run one in. While that running TDs will come - how many? LeSean McCoy is starting to cut into Vick's value, the way Vick did to so many RBs. And after Vick's play suffered due to injury last season, Philly can't be happier about that.

Tier 3.

7. Ben Roethlisberger:

While his numbers have been up, a lot, and while he has an elite target in Wallace, I can't help but think the Steelers are going to fix the run game and rely on it, along with it's defense (which also needs fixing). Ben finds himself here because his ceiling is not as high as those above him, but his age keeps him in the conversation.

8. Philip Rivers:

This season is in direct contrast with last: the running game is carrying it's weight, and Rivers has been a bit of a hindrance to the team. He is not playing well and has been throwing more INTs than TDs. But yesterday showed what he can do for his fantasy owners, when his teams needs to score in a hurry. His value is somewhere in-between what he has shown this year and last. Like Ben, his age keeps him here, while his current production suggests he could be lower.

9. Tony Romo:

His 36 TD season seems like a long time ago. Romo has the ability to produce points and the weapons around him to get it done. His offensive line has been a big issue and will need to be fixed before Romo threatens to lead the league in TD passes again. Along with his line, I don't think Jason Garrett is helping Romo owners much either. The offense routinely moves the ball down the field without getting into the end zone. The offense is not balanced and seems far too sporadic for my tastes. Along with this, they have not been attacking down the field. Still, I think Romo has a few 30 TD seasons left, if the offensive line and Jason Garrett will allow it.

Tier 4:

10. Matt Ryan:

To think this guy was being drafted as a top 5 dynasty QB at one point. He is not the player his rookie campaign suggested he would be. But, he should be above baseline, if only barely, for 10 years. While that might not win leagues, it does provide value and consistency. There is potential for Ryan to improve and you have to love what Julio Jones offers as a weapon.

11. Josh Freeman:

See Matt Ryan. Replace "rookie campaign" with "sophomore campaign" and remove Julio and Roddy White from the equation. 2010 was a perfect storm for Freeman and his owners and I don't know how often I see that happening in the future. But he is a starting QB who has shown promise and is only 23 years old. The team has room for improvement around Freeman as well - better weapons will go a long way.

12: Sam Bradford:

There is a theme for this tier: Young players that have shown promise but are currently struggling. Many - like they did with Ryan, Freeman, and Flacco - anointed Bradford prematurely. He is talented and I expect him to have a solid career.

Tier 5:

13. Tim Tebow:

When Tebow has been on the field, he is the highest scoring QB in those games. He just looks awful. I want him to do well, am very aware of his potential, but he isn't cutting it as an NFL QB. His mechanics seem impossible to correct and he is damningly inaccurate. If I thought there was a 50% for Tebow to pan out, I would rank him near Romo and Big Ben. I put those odds around 20%, so here he is.

14. Eli Manning:

I feel like I am disrespecting him, by putting him here. I think those ranked ahead of him are likely to amount to a QB of his caliber, if they are lucky. Manning doesn't get the respect that he deserves and has consistently produced VBD. That said, those ahead of him offer more potential. After the top 6-7, potential is what you look for at the QB position, as very few offer meaningful VBD - there is little separation.

15. Andy Dalton:

2nd round QBs don't pan out and Dalton was a game manager at TCU...or so I thought. Dalton has looked good, the Bengals are winning, he has a great target in Green, but I feel like I have seen this before. If Dalton was a first round draft pick from a big school, people would be ranking him as they did Ryan and Bradford during their rookie seasons - he is winning and performing as they did. Dalton, for whatever reason, seems to offer a lower ceiling and I can't put my finger on why. He is a guy I will need to watch more of to get a feel on. Because I don't think many dynasty owners do have a feel on him, he is the kind of guy that doing your homework on could payoff majorly. He can be had cheaper than guys like Ryan, Flacco and Bradford could when they were doing what Dalton is.

WR - 10/26/2011

Tier 1

1. Calvin Johnson:

I won't waste your time. He is the safest investment in fantasy football and the most uniquely talented.

Tier 2

2.Mike Wallace:

He is a shining example of what speed can do in the NFL. He is quickly evolving into a complete wide receiver and his receptions are increasing, while he continues to hit homeruns.

3. Dez Bryant:

Bryant is one of the most talented WRs in the NFL, and one of the youngest WR1s. He is aggressive in running his routes, fighting for the ball in the air, and especially with the ball in his hands. It is easy to project big things out of Bryant, who has the tools to reach the first tier. His age greatly helps to offset injury and personal concerns. There is room for error, in other words.

4. Hakeem Nicks:

I rank Nicks here because his combination of youth, production, situation and talent suggests that I do so. I will say that I have concerns. The Giants, with Eli, produce numbers for whomever lines up as the #1 target (Plax, Smith, Manningham, Cruz...). I can see a number of wide receivers matching Nicks' numbers, given his situation. That said, what reason is there to think Nicks won't be the number 1 in NYG for some time? Ranking Nicks is much like ranking Reggie Wayne in the past - both would be great players outside of their situations, but would potentially lose value.

Tier 3

5. Larry Fitzgerald:

Like Adrian Peterson, Larry is potentially the most talented player at his position, stuck in a bad situation, losing ground to younger options with more time to amass VBD. I don't want to pretend that 28 is old for a WR with Larry's skill set - it's not. But, there are younger options currently matching Larry's production, who are projected to have 3-5 years to of extra value. Because Larry is 28, and has 2 years on Welker, he is in his own tier. This ranking is based off of my assumption that the Cardinals fix their QB situation by the start of the 2013 season, giving Larry a couple seasons of top 3 VBD.

Tier 4

6. Wes Welker:

I want to preface this statement by saying that I don't know if I have the balls to apply this ranking to my leagues. While I stand by the ranking, and acknowledge that if Welker can continue this for 3-4 years, he will be worth it, there is a lot of risk involved. One 3-4 week injury is damaging, as this ranking relies on a very high VBD, per game. But:

Wes Welker will help you more, if not much more, than any WR over the next 3 years. The VBD he is currently producing, would take twice as long for even low level WR1s. Meaning, Welker will do in 3, what it takes even good WRs to do in 6+.

