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DYNASTY: Top 2013 College Prospects (1 Viewer)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
What point in the game was that, so I can look at the gamelog? And if destroying ND and UGA isn't enough - what is? You made claims early against Lacy and won't come off of them despite Lacy answering any objective question you can have about him.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I felt better about Martin because of his creative play making ability and shiftiness.Ingram and Mendenhall are better comparisons. Lacy is just as overly reliant on the spin move as Mendenhall. Saw more in the passing game from Ingram too, not a lot but enough pass pro to make me more comfortable he could translate. Not sure what happened to pass catching in the NFL, crossing my fingers that changes with Payton coming back as I bought low in November.
Lynch showed levels of power in the college game I haven't seen from the others, I think that's a good separating factor.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Faust
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2013 NFL Draft: BCS Title Game observationsBy Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.comJanuary 7, 2013 9:35 pm ET
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Of course he did. But he made plays. He broke tackles, he make people miss, he ripped 40+ yard runs against an UGA defense that will litter the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft. I'm not even talking about his raw stats - I haven't brought them up once. Just watching what he did with the football - he was awesome.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I want to say mid 3rd quarter, may have been earlier.I'd probably have less questions if he played behind a worse o line. He didn't HAVE to do things to consistently gain yards that he will have to do in the NFL. Unfair? Yeah, a bit, but the game tape doesn't lie. He knew he had the holes, just follow the blue print and look for creases to get extra yards then envoke the spin move when able to. He's not going to have those holes in the NFL and will either have to veer from the blue print or be more physical between the tackles. He hasn't shown he can do either - not saying he can't, saying he hasn't. A variable that must be considered.
I feel more comfortable with Gillislee because I think they have similar games, but I have seen enough from Gillislee in the pass game to feel comfortable about him having a meaningful role in the NFL. He could just be an alright runner too, but if he plays a heavy role on the passing game that's fantasy starter material in the right situation.
ZWK
Footballguy
There are more and more people posting game videos on Youtube which show every carry & target that a player had for the game.
http://www.youtube.com/user/xuesac84/videos?flow=grid&view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/JMPasq/videos?view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/MetaDraft?feature=watch
http://www.youtube.com/user/JPDraftJedi/videos?flow=grid&view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/ssekyung7?feature=watch
For Lacy, you can see his games this year against
.I've been watching a lot of those videos over the past week or two. For missed & broken tackles, and yards after contact, the three guys that have stood out to me are Lacy, Gio Bernard, and Johnathan Franklin (with Lacy in front).
http://www.youtube.com/user/xuesac84/videos?flow=grid&view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/JMPasq/videos?view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/MetaDraft?feature=watch
http://www.youtube.com/user/JPDraftJedi/videos?flow=grid&view=0
http://www.youtube.com/user/ssekyung7?feature=watch
For Lacy, you can see his games this year against
.I've been watching a lot of those videos over the past week or two. For missed & broken tackles, and yards after contact, the three guys that have stood out to me are Lacy, Gio Bernard, and Johnathan Franklin (with Lacy in front).
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Die hard Florida fan who watched Gilly play in person: "That is crazy". Gillislee isn't close to the prospect Lacy is and they are not too similar as players. Gilly doesn't have the power/speed ratio, nor the footwork of Lacy (and that is saying something as he is a good deal smaller). He didn't make people miss or run them over. He did a great job of feeling holes and is pretty instinctive. Tashard Choice-like. Trent Richardson had a great line last year - should we have written his production off? Just look at what Lacy did after initial contact - that translates.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Richardson showed special qualities in the passing game and creativity when the play wasn't there on top of everything else Lacy does well, big difference between them imho.Just bringing up Gillislee for a current year comp. Gillislee has a special quality, ability in the passing game. NFL is becoming more of a passing league, so I feel comfortable he finds a big role. As a pure runner, I don't think he's anything special, but he's functional. Mix strong passing skills with functional running abilities and you have something good.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Franklin's a guy not being talked about much now that I think will change over the next few months. He has those Gillislee like tendencies in the passing game, BUT he's also shown power and agility in the run game too. Hoping he doesn't get too big of a bandwagon, so if he goes to a nice spot he's there in the 2nd part of round 1 when I'm drafting.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Gillislee played for a team whose staff didn't trust their QB. That's the reason for his raw receiving stats. There was nothing special about him in the passing game, at all. He is not going to have a role in the NFL as a specialist. In my personal opinion, he is VERY reliant on situation. Could be a nice back up, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't stick in the league. And again, I'm a big Florida fan and have every reason to pull for him.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Lacy might be the real deal but I not buying in just yet. It has something to do with how good the 2005 USC offense made Lendale White look. If he performs at the combine I may be convinced.(I'm not sure why I am even posting. I doubt I will be drafting in any dynasty leagues this year)
MAC_32
Footballguy
LenWhale isn't a fair comparison imho, he failed because he was doughy, slow in and out of his cuts, and had a poor work ethic. Don't know yay or nay about Lacy's work ethic, but he's not doughy and not slow in and out of his cuts. I think he takes an extra step to really get going after he pops out of his cuts too often but it's still quicker than LenWhale.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Not really comparing the players as much as I was comparing the two teams domination on the oline. I agree that Lacy is a far better athlete than LenDale. I will admit that I am biased. I never liked big backs. I usually avoid them at all costs and most of the time I don't regret it.
