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What does the off season hold for Miami ?

Fisher interviewing today, doesn't excite me at all as his coaching style is much like Sparano's, play it conservitive and keep the game close and just don't lose it. Dave Toub Bears special teams guy set to interview later in the week, know nothing about him or how he is regarded as a coach.

Odds look like Moore starts 2012 as the QB given they are now drafting either 8th or 9th (coin flip pending with Carolina) or do they trade up for an RGIII ?

 
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'SwampDawg said:
What does the off season hold for Miami ?Fisher interviewing today, doesn't excite me at all as his coaching style is much like Sparano's, play it conservitive and keep the game close and just don't lose it. Dave Toub Bears special teams guy set to interview later in the week, know nothing about him or how he is regarded as a coach.Odds look like Moore starts 2012 as the QB given they are now drafting either 8th or 9th (coin flip pending with Carolina) or do they trade up for an RGIII ?
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Fisher is no dinosaur. He knows that to win now in this league, you have to put up points. Best QB he has had was McNair. The guy knows talent. he knew Young was garbage but had to play him because the owner didn't know talent. They had some top 10 O's with Fisher. Best move is to not let him leave the building without a contract signed.
 
Fisher has interviewed, Toub is interviewing today. I'm guessing they are targeting Fisher heavy as I haven't heard any other rumors lately. Rams still haven't confirmed that they are interviewing Fisher but have to think they have something lined up for this week. Looks like Fisher will be the first domino to fall for some of the coaching vacancies.

 
'SwampDawg said:
Fisher has interviewed, Toub is interviewing today. I'm guessing they are targeting Fisher heavy as I haven't heard any other rumors lately. Rams still haven't confirmed that they are interviewing Fisher but have to think they have something lined up for this week. Looks like Fisher will be the first domino to fall for some of the coaching vacancies.
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Yep, I read a report that the Dolphins were very high on him and will offer him more money than any other team. They must like him.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Huge mistake if they hire Fisher.
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I agree. I think the best long term, aggressive thinking move would be either Chudzinski or Carmichael, highly touted young OC's that have progressive offenses. Hire one and keep Nolan to run the defense Unfortunately I think they are more worried about making a splash with a "name" coach. If forced to go that route I like Billick. I guess we need to hope the Rams take Fisher but does that then make us even less attractive after being passed over for the Rams.
 
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Sensing the impending denial by Fisher it appears the Dolphins are interviewing more seriously for plan B. They interviewed Philbin over the weekend, supposedly setting up interviews with Mike Mularkey and Mike Zimmer. Uggghh!!! Philbin I don't know much about, scares me that McCarthy calls the plays and seems on the surface to run that offense and McCarthy is more of the Oline coach. That said maybe he is extremely involved in the game plan, game day scheme and designing the offense. If he is and can come over and bring Flynn and run a Green Bay like offense with Nolan running the D I could deal with it. Mularkey and Zimmer do nothing for me, to me they mean another 3 or 4 years of the same 6 to 8 win seasons with boring offense and lots of FG's. Really disappointed I haven't heard of Chudzinski or Carmichael (guess technically he can't be interviewed yet) or Jay Gruden getting interviews.

 
Fisher to Miami rumor heating up....not thrilled but with Sparano bringing down the Jets offense at least we only need to beat the Patriots.

 
Could Fisher be playing both the Dolphins and Rams for the Colts job ? Caldwell didn't get a great reassurance yesterday when they announced the new GM, only that the coaching would be reviewed by Irsay and the GM.

 
Woo Hoo...Fisher is going to the Rams, now let's hope Miami doesn't panic and hire Zimmer or the Bears special teams guy and waits until the Saints are eliminated and interview Carmicheal Jr.

 
Sounds like they are down to 3 candidates, all three to interview again with Ross in NY in the next few days. McCoy, Philbin, or Bowles. Ugly.

Philbin you could make a case for if he has a fair amount inputut on the Packers game plan and scheme even if he doesn't call the plays. Plus I think he has the best shot of putting together a fairly talented staff. Maybe keep Bowles to run the defense and bring in Clements as the OC.

Bowles, well not really sure what changes if you promote him, maybe a short term answer at best.

Mgee-sh geesh, I think I might finally have to turn in my aqua and orange and find another team to root for. When your claim to fame is you managed to run a college offense and win a few games with Tebow I don't have a lot of hope in your ability to find and develop the next franchise QB.

