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Tough one to call here on the Steelers passing game. Lots of teams will be playing guys early vs. a pretty tough pass D to date. 2nd vs QB's and 1st against WR's in my league scoring.

Anyone sitting the likes of Big Ben, Wallace, Brown....? I don't see where Cleveland has faced a real good QB so I think their numbers are a bit skewed. Look at this...

Wk 1 Cincy Rookie QB

Wk 2 Indy Curtis Painter

Wk 3 Mia Henne

Wk 4 Tenn hasselbeck

wk 6 oak Campbell

wk 7 Sea Jackson...or worse

wk 8 SF Smith

wk 9 Hou Schaub Ok? maybe

wk 10 StL Bradford

wk 11 Jax Gabbert

wk 12 Cincy Dalton looking better

wk 13 Balt Flacco

Just don't see the talent the Steelers are going to bring...wondering what the shark pool thinks.

 
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Mostly they've played some of the worst passing offenses in the league this year and that is why they are really 1st in passing defense. However, they did hold Matt Schaub to 14/29 for 119yds and 0 Tds... and held Flacco to 10/23 for 158yds and 0TDs. While I didn't just write Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, still Schaub has been considered a decent to above average QB. So take that for what it's worth.

 
'Khy said:
Mostly they've played some of the worst passing offenses in the league this year and that is why they are really 1st in passing defense. However, they did hold Matt Schaub to 14/29 for 119yds and 0 Tds... and held Flacco to 10/23 for 158yds and 0TDs. While I didn't just write Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, still Schaub has been considered a decent to above average QB. So take that for what it's worth.
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Both Houston and Balt run the crap out of it.....The way the Steelers running game has looked I don't know if they can do the same. Mendy's looked good to an extent, but he isn't taking over games like Foster and Rice. Sorry for the edit...somehow my laptop decided to post the message before I was finished.
 
'thatguythere said:
'Khy said:
Mostly they've played some of the worst passing offenses in the league this year and that is why they are really 1st in passing defense. However, they did hold Matt Schaub to 14/29 for 119yds and 0 Tds... and held Flacco to 10/23 for 158yds and 0TDs. While I didn't just write Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, still Schaub has been considered a decent to above average QB. So take that for what it's worth.
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Both Houston and Balt run the crap out of it.....The way the Steelers running game has looked I don't know if they can do the same. Mendy's looked good to an extent, but he isn't taking over games like Foster and Rice. Sorry for the edit...somehow my laptop decided to post the message before I was finished.
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The only guy to have a decent fantasy day against Cle was Matt Hasselback with 220 3/1. The Browns stink against the run and don't score many points, so the Steelers will probably just try and get their running game going as well.It really depends on who your other options are, but I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on the Steelers passing game this week.
 
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'Khy said:
Mostly they've played some of the worst passing offenses in the league this year and that is why they are really 1st in passing defense. However, they did hold Matt Schaub to 14/29 for 119yds and 0 Tds... and held Flacco to 10/23 for 158yds and 0TDs. While I didn't just write Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, still Schaub has been considered a decent to above average QB. So take that for what it's worth.
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The Texans ran for 261 yards against the Browns. The Ravens ran for 290 yards against them. Their run D is one of the worst I've ever seen. Maybe Roethlisberger throws a little, but I can't imagine more than 25 attempts. On a short week vs. a team that is beat up after getting manhandled by Baltimore, I think the Steelers will punch the Browns in the mouth with the running game all day and the Browns will curl up and let them run wild.I see Mendenhall with 25 carries for 150 yards, and Redman with 15 carries for 75 yards, at a minimum, as the Steelers win 27-3.
 
Would you guys bench Big Ben for guys on the waiver wire with easy matchups?

Guys like Grossman, Matt Moore, Hasselbeck, Palmer?

Or am I just overthinking things.

 
I have Vick and Rothlisberger and I just picked up Grossman to play against NE. I would go Grossman if I were you.

'mistersmith said:
Would you guys bench Big Ben for guys on the waiver wire with easy matchups?Guys like Grossman, Matt Moore, Hasselbeck, Palmer?Or am I just overthinking things.
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I'm debating rolling with the Steeler D over the Lion D--how many people feel confident starting Pitt D this week? I'm leaning against doing so, since they haven't caused many turnovers this season.