7. A.J. Green:

10 years is a lot of time to score points. If you believe Green is going to be a top 5-10 WR in this league, you should value him here, as he is then very likely to score enough VBD to warrant this ranking. There is room for error, and time for the Bengals to figure things out. It doesn't hurt that Green is currently producing VORP, while offering massive potential in the future. Note that I have removed "bust" from the list of concerns. If you are not sold, his ranking would be much lower.

8. Julio Jones:

See A.J. Green.

Tier 5

9. Greg Jennings:

His age and current production make this a pretty easy ranking. He is producing as a solid WR1, is younger than the likes of Andre/Roddy, and older than Green and Jones. He is removing concerns with consistency, as Green Bay is passing enough to keep everybody fed. My biggest concern with Jennings, is the potential that the Packers find a reason to lean on the run more. I worry about where the targets will go, when there aren't as many to go around.

10. Andre Johnson:

Much like Welker, Andre is projected to score enough VBD during the next 3-4 years to match a 6-7 year run by those ranked just behind him. One of the most talented players at the position, who simply doesn't have the time left to hold his former tier 1 placement. I don't think he will score quite as much as Welker and I worry about him continually missing games here and there. I think the two justify the tier difference between the two 30 year olds.

11: Dwayne Bowe:

He is proving that last year was not a fluke and is putting up WR1 numbers in a horrible situation. I do think there is concern that, like Roddy last year, Bowe is benefiting the lack of quality targets in the KC offense. There is potential for KC to find pieces to take targets from Bowe, without finding a QB, like Brees and Rodgers, who can keep multiple options fed. Roddy White is a clear example of this happening.

12. Miles Austin:

I believe Austin to be one of the most talented WRs in the NFL. His combination of size, strength, and speed is very underrated. While starting, healthy, and playing with a healthy Romo, Ausitn has been the most productive WR over that span. The concern is that there hasn't been a healthy Dez Bryant for much of that. The Cowboys are starting to use Bryant as the #1 WR and that is, and could continue to, cut into Austin's production. Austin will no doubt lose red zone targets, as Bryant is one of the best in the league and more equipped to convert than Austin is. There is reason to think there could be enough targets to go around in the offense to keep both Austin and Bryant fed. But there is concern that Dez will be fed first.

13. Roddy White:

This is almost unthinkable, considering where White would have been ranked a year ago. I think we can determine, that while Roddy is one of the most talented WRs in the league, his monster season was due in large part to the number of targets he received. He is currently struggling to produce WR1 points on a weekly basis. That is not a good sign for a 29 year old WR. His margin for error is very small and his owners can't hope to keep even this value, should Roddy not rebound very strong in 2012.

14. Vincent Jackson:

The Chargers are relying more on the run, and it has destroyed the visions that many had of Rivers throwing the ball 30+ times a game, many to the talented Vincent Jackson. Gates is back and he has traditionally eaten in to Jackson's touches. Jackson has relied on the homerun ball to keep pace with the rest of WR1s and it isn't happening often enough. I don't think Jackson has the footwork to dominate the way the rest of his abilities suggest he should. He is not quick/fast enough in tight spaces to be a threat for the PPR points title.

Tier 6

15. Stevie Johnson:

I believe in Stevie's talent and his ability to continue producing. At 25 years old, it is easy to rank Stevie here, as he has plenty of time to amass VBD points and provide VORP. There is concern surrounding the amount Stevie benefits from his situation (system, #1 on his team), but there is room for error with 25 year old WRs.

RB - 10/24

Tier 1

1. LeSean McCoy:

He is an elite talent, on his way to his 2nd top 5 finish, and he is 23 years old. That combination of youth, production, talent, and track record set McCoy at the top of the rankings and on a tier of his own. Top 5 RB seasons are the best indicator of fantasy success – McCoy projects an additional season, if not more, than the other backs in the top 5.

Tier 2

2. Arian Foster:

Foster currently offers the most potential for points on a per game basis. He is a threat on all 3 downs, at the goal line, and out of the backfield. I believe his talent transfers to any system, while he no doubt benefits from his current situation.

3. Darren McFadden:

If not for Adrian Peterson, I would feel comfortable calling McFadden the most talented RB in the NFL. Very few NFL teams rely on one player, outside of the QB position, as much as the Raiders do McFadden. The offense has been altered to fit his talents, and the Raiders will continue to build around him. Injury concerns keep McFadden out of the first tier, where 24 year olds as talented as McFadden usually belong.

4. Ray Rice:

He offers a sense of consistency that even some ahead of him do not. His balance, vision and lower-body strength make me feel comfortable projecting 3-4 more seasons of success. His reception totals, as an elite receiving threat, should keep him in tier 2, even if those around him offer more big play ability on the ground.

Tier 3

5. Adrian Peterson:

The most talented RB in the NFL and the only threat his team has to move the football. He is the definition of a workhorse RB, much in the mold of past greats. He is consistent, productive, and has long been the biggest asset in fantasy football. However, those days have come and gone, much like his early 20s. He simply can’t offer the value over replacement in 2-3 years that others, like McCoy, can in 3-5.

6. Matt Forte:

It is funny how much more talented a player can look when they have room to operate. He is one of the best and most important offensive players in the NFL. He looks great, which is important for a guy that seemed to lack elite burst. He is well rounded and offers a unique skill set, making him a workhorse back, that is also the biggest receiving threat on his team.

7. Ryan Matthews:

I am not sold yet, at least when it comes to Matthews’ talent being that of a top 10 RB. That said, the starting RB spot in San Diego is a golden opportunity. Matthews is well rounded, has burst, and shows patience and vision. There are enough points to go around in the Charger backfield to prevent Tolbert from threatening Matthews’ value. Situation and youth go a long way, as Ryan’s ranking shows.

