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[Eephus]

Last year: 24 teams, 40 rounds

Discussion topics (Link to last year's rules thread

Smaller or bigger league
Supplemental draft(s)?
Auction
Who retired this year?
Is James Loney going to break out?

Edited by Eephus, 09 February 2012 - 01:13 PM.

[cheese]

This was awesome last year. In.

[Brady Marino]

In this time.

[Bogart]

In.

Would love to do an auction, but just don't see how it could be done.

[scoobus]

IN

I thought the league size and having no supplemental drafts worked well.

I could be talked into an auction if we have enough time for it.

[Tremendous Upside]

In

[Eephus]

Re: auctions

I haven't found any free sites that can handle a slow auction.

Yahoo and others can do a live auction but I don't that's practical with 24 teams.

The only other alternative would be do some kind of single-round blind bidding. Everybody nominates one player per round. Owners can bid all or part of their round allowance on one or more players per round. Blind bids get opened and players awarded. Unspent round allowance or some portion gets rolled to the next round and the process repeats through round 15 or so. The remaining players go into the snake draft. I don't think it would be a total cluster but we probably should have started a couple of weeks ago.

[boubucarow]

In

I don't thing we have enough time to do a slow auction. 24 players to bid on each day might be too much for me.

Didn't someone come up with the idea to be able to draft a supplemental pick? So you could spend your 5th round pick on the right to draft a player at the end of the season. If you were the first person to do so, you get the 1st pick in the supplemental draft or something like that.

I would also like to extend the draft at least a couple more rounds although I am sure I am in the minority.

Edited by boubucarow, 07 February 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[jfranco77]

In. I want to do bobacarow's idea of drafting a supplemental pick, otherwise no supplemental draft

[scoobus]

I would also like to extend the draft at least a couple more rounds although I am sure I am in the minority.

I agree with this (I'd go 45 or 50 if others wanted) and don't like the supplemental thing. Everyone had enough PAs/IPs last time, why do we need supplemental?

[Eephus]

In

I don't thing we have enough time to do a slow auction. 24 players to bid on each day might be too much for me.

Didn't someone come up with the idea to be able to draft a supplemental pick? So you could spend your 5th round pick on the right to draft a player at the end of the season. If you were the first person to do so, you get the 1st pick in the supplemental draft or something like that.

I would also like to extend the draft at least a couple more rounds although I am sure I am in the minority.

This was round #40 from last year.

40 . 01 ( #REF! ) OsoDiablo Henry Rodriguez P
40 . 02 ( #REF! ) TUpside.. Alex Cora 2B
40 . 03 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Yadel Marti P
40 . 04 ( #REF! ) RnRolen.. Miguel Batista P
40 . 05 ( #REF! ) sparty... Nate Adcock P
40 . 06 ( #REF! ) bobucarow Marcos Mateo P
40 . 07 ( #REF! ) Bogart... Bobby Cramer P
40 . 08 ( #REF! ) NV....... Dusty Hughes P
40 . 09 ( #REF! ) SNC...... Angel Guzman P
40 . 10 ( #REF! ) DougB.... Cole Kimball P
40 . 11 ( #REF! ) Arsenal.. Samuel Deduno P
40 . 13 ( #REF! ) rodg12... Mauricio Robles P
40 . 14 ( #REF! ) Greco.... Jeff Manship P
40 . 15 ( #REF! ) cheese... Jamey Wright P
40 . 17 ( #REF! ) belljr... Bobby Wilson C
40 . 18 ( #REF! ) scoobus.. Mark Lowe P
40 . 19 ( #REF! ) eephus... Andrew Brackman P
40 . 20 ( #REF! ) jfranco77 Phil Humber P
40 . 21 ( #REF! ) moops.... Garrett Atkins 1B
40 . 23 ( #REF! ) sammy.... Johnny Giavotella 2B
40 . 24 ( #REF! ) TRE...... Tom Wilhelmsen P

jfranco got good value from Humber.

[scoobus]

In

I don't thing we have enough time to do a slow auction. 24 players to bid on each day might be too much for me.

Didn't someone come up with the idea to be able to draft a supplemental pick? So you could spend your 5th round pick on the right to draft a player at the end of the season. If you were the first person to do so, you get the 1st pick in the supplemental draft or something like that.

I would also like to extend the draft at least a couple more rounds although I am sure I am in the minority.

This was round #40 from last year.

40 . 01 ( #REF! ) OsoDiablo Henry Rodriguez P
40 . 02 ( #REF! ) TUpside.. Alex Cora 2B
40 . 03 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Yadel Marti P
40 . 04 ( #REF! ) RnRolen.. Miguel Batista P
40 . 05 ( #REF! ) sparty... Nate Adcock P
40 . 06 ( #REF! ) bobucarow Marcos Mateo P
40 . 07 ( #REF! ) Bogart... Bobby Cramer P
40 . 08 ( #REF! ) NV....... Dusty Hughes P
40 . 09 ( #REF! ) SNC...... Angel Guzman P
40 . 10 ( #REF! ) DougB.... Cole Kimball P
40 . 11 ( #REF! ) Arsenal.. Samuel Deduno P
40 . 13 ( #REF! ) rodg12... Mauricio Robles P
40 . 14 ( #REF! ) Greco.... Jeff Manship P
40 . 15 ( #REF! ) cheese... Jamey Wright P
40 . 17 ( #REF! ) belljr... Bobby Wilson C
40 . 18 ( #REF! ) scoobus.. Mark Lowe P
40 . 19 ( #REF! ) eephus... Andrew Brackman P
40 . 20 ( #REF! ) jfranco77 Phil Humber P
40 . 21 ( #REF! ) moops.... Garrett Atkins 1B
40 . 23 ( #REF! ) sammy.... Johnny Giavotella 2B
40 . 24 ( #REF! ) TRE...... Tom Wilhelmsen P

jfranco got good value from Humber.

