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#1 ThaPenguin

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:18 AM

Here's where we sit today. I will try to keep as updated as possible. These were the most up to date free agents/rosters/cap numbers I could find with admittedly little looking, so if someone has an updated list, I will gladly take a link.

UFA:
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
QB Dennis Dixon
DE Aaron Smith (retired)
WR Jerricho Crotchery (signed)
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
NT Chris Hoke (retired)
CB Bill Gay (signed with Arizona)
P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

RFA:
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
G/T Ramon Foster
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights:
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
1. QB Ben Roethlisberger ($16.9 mil)
2. LB LaMarr Woodley ($11.5 mil)
3. S Troy Polamalu ($11.3 mil)
4. LB Lawrence Timmons ($9.1 mil)
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
7. CB Ike Taylor ($7.6 mil)
8. TE Heath Miller ($7.1 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil) (retired)
12. DE Brett Keisel ($4.5 mil)
13. S Ryan Clark ($4.3 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil) (cut)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil) (cut)
18. C Maurkice Pouncey ($2.2 mil)
19. RB Rashard Mendenhall ($2.1 mil)
20. DE Ziggy Hood ($1.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)
23. DE Cameron Heyward ($1.5 mil)
24. WR Arnaz Battle ($1.4 mil) (cut)
25. LS Greg Warren ($925k)
26. LB Jason Worilds ($895k)
27. WR Emmanuel Sanders ($735k)
28. T Marcus Gilbert ($734k)
29. CB Curtis Brown ($595k)
30. T Chris Scott ($587k)
31. LB Stevenson Sylvester ($579k)
32. RB Jonathan Dwyer ($567k)
33. WR Antonio Brown ($564k) :shock:
34. CB Cortez Allen ($563k)
35. LB Chris Carter ($506k)
36. DE Al Woods ($490k)
37. RB Baron Batch ($477k)
38. TE Weslye Saunders ($477k)
39. RB Chad Spann ($465k)
40. LB Mortty Ivy ($465k)
41. S Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith ($465k)
42. RB John Clay ($465k)

DEAD MONEY:
T Max Starks ($2 mil)
WR Antwaan Randle El ($300k)
G Keith Williams ($68k)
CB Crezdon Butler ($39k)
RB John Clay and LB Mario Harvey ($3k)
DT Anthony Gray ($2.6k)
WR Terrance McCrae and T Trevis Turner ($2k)
CB Niles Brinkley ($1.7k)
TE Miguel Chavis ($1.3k)
S Brett Greenwood and TE Vaughn Charlton ($1k)
P Aaron Bates, WR Adam Mims, WR Armand Robinson, WB Chris Dieker, C Colin Miller, LS Derek Chard, WR Eric Greenwood, LB Erik Clanton, T Josh Harrison, and DE Ty Boyle ($668)
LB Bruce Davis and WR Limas Sweed ($0)


2012 Draft Picks
1st Round - 24th Pick (24th Overall) - David DeCastro, G, Stanford
2nd Round - 24th Pick (56th Overall) - Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
3rd Round - 23rd Pick (86th Overall) - Sean Spence, OLB, Tha U
4th round - 14th Pick (109th Overall) - (via trade) Alameda Ta'amu
4th Round - 24th Pick (119th Overall) - (traded)
5th Round - 24th Pick (159th Overall) - Chris Rainey, RB, Florida
6th Round - 24th Pick (193th Overall) - (traded)
7th Round - 24th Pick (231st Overall) - Toney Clemons, WR, Colorado
7th Round - 33rd Pick (240th Overall) - David Paulson, TE, Oregon
7th Round - 39th Pick (246th Overall) - Terrance Frederick, CB, Texas Arts and Music
7th Round - 41st Pick (248th Overall) - Kelvin Beachum, G, SMU


