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So I'm sure you VJax owners are pretty upset with his poor production after that explosion in week 2. I know he was on Revis Island and Champ Bailey Island before that, but look at how much better Marshall was against the two, with a considerably worse QB situation..do we still consider Vjax a WR1 or has he dropped down into a mid WR2 level?

 
WR2/3 until he's fully recovered from the hammy issues. Hopefully he will get healthy and SD will get things straightened out on the offensive side of the ball.

 
I think he was healthy this past week and just ran into Revis. I expect a bounceback game this week, but unfortunately, I think WR2 is where he is at this point.

 
Im looking to trade him before it becomes clear he's not going to be a top ten WR as certainly as it was often being claimed before the season started. I still think he will have a great year but these past few games have shown he's not quire as dependable this year as he was 2 years ago. And much like what happened with Greg Jennings a few years ago in GB, this could just be one of those down years for him. Not sure if he will come around like Jennings has though in the upcoming years.

 
He should keep getting healthier and he wont be facing such good corners every week. For me, the biggest concern with him is what ever Phillip Rivers mystery problem is...if Rivers gets back on track so will VJax. Otherwise hes going to remain a high upside inconsistent option.

 
Heck, I just traded S Jax for him thinking good times are a coming. I guess you guys feel how I've felt about Roddy before I traded him this week.

 
If he has a big game this week, I'm going to look to trade him ASAP. Even if he blows up for another 40 point game, I need a little more consistency out of my top WR...and I'll look to trade for someone who can provide that.

 
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Traded him for a 2012 1st, Titus Young & Jerrel Jernigan.
WOW
If that ends up being a top 3 2012 I dont blame you. He is one of the most overhyped dynasty WR in the game.
I'm in that league. The pick will be somewhere between 6 and 12. Lnowing the team it was I'd say closer to 12.
No.
Believe what you want. I'd be very surprised if it's in the top 6. I've been in this league since it started.
 
I'd buy on Vjax right now. He's been banged up and Rivers hasn't been his normal self the last couple of weeks. Talent wise, this guy has it. Pretty much ALL WRs outside the top 2-3 guys are going to have their peaks and valleys. The key is not to overreact and capitalize on other owners who do.

 
Traded him for a 2012 1st, Titus Young & Jerrel Jernigan.
WOW
If that ends up being a top 3 2012 I dont blame you. He is one of the most overhyped dynasty WR in the game.
I'm in that league. The pick will be somewhere between 6 and 12. Lnowing the team it was I'd say closer to 12.
No.
Believe what you want. I'd be very surprised if it's in the top 6. I've been in this league since it started.
Really don't know what this adds to your argument.He was 1-2 with AJ & Best at full strength.

 
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Traded him for a 2012 1st, Titus Young & Jerrel Jernigan.
WOW
If that ends up being a top 3 2012 I dont blame you. He is one of the most overhyped dynasty WR in the game.
I'm in that league. The pick will be somewhere between 6 and 12. Lnowing the team it was I'd say closer to 12.
No.
Believe what you want. I'd be very surprised if it's in the top 6. I've been in this league since it started.
Really don't know what this adds to your argument.He was 1-2 with AJ & Best at full strength.
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
 
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He'd better step it up. I have VJax, Felix, Starks and Reggie Bush ####ting it up week after week. If I didn't have McCoy and FJax I would be dead.

 
When the Chargers were beaten on the last game of the 2010 season in Cincy, I saw a team that just did not buy into Norv Turner and they seemed to lay down. There were high expectations this year but I see the same scenario playing out with the exception of SD getting out of the gate a bit faster than they have in the past. VJ is going to have his explosive games but they appear to be a lost offense when Gates is out of the lineup. This team is loaded w talent but they cannot get into 4th gear on a consistent basis. Look for explosions and duds and hope for consistency.

 
he certainly should have some big games moving forward but with rivers struggling and also spreading the ball around so darn much, i traded him today.

top 5 talent but something about that situation will never allow him to produce to his potential, fantasy wise, week in and week out.

bummer.

 
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
What his team did other years means nothing. :lol:He's actually 3-4.
 