I used Bautista too, pretty sure Wright made a team.

[jfranco77]

Wow, pretty sure Humber started a playoff game for me

[Notorious T.R.E.]

In, should be a dynasty though. Even if it was only a keep 10 or something.

[Hoos First]

In, and I'll finish this time

[Kraft...]

I'll hop in, cool format

[the moops]

40 . 21 ( #REF! ) moops.... Garrett Atkins 1B

[the moops]

Oh, and I am in for shiz

[Arsenal of Doom]

In. I think we need to walk through the logistics of the "waiver" draft pick, but conceptually I think that was the best way to handle supplemental picks that we came up with.

[larry_boy_44]

in

[Eephus]

Wow, pretty sure Humber started a playoff game for me

160 innings of 112 ERA+ ball. He would have been the ace of my staff.

[Doctor Detroit]

Anyone want to go partners for this?

[Eephus]

Anyone want to go partners for this?

$12.95 for 40 picks works out to 32 cents each

[Doctor Detroit]

Anyone want to go partners for this?

$12.95 for 40 picks works out to 32 cents each

Time=money

[Eephus]

Anyone want to go partners for this?

$12.95 for 40 picks works out to 32 cents each

Time=money

Wing it. This sim is a total crapshoot.

[Notorious T.R.E.]

40 . 24 ( #REF! ) TRE...... Tom Wilhelmsen P

The where are they now? pick was useful actually.

[SoCalBroncoFan]

In.

[jfranco77]

In. I think we need to walk through the logistics of the "waiver" draft pick, but conceptually I think that was the best way to handle supplemental picks that we came up with.

I agree. I'm not sure how it would work best. For those who don't remember, the idea is that you can pick a "supplemental pick" in the draft, like a regular pick. So in round 3 I pick a "supplemental pick" and at the end of the season I pick an undrafted player with that pick. And the order of the supplemental draft is naturally set by the order the picks were chosen:

Supp 1.1 Jfranco (original pick 3.6)
Supp 1.2 Arsenal (original pick 6.5)
Supp 1.3 SoCal (original pick 11.15)

But, how many valid picks would there be in the supplemental draft? I remember Vogelsong and Jerome Williams, but I don't remember too many of the other undrafted players. What if we have 40 supplemental picks and there aren't 40 players worth picking? Too bad, so sad I guess.

I assume that I could pick 2 supplemental picks before someone took 1. I would also assume that people aren't required to pick supplemental picks if they don't want to. Maybe there's a limit of 2-3 of them per team. Since you're picking 40 players, some of who aren't going to qualify anyway, it's not like it's a big loss if you can't use a supplemental pick on anyone good.

[Notorious T.R.E.]

In. I think we need to walk through the logistics of the "waiver" draft pick, but conceptually I think that was the best way to handle supplemental picks that we came up with.

I agree. I'm not sure how it would work best. For those who don't remember, the idea is that you can pick a "supplemental pick" in the draft, like a regular pick. So in round 3 I pick a "supplemental pick" and at the end of the season I pick an undrafted player with that pick. And the order of the supplemental draft is naturally set by the order the picks were chosen:

Supp 1.1 Jfranco (original pick 3.6)
Supp 1.2 Arsenal (original pick 6.5)
Supp 1.3 SoCal (original pick 11.15)

But, how many valid picks would there be in the supplemental draft? I remember Vogelsong and Jerome Williams, but I don't remember too many of the other undrafted players. What if we have 40 supplemental picks and there aren't 40 players worth picking? Too bad, so sad I guess.

I assume that I could pick 2 supplemental picks before someone took 1. I would also assume that people aren't required to pick supplemental picks if they don't want to. Maybe there's a limit of 2-3 of them per team. Since you're picking 40 players, some of who aren't going to qualify anyway, it's not like it's a big loss if you can't use a supplemental pick on anyone good.

Here's last year:

100 ABs or more:

Hitting
Rk 	Pos 	Player 	Sta 	Action 	Opp 	Score 	GP 	PA 	AB 	R 	H 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	Avg 	OBP 	SLG 	RC27 	K/PA 	E
1 	1B,CI 	Kotchman, Casey - TB 	FA 		NYY 	3988 	146 	563 	500 	44 	153 	10 	48 	2 	.306 	.378 	.422 	2.93 	0.12 	2
2 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Miles, Aaron - LAD 	FA 		LAD 	3075 	136 	490 	454 	49 	125 	3 	45 	4 	.275 	.314 	.346 	1.72 	0.10 	10
3 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Turner, Justin - NYM 	FA 		CIN 	3123 	117 	487 	435 	49 	113 	4 	51 	7 	.260 	.334 	.356 	1.92 	0.12 	13
4 	2B,SS,MI,OF 	Plouffe, Trevor - MIN 	FA 		KC 	2424 	81 	320 	286 	47 	68 	8 	31 	3 	.238 	.305 	.392 	1.22 	0.22 	12
5 	1B,2B,3B,CI,MI 	Hughes, Luke - MIN  [Probable for Opening Day - : Hughes suffers shoulder injury in Austarlia] 	FA 		KC 	2075 	96 	317 	287 	31 	64 	7 	30 	3 	.223 	.289 	.338 	1.06 	0.25 	5
6 	1B,CI,OF 	Carp, Mike - SEA 	FA 		OAK 	3001 	79 	313 	290 	27 	80 	12 	46 	0 	.276 	.326 	.466 	1.50 	0.26 	6
7 	OF 	Reddick, Josh - BOS 	FA 		BOS 	3153 	87 	278 	254 	41 	71 	7 	28 	1 	.280 	.327 	.457 	1.42 	0.18 	5
8 	1B,CI 	Guzman, Jesus - SD 	FA 		CHC 	3736 	76 	271 	247 	33 	77 	5 	44 	9 	.312 	.369 	.478 	1.55 	0.16 	4
9 	OF 	Johnson, Reed - CHC 	FA 		@SD 	3181 	111 	266 	246 	33 	76 	5 	28 	2 	.309 	.348 	.467 	1.44 	0.24 	3
10 	OF 	Paul, Xavier - PIT/LAD 	FA 		PIT 	2424 	128 	262 	243 	30 	62 	2 	20 	16 	.255 	.292 	.346 	0.83 	0.24 	1
11 	OF 	Bourgeois, Jason - HOU 	FA 		STL 	3399 	93 	252 	238 	30 	70 	1 	16 	31 	.294 	.323 	.357 	0.89 	0.10 	1
12 	OF 	Petersen, Bryan - MIA 	FA 		WAS 	2775 	74 	241 	204 	18 	54 	2 	10 	7 	.265 	.357 	.387 	1.07 	0.20 	2
13 	OF 	Pridie, Jason - NYM 	FA 		CIN 	2240 	101 	236 	208 	28 	48 	4 	20 	7 	.231 	.309 	.370 	0.90 	0.27 	2
14 	OF 	Dirks, Andy - DET 	FA 		CLE 	2833 	78 	235 	219 	34 	55 	7 	28 	5 	.251 	.296 	.406 	0.93 	0.15 	2
15 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Altuve, Jose - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2709 	57 	234 	221 	26 	61 	2 	12 	7 	.276 	.297 	.357 	0.77 	0.12 	2
16 	OF 	Presley, Alex - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	3323 	52 	231 	215 	27 	64 	4 	20 	9 	.298 	.339 	.465 	1.23 	0.17 	1
17 	2B,3B,SS,CI,MI,OF 	McCoy, Mike - TOR 	FA 		@CHW 	1954 	80 	228 	197 	26 	39 	2 	10 	12 	.198 	.291 	.269 	0.61 	0.18 	5
18 	OF 	Carrera, Ezequiel - CLE 	FA 		@DET 	2299 	68 	226 	202 	27 	49 	0 	14 	10 	.243 	.301 	.312 	0.63 	0.15 	4
19 	OF 	Martinez, J.D. - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2870 	53 	226 	208 	29 	57 	6 	35 	0 	.274 	.319 	.423 	1.01 	0.21 	1
20 	1B,2B,3B,CI,MI 	Downs, Matt - HOU 	FA 		STL 	3202 	106 	222 	199 	29 	55 	10 	41 	0 	.276 	.347 	.518 	1.34 	0.21 	6
21 	SS,MI 	Crawford, Brandon - SF 	FA 		COL 	1952 	66 	220 	196 	22 	40 	3 	21 	1 	.204 	.288 	.296 	0.60 	0.14 	7
22 	1B,2B,CI,MI,OF 	Lillibridge, Brent - CHW 	FA 		TOR 	3118 	97 	216 	186 	38 	48 	13 	29 	10 	.258 	.340 	.505 	1.10 	0.29 	2
23 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Harrison, Josh - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	2467 	65 	204 	195 	21 	53 	1 	16 	4 	.272 	.281 	.374 	0.66 	0.12 	8
24 	C 	McKenry, Michael - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	1577 	58 	201 	180 	17 	40 	2 	11 	0 	.222 	.276 	.322 	0.56 	0.24 	5