 
'SwampDawg said:
Sounds like they are down to 3 candidates, all three to interview again with Ross in NY in the next few days. McCoy, Philbin, or Bowles. Ugly.Philbin you could make a case for if he has a fair amount inputut on the Packers game plan and scheme even if he doesn't call the plays. Plus I think he has the best shot of putting together a fairly talented staff. Maybe keep Bowles to run the defense and bring in Clements as the OC.Bowles, well not really sure what changes if you promote him, maybe a short term answer at best.Mgee-sh geesh, I think I might finally have to turn in my aqua and orange and find another team to root for. When your claim to fame is you managed to run a college offense and win a few games with Tebow I don't have a lot of hope in your ability to find and develop the next franchise QB.
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Hey SD,Philbin is the clear front runner. I believe with the tragedy in Green Bay last week that Ross and others were trying to be as understanding as possible and not put pressure on him, allow him and his family to grieve, and now a 2nd interview so he can really get into the game plan for the next 3-4 years. His wife is very open about wanting to move to South Florida so I believe he is the guy unless another candidate emerges. I like Bowles and would not mind if at this point they just hired him for a short 2 or 3 year contract and see what he can do. The team played hard for him and I thought he had a very interesting presence on the sideline in those games. He was calm but knew when to step in and start leading. Team went 6-3 the 2nd half of the season so I am almost sure if Moore had been the QB from day 1 and he had an entire off season to work with us...8 wins for sure last year, maybe 9 or 10. Miami unfortunately is not a premier franchise now despite a premier area down here in South Florida. I think it has to do with the ownership and management. Not much we as fans can do about it except not show up.
 
'SwampDawg said:
Woo Hoo...Fisher is going to the Rams, now let's hope Miami doesn't panic and hire Zimmer or the Bears special teams guy and waits until the Saints are eliminated and interview Carmicheal Jr.
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Dave Toub just re-signed for 2 years at 1 million per season. I can tell you this though, he is ready to be a Head Coach and deserves it. He has had the best special teams unit for years. It's not just Devin Hester, Toub has had a ST's player from his unit make the pro bowl 8 times. 22 return TD's during his tenure with 6 different players.I realize he may not look the most enticing, but he can coach. Super Bowl TD and also was the brains behind this

 
'SwampDawg said:
Sounds like they are down to 3 candidates, all three to interview again with Ross in NY in the next few days. McCoy, Philbin, or Bowles. Ugly.Philbin you could make a case for if he has a fair amount inputut on the Packers game plan and scheme even if he doesn't call the plays. Plus I think he has the best shot of putting together a fairly talented staff. Maybe keep Bowles to run the defense and bring in Clements as the OC.Bowles, well not really sure what changes if you promote him, maybe a short term answer at best.Mgee-sh geesh, I think I might finally have to turn in my aqua and orange and find another team to root for. When your claim to fame is you managed to run a college offense and win a few games with Tebow I don't have a lot of hope in your ability to find and develop the next franchise QB.
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It's sounding like Mike McCoy will be named their new HC today. Wonder if they'll keep Bowles as the DC and Daboll as the OC?

Dunno what to think? Don't know much about the guy.

Feels like they'll be going through this exercise again 3 years from now - along with a new GM search next time.

 
One of the most disappointing hires ever IMO if it is McCoy. I hope I am wrong but I am thinking the same way Smackdown, like this will be another 3 years of 6 win seasons then we start this process all over again. I'm just not impressed with the guys resume and I think he'll have a very hard time putting together a top notch staff which is almost as important.

 
From Yahoo...

"The Miami Dolphins are on the verge of making a final decision on who will be the head coach next season. The Miami Herald has it that team owner Stephen Ross and GM Jeff Ireland will choose between Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy and Green Bay Packersoffensive coordinator Joe Philbin. Dolphins interim coach Todd Bowles is a backup possibility, the paper notes.

Philbin got a second interview with the Fins on Wednesday and then sat in the interview chair of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Thursday, the Herald reports, while McCoy spoke with the Dolphins Thursday and felt so good about his chances that he removed his name from the list of folks interviewing for the head coaching job with the Oakland Raiders.