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
What his team did other years means nothing. :lol:He's actually 3-4.
As i pointed out, it's your first year in the league. I'm 5-2, he's 4-3, you're 1-5. Just saying....good luck with all your optimism.
 
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
What his team did other years means nothing. :lol:He's actually 3-4.
As i pointed out, it's your first year in the league. I'm 5-2, he's 4-3, you're 1-5. Just saying....good luck with all your optimism.
Eta: oops, you're right, he's 3-4 and you're 1-6. Still, you're not that good at this. Year is only half over. He's got q better chance,
 
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
What his team did other years means nothing. :lol:He's actually 3-4.
As i pointed out, it's your first year in the league. I'm 5-2, he's 4-3, you're 1-5. Just saying....good luck with all your optimism.
Eta: oops, you're right, he's 3-4 and you're 1-6. Still, you're not that good at this. Year is only half over. He's got q better chance,
Doesn't your league have a message board or something? Maybe you could save the league analysis for that page and use this thread to discuss...I don't know...Vincent Jackson? TIA.
 
Our division is always the toughest. We had 3 teams go from our division a year or two ago. Six teams make the playoffs. He and I have battled for the division the past 3 years. He's won the league 3 of the past 5 years, and he played for the title last year and lost. While he might not make the playoffs, I see that highly unlikely. The season is only half over, so he's not out of it at 4-3. Considering I lead our division with the state of myRBs is amazing, but I do have 4 of the top 10 players. His acquisition of VJax scares me. But this is your first year in the league, so nothing wrong with being optimistic.
What his team did other years means nothing. :lol:He's actually 3-4.
As i pointed out, it's your first year in the league. I'm 5-2, he's 4-3, you're 1-5. Just saying....good luck with all your optimism.
Eta: oops, you're right, he's 3-4 and you're 1-6. Still, you're not that good at this. Year is only half over. He's got q better chance,
Doesn't your league have a message board or something? Maybe you could save the league analysis for that page and use this thread to discuss...I don't know...Vincent Jackson? TIA.
Haha :goodposting: Way to kill a thread with plenty of potential with inter-league banter the rest of the world could care less about.
 
A little banged up plus Rivers poor play are more at fault than anything. Against the Jets he had Revis beat at least once on a deep route that might have been 60+ and a TD but Rivers under-threw it and to the outside allowing Revis to get there. Of course the announcers were all over Revis jock about how good he was when actually he was beat for a big play. Anywho, I think now would be the worst time to move him as he will only get better, and with Gates back I think he will be more consistant at getting targets.

 
A little banged up plus Rivers poor play are more at fault than anything. Against the Jets he had Revis beat at least once on a deep route that might have been 60+ and a TD but Rivers under-threw it and to the outside allowing Revis to get there. Of course the announcers were all over Revis jock about how good he was when actually he was beat for a big play. Anywho, I think now would be the worst time to move him as he will only get better, and with Gates back I think he will be more consistant at getting targets.
Sorry for the hijack, but this kills me. I know Revis is a great corner, but (just like when Favre was playing), he seems to get WAY too much pub and respect from announcers and talk-show hosts.Brandon Marshall had 6 catches for 100+ yards against him a few weeks ago, but because of one HORRIBLE pass by Matt Moore (right to Revis, not due to any "great" play on his part), everyone ignores that he gave up 100 yards receiving.

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I think he was healthy this past week and just ran into Revis. I expect a bounceback game this week, but unfortunately, I think WR2 is where he is at this point.
To me, it seemed like he has steps on Revis but Phyllis Rivers and his sissy arm couldn't get the ball to VJax.
 
A little banged up plus Rivers poor play are more at fault than anything. Against the Jets he had Revis beat at least once on a deep route that might have been 60+ and a TD but Rivers under-threw it and to the outside allowing Revis to get there. Of course the announcers were all over Revis jock about how good he was when actually he was beat for a big play. Anywho, I think now would be the worst time to move him as he will only get better, and with Gates back I think he will be more consistant at getting targets.
Sorry for the hijack, but this kills me. I know Revis is a great corner, but (just like when Favre was playing), he seems to get WAY too much pub and respect from announcers and talk-show hosts.Brandon Marshall had 6 catches for 100+ yards against him a few weeks ago, but because of one HORRIBLE pass by Matt Moore (right to Revis, not due to any "great" play on his part), everyone ignores that he gave up 100 yards receiving.