25 	2B,3B,SS,CI,MI 	Seager, Kyle - SEA 	FA 		OAK 	2413 	53 	201 	182 	22 	47 	3 	13 	3 	.258 	.312 	.379 	0.77 	0.18 	6
26 	OF 	Tosoni, Rene - MIN 	FA 		KC 	1812 	60 	189 	172 	20 	35 	5 	22 	0 	.203 	.275 	.343 	0.60 	0.22 	3
27 	C 	Stewart, Chris - SF 	FA 		COL 	1956 	67 	183 	162 	20 	33 	3 	10 	0 	.204 	.283 	.309 	0.53 	0.10 	7
28 	OF 	Bogusevic, Brian - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2935 	87 	182 	164 	22 	47 	4 	15 	4 	.287 	.348 	.457 	0.85 	0.22 	2
29 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Paredes, Jimmy - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2449 	46 	179 	168 	16 	48 	2 	18 	5 	.286 	.320 	.393 	0.71 	0.26 	5
30 	OF 	Kearns, Austin - CLE  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 			1560 	57 	174 	150 	18 	30 	2 	7 	0 	.200 	.302 	.287 	0.48 	0.28 	1
31 	C 	Corporan, Carlos - HOU 	FA 		STL 	1115 	52 	173 	154 	9 	29 	0 	11 	0 	.188 	.253 	.253 	0.34 	0.28 	6
32 	OF 	De Aza, Alejandro - CHW 	FA 		TOR 	3574 	54 	171 	152 	29 	50 	4 	23 	12 	.329 	.400 	.520 	1.10 	0.20 	1
33 	2B,3B,CI,MI 	Forsythe, Logan - SD 	FA 		CHC 	1628 	62 	169 	150 	12 	32 	0 	12 	3 	.213 	.281 	.287 	0.44 	0.20 	5
34 	C 	Perez, Salvador - KC 	FA 		@MIN 	3346 	39 	158 	148 	20 	49 	3 	21 	0 	.331 	.361 	.473 	0.88 	0.13 	3
35 	OF 	Campana, Tony - CHC 	FA 		@SD 	2448 	95 	155 	143 	24 	37 	1 	6 	24 	.259 	.303 	.301 	0.47 	0.19 	1
36 	OF 	Peguero, Carlos - SEA 	FA 		OAK 	1621 	46 	155 	143 	14 	28 	6 	19 	0 	.196 	.252 	.371 	0.50 	0.35 	1
37 	2B,MI 	Burriss, Emmanuel - SF 	FA 		COL 	1757 	59 	152 	137 	14 	28 	0 	4 	11 	.204 	.253 	.212 	0.25 	0.11 	5
38 	3B,SS,CI,MI 	d'Arnaud, Chase - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	1427 	48 	151 	143 	17 	31 	0 	6 	12 	.217 	.242 	.287 	0.32 	0.24 	9
39 	3B,SS,CI,MI 	Rodriguez, Luis - SEA 	FA 		OAK 	1921 	44 	139 	117 	10 	23 	2 	14 	1 	.197 	.299 	.333 	0.45 	0.15 	4
40 	2B,SS,MI 	Sellers, Justin - LAD 	FA 		@ARI 	1902 	36 	139 	123 	20 	25 	1 	13 	1 	.203 	.283 	.301 	0.41 	0.15 	1
41 	C 	Powell, Landon - OAK  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		@SEA 	1131 	36 	122 	111 	10 	19 	1 	4 	0 	.171 	.246 	.225 	0.22 	0.26 	2
42 	OF 	Pena, Wily Mo - SEA/ARI  [Inactive] 	FA 		OAK 	1773 	39 	120 	113 	15 	23 	7 	15 	0 	.204 	.250 	.416 	0.42 	0.33 	0
43 	OF 	Constanza, Jose - ATL 	WW 		PHI 	3030 	42 	119 	109 	21 	33 	2 	10 	7 	.303 	.339 	.385 	0.46 	0.12 	1
44 	1B,CI,OF 	Marrero, Chris - WAS 	FA 		@MIA 	1611 	31 	117 	109 	6 	27 	0 	10 	0 	.248 	.274 	.294 	0.33 	0.23 	2
45 	3B,CI 	Burroughs, Sean - ARI  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		LAD 	2279 	78 	115 	110 	8 	30 	1 	8 	1 	.273 	.289 	.336 	0.35 	0.13 	1
46 	C 	Rivera, Rene - MIN  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		KC 	994 	45 	114 	104 	9 	15 	1 	5 	0 	.144 	.211 	.202 	0.17 	0.28 	3
47 	OF 	Ruggiano, Justin - TB 	FA 		NYY 	2040 	46 	111 	105 	11 	26 	4 	13 	1 	.248 	.273 	.400 	0.39 	0.23 	0
48 	2B,MI 	Orr, Pete - PHI  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		@ATL 	1576 	46 	104 	96 	7 	21 	0 	4 	3 	.219 	.279 	.250 	0.26 	0.18 	2
49 	OF 	Wise, Dewayne - MIA/TOR 	FA 		TOR 	1291 	69 	104 	99 	10 	20 	2 	7 	6 	.202 	.231 	.303 	0.24 	0.35 	2
50 	OF 	Cowgill, Collin - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	1703 	36 	100 	92 	8 	22 	1 	9 	4 	.239 	.300 	.304 	0.31 	0.28 	0