2012 Schedule
1. at Denver, Sunday, September 9th, 8:20 PM (NBC)
2. New York Jets, Sunday, September 16th, 4:15 PM (CBS)
3. at Oakland, Sunday, September 23rd, 4:15 PM (CBS)
4. BYE
5. Philadelphia, Sunday, October 7th, 1 PM (FOX)
6. at Tennessee, Thursday, October 11th, 8:20 PM (NFL)
7. at Cincinnati, Sunday, October 21st, 8:20 PM (NBC)
8. Washington, Sunday, October 28th, 1 PM (FOX)
9. at New York Giants, Sunday, November 4th, 4:15 PM (CBS)
10. Kansas City, Monday, November 12th, 8:30 PM (ESPN)
11. Baltimore, Sunday, November 18th, 8:20 PM (NBC)
12. at Cleveland, Sunday, November 25th, 1 PM (CBS)
13. at Baltimore, Sunday, December 2nd, 4:15 PM (CBS)
14. San Diego, Sunday, December 9th, 1 PM (CBS)
15. at Dallas, Sunday, December 16th, 4:15 PM (CBS)
16. Cincinnati, Sunday, December 23rd, 1 PM (CBS)
17. Cleveland, Sunday, December 30th, 1 PM (CBS)

Edited by ThaPenguin, 26 December 2012 - 10:40 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:48 AM

Tomlin: Keisel, Hampton and Starks candidates for surgery
Monday, January 09, 2012
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said today at his season-ending news conference that nose tackle Casey Hampton and offensive tackle Max Starks have ACL injuries and defensive lineman Brett Keisel has a severe groin injury. All three are being evaluated today by team doctors and are potential candidates for surgery.

Tomlin also said surgery is a possibility for Pro Bowl center Maurkice Pouncey, who did not play in the final game of the season for the second year in a row because of a high ankle sprain.

Tomlin also provided some more insight into the defensive concept on the final play of the game -- an 80-yard pass from Tim Tebow to Demaryius Thomas for the game-winning touchdown on the first play of the overtime period.

Tomlin said it was an inverted zone coverage where the safeties were close to the line of scrimmage for run support. He declined to say what safety Ryan Mundy's responsibilities were on the play.

Tomlin said it is not out of the ordinary for the Steelers to employ such a defense in that situation. He said they have done it many times when facing run-oriented quarterbacks.

Tomlin also said that he would "probably" attack the Denver offense in the same way if he had to do it over again. He explained that defending Tebow and the potential of his running limits what a defense can do in a planned scheme.

Tomlin was asked if he expected offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau back next season.

He acknowledged the possibility for change, but said "we're going to work to maintain continuity as we always do."


Ray Fittipaldo: rfittipaldo@post-gazette.com and on Twitter @rayfitt1.


First published on January 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm


Read more: http://www.post-gaze...m#ixzz1izKFnFXS


Edited by Frenchy Fuqua, 09 January 2012 - 10:48 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:34 AM

P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right? Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil) 11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil) 14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil) 15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil) 16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil) 17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)



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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?

:yes: Just referencing the Jeff Reed debacle.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right? Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil) 11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil) 14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil) 15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil) 16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil) 17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall. Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall. I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:57 AM

11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil) 14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil) 16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil) 17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

These guys are the most obvious cuts
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:59 AM



P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 202 yds, 1 TD) is beyond lunacy

Edited by The Hank, 09 January 2012 - 12:04 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:02 PM



P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

Absolutely. I completely missed Kemoeatu. He is definitely gone so now we're saving $30 million in cap space :thumbup:

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:03 PM




P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

Absolutely. I completely missed Kemoeatu. He is definitely gone so now we're saving $30 million in cap space :thumbup:

But he's a pro-bowler!
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:03 PM




P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 200 yds, 2 TDs) is beyond lunacy

I don't think they'll cut Mendenhall either.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:06 PM

I would love for them to bring Cotchery back if the price is right.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:08 PM

I would love for them to bring Cotchery back if the price is right.