 
Last time Ben played the number one pass defense was wk 5. He tossed 5 tds and they weren't the number one pass defense anymore. Had him on my bench and barely squeeked out a win. 4 out of 5 TD's were inside the 10 yd line. I think mendy was out that game.....

My other choice is Tebow so I got some thinkin to do.

 
'FGITLOTR said:
I'm debating rolling with the Steeler D over the Lion D--how many people feel confident starting Pitt D this week? I'm leaning against doing so, since they haven't caused many turnovers this season.
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I tried to get cute and bench them for NE D last week and got 15 points less. Lions wont have Suh.
 
I think the question is, how many yards/TDs can Mendenhall get with 13 carries? I say he goes for 110/2, Redman gets 60 and Mewelde catches a couple for 25 yds. Wallace will probably get a lot of defensive attention over the top and goes 4/90/1 and the "other" 'Tone gets 6/80. Heath picks up 4/50 and Sanders/Ward another 50. McCoy is going to have a hard time sticking his right foot in the ground due to knee injury and takes a few sacks on sloppy dropbacks and sails a few passes. I'd expect at least 3 sacks and 2 turnovers from him alone and maybe as many as 4-5 counting fumbles and picks.

 
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'FGITLOTR said:
I'm debating rolling with the Steeler D over the Lion D--how many people feel confident starting Pitt D this week? I'm leaning against doing so, since they haven't caused many turnovers this season.
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That early season drought was bound to turn around. They have eight turnovers in their last three games. If you also get points for points allowed I would lean Pittsburgh since Cleveland should struggle mightily to score.
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Harrison was playing at a JV level early in the season while recovering from back surgery. He has really turned it on over the last month. The young guys rotating (and now starting) on the D line have started stepping it up too. Young CBs have come around quite a bit this season and the Pitt D is almost back to being what they have been. If Woodley were healthy they'd be as beastly as ever.
 
in 13 games v. Browns, Big Ben is 12-1, 62% comp, 19 TD, 9 INT, 99.2 rating, 8.95 avg yards/att, 25.3 att/gm,228.5 yards/gm..

last years games:

1. 16-27,257, 59.3 comp%, 3 td, 1 int, 112.9 rating

2. 15-22, 280, 68.2 comp%, 2 td 141.3 rating..

if EVER a game screamed 'start Big Ben!!!' it is this game tomorrow night!

I know Cleveland can't stop the run,but they couldn't stop it last year, either, and Ben still had two huge games against them..

 
'Tanner9919 said:
in 13 games v. Browns, Big Ben is 12-1, 62% comp, 19 TD, 9 INT, 99.2 rating, 8.95 avg yards/att, 25.3 att/gm,228.5 yards/gm..

last years games:

1. 16-27,257, 59.3 comp%, 3 td, 1 int, 112.9 rating

2. 15-22, 280, 68.2 comp%, 2 td 141.3 rating..

if EVER a game screamed 'start Big Ben!!!' it is this game tomorrow night!

I know Cleveland can't stop the run,but they couldn't stop it last year, either, and Ben still had two huge games against them..
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Tanner...I agree. I had Mendy and Big Ben, but trade Mendy for Wallace and went all in on the passing game. Now I play the trade partner. We'll see if I was right or not.

Ben came limping into the locker room before the Tenn game, and threw 5 td's when a lot of people thought Tenn was going to shut down the pass. Field position was the key with good returns and even a fake punt. They ran the ball a lot, but still threw TD's inside the 10.

I'm hoping for half of what he did against Tenn.

 
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'FGITLOTR said:
I'm debating rolling with the Steeler D over the Lion D--how many people feel confident starting Pitt D this week? I'm leaning against doing so, since they haven't caused many turnovers this season.
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I tried to get cute and bench them for NE D last week and got 15 points less. Lions wont have Suh.
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I did the same, and was lucky to still win depite those lost 15 points. I don't care that Dodds has the NE defense rated high against Washington, they are going back to the waiver wire tonight. You just can't trust that Pats D. The Steelers should roll the Browns in a very very boring game. :yawn: :sleep:
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
'GoBirds said:
'FGITLOTR said:
I'm debating rolling with the Steeler D over the Lion D--how many people feel confident starting Pitt D this week? I'm leaning against doing so, since they haven't caused many turnovers this season.
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I tried to get cute and bench them for NE D last week and got 15 points less. Lions wont have Suh.
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I did the same, and was lucky to still win depite those lost 15 points. I don't care that Dodds has the NE defense rated high against Washington, they are going back to the waiver wire tonight. You just can't trust that Pats D. The Steelers should roll the Browns in a very very boring game. :yawn: :sleep:
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I'm confident because it's in Pittsburgh.Their offense has lit it up at home this year.
 