25 IP or more:

Pitching
Rk 	Pos 	Player 	Sta 	Action 	Opp 	Score 	GP 	GS 	QS 	IP 	H 	BB 	BB/9 	K 	K/9 	ERA 	WHIP 	DICE 	HR/9 	OPS 	IRS% 	IP/GP
1 	P 	Vogelsong, Ryan - SF 	FA 		COL 	4916 	30 	28 	19 	179.2 	164 	61 	3.06 	139 	6.96 	2.71 	1.252 	3.64 	0.75 	.672 	100.00 	5.99
2 	P 	Collmenter, Josh - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	4702 	31 	24 	15 	154.1 	137 	28 	1.63 	100 	5.83 	3.38 	1.069 	3.78 	0.99 	.653 	100.00 	4.98
3 	P 	Chatwood, Tyler - LAA 	FA 		TEX 	1883 	27 	25 	9 	142 	166 	71 	4.50 	74 	4.69 	4.75 	1.669 	4.87 	0.89 	.832 	0.00 	5.26
4 	P 	Worley, Vance - PHI 	FA 		@ATL 	4864 	25 	21 	12 	131.2 	116 	46 	3.14 	119 	8.13 	3.01 	1.230 	3.30 	0.68 	.676 	100.00 	5.27
5 	P 	Moscoso, Guillermo - OAK 	FA 		OAK 	4236 	23 	21 	12 	128 	102 	38 	2.67 	74 	5.20 	3.37 	1.094 	4.20 	0.98 	.619 	100.00 	5.57
6 	P 	Simon, Alfredo - BAL 	FA 		BOS 	2955 	23 	16 	7 	115.2 	128 	40 	3.11 	83 	6.46 	4.90 	1.452 	4.39 	1.17 	.837 	88.89 	5.03
7 	P 	Villanueva, Carlos - TOR 	FA 		@CHW 	3263 	33 	13 	5 	107 	103 	32 	2.69 	68 	5.72 	4.04 	1.262 	4.07 	0.93 	.700 	60.00 	3.24
8 	P 	Duffy, Danny - KC 	FA 		@MIN 	1961 	20 	20 	8 	105.1 	119 	51 	4.36 	87 	7.43 	5.64 	1.614 	4.79 	1.28 	.865 	- 	5.27
9 	P 	Swarzak, Anthony - MIN 	FA 		KC 	3295 	27 	11 	8 	102 	111 	26 	2.29 	55 	4.85 	4.32 	1.343 	4.01 	0.79 	.726 	71.43 	3.78
10 	P 	Furbush, Charlie - SEA/DET 	FA 		OAK 	2247 	28 	12 	2 	85.1 	97 	30 	3.16 	67 	7.07 	5.48 	1.488 	5.13 	1.69 	.854 	75.00 	3.05
11 	P 	Rodriguez, Aneury - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2565 	43 	8 	2 	85.1 	83 	32 	3.38 	64 	6.75 	5.27 	1.348 	4.68 	1.37 	.775 	75.00 	1.98
12 	P 	McCutchen, Daniel - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	2945 	73 	0 	0 	84.2 	87 	33 	3.51 	47 	5.00 	3.72 	1.417 	4.28 	0.74 	.744 	81.40 	1.16
13 	P 	Willis, Dontrelle - CIN 	FA 		CIN 	2539 	13 	13 	9 	75.2 	78 	37 	4.40 	57 	6.78 	5.00 	1.520 	4.07 	0.71 	.747 	- 	5.82
14 	P 	Jakubauskas, Chris - BAL 	FA 		BOS 	1742 	33 	6 	0 	72.1 	93 	29 	3.61 	52 	6.47 	5.72 	1.687 	4.87 	1.37 	.890 	62.50 	2.19
15 	P 	Nicasio, Juan - COL 	FA 		@SF 	3294 	13 	13 	7 	71.2 	73 	18 	2.26 	58 	7.28 	4.14 	1.270 	3.63 	1.00 	.735 	- 	5.51
16 	P 	Wood, Blake - KC 	FA 		@MIN 	3267 	55 	0 	0 	69.2 	66 	32 	4.13 	62 	8.01 	3.75 	1.407 	3.66 	0.65 	.719 	67.86 	1.27
17 	P 	Russell, James - CHC 	FA 		@SD 	2608 	64 	5 	0 	67.2 	76 	14 	1.86 	43 	5.72 	4.12 	1.330 	4.74 	1.60 	.819 	73.81 	1.06
18 	P 	Smith, Joe - CLE 	FA 		@DET 	4337 	71 	0 	0 	67 	52 	21 	2.82 	45 	6.04 	2.01 	1.090 	2.88 	0.13 	.544 	62.16 	0.94
19 	P 	Perez, Luis - TOR 	FA 		@CHW 	2258 	37 	4 	1 	65 	74 	27 	3.74 	54 	7.48 	5.12 	1.554 	4.62 	1.25 	.827 	72.41 	1.76
20 	P 	Alvarez, Henderson - TOR 	FA 		@CHW 	3256 	10 	10 	6 	63.2 	64 	8 	1.13 	40 	5.65 	3.53 	1.131 	3.94 	1.13 	.719 	- 	6.37
21 	P 	Owings, Micah - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	3008 	33 	4 	0 	63 	56 	23 	3.29 	44 	6.29 	3.57 	1.254 	4.44 	1.14 	.747 	76.92 	1.91
22 	P 	Wang, Chien-Ming - WAS 	FA 		@MIA 	2535 	11 	11 	4 	62.1 	67 	13 	1.88 	25 	3.61 	4.04 	1.283 	4.54 	1.16 	.714 	- 	5.67
23 	P 	De La Rosa, Rubby - LAD  [Late 2012? - : De La Rosa (elbow) throwing off flat ground] 	FA 		@ARI 	2964 	13 	10 	4 	60.2 	54 	31 	4.60 	60 	8.90 	3.71 	1.401 	3.84 	0.89 	.722 	- 	4.67
24 	P 	Hand, Brad - MIA 	FA 		WAS 	1569 	12 	12 	3 	60 	53 	35 	5.25 	38 	5.70 	4.20 	1.467 	5.70 	1.50 	.793 	- 	5.00
25 	P 	Holland, Greg - KC 	FA 		@MIN 	5398 	46 	0 	0 	60 	37 	19 	2.85 	74 	11.10 	1.80 	0.933 	2.18 	0.45 	.522 	93.94 	1.30
26 	P 	Gomez, Jeanmar - CLE 	FA 		@DET 	2307 	11 	10 	4 	58.1 	73 	15 	2.31 	31 	4.78 	4.47 	1.509 	4.10 	0.93 	.807 	- 	5.30
27 	P 	Mortensen, Clayton - COL 	FA 		COL 	2330 	16 	6 	3 	58.1 	55 	24 	3.70 	30 	4.63 	3.86 	1.354 	5.31 	1.39 	.786 	80.00 	3.65