8. Chris Johnson:

Like most, I expect Johnson to bounce back. That might require personnel changes by the Titans and perhaps a year’s wait. At 26 years old, the value that Johnson surrenders over that period is big, and places him at the end of tier 3. Odd for a player who ran for 2,000 yards, just two years ago.

9. Maurice Jones-Drew:

There are so many great things to say about MJD as a player. The consistency he has displayed in such a horrible situation is really impressive. MJD, like Peterson, reminds me former greats. He takes contact and finishes runs as well as anyone. Much like Rice, I feel comfortable holding onto MJD, as his vision, balance, instincts, and lower-body strength should keep him relevant towards the end of his prime.

Tier 4

10. Beanie Wells:

Wells is a talented brute who is built to look the part. He is big, strong, fast, and runs mean. At 23 years old, Wells offers potential that many ranked in this range can’t. That said, his injury history raises major red flags. Wells is a very big boom or bust fantasy asset – the biggest to this point.

11. Ahmad Bradshaw:

Bradshaw is an underrated talent who plays with heart. He is dangerous all over the field and displays soft hands. The Giants running game is underrated and the starting role would be much more valuable should Jacobs move on. Bradshaw has injury concerns, which is odd for a guy who doesn’t miss time due to injury. His leg structure is reason for concern, but I won’t go overboard until it actually starts to hinder Ahmad on game day.

12. Rashard Mendenhall:

Mendenhall was thought to be in a great position, until his offensive line stopped creating holes. You have to assume an organization like the Steelers will fix this problem relatively quickly. There is risk, however, that the Steelers find a talented back mate for Mendenhall, as even Isaac Redman was able to match or best Rashard, per carry. The fact that Mendenhall is not used as a weapon out of the backfield is a major concern. There are also very real questions about Mendenhall’s overall talent level. Still, at just 24 years old, Mendenhall ‘s track record suggests he should have good value down the road.

13. Jamaal Charles:

Charles was one of the most talented players at his position before the injury. One missed year is significant, even at 24 years old, for the RB position. That year allows less talented and less productive players to provide value, while Charles is on the shelf. Charles’ production will need to make up for that over the span of his career, to justify this ranking. There is significant risk and lost value when investing in Charles. But there is potential for great reward, should Jamaal be able to reach 100% for even 2 seasons.

14. Jonathan Stewart:

Stewart is a very talented player who finds himself this far down the rankings due to situation and injury concern. Stewart owners have surrendered a lot of value waiting for Stewart to get a lead role. The bad news is that value will continue to be lost, until or unless Stewart becomes a lead RB for the Panthers. Cam Newton is a major concern for Stewart as well. The ability to play 11 on 11 at the goal line is a luxury that the young, LB-sized QB offers. Panther RB goal line opportunities will be cut in half, at least.

15. Mark Ingram:

Ingram has been a disappointment. He was not handed a lead role and has been used as a specialist, as opposed to an every down back. The Saints have no reason to change this, from a football perspective. Ingram owners might find themselves in the boat that Stewart owners have inhabited for years: waiting… Ingram’s talent figured to translate to the NFL with little risk or delay. That also, has not been the case. Ingram is a strong, balanced, quick runner who should find his way in the NFL. However, there are question marks. How long will his owners have to wait, and will he be worth it? Both are valid, real questions.

TE - 10/17

1. Jimmy Graham

2. Jason Witten

3. Jermichael Finley

4. Aaron Hernandez

5. Rob Gronkowski

6. Vernon Davis

7. Dustin Keller

8. Owen Daniels

9. Greg Olsen

10. Antonio Gates

11. Lance Kendricks

12. Jermaine Gresham

13. Fred Davis

14. Dallas Clark

15. Ed Dickson

 
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I wouldn't trade Peyton for Eli, Fitz, Flacco even in the league where my only healthy starting QB is Tarvaris Jackson.

If you're going to favor 2011 domination by putting Welker at #8, Smith might deserve a spot at the end.

Bump Finley.

 
I wouldn't trade Peyton for Eli, Fitz, Flacco even in the league where my only healthy starting QB is Tarvaris Jackson.If you're going to favor 2011 domination by putting Welker at #8, Smith might deserve a spot at the end.Bump Finley.
:goodposting: How is the league leader in receiving yards (#89 Steve Smith) not on the list? :unsure:
 
I wouldn't trade Peyton for Eli, Fitz, Flacco even in the league where my only healthy starting QB is Tarvaris Jackson.If you're going to favor 2011 domination by putting Welker at #8, Smith might deserve a spot at the end.Bump Finley.
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum. I am high on Smith, in general. I could consider putting him at 15, but in the end, I would still take Maclin first in a startup. There are simply a lot of good WRs, Smith being one of them. I think Welker is on another level, in terms of PPR value. I think Welker is back to his pre-injury form - which wins leagues. Finley: Not yet, for me, anyways. I am a big Witten guy. He is the most stable fantasy player around and has been going on 5 years now.
 
Love it. Can't wait for this conversation to get rolling. One note before my comments--I HEAVILY value youth and upside. A guy like AJ deserves to be high on most lists like this, but he's not on mine, because I wouldn't want him on my team. Many will disagree, but he's past my target age unless I've got a championship-caliber team right now...and even then, I'd move him to get younger, as long as it wasn't too detrimental.

Some minor changes: I personally have Finley at #1, with Graham at #2. Then Gronk #3, V. Davis #4. I love the balls it takes to put Kendricks and F. Davis in your top 15. Agree on Davis, disagree on Kendricks. He'd be lower for me. I don't find his dropsies so far overly concerning though.

Also, at QB. I've got the same top-4, same order. But then I've got Rivers, Brees ahead of Vick. I think the poor start to this season isn't indicative of River's talent or future. Also ahead of Vick, I've got Ryan. Slightly controversial, at the end of my top-15, for upside alone, I've got Locker at #15 over Eli. Eli is always more solid and dependable than people give him credit for, especially in leagues where INT's are only -1 pt, but I don't want someone that has zero chance of finishing in the top-5, in my top 15. I'm an upside guy. That's also why Fitzpatrick is at the end of my top 15, right before Locker at #14.

