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That sounds great for a movie, but unfortunately that script looks more fantasy than reality.
There is way to much that doesn't add up. Yahoo and others were reporting that Manning was EFFECTIVELY done a couple of weeks ago. I don't think they made stuff up to come to that conclusion. Last I saw from certain factions, Manning could miss most or all of next year with a decent chance he would be done altogther. The logic being that his nerve endings should have regenerated by now and that there was nothing to account for why they hadn't healed. No one knew anything for sure, but there was as much chance they wouldn't get any better than they are now.Those were the reports I had read. I don't know what to make of them, as talking heads since then have chosen to completely ignore those reports in favor of trying to figure out which team will Manning will sign with and how much he will get paid. Personally, I think we have seen the last of the old Peyton Manning. I am hopeful we get to see any form of Peyton Manning again, but I think if he comes back he will have to reinvent himself as something else. I doubt he will be an elite QB again (although I would be happy to be wrong).
Look what has happened the last 10 years in the NFL, these two guys were both #1 picks overall and both have managed to carve out 4 SB appearances between the 2 of them. It's been a fairy tale for some time.
The crux of what I read was his nerve endings (according to some) are either better by now or they're not. Add 6 months, 12 months, 60 months and some folks think it won't matter. Accorinf to them, what Manning is now is how Manning will be. At least that's one school of thought. Manning certain doesn't think that is the case.I won't even pretend to be a doctor, but if there is no other way to stimulate nerve or tissue regrowth I think Manning is in trouble. If he indeed is not going to get better, he then needs to work on building muscle tone around his affected areas to make up for what he doesn't have to work with.As a for instance, I have a messed up ankle. I had surgical options available, but my docs told me I needed to just live with my ankle the way it was, as having multiple surgies might leave it worse than it was pre-surgery. So instead I did a ton of speciality rehab exercises and training to build up the tissue and muscle around my ankle as a PLAN B. While I am not "all better," I am much closer to 100% than I was before.In Manning's case, he may have to do something similar or learn to live with a weaker arm or position himself differently to throw the ball in general (or fully turn his entire body to throw to the left whereas he did not need to do that in the past). Whether that is the recipe for a pro quarterback is hard to say at this point. I am sure he will have the top specialists out there to help him, so I would guess if there is a solution or a workaround, he will get the right people involved to make it happen.
QB's have been known to hang around even after physically they can't do it anymore. Dan Marino had no business on a football field his last year yet there he was.
And last year's Super Bowl was the highest rated show ever... The 2013 Super Bowl will probably top this year's. Mannings do sell, but so do markets like New York and Boston. Cowboys/Jets would have been just as big, maybe bigger.
ha!FWIW its worth, an ex-player (I think Marcellus Wiley IIRC) was on mike and Mike the other day and was talking about the nerve regeneration issue, as he had a similar surgery during his playing days. He basically said he couldn't do anything afterwards either. For months. Everyone said he was done and then, literally one day it just clicked and he was able to do everything he could before. Now, I'm not saying its the same for Manning; but Wiley, speaking as an athlete who went through the same nerve-regeneration issues, said he was 100% sure manning would be playing in 2012.
Nice post.
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I came here to post the same. Wiley believes Manning will be back and in the mold of the "Old Manning".
This is the kind of posts that I love about the Shark Pool. I hate the bad news for my favorite player, but I'm glad we have posters like this in the pool. You should post more often.
Good stuff. How much does Peyton being an elite athlete impact recovery on this type of surgery? My limited experience working with people who have various injuries shows me that the better in shape a person is, the more likely they are to recover from various ailments.
Link to the podcast where Wiley explains how he suffered a nerve injury in camp and how he came back in dramatic fashion.His take shows the inside conversations/doubt/uncertainty that he went thru but he has been through the process and he understands that when the nerve is injured that you cannot do anything but when it comes back, it comes back suddenly and at full-strength.
Being back and being BACK are two different things. I'm not sure how anyone can say, "Manning should eventually be able to make a full recovery". Nothing could be more uncertain.Link to the podcast where Wiley explains how he suffered a nerve injury in camp and how he came back in dramatic fashion.His take shows the inside conversations/doubt/uncertainty that he went thru but he has been through the process and he understands that when the nerve is injured that you cannot do anything but when it comes back, it comes back suddenly and at full-strength.