28 	P 	Herndon, David - PHI 	FA 		@ATL 	2168 	45 	0 	0 	57 	54 	24 	3.79 	39 	6.16 	3.32 	1.368 	5.05 	1.42 	.776 	52.94 	1.27
29 	P 	MacDougal, Mike - LAD 	FA 		@ARI 	3257 	69 	0 	0 	57 	54 	29 	4.58 	41 	6.47 	2.05 	1.456 	3.93 	0.47 	.693 	66.67 	0.83
30 	P 	Herrmann, Frank - CLE 	FA 		@DET 	2109 	40 	0 	0 	56.1 	71 	16 	2.56 	34 	5.43 	5.11 	1.544 	4.26 	1.12 	.810 	56.25 	1.41
31 	P 	Ayala, Luis - NYY  [Jan 25, 9:25 PM: Angels have made offer to RHP Luis Ayala] 	FA 		NYY 	3337 	52 	0 	0 	56 	51 	20 	3.21 	39 	6.27 	2.09 	1.268 	4.16 	0.80 	.714 	66.67 	1.08
32 	P 	Cishek, Steve - MIA 	FA 		WAS 	4819 	45 	0 	0 	54.2 	45 	19 	3.13 	55 	9.05 	2.63 	1.171 	2.43 	0.16 	.591 	81.25 	1.21
33 	P 	Thompson, Rich - LAA 	FA 		TEX 	4090 	44 	0 	0 	54 	46 	20 	3.33 	56 	9.33 	3.00 	1.222 	3.24 	0.83 	.640 	72.00 	1.23
34 	P 	Sosa, Henry - HOU 	FA 		STL 	1874 	10 	10 	5 	53.1 	54 	23 	3.88 	38 	6.41 	5.23 	1.444 	4.74 	1.18 	.823 	- 	5.33
35 	P 	Cobb, Alex - TB 	FA 		NYY 	3307 	9 	9 	6 	52.2 	49 	21 	3.59 	37 	6.32 	3.42 	1.329 	3.59 	0.51 	.657 	- 	5.85
36 	P 	Rodriguez, Fernando - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2985 	47 	0 	0 	52.1 	51 	30 	5.16 	57 	9.80 	3.96 	1.548 	4.20 	1.03 	.781 	85.71 	1.11
37 	P 	Burnett, Alex - MIN 	FA 		KC 	2729 	66 	0 	0 	50.2 	50 	21 	3.73 	33 	5.86 	5.51 	1.401 	4.44 	0.71 	.755 	83.87 	0.77
38 	P 	Huff, David - CLE 	FA 		@DET 	2560 	11 	10 	3 	50.2 	55 	17 	3.02 	36 	6.39 	4.09 	1.421 	4.12 	1.07 	.761 	50.00 	4.61
39 	P 	Bass, Anthony - SD 	FA 		CHC 	3156 	27 	3 	0 	48.1 	41 	21 	3.91 	24 	4.47 	1.68 	1.283 	4.18 	0.56 	.655 	61.54 	1.79
40 	P 	Gray, Jeff - SEA/CHW 	FA 		OAK 	2012 	30 	0 	0 	48.1 	52 	21 	3.91 	23 	4.28 	4.28 	1.510 	4.49 	0.74 	.763 	48.15 	1.61
41 	P 	Hawkins, LaTroy - MIL 	FA 		PIT 	4483 	52 	0 	0 	48.1 	50 	10 	1.86 	28 	5.21 	2.42 	1.241 	2.73 	0.19 	.625 	85.71 	0.93
42 	P 	Lincoln, Brad - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	2418 	12 	8 	5 	47.2 	54 	16 	3.02 	29 	5.48 	4.72 	1.469 	4.01 	0.76 	.776 	- 	3.97
43 	P 	Berken, Jason - BAL 	FA 		BOS 	1468 	40 	0 	0 	47 	63 	21 	4.02 	41 	7.85 	5.36 	1.787 	5.43 	1.91 	.947 	46.43 	1.17
44 	P 	Guerra, Javy - LAD 	FA 		@ARI 	4029 	47 	0 	0 	46.2 	37 	18 	3.47 	38 	7.33 	2.31 	1.179 	3.28 	0.39 	.610 	62.50 	0.99
45 	P 	Davis, Doug - CHC  [Free Agent] 	FA 			2132 	9 	9 	2 	45.2 	59 	26 	5.12 	36 	7.09 	6.50 	1.861 	3.83 	0.39 	.807 	- 	5.07
46 	P 	Tateyama, Yoshinori - TEX 	FA 		@LAA 	3393 	39 	0 	0 	44 	37 	11 	2.25 	43 	8.80 	4.50 	1.091 	4.30 	1.64 	.681 	73.53 	1.13
47 	P 	Teaford, Everett - KC 	FA 		@MIN 	2841 	26 	3 	1 	44 	36 	14 	2.86 	28 	5.73 	3.27 	1.136 	5.11 	1.64 	.715 	70.59 	1.69
48 	P 	Williams, Jerome - LAA 	FA 		TEX 	2480 	10 	6 	4 	44 	45 	15 	3.07 	28 	5.73 	3.68 	1.364 	4.59 	1.23 	.770 	60.00 	4.40
49 	P 	Ramos, Cesar - TB 	FA 		NYY 	2568 	59 	0 	0 	43.2 	36 	25 	5.15 	31 	6.39 	3.92 	1.397 	4.69 	0.82 	.674 	64.58 	0.74
50 	P 	Alburquerque, Al - DET  [July? - : Al Alburquerque undergoes elbow surgery] 	FA 		CLE 	4972 	41 	0 	0 	43.1 	21 	29 	6.02 	67 	13.92 	1.87 	1.154 	2.05 	0.00 	.439 	90.32 	1.06
51 	P 	Dumatrait, Phil - MIN  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		KC 	1797 	45 	0 	0 	41.1 	45 	25 	5.44 	29 	6.31 	3.92 	1.694 	5.69 	1.52 	.830 	75.68 	0.92
52 	P 	Watson, Tony - PIT 	WW 		@MIL 	2905 	43 	0 	0 	41 	34 	20 	4.39 	37 	8.12 	3.95 	1.317 	4.63 	1.32 	.713 	81.48 	0.95
53 	P 	Proctor, Scott - ATL/NYY  [Jan 11, 8:48 AM: Proctor signs with team in Korea] 	FA 		NYY 	1011 	39 	0 	0 	40.1 	50 	31 	6.92 	29 	6.47 	7.14 	2.008 	7.49 	2.45 	1.021 	68.18 	1.03
54 	P 	Miley, Wade - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	1473 	8 	7 	4 	40 	48 	18 	4.05 	25 	5.63 	4.50 	1.650 	5.05 	1.35 	.875 	- 	5.00
55 	P 	Cassevah, Bobby - LAA 	FA 		TEX 	3760 	30 	0 	0 	39.2 	28 	19 	4.31 	24 	5.45 	2.72 	1.185 	3.63 	0.23 	.584 	75.00 	1.32