:goodposting: Agreed, aside from the bad drop yesterday (on 3rd down), he was pretty much $ on all of his other receptions/targets
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:09 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:11 PM

I would love for them to bring Cotchery back if the price is right.

:goodposting: Agreed, aside from the bad drop yesterday (on 3rd down), he was pretty much $ on all of his other receptions/targets

I thought I read somewhere that Cotchery still thinks he should be starting somewhere and may want to explore other options. But I agree, I'd love to see him back.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:33 PM





P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 200 yds, 2 TDs) is beyond lunacy

I don't think they'll cut Mendenhall either.

They got him on the cheap, and assuming he comes back 100%, he will hopefully be going all superbeast in his contract year. Then you franchise him, then see ya laterz.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:39 PM

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:43 PM

Thinking about the "O" line and Big Ben. If he does ever get some reliable blockers in front of him, would we really want to see him become a pocket passer, seeing how well he can improvise and play outside the pocket? We have seen the past few games when he was kind of forced to be a pocket passer due to his ankle, and color me unimpressed. Maybe he had trouble throwing because he couldn't plant his foot well. I'm not sure, but it seems like the offense moves better when he is running for his life.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:43 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:45 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

We ALL know thats not the Steeler way, but it could benefit them, especially if they get all this cap space with some vets possibly retiring.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:45 PM

Thinking about the "O" line and Big Ben. If he does ever get some reliable blockers in front of him, would we really want to see him become a pocket passer, seeing how well he can improvise and play outside the pocket? We have seen the past few games when he was kind of forced to be a pocket passer due to his ankle, and color me unimpressed. Maybe he had trouble throwing because he couldn't plant his foot well. I'm not sure, but it seems like the offense moves better when he is running for his life.

Ben, like other elite QB's in the game, can pick apart a defense when given time. Ben's escapability is very good, but opens him up to getting drilled (happened in the Browns game when he injured his ankle)
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:46 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

We ALL know thats not the Steeler way, but it could benefit them, especially if they get all this cap space with some vets possibly retiring.

Not disagreeing with you, just saying that they'll never do it unless the price is right.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:47 PM

P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come) Better not!!!

RFA:
WR Mike Wallace - Worth a 1st round tender.
G/C Doug Legursky - Keeper

Exclusive Rights:
RB Isaac Redman - keeper
NT Steve McLendon - keeper


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil) - $9 mil savings if cut. Big $, and he's not worth that anymore.
6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil) - Replace ASAP
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil) - Restructure or cut.
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil) - Restructure or see ya (sorry to say, as one of my all-time favorite Steelers).
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil) - Replace ASAP
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil) - Are mediocre kickers really getting paid this much now?


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:48 PM

Thinking about the "O" line and Big Ben. If he does ever get some reliable blockers in front of him, would we really want to see him become a pocket passer, seeing how well he can improvise and play outside the pocket? We have seen the past few games when he was kind of forced to be a pocket passer due to his ankle, and color me unimpressed. Maybe he had trouble throwing because he couldn't plant his foot well. I'm not sure, but it seems like the offense moves better when he is running for his life.

Being a pocket passer while your pocket is constantly collapsing certainly has it's challenges. My suggestion is to see how he could play when he actually has a pocket.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:03 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

We ALL know thats not the Steeler way, but it could benefit them, especially if they get all this cap space with some vets possibly retiring.

What good OLineman are free agents anyways? I honestly have no idea. I have to admit there are times I've been frustrated with the lack of pulse-quickening free agents signed by the Steelers but in general I think it is a sign of a successful, stable, non-desperate organization. I trust the "Steeler way". The Flozell Adams and Cotchery signings were great but they were hardly splashy. And they were cheap. I would expect and hope for more of the same.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:06 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

We ALL know thats not the Steeler way, but it could benefit them, especially if they get all this cap space with some vets possibly retiring.