Great posts, guys. Thanks for the info.

I did debate starting Grossman, but his #1 target and his starting left tackle are both out.

I am considering Matt Moore as well.

But I'll probably go with Big Ben considering what I've read in here so far.

Big Ben does play at home really well.

Might as roll with the guys that got you there.

 
This might be an example of a defense that is poor against the run and having a poor offense themselves giving up game-control gameplans to opposing teams.

Opponents run the ball, get a lead, run the ball some more, hold the ball, and basically suffocate the Browns. I've seen a couple Browns games offhand this year and that's how it looks.

Cleveland does a couple good db's and at LB Fujita I think is terrific, but he was hurt recently and is out for the year, so that should be a bump down for the Browns defense vs what they were doing earlier.

Also, I think Cincy with Dalton and Green (3/110/0) did pretty well vs Cleveland last game. However as an fyi I just looked it up and besides Green no WR has gotten more than 87 yards (Bess, Mia) vs CLE this year. After that it's 82 yards (DHB) and then 66 (Wayne) and 54 (Crabtree). 4 TDs allowed to Wrs all year, 1 in the last 5 weeks, 0 in the last 3 weeks.

All that and I would not bench any Steelers vs Cleveland.

 
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'SaintsInDome2006 said:
This might be an example of a defense that is poor against the run and having a poor offense themselves giving up game-control gameplans to opposing teams.Opponents run the ball, get a lead, run the ball some more, hold the ball, and basically suffocate the Browns. I've seen a couple Browns games offhand this year and that's how it looks.Cleveland does a couple good db's and at LB Fujita I think is terrific, but he was hurt recently and is out for the year, so that should be a bump down for the Browns defense vs what they were doing earlier.Also, I think Cincy with Dalton and Green (3/110/0) did pretty well vs Cleveland last game. However as an fyi I just looked it up and besides Green no WR has gotten more than 87 yards (Bess, Mia) vs CLE this year. After that it's 82 yards (DHB) and then 66 (Wayne) and 54 (Crabtree). 4 TDs allowed to Wrs all year, 1 in the last 5 weeks, 0 in the last 3 weeks.All that and I would not bench any Steelers vs Cleveland.
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Great...my only viable option to Brown is Bowe v. Revis. :wall:
 
Ok here is how I see it going.

The Browns do suck vs the run but the Steelers don't really have the type of run game to take full advantage of it and they really are a pass first team. I do think the Steelers defense will dominate in this game and think the Steelers will see some short fields and will work on the clock quite a bit. I don't see a lot of offense in general but I think it will be a lobsided win for Pittsburgh.

Big Ben 18/25 for 230 yards and 3 td's

Mendenhall 18 carries for 80 yards and 1 TD

Redman 8 for 40 yards.

Wallace 3 catches for 50 and 1td(Haden is pretty good and will focus on Wallace)

Brown 5 catches for 70 and 1TD.

Steelers total yards 350, Browns 180

Final Score Pittsburgh 31 Cleveland 6

 
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'mistersmith said:
Great posts, guys. Thanks for the info.

I did debate starting Grossman, but his #1 target and his starting left tackle are both out.

I am considering Matt Moore as well.

But I'll probably go with Big Ben considering what I've read in here so far.

Big Ben does play at home really well.

Might as roll with the guys that got you there.
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Weird-in recent weeks, I picked up those exact same guys because of Roethlisberger's "mini-slump." Before I read this thread, I was second-guessing my decision to start Moore over Ben. Now, (I guess) I'm triple-guessing my decision.
 