56 	P 	Wade, Cory - NYY 	FA 		@TB 	4158 	40 	0 	0 	39.2 	33 	8 	1.82 	30 	6.81 	2.04 	1.034 	3.73 	1.13 	.624 	80.00 	0.99
57 	P 	Igarashi, Ryota - NYM  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		CIN 	2593 	45 	0 	0 	38.2 	43 	28 	6.52 	42 	9.78 	4.66 	1.836 	3.98 	0.47 	.796 	60.87 	0.86
58 	P 	Byrdak, Tim - NYM 	FA 		CIN 	3691 	72 	0 	0 	37.2 	34 	19 	4.54 	47 	11.23 	3.82 	1.407 	3.13 	0.72 	.692 	76.12 	0.52
59 	P 	Gomes, Brandon - TB 	FA 		NYY 	3463 	40 	0 	0 	37 	34 	16 	3.89 	32 	7.78 	2.92 	1.351 	3.70 	0.73 	.662 	68.00 	0.92
60 	P 	Delgado, Randall - ATL 	FA 		PHI 	2388 	7 	7 	1 	35 	29 	14 	3.60 	18 	4.63 	2.83 	1.229 	5.11 	1.29 	.655 	- 	5.00
61 	P 	Eovaldi, Nathan - LAD 	FA 		@ARI 	2620 	10 	6 	3 	34.2 	28 	20 	5.19 	23 	5.97 	3.63 	1.385 	4.33 	0.52 	.667 	- 	3.47
62 	P 	Paterson, Joe - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	3972 	62 	0 	0 	34 	28 	15 	3.97 	28 	7.41 	2.91 	1.265 	3.41 	0.26 	.630 	76.60 	0.55
63 	P 	De Los Santos, Fautino - OAK 	FA 		@SEA 	3229 	34 	0 	0 	33.1 	27 	17 	4.59 	43 	11.61 	4.32 	1.320 	3.51 	1.08 	.672 	66.67 	0.98
64 	P 	Ortiz, Ramon - CHC  [Free Agent] 	FA 		CHC 	2690 	22 	2 	1 	33.1 	31 	11 	2.97 	25 	6.75 	4.86 	1.260 	4.83 	1.62 	.745 	80.00 	1.52
65 	P 	Grilli, Jason - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	4529 	28 	0 	0 	32.2 	24 	15 	4.13 	37 	10.19 	2.48 	1.194 	3.28 	0.55 	.601 	89.47 	1.17
66 	P 	Mattheus, Ryan - WAS 	FA 		@MIA 	3192 	35 	0 	0 	32 	26 	15 	4.22 	12 	3.37 	2.81 	1.281 	4.25 	0.28 	.626 	72.41 	0.91
67 	P 	Vasquez, Esmerling - ARI 	FA 		KC 	2969 	31 	0 	0 	30.1 	27 	13 	3.86 	20 	5.93 	4.15 	1.319 	4.22 	0.59 	.692 	71.43 	0.98
68 	P 	Patton, Troy - BAL 	FA 		BOS 	4300 	20 	0 	0 	30 	25 	5 	1.50 	22 	6.60 	3.00 	1.000 	2.90 	0.60 	.569 	64.29 	1.50
69 	P 	Sanchez, Eduardo - STL 	FA 		@HOU 	4374 	26 	0 	0 	30 	14 	16 	4.80 	35 	10.50 	1.80 	1.000 	3.00 	0.30 	.501 	60.00 	1.15
70 	P 	Eveland, Dana - LAD 	FA 		LAD 	3730 	5 	5 	2 	29.2 	28 	6 	1.82 	16 	4.85 	3.03 	1.146 	3.17 	0.30 	.647 	- 	5.93
71 	P 	Lindblom, Josh - LAD 	FA 		@ARI 	4523 	27 	0 	0 	29.2 	21 	10 	3.03 	28 	8.49 	2.73 	1.045 	2.33 	0.00 	.580 	66.67 	1.10
72 	P 	Spence, Josh - SD 	FA 		CHC 	4250 	40 	0 	0 	29.2 	14 	19 	5.76 	31 	9.40 	2.73 	1.112 	3.91 	0.61 	.509 	88.24 	0.74
73 	P 	Vasquez, Anthony - SEA  [Minor Leagues] 	FA 		OAK 	711 	7 	7 	1 	29.1 	46 	10 	3.07 	13 	3.99 	8.90 	1.909 	9.20 	3.99 	1.143 	- 	4.19
74 	P 	Below, Duane - DET 	WW 		CLE 	3052 	14 	2 	0 	29 	28 	11 	3.41 	14 	4.34 	4.34 	1.345 	4.17 	0.62 	.668 	83.33 	2.07
75 	P 	Dillard, Tim - MIL 	FA 		PIT 	4080 	24 	0 	0 	28.2 	26 	4 	1.26 	27 	8.48 	4.08 	1.047 	3.10 	0.94 	.660 	72.73 	1.19
76 	P 	Shaw, Bryan - ARI 	FA 		LAD 	4069 	33 	0 	0 	28.1 	30 	8 	2.54 	24 	7.62 	2.54 	1.341 	3.49 	0.64 	.699 	83.33 	0.86
77 	C,P 	Carpenter, David - HOU 	FA 		STL 	2743 	34 	0 	0 	27.2 	28 	13 	4.23 	29 	9.43 	2.93 	1.482 	4.16 	0.98 	.812 	57.89 	0.81
78 	P 	Escalona, Sergio - HOU 	FA 		STL 	3451 	49 	0 	0 	27.2 	24 	11 	3.58 	25 	8.13 	2.93 	1.265 	4.01 	0.98 	.687 	74.29 	0.56
79 	P 	Surkamp, Eric - SF 	FA 		COL 	1461 	6 	6 	1 	26.2 	32 	17 	5.74 	13 	4.39 	5.74 	1.837 	4.65 	0.34 	.865 	- 	4.44
80 	P 	Milone, Tommy - WAS 	FA 		WAS 	3081 	5 	5 	1 	26 	28 	4 	1.38 	15 	5.19 	3.81 	1.231 	3.54 	0.69 	.748 	- 	5.20
81 	P 	Escalona, Edgmer - COL 	FA 		@SF 	3941 	14 	0 	0 	25.2 	17 	7 	2.45 	14 	4.91 	1.75 	0.935 	4.25 	1.05 	.586 	100.00 	1.83
82 	P 	Beimel, Joe - PIT 	FA 			1470 	35 	0 	0 	25.1 	34 	9 	3.20 	17 	6.04 	5.33 	1.697 	5.92 	2.13 	.936 	64.29 	0.72
83 	P 	Godfrey, Graham - OAK 	FA 		@SEA 	2218 	5 	4 	1 	25 	32 	5 	1.80 	13 	4.68 	3.96 	1.480 	4.24 	1.08 	.799 	- 	5.00
84 	P 	Leroux, Chris - PIT 	FA 		@MIL 	4364 	23 	0 	0 	25 	26 	7 	2.52 	24 	8.64 	2.88 	1.320 	2.04 	0.00 	.599 	66.67 	1.09