What good OLineman are free agents anyways? I honestly have no idea. I have to admit there are times I've been frustrated with the lack of pulse-quickening free agents signed by the Steelers but in general I think it is a sign of a successful, stable, non-desperate organization. I trust the "Steeler way". The Flozell Adams and Cotchery signings were great but they were hardly splashy. And they were cheap. I would expect and hope for more of the same.

Quick search turned up these names:

Demetrius Bell (BUF) - OT - Bell is another under-the-radar player capable of protecting the blindside and is a vital piece to the Bills' offense with an expiring contract. Though he's an above average pass protector, he's an even better run blocker for the left side. The Bills have some work to be done to keep all of the pieces together, which could allow Bell to slip through the cracks into free agency. Carl Nicks (NO) - OG - Nicks is one of the premier guards in the league and after watching Jahri Evans strike a rich deal not too long ago, the Saints may be hard pressed to offer a second guard that type of money, though Nicks arguably had a better season a year ago. If Nicks doesn't put a hometown discount on the table, there's a good chance the market shows him more love than the Saints can afford to show him. Ben Grubbs (BAL) - OG - Grubbs has been one of the top offensive linemen on one of the better units in the league over the past few years. Despite having some moving pieces next to him at left tackle, Grubbs has continued to excel. The team's run game is at its best with him blocking on the move. With some instability along the offensive line over the past few years, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Ravens address Grubbs' contract immediately.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:08 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

We ALL know thats not the Steeler way, but it could benefit them, especially if they get all this cap space with some vets possibly retiring.

What good OLineman are free agents anyways? I honestly have no idea. I have to admit there are times I've been frustrated with the lack of pulse-quickening free agents signed by the Steelers but in general I think it is a sign of a successful, stable, non-desperate organization. I trust the "Steeler way". The Flozell Adams and Cotchery signings were great but they were hardly splashy. And they were cheap. I would expect and hope for more of the same.

Quick search turned up these names:

Demetrius Bell (BUF) - OT - Bell is another under-the-radar player capable of protecting the blindside and is a vital piece to the Bills' offense with an expiring contract. Though he's an above average pass protector, he's an even better run blocker for the left side. The Bills have some work to be done to keep all of the pieces together, which could allow Bell to slip through the cracks into free agency. Carl Nicks (NO) - OG - Nicks is one of the premier guards in the league and after watching Jahri Evans strike a rich deal not too long ago, the Saints may be hard pressed to offer a second guard that type of money, though Nicks arguably had a better season a year ago. If Nicks doesn't put a hometown discount on the table, there's a good chance the market shows him more love than the Saints can afford to show him. Ben Grubbs (BAL) - OG - Grubbs has been one of the top offensive linemen on one of the better units in the league over the past few years. Despite having some moving pieces next to him at left tackle, Grubbs has continued to excel. The team's run game is at its best with him blocking on the move. With some instability along the offensive line over the past few years, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Ravens address Grubbs' contract immediately.