He found Peyton at the Super Bowl and was able to corral him away to a corner and talk to him man-to-man. He said he looked into Peyton's eyes and saw that he IS coming back.
Wiley is sure that Peyton will be back but you cannot put a timeline on the exact date but Wiley has been there/done that and he knows when it happens that Peyton will be back suddenly and at full-strength.
Go down to the following podcast to hear the segment.
Mike & Mike podcast with Marcellus Wiley
On Peyton Manning: 2/10
Mike Golic and Marcellus Wiley comment on Peyton Manning's future. Wiley discusses the difficulties of dealing with a nerve injury and says that Manning should eventually be able to make a full recovery.
Audio Podcast | February 10, 2012
Might be able to argue the opposite too. At this athleticism level, there's very little margin for error. I don't think this is a case where an "80%" Manning is better than, say, Sanchez. If Manning has 5% less velocity on his passes and loses 5% in accuracy, is that enough of a drop to make him an ineffective quarterback?For what it's worth, I've dealt with a pinched nerve in my neck for nearly 5 years. Either C5/C6 or C6/C7. Can't remember. After the initial injury (slip on wood floor), it took 6 weeks for the pain to go away and months before everything stabilized. Agitated nerves take weeks to months to de-swell, and months to more than a year to regrow. And for me, stabilized means that I have limited feeling in two fingers in my right hand and occasional neck pain (extended plane travel, for example). I've adapted so I rarely think about it but I've aggravated my neck twice since then, putting me right back into bed and walking around like an 80 year-old man. Doctor said I could consider surgery but there's less than a 50% chance that I would get better and a chance it could get worse. He said I should try to learn to live with it. So I do. And it's not that bad. But I am very careful. And I don't consider contact sports. Last time I aggravated it, I was head-banging on the dance floor at a wedding.'FUBAR said:
Edit: I think he's done too.Wiley presumes that the nerve WILL snap back.Unfortunately, the more likely path is that the nerve does not recover and Manning plays like Fitzpatrick'Bracie Smathers said:Link to the podcast where Wiley explains how he suffered a nerve injury in camp and how he came back in dramatic fashion.His take shows the inside conversations/doubt/uncertainty that he went thru but he has been through the process and he understands that when the nerve is injured that you cannot do anything but when it comes back, it comes back suddenly and at full-strength.'Rodeojones said:'unckeyherb said:
He found Peyton at the Super Bowl and was able to corral him away to a corner and talk to him man-to-man. He said he looked into Peyton's eyes and saw that he IS coming back.
Wiley is sure that Peyton will be back but you cannot put a timeline on the exact date but Wiley has been there/done that and he knows when it happens that Peyton will be back suddenly and at full-strength.
Go down to the following podcast to hear the segment.
Mike & Mike podcast with Marcellus Wiley
On Peyton Manning: 2/10
Mike Golic and Marcellus Wiley comment on Peyton Manning's future. Wiley discusses the difficulties of dealing with a nerve injury and says that Manning should eventually be able to make a full recovery.
Audio Podcast | February 10, 2012
Many are assuming teh nerve WON'T snap back.Wiley plaed defensive end in the National Football League.Wiley presumes that the nerve WILL snap back.Unfortunately, the more likely path is that the nerve does not recover and Manning plays like Fitzpatrick'Bracie Smathers said:Link to the podcast where Wiley explains how he suffered a nerve injury in camp and how he came back in dramatic fashion.His take shows the inside conversations/doubt/uncertainty that he went thru but he has been through the process and he understands that when the nerve is injured that you cannot do anything but when it comes back, it comes back suddenly and at full-strength.'Rodeojones said:'unckeyherb said:
He found Peyton at the Super Bowl and was able to corral him away to a corner and talk to him man-to-man. He said he looked into Peyton's eyes and saw that he IS coming back.
Wiley is sure that Peyton will be back but you cannot put a timeline on the exact date but Wiley has been there/done that and he knows when it happens that Peyton will be back suddenly and at full-strength.