[the moops]

casey kotchman had quite the year

[the moops]

I vote for no supplemental draft thing. Sort of takes away from the whole idea of this thing, IMO.

[Eephus]

I kind of agree with the moops that the uncertain future value of the picks is the key thing separating this format from the usual WIS sim. If we're going to do supplemental picks, we shouldn't wait until the end of the season to make them. They should happen no later than the All-Star break.

[boubucarow]

I vote for no supplemental draft thing. Sort of takes away from the whole idea of this thing, IMO.

I actually agree. It would take away from the nature of this draft entirely. I think if we do anything, we should increase the # of players drafted by 5 or 10. Yes, rounds 41-50 will reveal a lot of garbage but I think it will give us a few more lottery tickets to create PA/IP insurances across the positions. In addition, it could create more trade talks near the end of the season due to the flexibility the extra players could create for some teams.

[boubucarow]

Also, how many AAA players were we allowed last year? If we have them, I see no reason not to allow however many AAA players as allowed.

[the moops]

Also, how many AAA players were we allowed last year? If we have them, I see no reason not to allow however many AAA players as allowed.

I think we had 3 or 4 made up AAA guys. I dont see why we cant just extend the draft another few rounds to fill those spots

[oso diablo]

in, and that was my idea to use a normal draft slot - as the drafter's discretion - to pick a "future pick". I think it's brilliantly diabolical, or diabolically brilliant. I don't think you need any other rules around it, other than to decide when you want to hold that future draft.

[Hoos First]

Go ahead and throw the future pick in. Limit it to 1. What is it gonna hurt? Could add something to the draft.

[Eephus]

in, and that was my idea to use a normal draft slot - as the drafter's discretion - to pick a "future pick". I think it's brilliantly diabolical, or diabolically brilliant. I don't think you need any other rules around it, other than to decide when you want to hold that future draft.

Don't tear a UCL patting yourself on the back

[scoobus]

1. Eephus
2. Cheese
3. Brady Marino
4. Bogart
5. Scoobus
6. TU
7. Boubucarow
8. JFranco
9. TRE
10. Hoos First
11. Kraft
12. Moops
13. Arsenal of Doom
14. Larry Boy
15. Dr. Detroit/???
16. SoCalBroncoFan
17. Oso Diablo

[oso diablo]

in, and that was my idea to use a normal draft slot - as the drafter's discretion - to pick a "future pick". I think it's brilliantly diabolical, or diabolically brilliant. I don't think you need any other rules around it, other than to decide when you want to hold that future draft.

Don't tear a UCL patting yourself on the back

i have so little

[Eephus]

1. Eephus - OK with mid-season but not end-of-season supplemental
2. Cheese
3. Brady Marino
4. Bogart
5. Scoobus
6. TU
7. Boubucarow - no supplemental
8. JFranco - supplemental
9. TRE - opposed to supplemental last year IIRZC
10. Hoos First
11. Kraft
12. Moops
13. Arsenal of Doom - supplemental
14. Larry Boy
15. Dr. Detroit/???
16. SoCalBroncoFan
17. Oso Diablo - supplemental

Others?
RnR, Doug B, Greco,

[RnR]

Others?
RnR

Naturally.

[Eephus]

Others?
RnR

Naturally.

Still anti-supp?

[scoobus]

no supplemental

[Spartans Rule]

IN

[Spartans Rule]

Smaller or bigger league
Supplemental draft(s)?
Auction
Who retired this year?
Is James Loney going to break out?

Preferably same size, maybe smaller, certainly not bigger
Probably not
Nah
Hopefully Brandon Inge
Yes, 2008-11 are outliers. 2007 was the real deal.

[Brady Marino]

I think a league of 20 would be suitable, and we seem to have that already.

Oh, and yes on supplemental.

[Sammy3469]

In

[the moops]

no supplemental for mr

[Spartans Rule]

I think a league of 20 would be suitable, and we seem to have that already.

The issue there would be schedule formats. I think the 20-team schedules only allow for 2 or 4 in the playoffs.