Here are some others: D'Anthony Batiste (ARZ) - OT Levi Brown (ARZ) - OT Brandon Keith (ARZ) - OT Mark LeVoir (BAL) - OT Demetrius Bell (BUF) - OT Erik Pears (BUF) - OT Anthony Collins (CIN) - OT Dennis Roland (CIN) - OT Oniel Cousins (CLE) - OT Artis Hicks (CLE) - OT Guy Whimper (JAC) - OT Jared Gaither (KC) - OT Barry Richardson (KC) - OT Vernon Carey (MIA) - OT Kareem McKenzie (NYG) - OT Robert Turner (NYJ) - OT Khalif Barnes (OAK) - OT Stephon Heyer (OAK) - OT King Dunlap (PHI) - OT Breno Giacomini (SEA) - OT Adam Snyder (SF) - OT Adam Goldberg (STL) - OT James Lee (TB) - OT Mike Otto (TEN) - OT C.J. Davis (CAR) - OT - Exclusive Rights Geoff Schwartz (CAR) - OT - Restricted Garry Williams (CAR) - OT - Restricted Jermey Parnell (DAL) - OT - Exclusive Rights Chris Clark (DEN) - OT - Exclusive Rights Corey Hilliard (DET) - OT - Restricted Lydon Murtha (MIA) - OT - Restricted Patrick Brown (MIN) - OT - Exclusive Rights Brandyn Dombrowski (SD) - OT - Restricted Alex Boone (SF) - OT - Exclusive Rights Deuce Lutui (ARZ) - OG Chad Rinehart (BUF) - OG Mackenzy Bernadeau (CAR) - OG Roberto Garza (CHI) - OG Nate Livings (CIN) - OG Mike McGlynn (CIN) - OG Bobbie Williams (CIN) - OG John Greco (CLE) - OG Steve Vallos (CLE) - OG Derrick Dockery (DAL) - OG Russ Hochstein (DEN) - OG Ryan Diem (IND) - OG Dan Connolly (NE) - OG Stacy Andrews (NYG) - OG Chilo Rachal (SF) - OG Jacob Bell (STL) - OG Jeremy Zuttah (TB) - OG Jake Scott (TEN) - OG Kory Lichtensteiger (WAS) - OG Will Montgomery (WAS) - OG Kraig Urbik (BUF) - OG - Restricted
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:19 PM

UFA: I say bring all these guys back. Maybe not Essex depending on draft FA, maybe Dixon over Batch
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
WR Jerricho Crotchery
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
CB Bill Gay

RFA: I could see them re-signing all of these guys
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights: Both definitely back, IMO
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)

These seem like the most obvious cuts to me, and would total $40.7 mill. How much over the cap are they projected to be for 2012? I thought the number I heard early in the year was a little over $25 mill? If thats the case, Id say keep Harrison for 1 more year as theyll still $7 mill in space left with the other cuts. Bring Farrior, Ward, and Suisham back only if theyll sign for less than $1 mill or we cant find a better kicker.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:20 PM




P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 202 yds, 1 TD) is beyond lunacy

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

I think youre right with Clark. Im not sure if Id even heard of him before we signed him, and he was probably a top 3 player on our defense this year. Id love for them to bring in another under the radar name/player that could start for us and have an impact next year at ILB, NT, or OL.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

Why do people want to bring Farrior and Ward back?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:24 PM





P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 202 yds, 1 TD) is beyond lunacy

The Mendenhall hate is strong with CrossEyed

Indeed, cutting a 1st rd talent for a 6th rder, 7th rder, and a UDFA I dont think is a good football decision.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:24 PM



UFA: I say bring all these guys back. Maybe not Essex depending on draft FA, maybe Dixon over Batch
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
WR Jerricho Crotchery
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
CB Bill Gay

RFA: I could see them re-signing all of these guys
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights: Both definitely back, IMO
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)

These seem like the most obvious cuts to me, and would total $40.7 mill. How much over the cap are they projected to be for 2012? I thought the number I heard early in the year was a little over $25 mill? If thats the case, Id say keep Harrison for 1 more year as theyll still $7 mill in space left with the other cuts. Bring Farrior, Ward, and Suisham back only if theyll sign for less than $1 mill or we cant find a better kicker.

It is projected that the cap will be around 123 mil, so they are around 20 mil over.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:26 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

I think youre right with Clark. Im not sure if Id even heard of him before we signed him, and he was probably a top 3 player on our defense this year. Id love for them to bring in another under the radar name/player that could start for us and have an impact next year at ILB, NT, or OL.

Would love to see them bring in a big, hulking DL-man that can play NT to either replace/split time with big snack. I am encouraged by Steve McClendon's play though, as he has been solid in relief of Big Hamp. ETA: I thought Heyward had his finest game yesterday as well, his FF of McGahee was a thing of beauty and made a couple of tackles using one arm and pulling a guy backward.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:29 PM

Why do people want to bring Farrior and Ward back?