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That's not true. Close to half of Marshall's yards came against Cromartie on one play.
 
A little banged up plus Rivers poor play are more at fault than anything. Against the Jets he had Revis beat at least once on a deep route that might have been 60+ and a TD but Rivers under-threw it and to the outside allowing Revis to get there. Of course the announcers were all over Revis jock about how good he was when actually he was beat for a big play. Anywho, I think now would be the worst time to move him as he will only get better, and with Gates back I think he will be more consistant at getting targets.
Sorry for the hijack, but this kills me. I know Revis is a great corner, but (just like when Favre was playing), he seems to get WAY too much pub and respect from announcers and talk-show hosts.Brandon Marshall had 6 catches for 100+ yards against him a few weeks ago, but because of one HORRIBLE pass by Matt Moore (right to Revis, not due to any "great" play on his part), everyone ignores that he gave up 100 yards receiving.

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That's not true. Close to half of Marshall's yards came against Cromartie on one play.
The one catch did come against Marshall; he had 5 for 60 against Revis. But, the fact remains that Revis gets more pub than he always deserves. The 100-yard INT return came after Revis CLEARLY held Marshall on his route. Plus, Marshall dropped another TD when he easily beat Revis, and the ball hit him in the hands, but he just dropped it. Revis is the best (or maybe the 2nd-best) CB in the NFL right now, but that doesn't mean he is perfect, but he gets spoken about like he is.
 
I watched the first few SD games of the season and something looks off with Rivers. I think V Jax is a borderline WR1 when Rivers is on so I think he drops to a low WR2. He was my keeper last year and has another 2 years left. I decided to cut bait when I was able to get a pretty good deal. I see more 5 for 40s then 7 for over 100. He also has to compete with gates who is playing now, Matthews and Tolbert who both catch passes out of the backfield and he may draw an extra look from the safety when Gates is out opening up some room for Floyd.

Disclaimer: I could be so off on this since I am no expert but its my feel

 
V Jax practiced on a Wed. for the first time in a while yesterday. Hopefully he's back healthy and can get back to the V Jax everyone drafted...

 
I don't think Rivers looking a little off has anything to do with Jackson's struggles. Rivers' TD-INT ratio is not good, but he is still throwing for 286 yards per game, so the yards are still there to be gotten, and yet Jackson has gone for under 35 yards in three of the Chargers six games. Sure, all WRs have down games, but Jackson has them with more frequency than a top tier WR should. I think it is becoming clear that, while Jackson is a very good NFL WR, he is not a top WR, in real or fantasy terms. Sure, he has a few monster games a year, but he isn't consistent enough.

 
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A couple points:

SD season beginnings have been slow though their record is better than the last several seasons.

Gates and vjax not practicing a whole lot if at all has to be taking a toll on Rivers mentally. I know lots of studs sit during the week but Rivers is a streaky guy. Streaky guys like reps and not knowing who and when his guys will play or practice has to be tough. Sitting gates up to last week tells me the second half of the season all 3 of these guys will increase in value!

As previously posted vjax has faced some good secondaries while not 100%. Nearing full health and other than GB and Bal, the schedule lightens.

Brighter days are approaching.. START HIM!

 
I don't think Rivers looking a little off has anything to do with Jackson's struggles. Rivers' TD-INT ratio is not good, but he is still throwing for 286 yards per game, so the yards are still there to be gotten, and yet Jackson has gone for under 35 yards in three of the Chargers six games. Sure, all WRs have down games, but Jackson has them with more frequency than a top tier WR should. I think it is becoming clear that, while Jackson is a very good NFL WR, he is not a top WR, in real or fantasy terms. Sure, he has a few monster games a year, but he isn't consistent enough.
I agree 100%. I was very tempted by his potential pre-draft, but I knew the cost was just too much for the payout. He was 7th WR off the board on our league, ahead of Jennings, Wallace, Welker and Austin, all of whom I had graded out higher
 