The Browns' problem is that they don't dominate the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. They have the 30th ranked rushing offense and 31st ranked rushing defense. That SCREAMS offensive and defensive line upgrades. Unfortunately, so many people are distracted by their lack of WRs that people want them to pick more WRs high in the draft again.

Anyway, the Steelers should dominate the lines and win easily.

 
'gradin123 said:
Ok here is how I see it going.

The Browns do suck vs the run but the Steelers don't really have the type of run game to take full advantage of it and they really are a pass first team. I do think the Steelers defense will dominate in this game and think the Steelers will see some short fields and will work on the clock quite a bit. I don't see a lot of offense in general but I think it will be a lobsided win for Pittsburgh.

Big Ben 18/25 for 230 yards and 3 td's

Mendenhall 18 carries for 80 yards and 1 TD

Redman 8 for 40 yards.

Wallace 3 catches for 50 and 1td(Haden is pretty good and will focus on Wallace)

Brown 5 catches for 70 and 1TD.

Steelers total yards 350, Browns 180

Final Score Pittsburgh 31 Cleveland 6
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Please make this happen......
 
Since I just picked up the Steelers kicker, I am hoping for just enough redzone presence, but a stiff Cleveland defense at the GL to get plenty of kick attempts. That and having a player on Thursday makes it interesting to watch.

 
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'Fensalk said:
The Browns' problem is that they don't dominate the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. They have the 30th ranked rushing offense and 31st ranked rushing defense. That SCREAMS offensive and defensive line upgrades. Unfortunately, so many people are distracted by their lack of WRs that people want them to pick more WRs high in the draft again. Anyway, the Steelers should dominate the lines and win easily.
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In watching the Browns play the Ravens last week, it struck me that there were 2, maybe 3, Browns out of their starting 22 that could start for the Ravens - Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and maybe D'Qwell Jackson at ILB in a 3-4. NFL Network pointed out that even though the Ravens were running lateral running plays, trying to create creases for Ray Rice to dart through, the Browns' D Lineman were still getting pushed a yard backward off the line of scrimmage.This will me a mismatch - Redman might be a great sleeper play for someone desperate at RB. I think he ends up with 80+ total yards and a TD. Mendenhall will have 2 TDs and go way over 100 yards rushing, with Roethlisberger throwing for 175 yards on 25 attempts in a 31-6 win.
 
fwiw, bodog has the nfl player props for ben as follows:

passing yards: 250 yards with -130 for the over

passing tds: 1.5 tds with -180 for the over

for those not aware, a minus basically means that vegas feels the over is the favorite vs the under for each prop

 
'The_Man said:
'Fensalk said:
The Browns' problem is that they don't dominate the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. They have the 30th ranked rushing offense and 31st ranked rushing defense. That SCREAMS offensive and defensive line upgrades. Unfortunately, so many people are distracted by their lack of WRs that people want them to pick more WRs high in the draft again. Anyway, the Steelers should dominate the lines and win easily.
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In watching the Browns play the Ravens last week, it struck me that there were 2, maybe 3, Browns out of their starting 22 that could start for the Ravens - Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and maybe D'Qwell Jackson at ILB in a 3-4. NFL Network pointed out that even though the Ravens were running lateral running plays, trying to create creases for Ray Rice to dart through, the Browns' D Lineman were still getting pushed a yard backward off the line of scrimmage.This will me a mismatch - Redman might be a great sleeper play for someone desperate at RB. I think he ends up with 80+ total yards and a TD. Mendenhall will have 2 TDs and go way over 100 yards rushing, with Roethlisberger throwing for 175 yards on 25 attempts in a 31-6 win.
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What saddens me is they actually hit on Joe Thomas at left tackle, and he'll anchor the spot for a decade, but they aren't drafting more OL high to take advantage of it besides Alex Mack. Thomas is in year 5 already. We're wasting him. At this point, even if they started drafting OL high in year 6, Thomas will be almost a 10 year vet before the rest of the line is built. He'll be in decline.
 
For those of us looking for an angle on Antonio Brown tonight, can we break down the CB's for Cleveland?

Haden is elite from all accounts, which would most likely mean a lot of Mike Wallace coverage. What about the rest of the defensive backfield? Mismatch for Brown? He went 4/52 last year in Week 17, anything of note in that game?

