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[loqutis]

Consensus PPR Dynasty Rankings- WR 10

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. AJ Green
4. Hakeem Nicks
5. Julio Jones
6. Andre Johnson
7. Mike Wallace
8. Greg Jennings
9. Dez Bryant

[doowain]

I can't imagine anyone in any of my dynasty leagues trading Britt, Harvin, or Cruz for Welker. But, I play in competitive leagues, so...

Went Britt. Again.

[Banemorth]

How is Jordy Nelson not an option?

[lbouchard]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

[Banemorth]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

[doowain]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

Lots of redraft players play dynasty too. Those same players usually bail in Year 3 because of these exact dynasty valuations.

[imagroid]

I can't imagine anyone in any of my dynasty leagues trading Britt, Harvin, or Cruz for Welker. But, I play in competitive leagues, so...

Went Britt. Again.

I don't doubt the competitiveness of your leagues, but I think the above can be somewhat attributed to you playing in several leagues with like-minded owners. They all want their young WR's and they all want a team with sub 25 yo players that will be primed to dominate 2-3+ years out.

[loose circuits]

Antonio brown

[lbouchard]

Antonio brown

lol but seriously whos your pick?

[Penguin Bites]

Have to go Britt here...

[nickdib]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

Because a lot of people value consistent great production over a few great games

[Banemorth]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

Because a lot of people value consistent great production over a few great games

Marshall is a head case I wouldn't touch in Dynasty and Welker is getting up there. A beast no doubt but I think last season was his best. These are dynasty rankings are they not?

[nickdib]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

Because a lot of people value consistent great production over a few great games

Marshall is a head case I wouldn't touch in Dynasty and Welker is getting up there. A beast no doubt but I think last season was his best. These are dynasty rankings are they not?

They are but in PPR welker is an absolute monster and I would MUCH rather have him every week than a few weeks of britt

[loqutis]

Few more votes and I'll pull the winner. Really close right now.

[RavenLunatic]

Also don't forget we are talking about the #10 WR. I think at WR10 is when the current studs get their due. Otherwise why not just say the WR rankings of under 25.

Last time I checked you actually want to win the league...not always be waiting to win.

How are you going to rank Calvin Johnson in 3 years?

[Crazy Tony]

I'm less focused one who will be the #1 PPR guy. I'm more focused on who will be producing and exceeding expectations.
I hear all of this talk about Demarius Thomas (whose stock goes up) but I think Eric DECKER is the value play here.
Decker will be consistent and utilized by Manning. Thomas can be the home run guy while Decker bats for average and still gets a lot RBIs.

To me. PPRs guys = consistent because they get more targets and catches but fewer big plays and TDs... Might not have the same upside all of the time but I'd rather have a few 10-15pts each week guys than all 3-30pts/week guys (Desean Jackson boom/bust)

Nothing about Kenny Britt's past production says PPR champ. He's a very talented WR but in 3 years hasn't been consistent for an entire season. This throws off his value. Talent his higher than production. People value him higher than he's actually producing. Waiting on him to get up to level.
2011 17/289/3
2010 42/775/9
2009 42/701/3

I like Jordy Nelson but I don't know if it's realistic to expect him to score 15 TDs each year. Maybe.
Nelson 68/1263/15 but if his TDs are 7 or 9 in 2012 it's a good year but not as consistent w/o a big increase in receptions.

WELKER is the champ. So I don't know why people wouldn't pick him again unless they expect him to hold out this season.

122/1569/9 2011
86/848/7 2010 15 games
123/1348/4 2009 14 games
111/1365/3 2008
112/1175/8 2007
67/687/1 2006 Miami


#of players with 100 REC season....magic # is 170 targets it seems.

2006 =1
103, Andre Johnson 165 targets
*93, Torry Holt 178 targets
*92, Donald Driver 171 targets

2007=6
104, RWayne 156 targets
100, LFitz 167 targets
112, TJ Housh 169 targets
102, BMarshall 170 targets
112, Welker 145 targets 77.2%!!! Efficient
103, DMason 164 targets

2008 = 3
115, AndreJohnson 170 targets
104, B Marshall 181 targets
111, Welker 150 targets

2009 =5
101, Andre Johnson 171 targets
100, Reggie Wayne 149 targets
101, BMarshall 154 targets 15 games
107, Steve Smith (NYG) 157 targets
123, Welker 162 targets

2010 =2
115, Roddy White 177 targets
111, Reggie Wayne 175 targets
*86, Welker 123 targets
*86, Marshall 146 targets (14games)
*90, LFitz on 172 targets...first failure to get 100rec on 170 targets.