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Here's Lacy's stats against Georgia by quarter:1st quarter: 3 rushes, 21 yards (7.0 avg)
2nd quarter: 6 rushes, 69 yards (11.5 avg), 1 TD
3rd quarter: 8 rushes, 86 yards (10.8 avg)
4th quarter: 3 rushes, 5 yards (1.7 avg), 1 TD
Looks like he was having success from the get-go to me.
And what is it about Gillislee's receiving game that makes you confident he will succeed in that role in the NFL, whereas you aren't similarly as confident about Lacy despite Lacy having considerably more receptions and a considerably better yards-per-reception than Gillislee in their respective NCAA careers?
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Really don't think you can use their stats to compare and contrast. Florida has an awful o line and something awful at QB, Gillislee was the only productive element of the offense for almost the entire season - commanded the defenses attention because they knew if they shut him down they shut Florida down. Can't do the same with Lacy and Alabama.I'm more comfortable with Gillislee because of the skills he shows in the passing game. Very adept at pass blocking. Not just willingness to take on blockers, but technique and reading the guy he is assigned too. When he is in the passing game he shows the ability to find the soft spot against zone and does a very good job about acting like a blocker then reverse course mid play and make himself available as a passing threat, soft hands and has a good sense about what he's going to do after the catch without thinking - this is often a big issue with backs in the passing game. Having seen him do all of the above across several different games makes me more comfortable about this translating to the NFL. Like the questions in the run game I posed earlier re Lacy, not saying he can't do the above, just saying I haven't seen it. Comfort factor's just not there without the game tape. Veering outside the comfort zone outside the top 50-60 picks (and 1st round in dyno) is to be expected, but in the first two rounds of the NFL draft and in the first round of my rookie draft I want to feel comfortable the guy I'm picking will be an asset. With Lacy...I need to see where he goes. i.e. I was very sour on David Wilson this time last year, but when a team I respect that had a logical hole opening soon at RB picked him up my mind changed from 'not in round #1' to #5 on my board behind Rich, Martin, RG3, and Luck. I could see something similar happen with Lacy.
plastik
Footballguy
UF alum here who watched every game this season... definitely crazy. I wanted so badly to be excited about Gillislee's NFL prospects, but watching him, I just don't see it. Lacy, on the other hand, looks the part to me.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Who do you think is pretty decent?
ZWK
Footballguy
Here are my RB rankings at this point, based on what I've seen on video, plus objective information like height, weight, and injury history. This is for fantasy, so upside is weighted heavily - it's similar to ranking players based on how likely they are to make the Pro Bowl. I've tried to ignore other people's opinions and base these rankings on my own independent analysis, even though I do give other people's evaluations a lot of weight in my actual dynasty drafts.
Tier 1:
Eddie Lacy
Giovani Bernard
Johnathan Franklin
Marcus Lattimore
Tier 2:
Christine Michael
Kenjon Barner
Montee Ball
Mike Gillislee
Knile Davis
Tier 3:
Ray Graham
Andre Ellington
Zac Stacy
Le'Veon Bell
DJ Harper
Tier 4:
Joseph Randle
Stepfan Taylor
Kerwynn Williams
Rex Burkhead
And these are my main impressions which are the basis for the rankings. Most of them were based on 3 games worth of play, and some of them will change over the coming months (based on watching more video, considering other people's evaluations, getting combine numbers, etc.).