Why not for like $750k?? Unless they bring in a solid ILB or draft one in the top 4-5 rounds, Timmons and Sylvester arent enough to roster at ILB and they should cut Foote at his apparent $3.6 mill salary.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

Joey Porter time? Plaxico? Let's get the gang back together.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:33 PM




UFA: I say bring all these guys back. Maybe not Essex depending on draft FA, maybe Dixon over Batch
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
WR Jerricho Crotchery
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
CB Bill Gay

RFA: I could see them re-signing all of these guys
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights: Both definitely back, IMO
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)

These seem like the most obvious cuts to me, and would total $40.7 mill. How much over the cap are they projected to be for 2012? I thought the number I heard early in the year was a little over $25 mill? If thats the case, Id say keep Harrison for 1 more year as theyll still $7 mill in space left with the other cuts. Bring Farrior, Ward, and Suisham back only if theyll sign for less than $1 mill or we cant find a better kicker.

It is projected that the cap will be around 123 mil, so they are around 20 mil over.

Ok, so if they kept Harrison that means they would still have around $12 mill in cap space (assuming they cut all the guys I listed). That would seem to be enough to sign their draft class and sign a couple FA's at $2-3 mill per year, right?.

I wouldnt mind cutting Harrison if they had more depth at OLB, but they have nada after Worilds besides Carter (do we really want this guy playing every down if Woodley or Worilds gets hurt?) or moving Timmons back outside with is counterproductive as they have even less depth at ILB.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:35 PM

I think they need to visit FA this year. Who was the last big pickup they had? Farrior? That was like back in 1929. They need to get some good OL with NFL experience (NFL ready), and maybe draft a couple young one's to sit a year or two.

Thats not the "Steeler way" Last "best" FA signing IIRC was Ryan Clark.

I think youre right with Clark. Im not sure if Id even heard of him before we signed him, and he was probably a top 3 player on our defense this year. Id love for them to bring in another under the radar name/player that could start for us and have an impact next year at ILB, NT, or OL.

Would love to see them bring in a big, hulking DL-man that can play NT to either replace/split time with big snack. I am encouraged by Steve McClendon's play though, as he has been solid in relief of Big Hamp. ETA: I thought Heyward had his finest game yesterday as well, his FF of McGahee was a thing of beauty and made a couple of tackles using one arm and pulling a guy backward.

I think McLendon is a good backup, and maybe its just because he's smaller than Snack, but he looks small for a NT to me. Heyward did have a solid game. Funny, because my mom called him a "lollygagger" a few times during the game and I just chuckled. Early in the game she said why does Cotchery drop the ball all the time, so considering the source...:lol:
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:52 PM





UFA: I say bring all these guys back. Maybe not Essex depending on draft FA, maybe Dixon over Batch
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
WR Jerricho Crotchery
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
CB Bill Gay

RFA: I could see them re-signing all of these guys
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights: Both definitely back, IMO
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)

These seem like the most obvious cuts to me, and would total $40.7 mill. How much over the cap are they projected to be for 2012? I thought the number I heard early in the year was a little over $25 mill? If thats the case, Id say keep Harrison for 1 more year as theyll still $7 mill in space left with the other cuts. Bring Farrior, Ward, and Suisham back only if theyll sign for less than $1 mill or we cant find a better kicker.

It is projected that the cap will be around 123 mil, so they are around 20 mil over.

Ok, so if they kept Harrison that means they would still have around $12 mill in cap space (assuming they cut all the guys I listed). That would seem to be enough to sign their draft class and sign a couple FA's at $2-3 mill per year, right?.

I wouldnt mind cutting Harrison if they had more depth at OLB, but they have nada after Worilds besides Carter (do we really want this guy playing every down if Woodley or Worilds gets hurt?) or moving Timmons back outside with is counterproductive as they have even less depth at ILB.