McCoy "reportedly has the support of Ireland, whose opinions carry significant weight with Ross," the Herald reports. However, the word is that it is a very close decision between McCoy and Philbin."

 
Armando Salguero tweeted this about 4 hours ago:

NFL Insider Danny More says on the show that Joe Philbin is eliminated as HC candidate. ( @armandosalguero live at http://ustre.am/DV9o)

Armando is usually pretty spot on with his insider Dolphins news. Looks like we get the guy who ran the college offense. You never know, but on the surface this looks like a shot-in-the-dark hire. I had never heard of this guy before Tebow became a starter. I was pulling for Philbin. Many years of running a top-tier offense, and ties to the best free agent QB on the market. Hopefully Armando is getting bad info here from Danny More.

 
It's really unbelievable. Team needs a QB and could be in the market for Flynn, why not hire the OC from that team increasing your chances of landing him? What is this team thinking?

Have they learned nothing? They tried for Harbaugh and were rebuked, Fisher passed, maybe look in the mirror and realize just how dire the situation is...Mike McCoy??? Season tickets were already going to be on the decline but two years in a row you settle for the chump hire.

What reason is there to support this garbage?

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It's really unbelievable. Team needs a QB and could be in the market for Flynn, why not hire the OC from that team increasing your chances of landing him? What is this team thinking? Have they learned nothing? They tried for Harbaugh and were rebuked, Fisher passed, maybe look in the mirror and realize just how dire the situation is...Mike McCoy??? Season tickets were already going to be on the decline but two years in a row you settle for the chump hire. What reason is there to support this garbage?
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Who knows? Maybe they can trade for Tebow! :X :wall: :bag:
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It's really unbelievable. Team needs a QB and could be in the market for Flynn, why not hire the OC from that team increasing your chances of landing him? What is this team thinking? Have they learned nothing? They tried for Harbaugh and were rebuked, Fisher passed, maybe look in the mirror and realize just how dire the situation is...Mike McCoy??? Season tickets were already going to be on the decline but two years in a row you settle for the chump hire. What reason is there to support this garbage?
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All I can say is thank god I've got my fantasy football rooting interest, Sunday Ticket and not being in Florida I can pretty easily just pay minor attention until the next coach search if needed. I've been a fan since the mid 70's when we would vacation at a family friends house in Miami and I adopted them as my team...never since that time have I felt this deflated by the team.
 
OK, this could work out for us if Philbin can get Flynn to sign as a free agent and then install the West Coast offense. We have the weather for a passing offense, We already have 2 playmakers in Bush and Marshall and a Pro Bowl LT so Flynn won't get killed from the blind side. Need a TE, a 2nd WR and some help to the right side of the OL. Our offense has been boring since Marino retired. At least we should be more exciting.

 
Wonder if they'll keep Bowles as the DC? Time to raid the Packers for Clements, Flynn, etc.

Hopefully a step in the right direction.

 
I like this a lot more than hiring McCoy. The fact Philbin comes from a winning organization and can try to instill that same culture here is a positive. I'm also happy that he's developed a good offence and has some pieces in place already to do the same here. I think this means we are likely look at an athletic TE in the draft, I can't remember the time that we had a TE that can serve as an offensive weapon. Coby Fleener in the 2nd round would be amazing! Fasano is not that guy. After working with Finley in Green Bay I'd like to hope that we would catch up with the rest of the league and realize that the position plays a much more important part of the offence than it used to. Hopefully this move also puts us in a good position to bring in Matt Flynn.

Philbin + Flynn + Reiff + Fleener = a vastly improved offence.

 
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OK, this could work out for us if Philbin can get Flynn to sign as a free agent and then install the West Coast offense. We have the weather for a passing offense, We already have 2 playmakers in Bush and Marshall and a Pro Bowl LT so Flynn won't get killed from the blind side. Need a TE, a 2nd WR and some help to the right side of the OL. Our offense has been boring since Marino retired. At least we should be more exciting.
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dont think that Gates could bethe WR2?
 