Not sure if you left off Peyton on purpose, but I actually DO leave him off purposely, because he's not someone I'd want on my team now, even if he comes back healthy.

WR: I've got Calvin, Nicks, Wallace, Fitz, Austin, AJ, Dez, White, Welker, Jackson, Jones, Jennings, Green, Maclin, Holmes. I still don't love Stevie, although he gets it done. He'll probably move up soon. Blackmon will be in the top-ten the minute he's drafted. Little is just outside this list. I'm ridiculously high on him.

I love that you, like me, don't have Desean in your top-15. To hit-or-miss for me, plus he's injury-prone and limited. One-trick pony. Its a good trick, but Vick's deep ball won't be around forever.

RB: I must be one of the few, but I believe in Ingram.

McCoy

Rice

McFadden

Foster

Peterson

Johnson

Ingram

Forte

MJD

Matthews

Stewart

Wells

Hillis

Best

Mendenhall

Love that you have McCoy at #1, so do I. I knew that you were a big proponent of him though. I think you're missing out on Ingram here, but I can understand the hesitancy. Otherwise, many of our rankings are really close. I would leave off SJax, Gore, and Turner like you have.

I should have formatted this differently, probably, but I'll leave it at this for now.

 
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In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
 
RB: I must be one of the few, but I believe in Ingram.
I liked Ingram well enough coming out of school. It just hasn't translated. I am not writing him off, but I am going to wait and see. I don't know that Thomas or Sproles go anywhere, either. I don't think NO was the situation we thought it would be when Ingram was drafted.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
My biggest concern with Fitzpatrick was the Bills continuing to lose. Because they are winning, I can see the staff staying in place for a couple years; I can see Fitzpatrick playing in this offense which has been exciting and has produced.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
 
RB: I must be one of the few, but I believe in Ingram.
I liked Ingram well enough coming out of school. It just hasn't translated. I am not writing him off, but I am going to wait and see. I don't know that Thomas or Sproles go anywhere, either. I don't think NO was the situation we thought it would be when Ingram was drafted.
I realize Ingram doesn't have the size/speed combo that Stewart does, but Stewart has been in the top-10/15 of many people's dynasty rankings for years. D-Will was, and is, a bigger obstacle than Thomas and Sproles, even if they are effective niche players right now.
 
I wouldn't trade Peyton for Eli, Fitz, Flacco even in the league where my only healthy starting QB is Tarvaris Jackson.If you're going to favor 2011 domination by putting Welker at #8, Smith might deserve a spot at the end.Bump Finley.
:goodposting: How is the league leader in receiving yards (#89 Steve Smith) not on the list? :unsure:
It's a dynasty list.
Everyone realizes this. It is about the consistency of the rankings. Newton is put at #2. That assumes he is going to pass for 4000 maybe 4500 maybe more yards for the next ad infinitum. Then you have to assume Smith will continue to Brandon Lloyd all over the league for the next 2 years, possibly 3 or 4. Two years of 96/2000/8 is worth more than what some of those guys will give you. And different from Lloyd, we know Smith is an elite talent - no one is questioning where he came from.Welker is put at #8. That shows he is valuing current domination a lot.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
My argument is no he can't. His arm's not going to get stronger. The offense is not going to open up more. He is not going to get a better grasp of the offense. He had a great 3 week start to the season that included both KC and NE (very bad pass defenses). But he's still only equal to Eli in that time. I hate that you make me defend Eli, but he's a more talented QB than Fitz in pretty much every area, and if one of those 2 guys is going to put together a top 5 year it is Eli.How did you feel about Cassel last year when Bowe went insane?
 
I wouldn't trade Peyton for Eli, Fitz, Flacco even in the league where my only healthy starting QB is Tarvaris Jackson.If you're going to favor 2011 domination by putting Welker at #8, Smith might deserve a spot at the end.Bump Finley.
:goodposting: How is the league leader in receiving yards (#89 Steve Smith) not on the list? :unsure:
It's a dynasty list.
Everyone realizes this. It is about the consistency of the rankings. Newton is put at #2. That assumes he is going to pass for 4000 maybe 4500 maybe more yards for the next ad infinitum. Then you have to assume Smith will continue to Brandon Lloyd all over the league for the next 2 years, possibly 3 or 4. Two years of 96/2000/8 is worth more than what some of those guys will give you. And different from Lloyd, we know Smith is an elite talent - no one is questioning where he came from.Welker is put at #8. That shows he is valuing current domination a lot.
There is no inconsistency. The list is simply who I would take in a vacuum, in the order I would take them in. I think the gap between Smith's numbers and Welker's numbers will continue to widen this season, in PPR formats. On top of that, Welker is 2 years younger, which does make a huge difference. So, Welker is producing more now, will continue to do so, and should do so for an additional 2 seasons. Surely you can see why one has more value than the other - no?As for Newton, he doesn't need to throw for 4,000-4,500 to be worthy of the #2 ranking. That ranking is because of the potential to add 7 points a game on the ground as the goal line back for his team and his ability to scramble.
 
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There is no inconsistency. The list is simply who I would take in a vacuum, in the order I would take them in. I think the gap between Smith's numbers and Welker's numbers will continue to widen this season, in PPR formats. On top of that, Welker is 2 years younger, which does make a huge difference. So, Welker is producing more now, will continue to do so, and should do so for an additional 2 seasons. Surely you can see why won has more value than the other - no?
No one is arguing Smith over Welker. Arguing if you have Welker high shouldn't you also have Smith high.If Brady was QB1 and Peyton was QB3 in 2011 scoring and you had Brady ranked and Peyton not ranked, I would ask why you didn't have Peyton ranked.
 