Tier 1: Lacy, Bernard, and Franklin stood out for being hard to tackle, Lacy primarily with power and Gio & Franklin with a mix of skills that make them elusive. All three seem like relatively balanced, complete backs - especially Gio, who was heavily involved as a receiver (with Lacy I might have to add the qualifier "for his size"). Their speed/burst is pretty good but not elite. That's more of a concern for the smaller backs (I'll be paying a lot of attention to their combine numbers); Lacy had the explosiveness he needed to break tackles and might even deserve his own tier at the top. Lattimore had more speed and no questions about his size. His injury brings him down to the bottom of the tier but no further (he still might be the second most likely to make the Pro Bowl, after Lacy).
Tier 2: Michael, Ball, and Gillislee all look the part of a decent NFL back (including pretty good size & speed), and seem like relatively complete players, but don't stand out as having any elite skills. Michael & Gillislee have more speed, Ball has more power but still shows some burst through the hole. Barner & Davis are high-risk, high-upside guys. Barner is a relatively one-dimensional undersized speed back, but he's really fast (and very fast RBs have a good success rate). Knile Davis 2010 had speed and looked like a dangerous downhill runner as soon as he had a crease; the 2012 version danced around too much so that even when he made the first guy miss the pursuit would get to him. He'll need to return to his 2010 form, and make additional improvements (like ball security).
Tier 3: Graham, Ellington, Stacy, and Harper are all undersized guys who have shown some skill, Graham (2011 version) and Stacy with more shiftiness and Ellington & Harper with more speed. Graham (2011) broke a lot of tackles, but he's listed at 192 lbs. and doesn't have great speed, which raises concerns about how well his game will translate to the NFL (Graham 2012 looked pretty bad, but gets a mulligan for his ACL recovery year). I really liked Stacy's quick feet and elusiveness
, but he wasn't able to elude defenders as well in the other games I saw. Ellington & Harper don't seem quite fast enough to succeed as pure speed backs, and don't stand out as especially shifty/elusive, although Ellington did have some success as an interior runner and Harper showed some ability as a down-the-field receiver. Le'Veon Bell is similar to the relatively complete tier 2 backs, but slower and much bigger; unfortunately his weight only seems to have a small benefit in terms of making him harder to bring down (he's nowhere close to Lacy).Tier 4: Randle is skinny and not that fast; he rarely breaks tackles (although he is good at burrowing/diving forward for a few extra yards). Taylor lacks burst, and is only average in terms of power/elusiveness. If I was incorporating reputation in these rankings I might have him at the top of tier 3 as a passing down specialist who could get a bigger role in the right situation. Burkhead seems similar (although I only saw one game of his). Kerwynn Williams is like a smaller, easier to tackle version of Ellington & Harper.
Tier 1:
Eddie Lacy
Giovani Bernard
Johnathan Franklin
Marcus Lattimore
Tier 2:
Christine Michael
Kenjon Barner
Montee Ball
Mike Gillislee
Knile Davis
Tier 3:
Ray Graham
Andre Ellington
Zac Stacy
Le'Veon Bell
DJ Harper
Tier 4:
Joseph Randle
Stepfan Taylor
Kerwynn Williams
Rex Burkhead
And these are my main impressions which are the basis for the rankings. Most of them were based on 3 games worth of play, and some of them will change over the coming months (based on watching more video, considering other people's evaluations, getting combine numbers, etc.).
Tier 1: Lacy, Bernard, and Franklin stood out for being hard to tackle, Lacy primarily with power and Gio & Franklin with a mix of skills that make them elusive. All three seem like relatively balanced, complete backs - especially Gio, who was heavily involved as a receiver (with Lacy I might have to add the qualifier "for his size"). Their speed/burst is pretty good but not elite. That's more of a concern for the smaller backs (I'll be paying a lot of attention to their combine numbers); Lacy had the explosiveness he needed to break tackles and might even deserve his own tier at the top. Lattimore had more speed and no questions about his size. His injury brings him down to the bottom of the tier but no further (he still might be the second most likely to make the Pro Bowl, after Lacy).
Tier 2: Michael, Ball, and Gillislee all look the part of a decent NFL back (including pretty good size & speed), and seem like relatively complete players, but don't stand out as having any elite skills. Michael & Gillislee have more speed, Ball has more power but still shows some burst through the hole. Barner & Davis are high-risk, high-upside guys. Barner is a relatively one-dimensional undersized speed back, but he's really fast (and very fast RBs have a good success rate). Knile Davis 2010 had speed and looked like a dangerous downhill runner as soon as he had a crease; the 2012 version danced around too much so that even when he made the first guy miss the pursuit would get to him. He'll need to return to his 2010 form, and make additional improvements (like ball security).