'mike9289 said:
OK, this could work out for us if Philbin can get Flynn to sign as a free agent and then install the West Coast offense. We have the weather for a passing offense, We already have 2 playmakers in Bush and Marshall and a Pro Bowl LT so Flynn won't get killed from the blind side. Need a TE, a 2nd WR and some help to the right side of the OL. Our offense has been boring since Marino retired. At least we should be more exciting.
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Iirc there was talk in the other Dolphins thread about Clay becoming a TE. Is that not happening or would he not be a solid guy?
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
'mike9289 said:
OK, this could work out for us if Philbin can get Flynn to sign as a free agent and then install the West Coast offense. We have the weather for a passing offense, We already have 2 playmakers in Bush and Marshall and a Pro Bowl LT so Flynn won't get killed from the blind side. Need a TE, a 2nd WR and some help to the right side of the OL. Our offense has been boring since Marino retired. At least we should be more exciting.
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Iirc there was talk in the other Dolphins thread about Clay becoming a TE. Is that not happening or would he not be a solid guy?
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Don't think he would be a west coast type TE. Today's TEs are more receiver than blocker.
 
I don't know that he is the answer to our prayers but I'm fine with grabbing an up and coming OC with the idea that maybe he can persuade Matt Flynn to sign here and solve a couple problems for the Phins. If he doesn't pan out, wash rinse repeat in 2-3 years but he was the best choice of anyone including Fisher IMO of the candidates they interviewed.

 
Im probably in the minority here but I think Matt Flynn has Matt Cassel like downside - looks good in a great situation and will look average when playing for a different team under different circumstances. Im happy with the Philbin hire, and like what he brings to the team, but I hope we look to trade up to get Luck or RGIII rather than overpay for Flynn.

 
'Native said:
Im probably in the minority here but I think Matt Flynn has Matt Cassel like downside - looks good in a great situation and will look average when playing for a different team under different circumstances. Im happy with the Philbin hire, and like what he brings to the team, but I hope we look to trade up to get Luck or RGIII rather than overpay for Flynn.
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I disagree only because of the ridiculous price we would have to pay to get Luck or RG3. Rather have Flynn for no picks. He knows Philbin's offense already. He will be prepared to start on the day he is signed. I know the Green Bay offense is a machine, but Flynn IMO has looked better in each of his 2 starts than Cassel ever looked in any of his. In fact, Flynn's last start is one of the best QB performances of the year from any QB.I would start to get a little excited if we landed Flynn right now. Then we can use that early first rounder to fill any one of our many other needs. Flynn with Marshall, Bess, and Bush presents some nice weapons for a WCO. This could get interesting all of a sudden.
 
Wow what a great surprise this morning. I'm actually excited, seems like Philbin should finally bring an exciting offense and has a chance to attract some good assistants. I actually think we get a QB this year be it a free agent Flynn, move up in the draft or get Manning should he be released.

 
'ChuckLiddell said:
'Native said:
Im probably in the minority here but I think Matt Flynn has Matt Cassel like downside - looks good in a great situation and will look average when playing for a different team under different circumstances. Im happy with the Philbin hire, and like what he brings to the team, but I hope we look to trade up to get Luck or RGIII rather than overpay for Flynn.
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I disagree only because of the ridiculous price we would have to pay to get Luck or RG3. Rather have Flynn for no picks. He knows Philbin's offense already. He will be prepared to start on the day he is signed. I know the Green Bay offense is a machine, but Flynn IMO has looked better in each of his 2 starts than Cassel ever looked in any of his. In fact, Flynn's last start is one of the best QB performances of the year from any QB.

I would start to get a little excited if we landed Flynn right now. Then we can use that early first rounder to fill any one of our many other needs. Flynn with Marshall, Bess, and Bush presents some nice weapons for a WCO. This could get interesting all of a sudden.
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I want to remind you of some of the HUGE games Cassel has in New England towards the end of the 2008 season when he started for Nww England in place of BradyWeek 11: 30 of 51 400 yds, 3 TDs vs the Jets

Week 12: 30 of 43, 415 Yds, 4 TD's vs Miami

Week 15: 18 of 30, 217 yds, 4 TD's vs Oakland

Week 16: 20 of 36, 345 yds, 3 TD's vs Arizona

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/gamelogs?season=2008

If nothing else, its an interesting comparison, no?