His arm's not going to get stronger.
Why does it need to? Its not elite, but he can make all the throws that he's required to.
The offense is not going to open up more.
Why not? Chan Gailey is a very creative offensive guru. To act like what we're seeing now is it, that's crazy. You don't know that.
He is not going to get a better grasp of the offense.
Uhh, why not? How could you possibly know this? He didn't even start last season as the starter in BUF, so he's still learning. It takes years to perfect an offensive system, especially since they're always evolving. His knowledge of the offense will continue to improve. He's a smart guy, also, remember.
He had a great 3 week start to the season that included both KC and NE (very bad pass defenses). But he's still only equal to Eli in that time. I hate that you make me defend Eli, but he's a more talented QB than Fitz in pretty much every area, and if one of those 2 guys is going to put together a top 5 year it is Eli.
This is all well and good, but I'm fairly confident that Eli won't ever have a top-5 year. I think that Fitz has a higher chance at that with Gailey, in that offense. That's all. I wouldn't want either to be more than my backup in a dynasty, but if I had to choose one of them over the next 3 years, I'd take Fitz.
How did you feel about Cassel last year when Bowe went insane?
I thought he was a mediocre talent that had value as long as Weis was in town. Fitz is a better talent, though not elite by any means, who has value as long as Gailey's in town. I still like him more than Eli, who I know is mediocre, but capable of putting up numbers. And not always the good kind.
 
There is no inconsistency. The list is simply who I would take in a vacuum, in the order I would take them in. I think the gap between Smith's numbers and Welker's numbers will continue to widen this season, in PPR formats. On top of that, Welker is 2 years younger, which does make a huge difference. So, Welker is producing more now, will continue to do so, and should do so for an additional 2 seasons. Surely you can see why won has more value than the other - no?
No one is arguing Smith over Welker. Arguing if you have Welker high shouldn't you also have Smith high.If Brady was QB1 and Peyton was QB3 in 2011 scoring and you had Brady ranked and Peyton not ranked, I would ask why you didn't have Peyton ranked.
I don't have Smith ranked as high as Welker because the gap between the two( which I explained) allows for 6-8 younger, talented WRs to fit in-between them.
 
RB: I must be one of the few, but I believe in Ingram.
I liked Ingram well enough coming out of school. It just hasn't translated. I am not writing him off, but I am going to wait and see. I don't know that Thomas or Sproles go anywhere, either. I don't think NO was the situation we thought it would be when Ingram was drafted.
I realize Ingram doesn't have the size/speed combo that Stewart does, but Stewart has been in the top-10/15 of many people's dynasty rankings for years. D-Will was, and is, a bigger obstacle than Thomas and Sproles, even if they are effective niche players right now.
The biggest thing that separates the two, in my opinion, is burst. Stewart has it and Ingram hasn't shown it. I draw a lot of parallels between Knowshon Moreno and Mark Ingram, and maybe I shouldn't. But, along with similar college careers in the SEC, similar size/build/speed/running styles, another thing that they have in common is that they haven't shown burst at an NFL level. Burst is a subjective term that I use, so take it for what it is worth (maybe nothing), but I don't see RBs produce without it. As I said, I am not writing him off after 4 games. I am just lowering my expectations and taking a wait and see approach.
 
His arm's not going to get stronger.
Why does it need to? Its not elite, but he can make all the throws that he's required to.
It doesn't need to, but it would increase his ceiling, which is what we're talking about.
The offense is not going to open up more.
Why not? Chan Gailey is a very creative offensive guru. To act like what we're seeing now is it, that's crazy. You don't know that.
Because it's already pretty well opened up.
This is all well and good, but I'm fairly confident that Eli won't ever have a top-5 year. I think that Fitz has a higher chance at that with Gailey, in that offense. That's all. I wouldn't want either to be more than my backup in a dynasty, but if I had to choose one of them over the next 3 years, I'd take Fitz.
I think that's pretty telling. If he's my backup I would trade him for Tebow or Locker (or Bradford who also isn't listed) and pick up Hasselbeck or Campbell for a ham sandwich to be a short term backup.
 
1pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15QB1. Aaron Rodgers2. Cam Newton3. Matthew Stafford4. Tom Brady5. Michael Vick6. Drew Brees7. Philip Rivers8. Tony Romo9. Matt Ryan10. Josh Freeman11. Ben Roethlisberger12. Ryan Fitzpatrick13. Matt Schaub14. Joe Flacco15. Eli ManningRB1. LeSean McCoy2. Arian Foster3. Darren McFadden4. Ray Rice5. Adrian Peterson6. Chris Johnson7. Matt Forte8. Ryan Matthews9. Maurice Jones-Drew10. Jahvid Best11. Peyton Hillis12. Ahmad Bradshaw13. Rashard Mendenhall14. Beanie Wells15. Jonathan StewartWR1. Calvin Johnson2. Larry Fitzgerlad3. Mike Wallace4. Dez Bryant5. Hakeem Nicks6. Andre Johnson7. Miles Austin8. Wes Welker9. Roddy White10. Greg Jennings11. Vincent Jackson12. A.J. Green13. Julio Jones14. Stevie Johnson15. Jeremy MaclinTE1. Jimmy Graham2. Jason Witten3. Jermichael Finley4. Aaron Hernandez5. Rob Gronkowski6. Vernon Davis7. Dustin Keller8. Owen Daniels9. Greg Olsen10. Antonio Gates11. Lance Kendricks12. Jermaine Gresham13. Fred Davis14. Dallas Clark15. Ed Dickson
Definately thinking for yourself here and I love it. I'm gonna be updating mine after week 6...still need a few more weeks to be sure on what im seeing , but i definately appreciate the work and like you going out on a limb. Disagreed with McCoy at 1 at first look, but thinking about it a bit more... I really can't argue against it. I still like Andre in the top 3 because him Fitz and Calvin are still the only elite of elite talents, Starting to look a little bit like how people reacted to FItz last year
 
1pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15
Good work with this.How far has Mendenhall fallen in your rankings since the beginning of the season? Since last week?
Thanks. I have never been a big fan, especially in PPR leagues. I think he is situation over substance. But this season has shown just how far he can fall when the situation changes (O-line). I had him around Forte/Hillis at the beginning of the season. He is a solid tier below them now.
 