Tier 3: Graham, Ellington, Stacy, and Harper are all undersized guys who have shown some skill, Graham (2011 version) and Stacy with more shiftiness and Ellington & Harper with more speed. Graham (2011) broke a lot of tackles, but he's listed at 192 lbs. and doesn't have great speed, which raises concerns about how well his game will translate to the NFL (Graham 2012 looked pretty bad, but gets a mulligan for his ACL recovery year). I really liked Stacy's quick feet and elusiveness
, but he wasn't able to elude defenders as well in the other games I saw. Ellington & Harper don't seem quite fast enough to succeed as pure speed backs, and don't stand out as especially shifty/elusive, although Ellington did have some success as an interior runner and Harper showed some ability as a down-the-field receiver. Le'Veon Bell is similar to the relatively complete tier 2 backs, but slower and much bigger; unfortunately his weight only seems to have a small benefit in terms of making him harder to bring down (he's nowhere close to Lacy).Tier 4: Randle is skinny and not that fast; he rarely breaks tackles (although he is good at burrowing/diving forward for a few extra yards). Taylor lacks burst, and is only average in terms of power/elusiveness. If I was incorporating reputation in these rankings I might have him at the top of tier 3 as a passing down specialist who could get a bigger role in the right situation. Burkhead seems similar (although I only saw one game of his). Kerwynn Williams is like a smaller, easier to tackle version of Ellington & Harper.
MAC_32
Footballguy
In this draft class? I think there are about a dozen decent, but flawed prospects - none that are clearly good, or better. With those types, situation is going to be more important than most previous classes in which there were players that separated themselves from the rest. When I say situation I don't just mean good teams either, I mean teams that will use these guys for specific roles that mask their flaws and allow them to utilize their strengths. If they're able to correct their flaws then role expansion can come sometime later.
Xue
Footballguy
Zac Stacy isn't "undersized", he's just short. He's 5'9" 210 lbs.
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Awesome work! When are you releasing your wr and qb ranks?
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Thanks for this. Le'Veon Bell is a guy I rank higher than most. In this weak class, Gio and Lacy are the only 2 guys I would say are a clear tier ahead of him.I think the line bewteen "fast enough" and not is thin. He'll either be fast enough and his size, power, athletic ability will translate, or he won't be and it won't matter. 40 time will be important.
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Well done and I respect that you don't follow group think. Jawan Jamison is missing here - did you do the list before he declared, do you just not like him or was it an oversight? Thanks again
mlball77
Footballguy
I’ve been a bit leery of Lacy. The Alabama o-line is so good that I am not sure if Lacy’s numbers are more reflective of his skills or the line’s (maybe somewhere in between?). Admittedly, I don’t watch a ton of college football, so I haven’t seen that much of Lacey this year, but I did come away impressed with how he played against Notre Dame. He looked the part to me, in that game at least. Like most of us, I’ll be interested to see how his measurables stack up at the combine. –And I’ve definitely enjoyed the discussion here on Lacy (and others). Thanks.
Liking some of the names for the Shrine Bowl (if they all show up):http://www.shrinegame.com/Teams/westRosterNew.aspxhttp://www.shrinegame.com/Teams/EastRosterNew.aspxLook forward to practice reports (and NFLN coverage) more than the game.Also, announced Senior Bowl acceptances as of 1/4:http://www.seniorbowl.com/files/SB%20ANNOUNCED%20ACCEPTANCES%201413.pdf
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Thanks for posting but Stepfan Taylor, Ellington, L. Bell belong in tier 2.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Walter Football has Lacy going to the Packers in the 2nd round. Second or 3rd RB off the board. Pittsburgh took someone ahead of them in the mock, but not sure it was anyone else before the Packers.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
'tdmills said:
The first reason mentioned in tier 1 is "hard to tackle." If that was the top criteria I don't understand how Taylor could be ranked so low. I do have concerns about his burst, but I love his hard nosed style. His ability to pass protect has also been well developed in the Stanford system. Ultimately, I suspect Taylor carves out a nice number of touches at the NFL level. I see his upside as a RB2.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Justin Hunter, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Tyler Bray all declare for the draft.
I'm seeing a lot of bust potential in that trio.
I'm seeing a lot of bust potential in that trio.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Certainly. But I like all three, given the risk is right. I know Bray is hated around here but in my 2QB league I will be keeping my eye open for him.