 
'Native said:
'ChuckLiddell said:
'Native said:
Im probably in the minority here but I think Matt Flynn has Matt Cassel like downside - looks good in a great situation and will look average when playing for a different team under different circumstances. Im happy with the Philbin hire, and like what he brings to the team, but I hope we look to trade up to get Luck or RGIII rather than overpay for Flynn.
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I disagree only because of the ridiculous price we would have to pay to get Luck or RG3. Rather have Flynn for no picks. He knows Philbin's offense already. He will be prepared to start on the day he is signed. I know the Green Bay offense is a machine, but Flynn IMO has looked better in each of his 2 starts than Cassel ever looked in any of his. In fact, Flynn's last start is one of the best QB performances of the year from any QB.

I would start to get a little excited if we landed Flynn right now. Then we can use that early first rounder to fill any one of our many other needs. Flynn with Marshall, Bess, and Bush presents some nice weapons for a WCO. This could get interesting all of a sudden.
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I want to remind you of some of the HUGE games Cassel has in New England towards the end of the 2008 season when he started for Nww England in place of BradyWeek 11: 30 of 51 400 yds, 3 TDs vs the Jets

Week 12: 30 of 43, 415 Yds, 4 TD's vs Miami

Week 15: 18 of 30, 217 yds, 4 TD's vs Oakland

Week 16: 20 of 36, 345 yds, 3 TD's vs Arizona

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/gamelogs?season=2008

If nothing else, its an interesting comparison, no?
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To my point about Flynn's last start, 31-44, 480 yards and 6 TDs is still significantly better than all of those games in every category. I understand the ludicrously small sample size, but that was one of the finest QB performances I have ever seen. Flynn has definitely made a major impression given his very limited opportunity. Putting him right back into the same offensive scheme, with some nice talent around him is a nice mix IMO. Miami certainly does not have Green Bay's offensive weapons, but they do have some nice pieces. If we get Flynn, I will feel pretty good about our direction. Of course, those feelings could certainly change fast, but I havent felt them in a long, long time.
 
'ChuckLiddell said:
'Native said:
'ChuckLiddell said:
'Native said:
Im probably in the minority here but I think Matt Flynn has Matt Cassel like downside - looks good in a great situation and will look average when playing for a different team under different circumstances. Im happy with the Philbin hire, and like what he brings to the team, but I hope we look to trade up to get Luck or RGIII rather than overpay for Flynn.
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I disagree only because of the ridiculous price we would have to pay to get Luck or RG3. Rather have Flynn for no picks. He knows Philbin's offense already. He will be prepared to start on the day he is signed. I know the Green Bay offense is a machine, but Flynn IMO has looked better in each of his 2 starts than Cassel ever looked in any of his. In fact, Flynn's last start is one of the best QB performances of the year from any QB.

I would start to get a little excited if we landed Flynn right now. Then we can use that early first rounder to fill any one of our many other needs. Flynn with Marshall, Bess, and Bush presents some nice weapons for a WCO. This could get interesting all of a sudden.
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I want to remind you of some of the HUGE games Cassel has in New England towards the end of the 2008 season when he started for Nww England in place of BradyWeek 11: 30 of 51 400 yds, 3 TDs vs the Jets

Week 12: 30 of 43, 415 Yds, 4 TD's vs Miami

Week 15: 18 of 30, 217 yds, 4 TD's vs Oakland

Week 16: 20 of 36, 345 yds, 3 TD's vs Arizona

http://www.nfl.com/p...ogs?season=2008

If nothing else, its an interesting comparison, no?
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To my point about Flynn's last start, 31-44, 480 yards and 6 TDs is still significantly better than all of those games in every category. I understand the ludicrously small sample size, but that was one of the finest QB performances I have ever seen. Flynn has definitely made a major impression given his very limited opportunity. Putting him right back into the same offensive scheme, with some nice talent around him is a nice mix IMO. Miami certainly does not have Green Bay's offensive weapons, but they do have some nice pieces. If we get Flynn, I will feel pretty good about our direction. Of course, those feelings could certainly change fast, but I havent felt them in a long, long time.
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Maybe the Phins can do something special with the 1st round pick for once. If they get Flynn, then maybe they go for one or two new weapons on offense in the early 1st and 2nd rounds. The TE from Clemson might be on the board in the 2nd.

Several mocks have the Phins going OT/OG in the 1st and 2nd, I really hope they don't do that. I would like to see them improve the line but via free agency and upgrade the RT spot. Actually, I would like to see if maybe Philbin can kick Vernon Carey back out to RT and get him back to where he was a few years ago. He is older but he's not ancient.