Newton #2 overall. How 4 games can change everything, Stafford #3.
Most QBs simply can't offer the VORP that RBs and WRs can. Newton is an expectation, even more so than Rodgers, if he reaches his potential. 7 points a game (which is where I think he will be) on the ground is huge. It makes poor outings solid and good outings great. As for Stafford, I am surprised by that too. Before I sat down to do this I wasn't expecting that. But who do you take over him in a vacuum? He is 23 years old and is throwing to one of the most physically gifted athletes (forget football players, let alone WRs) in the world who happens to be 25 years old himself. I try not to overreact to a handful of games. That said, when you see the talent and have the gut feeling, I think you have to act (in this case rank) accordingly.
 
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My personal changes...

1pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15

QB

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Cam Newton - #7

3. Matthew Stafford

4. Tom Brady

5. Michael Vick

6. Drew Brees

7. Philip Rivers

8. Tony Romo - #12

9. Matt Ryan

10. Josh Freeman + #8

11. Ben Roethlisberger

12. Sam Bradford

13. Ryan Fitzpatrick

14. Matt Schaub

15. Joe Flacco

1. LeSean McCoy

2. Arian Foster

3. Darren McFadden

4. Ray Rice

5. Adrian Peterson

6. Chris Johnson

7. Matt Forte

8. Ryan Matthews

9. Maurice Jones-Drew - #14

10. Jahvid Best

11. Peyton Hillis

12. Ahmad Bradshaw

13. Rashard Mendenhall

14. Beanie Wells

15. Jonathan Stewart + #11

WR

1. Calvin Johnson

2. Larry Fitzgerald

3. Mike Wallace

4. Dez Bryant

5. Hakeem Nicks

6. Andre Johnson

7. Miles Austin

8. Wes Welker + #7

9. Roddy White

10. Greg Jennings

11. Vincent Jackson

12. A.J. Green

13. Julio Jones

14. Stevie Johnson

15. Jeremy Maclin

TE

1. Jimmy Graham

2. Jason Witten

3. Jermichael Finley + #1

4. Aaron Hernandez

5. Rob Gronkowski

6. Vernon Davis

7. Dustin Keller

8. Owen Daniels

9. Greg Olsen

10. Antonio Gates

11. Lance Kendricks

12. Jermaine Gresham

13. Fred Davis

14. Dallas Clark

15. Ed Dickson
 
I love Newton, but he and Stafford should not be that high.
I guess the good thing is that we'll see. I was blasted for ranking McCoy in the top 3 (RBs) before the seasons started too.
I think Stafford and Newton deserve to be in the same tier as Brady and Brees. I think many Rivers and Romo owners would strongly consider a straight up trade for Stafford or Newton. I think most Stafford or Newton owners would be "hell no" at this point. That indicates not only should they be ranked ahead of them but they should also be in a higher tier. I think it's rather difficult to put Stafford, Newton, Brady, and Brees in order. Brady and Brees are still young enough that they probably have 3 or 4 years left as top 7 fantasy QBs. Stafford and Newton, however, have a chance to be top 7 QBs for the next 10 plus years but they could also be on a hot streak and end up with the Big Bens and Matt Schaubs of the world. I think many owners would be hesitant to trade Brady or Brees for Stafford or Newton and vice versa.Vick's playing style leads to him being injury prone so I'd put him in the next tier down. I think some owners would likely rank him along side Brady and Brees though. I'm not sold on Stafford actually being injury prone.
 
Thinking about it a bit more, I currently have Matt Ryan as my backup in my dynasty league with Newton as my starter. Until I see a full season of work from Newton, I'm hesitant to trade Ryan and go "all-in" with Newton. I wouldn't have these reservations with Brady or Brees so I guess my rankings would be

Tier 1

1. Aaron Rodgers



Tier 2

2. Tom Brady

3. Drew Brees

4. Matt Stafford

5. Cam Newton

Tier 3

6. Philip Rivers

7. Michael Vick

Tier 3.5

8. Matt Ryan

9. Tony Romo

Tier 4

10. Sam Bradford

11. Josh Freeman

12. Peyton Manning

13. Matt Schaub

 
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Where do you put Andrew Luck in this category...and Trent Richardson for that matter.

I'm in trade discussions w/ crappy 0-5 owner who has 2 likely top 1st round picks.

Would you trade FORTE for those or one of those picks?

Apparently LUCK is going to be the best player ever. I don't know if that's true or not but if he is you have to trade for the opportunity now right?

 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
Ther is so much wrongness in this post. You know Eli is a SB winning QB? You realize Fitzpatrick is a journeymen qb whos had couple nice games? Buffalo has a great offense????? my lord....fitz is the same talent level as eli??.....your entire post is just so wrong.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
Ther is so much wrongness in this post. You know Eli is a SB winning QB? You realize Fitzpatrick is a journeymen qb whos had couple nice games? Buffalo has a great offense????? my lord....fitz is the same talent level as eli??.....your entire post is just so wrong.
Yes, Eli won a SB...all by himself...he's been such a stellar QB throughout his career...Get a hold of yourself. Eli is average, and has been in an excellent situation for years. Fitzpatrick is also average. The difference is that I have a lot of faith in Chan Gailey's offense, and his innovative mind. I also happen to like Fitz more, and don't think that his "limited" arm makes him less talented than Eli. He can make all the throws required of him in that offense, and I've been consistently more impressed with his work, since he "broke out" last year, than Eli's. Its a personal preference thing, and my opinion. So let's not pretend like Eli Manning is some great QB who put his team on his shoulders and won a SB. He was an excellent prospect who has consistently underachieved, as a passer.
 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
Ther is so much wrongness in this post. You know Eli is a SB winning QB? You realize Fitzpatrick is a journeymen qb whos had couple nice games? Buffalo has a great offense????? my lord....fitz is the same talent level as eli??.....your entire post is just so wrong.
Yes, Eli won a SB...all by himself...he's been such a stellar QB throughout his career...Get a hold of yourself. Eli is average, and has been in an excellent situation for years. Fitzpatrick is also average. The difference is that I have a lot of faith in Chan Gailey's offense, and his innovative mind. I also happen to like Fitz more, and don't think that his "limited" arm makes him less talented than Eli. He can make all the throws required of him in that offense, and I've been consistently more impressed with his work, since he "broke out" last year, than Eli's. Its a personal preference thing, and my opinion. So let's not pretend like Eli Manning is some great QB who put his team on his shoulders and won a SB. He was an excellent prospect who has consistently underachieved, as a passer.
No one's pretending Eli is some great passer, but he's light years away from whatever Fitzpatrick is....
 
1pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15QB1. Aaron Rodgers2. Cam Newton3. Matthew Stafford4. Tom Brady5. Michael Vick6. Drew Brees7. Philip Rivers8. Tony Romo9. Matt Ryan10. Josh Freeman11. Ben Roethlisberger12. Sam Bradford13. Ryan Fitzpatrick14. Matt Schaub15. Joe Flacco1. LeSean McCoy2. Arian Foster3. Darren McFadden4. Ray Rice5. Adrian Peterson6. Chris Johnson7. Matt Forte8. Ryan Matthews9. Maurice Jones-Drew10. Jahvid Best11. Peyton Hillis12. Ahmad Bradshaw13. Rashard Mendenhall14. Beanie Wells15. Jonathan StewartWR1. Calvin Johnson2. Larry Fitzgerlad3. Mike Wallace4. Dez Bryant5. Hakeem Nicks6. Andre Johnson7. Miles Austin8. Wes Welker9. Roddy White10. Greg Jennings11. Vincent Jackson12. A.J. Green13. Julio Jones14. Stevie Johnson15. Jeremy MaclinTE1. Jimmy Graham2. Jason Witten3. Jermichael Finley4. Aaron Hernandez5. Rob Gronkowski6. Vernon Davis7. Dustin Keller8. Owen Daniels9. Greg Olsen10. Antonio Gates11. Lance Kendricks12. Jermaine Gresham13. Fred Davis14. Dallas Clark15. Ed Dickson
These look like redraft rankings, not dynasty. Dallas Clark 14 and Graham #1? Huh? THanks for the effort but i probably could have extracted this from yahoo to an excel sheet by sorting 2011 total fantasy points by position.
 
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TEN WR Kenny Britt (IR) was released in a first year keeper league I'm in. Where do you think his ranking should be for next year?

 
In situations I would consider taking Peytong over the mentioned - definitely not Fitz, however. But not in a vacuum.
I really don't get the Fitzpatrick love. He's a worse version of Eli. How's Matt Cassel's value doing?
For me, its because I think we've seen Eli's ceiling come and go. Even if he performs up to expectations, I don't think he's beating them. Fitz is still growing under Gailey.
What makes you think Fitzpatrick will be able to be any better than what he is now? It's not like he was this specimen just waiting to develop. He is a journeyman QB who was in the right place at the right time. After he got the job in 2010 he started hot too but leveled off and turned in some stinkers. I'd love for Buffalo to win the division too, but he is what he is despite the silver spoon Rocky story. His upside is a little better than Cassel but it's not as high as Eli. Very little difference between Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck IMO even when you weigh all the dynasty aspects. Fitzpatrick's Jake Locker just isn't on the team yet.
Fitzpatrick's production is already where Eli's is. I don't think there's enough of a difference in talent to justify writing Fitz off in favor of Eli. Eli is what he is. Fitz could still improve past where he already is, in a great offense.
Ther is so much wrongness in this post. You know Eli is a SB winning QB? You realize Fitzpatrick is a journeymen qb whos had couple nice games? Buffalo has a great offense????? my lord....fitz is the same talent level as eli??.....your entire post is just so wrong.
Yes, Eli won a SB...all by himself...he's been such a stellar QB throughout his career...Get a hold of yourself. Eli is average, and has been in an excellent situation for years. Fitzpatrick is also average. The difference is that I have a lot of faith in Chan Gailey's offense, and his innovative mind. I also happen to like Fitz more, and don't think that his "limited" arm makes him less talented than Eli. He can make all the throws required of him in that offense, and I've been consistently more impressed with his work, since he "broke out" last year, than Eli's. Its a personal preference thing, and my opinion. So let's not pretend like Eli Manning is some great QB who put his team on his shoulders and won a SB. He was an excellent prospect who has consistently underachieved, as a passer.
No one's pretending Eli is some great passer, but he's light years away from whatever Fitzpatrick is....
You happen to catch the Giants/Bills game?
 
1pt PPR Dynasty Rankings - Top 15QB1. Aaron Rodgers2. Cam Newton3. Matthew Stafford4. Tom Brady5. Michael Vick6. Drew Brees7. Philip Rivers8. Tony Romo9. Matt Ryan10. Josh Freeman11. Ben Roethlisberger12. Sam Bradford13. Ryan Fitzpatrick14. Matt Schaub15. Joe Flacco1. LeSean McCoy2. Arian Foster3. Darren McFadden4. Ray Rice5. Adrian Peterson6. Chris Johnson7. Matt Forte8. Ryan Matthews9. Maurice Jones-Drew10. Jahvid Best11. Peyton Hillis12. Ahmad Bradshaw13. Rashard Mendenhall14. Beanie Wells15. Jonathan StewartWR1. Calvin Johnson2. Larry Fitzgerlad3. Mike Wallace4. Dez Bryant5. Hakeem Nicks6. Andre Johnson7. Miles Austin8. Wes Welker9. Roddy White10. Greg Jennings11. Vincent Jackson12. A.J. Green13. Julio Jones14. Stevie Johnson15. Jeremy MaclinTE1. Jimmy Graham2. Jason Witten3. Jermichael Finley4. Aaron Hernandez5. Rob Gronkowski6. Vernon Davis7. Dustin Keller8. Owen Daniels9. Greg Olsen10. Antonio Gates11. Lance Kendricks12. Jermaine Gresham13. Fred Davis14. Dallas Clark15. Ed Dickson
These look like redraft rankings, not dynasty. Dallas Clark 14 and Graham #1? Huh? THanks for the effort but i probably could have extracted this from yahoo to an excel sheet by sorting 2011 total fantasy points by position.
Wait. You mean the guys that I rank highly are currently performing at an elite pace? Strange. This is very clearly a dynasty list. Fred Jackson, Steve Smith, Matt Hasselback, Frank Gore, and plenty others would be on that Yahoo sorted list. Graham is young and currently performing at an elite level. I see nothing that suggests that will change. Please help me understand. Dallas Clark is old and, as he has shown us, his value depends greatly on Peytong Manning. Manning has health concerns and is old himself. Even the #14 rankings depends on at least one full season of top 4 production.
 