Don't know if Bray will ultimately be a bust - depends on when he's drafted. If it's day 3, then he isn't a bust even if he fails (based on failure rate in that range). As far as dynasty drafts go (and not sure if this is what you were eluding too), I can see all 3 either going higher than expected or not living up to expectations but all 3 are guys I would take shots on early than where the consensus likely has them.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Absolutely, Hunter and Patterson both have special ability but certainly carry potential baggage too - I think Patterson moreso. Two late round 1 picks and both are definitely under consideration.I'm on the anti Bray train though, zero interest regardless of where he ends up.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Just went through and updated my files on the RB class. Like ZWK above, this is my own work and doesn't incorporate expected draft position or anyone's opinion on a player. The initial phase is 100% quantitative. These will change as the combine and all-star game weigh ins pin down players' measurables. And again after the draft.
Clean Profile
--Eddie Lacy (hands down my top pick today)
Like, But Obvious Questions
--Marcus Lattimore (need more info on the injury)
--Knile Davis (need more info on the injuries)
--Cameron Marshall (2nd tier talent, scouts don't seem to care for him)
--Spencer Ware (2nd tier talent, seemingly off the radar right now)
Wait and See Combine Results
--Montee Ball
--Giovani Bernard
--Stepfan Taylor
--Ray Graham
Don't Like, but Could be Surprised
--Mike Gillislee
--Joseph Randle
Don't Like and Probably Won't Change
Andre Ellington
Christine Michael
Jawon Jamison
Jonathan Franklin
Kenjon Barner
Le'Veon Bell
Michael Dyer
Rex Burkhead
Stefphon Jefferson
Theo Riddick
Zac Stacy
Clean Profile
--Eddie Lacy (hands down my top pick today)
Like, But Obvious Questions
--Marcus Lattimore (need more info on the injury)
--Knile Davis (need more info on the injuries)
--Cameron Marshall (2nd tier talent, scouts don't seem to care for him)
--Spencer Ware (2nd tier talent, seemingly off the radar right now)
Wait and See Combine Results
--Montee Ball
--Giovani Bernard
--Stepfan Taylor
--Ray Graham
Don't Like, but Could be Surprised
--Mike Gillislee
--Joseph Randle
Don't Like and Probably Won't Change
Andre Ellington
Christine Michael
Jawon Jamison
Jonathan Franklin
Kenjon Barner
Le'Veon Bell
Michael Dyer
Rex Burkhead
Stefphon Jefferson
Theo Riddick
Zac Stacy
EBF
Footballguy
ZWK
Footballguy
Here are my RB rankings at this point, based on what I've seen on video, plus objective information like height, weight, and injury history. This is for fantasy, so upside is weighted heavily - it's similar to ranking players based on how likely they are to make the Pro Bowl. I've tried to ignore other people's opinions and base these rankings on my own independent analysis, even though I do give other people's evaluations a lot of weight in my actual dynasty drafts.Tier 1:Eddie LacyGiovani BernardJohnathan FranklinMarcus LattimoreTier 2:Christine MichaelKenjon BarnerMontee BallMike GillisleeKnile DavisTier 3:Ray GrahamAndre EllingtonZac StacyLe'Veon BellDJ HarperTier 4:Joseph RandleStepfan TaylorKerwynn WilliamsRex BurkheadAnd these are my main impressions which are the basis for the rankings. Most of them were based on 3 games worth of play, and some of them will change over the coming months (based on watching more video, considering other people's evaluations, getting combine numbers, etc.).Tier 1: Lacy, Bernard, and Franklin stood out for being hard to tackle, Lacy primarily with power and Gio & Franklin with a mix of skills that make them elusive. All three seem like relatively balanced, complete backs - especially Gio, who was heavily involved as a receiver (with Lacy I might have to add the qualifier "for his size"). Their speed/burst is pretty good but not elite. That's more of a concern for the smaller backs (I'll be paying a lot of attention to their combine numbers); Lacy had the explosiveness he needed to break tackles and might even deserve his own tier at the top. Lattimore had more speed and no questions about his size. His injury brings him down to the bottom of the tier but no further (he still might be the second most likely to make the Pro Bowl, after Lacy).Tier 2: Michael, Ball, and Gillislee all look the part of a decent NFL back (including pretty good size & speed), and seem like relatively complete players, but don't stand out as having any elite skills. Michael & Gillislee have more speed, Ball has more power but still shows some burst through the hole. Barner & Davis are high-risk, high-upside guys. Barner is a relatively one-dimensional undersized speed back, but he's really fast (and very fast RBs have a good success rate). Knile Davis 2010 had speed and looked like a dangerous downhill runner as soon as he had a crease; the 2012 version danced around too much so that even when he made the first guy miss the pursuit would get to him. He'll need to return to his 2010 form, and make additional improvements (like ball security).Tier 3: Graham, Ellington, Stacy, and Harper are all undersized guys who have shown some skill, Graham (2011 version) and Stacy with more shiftiness and Ellington & Harper with more speed. Graham (2011) broke a lot of tackles, but he's listed at 192 lbs. and doesn't have great speed, which raises concerns about how well his game will translate to the NFL (Graham 2012 looked pretty bad, but gets a mulligan for his ACL recovery year). I really liked Stacy's quick feet and elusiveness
with multiple missed/broken tackles, but other than that I counted very few of them. Lacy, Bernard, and Franklin consistently got past defenders, on play after play. Taylor did not.