I would like to turn the TV on soon and feel like the Phins at least have a chance to win a game even if the defense doesn't play lights out. Serious upgrades needed at all the skill positions outside of Marshall IMO.

 
As a Packer fan :kicksrock:

Good luck to Coach Philbin. You will be missed by the Packer community.

My link

McCarthy thrilled that Philbin is getting his due

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel

Jan. 20, 2012

Green Bay - Got a chance to talk briefly with Packers coach Mike McCarthy about offensive coordinator Joe Philbin being named the Miami Dolphins head coach.

He has been in Philbin's corner the whole time.

"I'm very excited for Joe and Diane," McCarthy said. "I was able to see them briefly and everyone was very excited. He worked hard for this opportunity."

McCarthy said the Packers will be losing someone who had a great rapport with the players and other coaches. He said that ability will serve him well as a head coach in the NFL.

He said he thinks the Miami situation is a good one.

"I think Joe has coached a long time," McCarthy said. "He brings a lot to the table. You've got to be an excellent communicator in today's NFL, you have to be able to relate to all your people.

"You can talk about Joe's knowledge and experience - his resume speaks for itself. But he's great with communication. He knows how to communicate with people."

McCarthy said he had anticipated Philbin's hiring and will begin exploring options to fill the offensive coordinator position. He would not say whether he and Philbin have an agreement on which, if any, assistants Philbin could take with him.

"As a staff, we've prepared for it as far as expectations of Joe getting this opportunity," McCarthy said. "Now it's an opportunity for others on the staff to move forward."

McCarthy said it's logical to think he'll consider a replacement from his own staff, but he didn't rule out bringing in someone from outside. He said other people on his staff may have opportunities to move.

"Your first intent is to look within," he said. "That's where you start. But I don't want to talk about that now. This is Joe's moment. He deserves all the attention.

"You don't replace people like Joe. I'm going to miss him personally a whole lot, forget as a professional. He's someone I enjoy being around. He's a great guy. This is a very good opportunity for him."
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Seems to be some steam to the rumors that Miami will be looking long and hard at Manning if the Colts release him.

 
'SwampDawg said:
Seems to be some steam to the rumors that Miami will be looking long and hard at Manning if the Colts release him.
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Terrible move if they do this. Would much rather sign Flynn. Manning is a band aid right now...he's 35/36 coming off a major neck injury, his best days are behind him, end of story. Miami needs a young QB either thru the draft or one that has been carrying a clipboard for the last 4 years.
 
Disagree, IF Peyton is healthy. You get Manning, you have instant credibility as a contender. Good chance that if he were healthy this season that the otherwise 1-15 Colts go to the playoffs. No way of knowing for sure, but history would suggest it. If we could get 3 good years out of him, and bring our franchise back to respectability, while at some point drafting and grooming his replacement, that seems like a great direction to move in.

You get Manning, and all of a sudden South Beach looks like a nice destination for free agents again. How sure are we that the combo of Brian Hartline and Devonne Bess is not as good as Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie? We would find out pretty quickly. I am pretty confident that Brandon Marshall is in Reggie Wayne's league from a talent standpoint. Possibly even a better player. Dallas Clark was no better than Anthony Fasano without Manning. Manning could make us an offensive threat for the first time since the early 90's.

I am on record as loving the idea of bringing in Matt Flynn, so if we went in that direction I would be good with that too, but if (big if) Manning is healthy and we have a chance to sign him, I think we have to roll the dice on bringing in one of the best QBs of all time and going all-in for the next 3 years.

Tell me you would not be on edge waiting for 2012 to start with more optimism than you have felt in 2 decades if 18 was under center for us in September.

 
'ChuckLiddell said:
Disagree, IF Peyton is healthy. You get Manning, you have instant credibility as a contender. Good chance that if he were healthy this season that the otherwise 1-15 Colts go to the playoffs. No way of knowing for sure, but history would suggest it. If we could get 3 good years out of him, and bring our franchise back to respectability, while at some point drafting and grooming his replacement, that seems like a great direction to move in.

You get Manning, and all of a sudden South Beach looks like a nice destination for free agents again. How sure are we that the combo of Brian Hartline and Devonne Bess is not as good as Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie? We would find out pretty quickly. I am pretty confident that Brandon Marshall is in Reggie Wayne's league from a talent standpoint. Possibly even a better player. Dallas Clark was no better than Anthony Fasano without Manning. Manning could make us an offensive threat for the first time since the early 90's.