I don't think Rivers looking a little off has anything to do with Jackson's struggles. Rivers' TD-INT ratio is not good, but he is still throwing for 286 yards per game, so the yards are still there to be gotten, and yet Jackson has gone for under 35 yards in three of the Chargers six games. Sure, all WRs have down games, but Jackson has them with more frequency than a top tier WR should. I think it is becoming clear that, while Jackson is a very good NFL WR, he is not a top WR, in real or fantasy terms. Sure, he has a few monster games a year, but he isn't consistent enough.
There are too many reasonable variables that could have affected his play over the past few weeks (VJax injury(s), Rivers' funk, Gates out, facing 2 of the 3 best CB's in the game the last two weeks) to draw such a definitive conclusion IMO.He still belongs solidly outside the elite Top 5 but inside the Top 10 (i.e. which is where he was preseason ranked) in both fantasy and real terms.

 
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At this point, I am willing to trade Jackson for anything of decent value. I am sick of watching him get 2-3 catches for 30-40 yards with the hope that he's going to have another monster game. I don't know if he's hurt, overrated, or if Philip Rivers is just killing his value, but he is just not worth keeping as a starting fantasy WR right now.

I know I'm not alone in drafting this guy early, but I am definitely feeling regretting passing up the other values that were available when I grabbed him in the third.

I think I'm going to package him with someone like Daniel Thomas (I have pretty good RB depth) to try to get an upgrade at WR. Hopefully the name value will still mean something.

 
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Every flipping player I drafted it seems like is a bust

Drafted Vjax in the 2nd (PPR)

Felix in the 3rd

Amendola in the 9th

Starks in the 6th

Bush in the 7th

 
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he's gotta be seeing plenty of one on one with gates getting the two man escorts every other play
He has looked open a number of times, and he's definitely getting targets. I think that it's a combo of Jackson simply not being all he was hyped to be, and Rivers being terrible.Hoping for some stats with the Chargers in catch-up mode to make his overall numbers look a little better for trade value. He's sitting at 87 points in my league this year. 100 points looks a lot better than 92, when you're looking to trade. Especially when Roddy White has exactly 100. I would gladly dump him for Roddy.
 
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He was open for an easy TD on that play they replayed showing Crayton with single coverage on the right side.

 
I think VJax has officially lost his WR1 status in any format, or league. Its just not there. He occasionally will blow up but he isn't doing it consistant enough to warrant WR1 status. You guys agree??? :thumbdown:

 
Hanging by this last tidbit....Champ, Revis, Flowers were the past 3 games he faced. Anyone know if he was mainly matched up with these guys each game?

 
Hanging by this last tidbit....Champ, Revis, Flowers were the past 3 games he faced. Anyone know if he was mainly matched up with these guys each game?
He was definitely matched up mostly against Champ and Revis. Flowers appeared to be rotating coverage to different receivers tonight.Hopefully against the Packers next week, he'll have a chance to do something. Sadly, he is a player that can be easily taken out of the game by a good CB.
 
I think VJax has officially lost his WR1 status in any format, or league. Its just not there. He occasionally will blow up but he isn't doing it consistant enough to warrant WR1 status. You guys agree??? :thumbdown:
I think WR1 was already gone. I would be happy to get low level WR2 production from him now.
 
He was open for an easy TD on that play they replayed showing Crayton with single coverage on the right side.
I saw that, and I also saw Jackson in the background throw his hands down in disgust knowing he had a sure TD if Rivers would just get him the ball...Rivers is simply not looking his way enough to produce WR1/2 numbers. Now with Gates back and getting alot more looks he's a WR3 from what I'm seeing, Rivers throws for 369 and Jackson gets 49 yards, that's a big red flag there...
 
Rivers is playing terribly this year. I'm not sure what the deal is. This in and of itself makes Jackson not an WR1 for the rest of the season, and until Rivers gets out of his funk, he's nothing more than a weak WR2. You may get a couple of big weeks here and there, and overall he might threaten the top 12-15, but week to week, you can't count on him.

 

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