with multiple missed/broken tackles, but other than that I counted very few of them. Lacy, Bernard, and Franklin consistently got past defenders, on play after play. Taylor did not.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Tahj Boyd is returning.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thought of you when I saw where he slotted in. The character stuff alone would scare me off, but his Auburn stats really don't look that good to me either. Time will tell!
ZWK
Footballguy
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
How do Dyer's stats not impress you but Cameron Marshall's do? Cameron Marshall's YPC ranks among the worst in the Pac-12 the past 2 seasons. His own teammate averaged over 2 yards more per carry this season.Thought of you when I saw where he slotted in. The character stuff alone would scare me off, but his Auburn stats really don't look that good to me either. Time will tell!
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, I would think that Dyer's production would be a strong point. 1093 yards as a true freshman on 6.0 YPC. 1242 yards as a sophomore on 5.1 YPC. Pretty good numbers against mostly SEC teams. His production dropped after his first season, but I attribute a lot of that to the supporting cast. Auburn got really bad really fast after Cam left, and that includes 2011 when Dyer was basically their entire offense. I like the Spencer Ware call though. I think he is very underrated and a much better talent than his stats would suggest. He is the type that I would pick if I were running a pro team because he offers a lot of valuable skills and versatility. He can run short yardage and block well, but can also catch passes and make plays in the open field. As for Cameron Marshall, I have followed him pretty closely since his freshman season because I took him a dev draft last year. I thought he showed first round potential early in his career, but he never quite progressed as I'd hoped. I'd chalk that up to a few different variables. The first is that he's not naturally elusive or a great cutter. He just doesn't have great feet or hips and seems to lack instincts. The second (and related) factor is that he has had a lot of durability problems. I don't know that he's been 100% healthy at any point since early in 2011. He had a bum ankle last year and it seemed like similar issues plagued him all the way up until this season.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/20120814asu-football-cameron-marshall-limited-rest-of-camp.htmlFinally, ASU used more of a committee approach to get some other backs involved. I don't think guys like Mario Grice and DJ Foster have pro futures, but they were effective enough at the college level to vulture carries. Kind of like what Ware suffered through with guys like Kenny Hilliard and Michael Ford. Anyways, Marshall is a great size/speed guy and he should put up some nice stats at the combine. He's a draftable talent who should make a roster. I view him as more of a sleeper/flyer than a guy who's likely to succeed though.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thanks ZWK ... appreciate that.As for Dyer, I could be missing the boat -- but I think if you consider his time with Cam and his time without Cam you get a pretty fair approximation of what he'd do in a neutral situation.And my expectations for players aren't the same either. A 190 pound scatback has a different set of performance requirements than a 240 pound FB/HB hybrid.
Xue
Footballguy
Marshall looks overweight this year and has been pretty pedestrian as a runner.How do Dyer's stats not impress you but Cameron Marshall's do? Cameron Marshall's YPC ranks among the worst in the Pac-12 the past 2 seasons. His own teammate averaged over 2 yards more per carry this season.Thought of you when I saw where he slotted in. The character stuff alone would scare me off, but his Auburn stats really don't look that good to me either. Time will tell!
Kleck
Footballguy
Gordon > White
Faust
MVP
Manti Te'o still first-round pick despite rough BCS title game
By Daniel Jeremiah
Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network
By Daniel Jeremiah
Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network
I've posted this before, but updated it due to the end of the season. I'm not saying Lacy is better than Ingram/Richardson...but I don't think he's not in the discussion.Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.5Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Um, no. You kind of have to take the amount of carries into consideration, you can't just focus on YPC and ignore all other statistics; because then you're left making the erroneous conclusion that Eddie Lacy's 56 carry, 406 rushing yard freshman season was better than Richardson's 283 carry, 1679 rushing yard junior season, for example.
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