2011 = 2
122, Welker targets 173
100, Roddy White targets 179

MOST 100rec seasons occur when player is targeted 170 times or more during a season.
WELKER has only had 1 season (2011) where he's had 170+ targets.
Targets/REC for welker:
145/112, 150/111, 162/123, 123/86, 173/122

Fewest Targets for 100REC since 2006
Welker 145/112
Wayne 149/100
Welker 150/111
Marshall 154/101
Wayne 156/104
SMithNYG 157/107

If you're getting 170 targets you're no secret. If you get 160 targets there's a chance you'll have a great year and reach 100 but oh well.
A few players did really well to break 100 with less than 160.

What to look for:
High % catch guys w/ lower targets...with reason to believe more targets coming their way.
High target guys low catch % ...but improved situation that would lend to more accurate balls to = more catches.

High %:
CORRECT: HARVIN 120/87 72.5% Ponder will have extra year under his belt.
INCORRECT: L.MOORE 72/52 72.2% Not enough targets for high level production.

High Target Low %:
CORRECT: B.LLOYD 150/70 46.7% Was with RAMS Reunited with Jeff McDaniels in NE w/ T Brady throwing to him. Will he get targets with Welker/Gronk/Hernandez? Probably they pass a lot. If anything his % should go up even if targets go down.
INCORRECT: HOLMES 100/51 51% Sanchez/Tebow not known as most accurate players. They need to work on this and there aren't a lot of targets.

Larry Fitzgerald could be in this category as MAYBE. In large part it depends on QB play.

In summary....Suck IT!

[finito]

But, I play in competitive leagues, so...

lol.

[az_prof]

went britt again. i wouldnt trade him for any players that are an option, or the WRs listed 6-9

I voted Britt too. I wouldn't take Nelson over Britt but I like Nelson better than some options up there. No idea how Welker AND Marshall have more votes than Britt.

Britt is all potential and no show. He has a horrible QB situation. Is coming off a serious injury. And has never produced an elite year. To top it off, he has character concerns.

He is one of the most over rated WRs in dynasty if you ask me. Both Welker and Marshall have produced multiple, consecutive elite years. Also, this is PPR. They are both PPR monsters. And Marshall is now reunited with Cutler, which whom he had two 100+ catch seasons.

[Pictus Cat]

I'm less focused one who will be the #1 PPR guy. I'm more focused on who will be producing and exceeding expectations.
I hear all of this talk about Demarius Thomas (whose stock goes up) but I think Eric DECKER is the value play here.
Decker will be consistent and utilized by Manning. Thomas can be the home run guy while Decker bats for average and still gets a lot RBIs.

To me. PPRs guys = consistent because they get more targets and catches but fewer big plays and TDs... Might not have the same upside all of the time but I'd rather have a few 10-15pts each week guys than all 3-30pts/week guys (Desean Jackson boom/bust)

Nothing about Kenny Britt's past production says PPR champ. He's a very talented WR but in 3 years hasn't been consistent for an entire season. This throws off his value. Talent his higher than production. People value him higher than he's actually producing. Waiting on him to get up to level.
2011 17/289/3
2010 42/775/9
2009 42/701/3

I like Jordy Nelson but I don't know if it's realistic to expect him to score 15 TDs each year. Maybe.
Nelson 68/1263/15 but if his TDs are 7 or 9 in 2012 it's a good year but not as consistent w/o a big increase in receptions.

WELKER is the champ. So I don't know why people wouldn't pick him again unless they expect him to hold out this season.

122/1569/9 2011
86/848/7 2010 15 games
123/1348/4 2009 14 games
111/1365/3 2008
112/1175/8 2007
67/687/1 2006 Miami


#of players with 100 REC season....magic # is 170 targets it seems.

2006 =1
103, Andre Johnson 165 targets
*93, Torry Holt 178 targets
*92, Donald Driver 171 targets

2007=6
104, RWayne 156 targets
100, LFitz 167 targets
112, TJ Housh 169 targets
102, BMarshall 170 targets
112, Welker 145 targets 77.2%!!! Efficient
103, DMason 164 targets

2008 = 3
115, AndreJohnson 170 targets
104, B Marshall 181 targets
111, Welker 150 targets

2009 =5
101, Andre Johnson 171 targets
100, Reggie Wayne 149 targets
101, BMarshall 154 targets 15 games
107, Steve Smith (NYG) 157 targets
123, Welker 162 targets

2010 =2
115, Roddy White 177 targets
111, Reggie Wayne 175 targets
*86, Welker 123 targets
*86, Marshall 146 targets (14games)
*90, LFitz on 172 targets...first failure to get 100rec on 170 targets.