I am on record as loving the idea of bringing in Matt Flynn, so if we went in that direction I would be good with that too, but if (big if) Manning is healthy and we have a chance to sign him, I think we have to roll the dice on bringing in one of the best QBs of all time and going all-in for the next 3 years.

Tell me you would not be on edge waiting for 2012 to start with more optimism than you have felt in 2 decades if 18 was under center for us in September.
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:goodposting: Toatally agree. I also like the idea of bringing in Flynn, but I LOVE the idea of having a healthy Peyton for 3 or 4 years, ESPECIALLY if it is as a free agent/not costing us a lot of draft picks. No brainer, IMO.

 
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'Man In The Box said:
'ChuckLiddell said:
Disagree, IF Peyton is healthy. You get Manning, you have instant credibility as a contender. Good chance that if he were healthy this season that the otherwise 1-15 Colts go to the playoffs. No way of knowing for sure, but history would suggest it. If we could get 3 good years out of him, and bring our franchise back to respectability, while at some point drafting and grooming his replacement, that seems like a great direction to move in.

You get Manning, and all of a sudden South Beach looks like a nice destination for free agents again. How sure are we that the combo of Brian Hartline and Devonne Bess is not as good as Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie? We would find out pretty quickly. I am pretty confident that Brandon Marshall is in Reggie Wayne's league from a talent standpoint. Possibly even a better player. Dallas Clark was no better than Anthony Fasano without Manning. Manning could make us an offensive threat for the first time since the early 90's.

I am on record as loving the idea of bringing in Matt Flynn, so if we went in that direction I would be good with that too, but if (big if) Manning is healthy and we have a chance to sign him, I think we have to roll the dice on bringing in one of the best QBs of all time and going all-in for the next 3 years.

Tell me you would not be on edge waiting for 2012 to start with more optimism than you have felt in 2 decades if 18 was under center for us in September.
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:goodposting: Toatally agree. I also like the idea of bringing in Flynn, but I LOVE the idea of having a healthy Peyton for 3 or 4 years, ESPECIALLY if it is as a free agent/not costing us a lot of draft picks. No brainer, IMO.
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Peyton if he is back from injury might have 1-2 seasons left...How many 38 year old QBs have had success in the NFL?
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'Man In The Box said:
'ChuckLiddell said:
Disagree, IF Peyton is healthy. You get Manning, you have instant credibility as a contender. Good chance that if he were healthy this season that the otherwise 1-15 Colts go to the playoffs. No way of knowing for sure, but history would suggest it. If we could get 3 good years out of him, and bring our franchise back to respectability, while at some point drafting and grooming his replacement, that seems like a great direction to move in.

You get Manning, and all of a sudden South Beach looks like a nice destination for free agents again. How sure are we that the combo of Brian Hartline and Devonne Bess is not as good as Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie? We would find out pretty quickly. I am pretty confident that Brandon Marshall is in Reggie Wayne's league from a talent standpoint. Possibly even a better player. Dallas Clark was no better than Anthony Fasano without Manning. Manning could make us an offensive threat for the first time since the early 90's.

I am on record as loving the idea of bringing in Matt Flynn, so if we went in that direction I would be good with that too, but if (big if) Manning is healthy and we have a chance to sign him, I think we have to roll the dice on bringing in one of the best QBs of all time and going all-in for the next 3 years.

Tell me you would not be on edge waiting for 2012 to start with more optimism than you have felt in 2 decades if 18 was under center for us in September.
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:goodposting: Toatally agree. I also like the idea of bringing in Flynn, but I LOVE the idea of having a healthy Peyton for 3 or 4 years, ESPECIALLY if it is as a free agent/not costing us a lot of draft picks. No brainer, IMO.
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Peyton if he is back from injury might have 1-2 seasons left...How many 38 year old QBs have had success in the NFL?
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Thats a good point. I can really only think of Favre and Elway (37/38?) off the top of my head. I know Montana was still starting at around that age, but not at an elite level. Steve Young was up there. So was Rich Gannon, who actually hit his peak at around 36 or 37.ETA - Our very own Earl Morrall was the NFL Comeback POY in 1972 at the ripe age of 38.

 
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