I'd to see Stevenson Sylvester play a bigger role next year (I believe he is a ILB).

He's been masterful on ST, and in the handful of Preseason games I saw him in he's been quite excellent (granted the competition isnt as good)
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

I wanted take a moment to thank all of Steeler Nation for the love and support. I'm sorry for the disappointing loss. I'm still depressed about it. We had a great year finishing 12-4 but our ultimate goal was to win the Super Bowl and we fell short. Hats off to Denver. I'm also getting lots of questions about retirement so let me set the record straight: I have no plans on retiring right now. I want to win another Superbowl. I don't know where the media is getting this info from but rest assured that when I decide to retire, you'll hear it from ME first. - HINES


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UFA: I say bring all these guys back. Maybe not Essex depending on draft FA, maybe Dixon over Batch
QB Charles Batch
QB Byron Leftwich
WR Jerricho Crotchery
T Max Starks
G/T Trai Essux
CB Bill Gay

RFA: I could see them re-signing all of these guys
WR Mike Wallace
TE David Johnson
G/C Doug Legursky
CB Keenan Lewis
S Ryan Mundy

Exclusive Rights: Both definitely back, IMO
RB Isaac Redman
NT Steve McLendon


2012 Cap Numbers (players currently under contract for 2012, as of 9/7/2011):
5. LB James Harrison ($9 mil)
9. T Willie Colon ($5.7 mil)
10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)
21. K Shaun Suisham ($1.7 mil)
22. S Will Allen ($1.6 mil)

These seem like the most obvious cuts to me, and would total $40.7 mill. How much over the cap are they projected to be for 2012? I thought the number I heard early in the year was a little over $25 mill? If thats the case, Id say keep Harrison for 1 more year as theyll still $7 mill in space left with the other cuts. Bring Farrior, Ward, and Suisham back only if theyll sign for less than $1 mill or we cant find a better kicker.

It is projected that the cap will be around 123 mil, so they are around 20 mil over.

Ok, so if they kept Harrison that means they would still have around $12 mill in cap space (assuming they cut all the guys I listed). That would seem to be enough to sign their draft class and sign a couple FA's at $2-3 mill per year, right?.

I wouldnt mind cutting Harrison if they had more depth at OLB, but they have nada after Worilds besides Carter (do we really want this guy playing every down if Woodley or Worilds gets hurt?) or moving Timmons back outside with is counterproductive as they have even less depth at ILB.

I'd to see Stevenson Sylvester play a bigger role next year (I believe he is a ILB).

He's been masterful on ST, and in the handful of Preseason games I saw him in he's been quite excellent (granted the competition isnt as good)

I wouldnt mind Sylvester starting next year either, but if they cut Farrior and Foote (I would think highly likely for both), they only have Timmons left so theyll need to acquire a couple more ILBs one way or another.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:04 PM

Yeah, lets keep drafting good pass blocking OL, that way once they are ready to play, Ben will have retired and we'll have a rookie QB in there that can't throw anyways. They need OL that can play NOW.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:48 PM






P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 202 yds, 1 TD) is beyond lunacy

The Mendenhall hate is strong with CrossEyed

Indeed, cutting a 1st rd talent for a 6th rder, 7th rder, and a UDFA I dont think is a good football decision.

Never understood what a guy's draft position has to do with the decision to keep him once he's entering his 5th season.

There have been plenty of early round busts and late round/undrafted HOFers.

I guess the Steelers should have kept Alonzo Jackson since he was drafted in the 2nd round and James Harrison wasn't drafted at all.