TEN WR Kenny Britt (IR) was released in a first year keeper league I'm in. Where do you think his ranking should be for next year?
I am a big believer in Britt's talent. I think he is at least as talented as Hakeem Nicks. That said, I think he is an idiot, and I don't think that changes anytime soon. The mistakes he continually makes are cause for concern. The people he surrounds himself with - even if we assume he is not in the same boat - will keep getting him in trouble.Based on talent alone - even with the injury concern - I would put him on my top 15 list. With the charector concerns on top of that, I have him just outside. For reference, if I was rebuilding and didn't need WR2 production this year, I would strongly consider moving guys like Maclin, DeSean, or Steavie for him.
 
These look like redraft rankings, not dynasty. Dallas Clark 14 and Graham #1? Huh? THanks for the effort but i probably could have extracted this from yahoo to an excel sheet by sorting 2011 total fantasy points by position.
So the younger, higher point producing guy is #1 and the older, lesser producing guy is #14 and you don't like that?
 
Jamaal Charles gets no love huh
Admittedly, I haven't done my homework on his injury yet. But no, in a start up draft, today, I would not take him in the top *12-13 right now. I am a big believer in **VORP in dynasty formats. The RB position relies so much on current, short term production. Missing a full season, and coming back at 85%, on a poor team, for another really puts you at a disadvantage - more so than any other position. *I am going to have to strongly reconsider my ranking of Hillis now. If I am rebuilding, I am taking Charles. If Hillis' YPC stays this low, I might have to say I would do so in a vacuum too. **In a startup, if you take Charles as your RB1 or RB2, you are putting your team at a big advantage for this season. The hit is much less for other positions, due to supply and demand.
 
Where do you put Andrew Luck in this category...and Trent Richardson for that matter.I'm in trade discussions w/ crappy 0-5 owner who has 2 likely top 1st round picks. Would you trade FORTE for those or one of those picks?Apparently LUCK is going to be the best player ever. I don't know if that's true or not but if he is you have to trade for the opportunity now right?
It would take more than the 1.01 to get Forte from me, in any format. I would hold Forte, ride him into the playoffs, and see what offers I could get in the off season. Two top 3 picks would be hard to turn down, especially if guys like Jeffrey, Blackmon, and Richardson land in good spots. It is really hard for me to rank Richardson and Luck without seeing where they land, and, at least for Trent, where the NFL ranks him. For reference, I am not comfortable ranking Luck over Rivers, and it would take a lot more than Rivers to equal Forte's value. Forte is an interesting player to rank. He looks really good right now. I think people were too quick to anoint him and too slow to forgive him. I don't know how much more valuable Adrian Peterson is than Matt Forte in PPR formats, but it isn't much.
 
TE1. Jimmy Graham2. Jason Witten3. Jermichael Finley4. Aaron Hernandez5. Rob Gronkowski6. Vernon Davis7. Dustin Keller8. Owen Daniels9. Greg Olsen10. Antonio Gates11. Lance Kendricks12. Jermaine Gresham13. Fred Davis14. Dallas Clark15. Ed Dickson
No Brandon Pettigrew in the top 15? What is your reasoning on that one? In a ppr he is currently the #6 TE in avg PPG. He is paired up with a 23 year old young stud QB, with an elite WR on his team to draw coverage away from him. I can't really see him below about #9-10, and I would personally place him 7th.
 
TE1. Jimmy Graham2. Jason Witten3. Jermichael Finley4. Aaron Hernandez5. Rob Gronkowski6. Vernon Davis7. Dustin Keller8. Owen Daniels9. Greg Olsen10. Antonio Gates11. Lance Kendricks12. Jermaine Gresham13. Fred Davis14. Dallas Clark15. Ed Dickson
No Brandon Pettigrew in the top 15? What is your reasoning on that one? In a ppr he is currently the #6 TE in avg PPG. He is paired up with a 23 year old young stud QB, with an elite WR on his team to draw coverage away from him. I can't really see him below about #9-10, and I would personally place him 7th.
Good catch. This is simply an oversight. He is no doubt top 10 and will be in my next update.
 
I'm curious of people's opinion of Forte in PPR Dynasty? Is he more valuable than mcfadden and matthews (both injury prone). Or CJ (bad year)? Where do people think he is?

 
A few quibbles:

On QBs: Do you really rank Brees so low? Frankly, that is crazy talk. He has routinely been the top QB or at least top 3, and I see no reason to think that will change any time soon. Hard to see ranking him outside of the top 3. And Tebow at 12? I have Tebow. I am hopeful for Tebow. He IS a running QB and in most scoring formats that is a huge advantage. But to be a long term dynasty star he needs to secure a starting position long term. He will need to become a better passer to do that--which could happen, but is hardly certain. And he, Cam, and Vick are all higher injury risks because of how they play--you need to factor that in even more heavily in dynasty.

On WRs: Brandon Marshall has not scored as much since going to Miami, but in PPR, he is still a top 15 WR. He is still catching 90+ balls a season and that is worth a lot of points in PPR. I don't see that changing. And if Miami ever gets a good QB and good offensive system, his numbers could return to top 10.

TEs: Do you really see all of those guys above Gates out performing him over the next two or three years? Yes, he is dealing with foot issues, but I still find it hard to believe over half of the guys you rank above him will outperform him over the next three years. In his first game back from this injury he scored a TD.

 

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