Go down to the following podcast to hear the segment.
Mike & Mike podcast with Marcellus Wiley
On Peyton Manning: 2/10
Mike Golic and Marcellus Wiley comment on Peyton Manning's future. Wiley discusses the difficulties of dealing with a nerve injury and says that Manning should eventually be able to make a full recovery.
Audio Podcast | February 10, 2012
I think this is true for almost all injuries and illnesses, but to a much lesser extent with nerve injuries. I mean lets be realistic, the two most important things to throwing a ball to a qb with distance and accuracy are triceps strength and fine motor control in the fingers/ grip. At the cervical level he has affected these are the two things that get nailed.Trust me, I was / am almost on disability for this and I am a freakin er doctor, not an nfl qb getting hit every Sunday. The most physically demanding thing I do is relocate hip dislocations, and those about kill me. When they report there is no risk of him getting "permanently injured" I think they are referring to the fact that his bones successfully fused, which is the case for 99% of one level anterior cervical fusions (including mine). What they aren't reporting is that his radicular symptoms (which are the root of his problems now) can get worse at any time. You get facet disease at the level of the fusion. They also dont mention you have an increased risk of blowing out the disc above or below becaused the fused bones act as a fulcrum - that is what happened to me exercising 2years after my fusion, I blew out the disc above. He's done. And if he's not, he should come visit my reality and I bet I could convince him!!!! He's being foolish if he goes back. He should take the oc job.'FUBAR said:
Whether Marcellus Wiley came back has absolutely no bearing on whether Peyton Manning will come back. Their injuries were completely different and their bodies are completely different. His comments are irrelevant.
Whether Marcellus Wiley came back has absolutely no bearing on whether Peyton Manning will come back. Their injuries were completely different and their bodies are completely different. His comments are irrelevant.
If he has a significantly higher risk of badly injuring his neck after a sack, he should be done. (I'm not sure it that's what you mean, or just for those two discs)
Wiley not only played in the NFL he played at a Pro Bowl level and is still active in the NFL community, people on this board most likely have never played in the NFL.Wiley had nerve damage and made a full recovery while playing in the NFL, people on this board may or may not have had nerve damage but if Wiley's injury and his perspective cannot be used because his injury and position played was soo different then why would I give creedence to some board post concerning a similiar injury to have any rellavence at all in any manner?Wiley actually saw and spoke with Peyton Manning. I doubt any poster has spoken with Peyton Manning let alone spoke with him pertaining to his injury recently as did Wiley.Taking everything into perspective I side with Marcellus Wiley because he holds far more rellavence than any poster on this board and specifically in this thread. My opinion is that Peyton Manning will come back at full strength but I do not know when he will come back.
Way to completely miss the point.
Here's a plan to rein in the out-of-control health care expense costs in this country; just get rid of the medical establishment altogether. Diagnosis is best made by some guy who works in the same industry as you, and it can be done verbally without a physical examination. Who needs doctors?
No he won't.
Yes he will.
Did Weinke have 3 neck surgeries in 19 monts (or whichever the timetable is)All neck surgeries are not the same
While I applaud the use of actual statistics (for the first time in this thread including myself), but it would be interesting to know the subset of players who had a one level lower cervical fusion and how they did.I dont have the time to provide references (but it is easily googleable), there are plenty of studies that show the risk in the general public of blowing out a disc above or below after a lower cervical fusion. Logically and medically, that risk has to be higher when you are an nfl player. It is simple physicis - the fused segment acts as a fulcrum. His nerve damage may well improve, but my point is that the guy has enough money and fame that he is a moron to risk it. It is indisputable medical fact that he is at risk of further injuries.
If the comments of an ex-pro-bowl caliber NFL player, speaking about the nerve regeneration issues he went through-both physically and mentally- and relating them to the similar issues of a current-pro-bowl caliber NFL player (going so far as to seek out that player and discuss those issue with him, is irrelevant...whose opinion IS relevant?'CalBear said:
The opinions of medical professionals who've actually examined the patient. Marcellus Wiley has no more insight into Manning's situation than you do.
That's using your head.