I'm assuming its mostly terrible run defense that is ranking Cleveland 1st against the pass. Brown has been extremely close to breaking off a big game recently, and has been consistent with the exception of last week. Just wish Cleveland had a little more offense to keep Ben throwing for 4Q's

 
'azmat said:
fwiw, bodog has the nfl player props for ben as follows:passing yards: 250 yards with -130 for the overpassing tds: 1.5 tds with -180 for the overfor those not aware, a minus basically means that vegas feels the over is the favorite vs the under for each prop
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Thanks for the info. Is the -130 in yards? Is the -180 supposed to be -1.8 for TD's?
 
'thatguythere said:
'azmat said:
fwiw, bodog has the nfl player props for ben as follows:passing yards: 250 yards with -130 for the overpassing tds: 1.5 tds with -180 for the overfor those not aware, a minus basically means that vegas feels the over is the favorite vs the under for each prop
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Thanks for the info. Is the -130 in yards? Is the -180 supposed to be -1.8 for TD's?
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Means you lay $130 to make $100.Were there any props re: Mendy?
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Since I just picked up the Steelers kicker, I am hoping for just enough redzone presence, but a stiff Cleveland defense at the GL to get plenty of kick attempts. That and having a player on Thursday makes it interesting to watch.
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:yes: Steelers D and Suisham are the two fantasy starts in this game that I see have the highest degree of panning out.I own Ben and am likely sitting him for Sanchez. Sanchez is a risk, but I think the PIT gameplan will lean heavily on the run as they keep the score low and grind the clock out.
 
All signs point to me being very happy about starting Mendy and Steelers def. Cleveland is horrible against the run and they don't score much. Typically however, when my fantasy team is involved, all signs pointing to something happening, usually results in the opposite occurring. Expect a barn burner for both teams opening up the passing games and scoring high.

 
'Bayhawks said:
'mistersmith said:
Great posts, guys. Thanks for the info.

I did debate starting Grossman, but his #1 target and his starting left tackle are both out.

I am considering Matt Moore as well.

But I'll probably go with Big Ben considering what I've read in here so far.

Big Ben does play at home really well.

Might as roll with the guys that got you there.
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Weird-in recent weeks, I picked up those exact same guys because of Roethlisberger's "mini-slump." Before I read this thread, I was second-guessing my decision to start Moore over Ben. Now, (I guess) I'm triple-guessing my decision.
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I have the same problem, I have Matt Moore, but I'm rolling with Big Ben..Nat'l TV, Thursday night game, at home vs a team that Ben has owned in the past, a team that just gave up over 200 rushing yards to Ray Rice..Perhaps that means maybe,just maybe, the Browns play with some heart and make the extra effort to 'try' to stop the run..even if they're moderately successful at stopping the run, this would mean Pitt's passing game will be the driving force of the Steelers' offense tonight..Matt Moore has been playing well lately, but you wonder when ( or even if) he's going to have a bad game..and who knows about Philly - the Eagles are schizophrenic , you never know what team shows up from week to week.they get Vick back, so does that make everyone else play better ? probably..you never know if/when the Eagles are going to put up a strong defensive effort..perhaps it happens this week..will Sparano lean on the Miami running game to keep the Eagles' offense on the sidelines? probably. Last week, we all thought that Matt Moore would have an explosive game against Oakland, but that didn't happen, as Miami pounded the running game at the Raiders..they might do the same to the Eagles..

If the Steelers were playing Baltimore , I'd definitely go with Moore instead of Big Ben. But this game is against the Browns, a familiar division foe that Pittsburgh has whipped 12 times in the last 13 games..

this is a prep tool for the Steelers to fine tune their passing game for next week's matchup v. 49'ers - a team that stops the run extremely well, but can be passed on..

like someone else mentioned, Pittsburgh doesn't run the ball particularly well, their bread and butter is the passing game..

I like to look at the point spreads for games like this...Pitt is -14, 39 O/u..that means a lot of scoring from the Steelers'..

 
'Tanner9919 said:
'Bayhawks said:
'mistersmith said:
Great posts, guys. Thanks for the info.

I did debate starting Grossman, but his #1 target and his starting left tackle are both out.

I am considering Matt Moore as well.