Edited by CrossEyed, 09 January 2012 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:51 PM

I sure hope they don't cut Harrison. Coming off back surgery and later a broken orbital bone the guy had 9 sacks in 11 games. He didn't have his best game yesterday but the entire D would be released if we're basing it on that game.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:57 AM

I sure hope they don't cut Harrison. Coming off back surgery and later a broken orbital bone the guy had 9 sacks in 11 games. He didn't have his best game yesterday but the entire D would be released if we're basing it on that game.

I agree with this although Harrison is one hit away from a 4-game suspension and probably only a couple hits away from a year-long suspension. This is something that needs to be considered when evaluating whether or not he is worth his cap value.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:08 AM







P Daniel Sepulveda (franchise tag, here I come)

This is a joke right?



Cut these guys and here is a $25.5 million savings for you:

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)
11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)
14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)
15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)
16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)
17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

Could save another couple mill by cutting Mendenhall.

Anyone remember how good Baron Batch looked before he got hurt? Between Redman, Batch, Dwyer and Clay, they really don't need Mendenhall.

I also think Kemoeatu might get added to your list. No way he is worth $5.3 million.

:crazy:

Mendenhall is the team's best RB still, although Redman like the 1b to Mendy's 1a

Cutting Mendy (813 CAR 3367 YDS 29 TDs) for Dwyer, Batch and Clay (who have combined for a total of 35 CAR, 202 yds, 1 TD) is beyond lunacy

The Mendenhall hate is strong with CrossEyed

Indeed, cutting a 1st rd talent for a 6th rder, 7th rder, and a UDFA I dont think is a good football decision.

Never understood what a guy's draft position has to do with the decision to keep him once he's entering his 5th season.

There have been plenty of early round busts and late round/undrafted HOFers.

I guess the Steelers should have kept Alonzo Jackson since he was drafted in the 2nd round and James Harrison wasn't drafted at all.

Are you intimating that those RB's are better (excluding Redman) than Rashard Mendenhall? I'd like to hear your reasoning on this.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:09 AM

I sure hope they don't cut Harrison. Coming off back surgery and later a broken orbital bone the guy had 9 sacks in 11 games. He didn't have his best game yesterday but the entire D would be released if we're basing it on that game.

I agree with this although Harrison is one hit away from a 4-game suspension and probably only a couple hits away from a year-long suspension. This is something that needs to be considered when evaluating whether or not he is worth his cap value.

Read in the Trib today that if Steelers cut Harrison, he would still count for $4 MIL of $8MIL on next season's tab. Translation: Not going to get cut.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:18 AM

Are you intimating that those RB's are better (excluding Redman) than Rashard Mendenhall? I'd like to hear your reasoning on this.

I'm not, but in a cap league you have to weigh the cost/benefit. I think that Redman is every bit Mendenhall's equal. Not the exact same skill set, but what Redman does better than Mendenhall more than makes up for the only advantage Mendenhall has, which is speed. So Redman becomes their starter. Behind him you have what appears to be three capable backups. I wouldn't necessarily trust one of them to carry the load, but I think as a unit they are more than capable, especially since the Steelers are no longer a run first team. Take Mendenhall's $2.1 million and add it to some other money you have available to shore up the OL, or replace one of their aging LBs or DLs.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:45 AM

Rashard Mendenhall 2012 Salary: $2.1 MIL
Roster Spots Taken: 1


Clay/Dwyer/Batch 2012 Combined Salary: ~$1.5 MIL
Roster Spots Taken: 3

Is it worth $600K to get rid of a proven starter in Mendenhall for 3 unproven "back up" RB's eat up a 2 additional roster spots?

:no:

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:50 AM

Rashard Mendenhall 2012 Salary: $2.1 MIL Roster Spots Taken: 1 Clay/Dwyer/Batch 2012 Combined Salary: ~$1.5 MIL Roster Spots Taken: 3 Is it worth $600K to get rid of a proven starter in Mendenhall for 3 unproven "back up" RB's eat up a 2 additional roster spots? :no:

He may not be pursued when he becomes a FA but Mendenhall is not going to get cut in 2012.




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