But I'll probably go with Big Ben considering what I've read in here so far.

Big Ben does play at home really well.

Might as roll with the guys that got you there.
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Weird-in recent weeks, I picked up those exact same guys because of Roethlisberger's "mini-slump." Before I read this thread, I was second-guessing my decision to start Moore over Ben. Now, (I guess) I'm triple-guessing my decision.
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I have the same problem, I have Matt Moore, but I'm rolling with Big Ben..Nat'l TV, Thursday night game, at home vs a team that Ben has owned in the past, a team that just gave up over 200 rushing yards to Ray Rice..Perhaps that means maybe,just maybe, the Browns play with some heart and make the extra effort to 'try' to stop the run..even if they're moderately successful at stopping the run, this would mean Pitt's passing game will be the driving force of the Steelers' offense tonight..Matt Moore has been playing well lately, but you wonder when ( or even if) he's going to have a bad game..and who knows about Philly - the Eagles are schizophrenic , you never know what team shows up from week to week.they get Vick back, so does that make everyone else play better ? probably..you never know if/when the Eagles are going to put up a strong defensive effort..perhaps it happens this week..will Sparano lean on the Miami running game to keep the Eagles' offense on the sidelines? probably. Last week, we all thought that Matt Moore would have an explosive game against Oakland, but that didn't happen, as Miami pounded the running game at the Raiders..they might do the same to the Eagles..

If the Steelers were playing Baltimore , I'd definitely go with Moore instead of Big Ben. But this game is against the Browns, a familiar division foe that Pittsburgh has whipped 12 times in the last 13 games..

this is a prep tool for the Steelers to fine tune their passing game for next week's matchup v. 49'ers - a team that stops the run extremely well, but can be passed on..

like someone else mentioned, Pittsburgh doesn't run the ball particularly well, their bread and butter is the passing game..

I like to look at the point spreads for games like this...Pitt is -14, 39 O/u..that means a lot of scoring from the Steelers'..
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Great info. Thanks!I'm still flip flopping back and forth as well between Big Ben and Matt Moore.

I did read somewhere that there was a slight chance of rain for the Miami vs Philly game.

I think I'm sticking with Ben though. I'll feel like a bigger fool if I bench Ben and then he puts up a ton of points.

That point spread did surprise me.

 
I'm benching Ben for this one. I have Tebow and Ryan and one of those guys will get the start. Even if Ben had a somewhat better matchup I would probably sit him as I hate having players go in Thursday night gmaes.

 
The Steelers traditionally have poor special teams, and Josh Cribbs has fared well against them. The Browns lost their awesome special teams coach this past offseason and their special teams have declined. Cribbs has not had a return TD in 30 games now.

Also, the NFL has deflated special teams action with rules changes this year, and that was the one aspect of the game the Browns dominated the Steelers, which sucks. Like the Steelers needed any more help.

 
I'm hoping Haden matches up with Wallace and Antonio Brown has a good night.

Not only has CLE faced bad QBs but the teams they faced don't have the WR depth that PIT has.

 
'JaxBill said:
I'm hoping Haden matches up with Wallace and Antonio Brown has a good night.Not only has CLE faced bad QBs but the teams they faced don't have the WR depth that PIT has.
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Is Haden really a shutdown corner that will overmatch someone like Wallace? I figured this would be a great matchup against a week team, do I really bench him for headcase Marshall vs Namdi?
 
'GoBirds said:
'JaxBill said:
I'm hoping Haden matches up with Wallace and Antonio Brown has a good night.Not only has CLE faced bad QBs but the teams they faced don't have the WR depth that PIT has.
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Is Haden really a shutdown corner that will overmatch someone like Wallace? I figured this would be a great matchup against a week team, do I really bench him for headcase Marshall vs Namdi?
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I don't know about the 'shutdown' label but he's a very good cover guy and is clearly their best corner.
 
For everyone saying Pittsburgh doesn't have the running game to take advantage of the Browns, or that the Steelers running game is weak need to take another look. They have looked quite effective running the ball at many times this year, they just don't commit much time to it. Sure, they'll pass 60-40% in the 1st half, but if that equates to a 21-0 halftime score you could see 40-60% in the second half.

 
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