2011 = 2
122, Welker targets 173
100, Roddy White targets 179

MOST 100rec seasons occur when player is targeted 170 times or more during a season.
WELKER has only had 1 season (2011) where he's had 170+ targets.
Targets/REC for welker:
145/112, 150/111, 162/123, 123/86, 173/122

Fewest Targets for 100REC since 2006
Welker 145/112
Wayne 149/100
Welker 150/111
Marshall 154/101
Wayne 156/104
SMithNYG 157/107

If you're getting 170 targets you're no secret. If you get 160 targets there's a chance you'll have a great year and reach 100 but oh well.
A few players did really well to break 100 with less than 160.

What to look for:
High % catch guys w/ lower targets...with reason to believe more targets coming their way.
High target guys low catch % ...but improved situation that would lend to more accurate balls to = more catches.

High %:
CORRECT: HARVIN 120/87 72.5% Ponder will have extra year under his belt.
INCORRECT: L.MOORE 72/52 72.2% Not enough targets for high level production.

High Target Low %:
CORRECT: B.LLOYD 150/70 46.7% Was with RAMS Reunited with Jeff McDaniels in NE w/ T Brady throwing to him. Will he get targets with Welker/Gronk/Hernandez? Probably they pass a lot. If anything his % should go up even if targets go down.
INCORRECT: HOLMES 100/51 51% Sanchez/Tebow not known as most accurate players. They need to work on this and there aren't a lot of targets.

Larry Fitzgerald could be in this category as MAYBE. In large part it depends on QB play.

In summary....Suck IT!

Would Meachem leaving make Lance Moore a less desirable example assuming his targets might go up?

[az_prof]

I'm less focused one who will be the #1 PPR guy. I'm more focused on who will be producing and exceeding expectations.
I hear all of this talk about Demarius Thomas (whose stock goes up) but I think Eric DECKER is the value play here.
Decker will be consistent and utilized by Manning. Thomas can be the home run guy while Decker bats for average and still gets a lot RBIs.

To me. PPRs guys = consistent because they get more targets and catches but fewer big plays and TDs... Might not have the same upside all of the time but I'd rather have a few 10-15pts each week guys than all 3-30pts/week guys (Desean Jackson boom/bust)

Nothing about Kenny Britt's past production says PPR champ. He's a very talented WR but in 3 years hasn't been consistent for an entire season. This throws off his value. Talent his higher than production. People value him higher than he's actually producing. Waiting on him to get up to level.
2011 17/289/3
2010 42/775/9
2009 42/701/3

I like Jordy Nelson but I don't know if it's realistic to expect him to score 15 TDs each year. Maybe.
Nelson 68/1263/15 but if his TDs are 7 or 9 in 2012 it's a good year but not as consistent w/o a big increase in receptions.

WELKER is the champ. So I don't know why people wouldn't pick him again unless they expect him to hold out this season.

122/1569/9 2011
86/848/7 2010 15 games
123/1348/4 2009 14 games
111/1365/3 2008
112/1175/8 2007
67/687/1 2006 Miami


#of players with 100 REC season....magic # is 170 targets it seems.

2006 =1
103, Andre Johnson 165 targets
*93, Torry Holt 178 targets
*92, Donald Driver 171 targets

2007=6
104, RWayne 156 targets
100, LFitz 167 targets
112, TJ Housh 169 targets
102, BMarshall 170 targets
112, Welker 145 targets 77.2%!!! Efficient
103, DMason 164 targets

2008 = 3
115, AndreJohnson 170 targets
104, B Marshall 181 targets
111, Welker 150 targets

2009 =5
101, Andre Johnson 171 targets
100, Reggie Wayne 149 targets
101, BMarshall 154 targets 15 games
107, Steve Smith (NYG) 157 targets
123, Welker 162 targets

2010 =2
115, Roddy White 177 targets
111, Reggie Wayne 175 targets
*86, Welker 123 targets
*86, Marshall 146 targets (14games)
*90, LFitz on 172 targets...first failure to get 100rec on 170 targets.

2011 = 2
122, Welker targets 173
100, Roddy White targets 179

MOST 100rec seasons occur when player is targeted 170 times or more during a season.
WELKER has only had 1 season (2011) where he's had 170+ targets.
Targets/REC for welker:
145/112, 150/111, 162/123, 123/86, 173/122

Fewest Targets for 100REC since 2006
Welker 145/112
Wayne 149/100
Welker 150/111
Marshall 154/101
Wayne 156/104
SMithNYG 157/107

If you're getting 170 targets you're no secret. If you get 160 targets there's a chance you'll have a great year and reach 100 but oh well.
A few players did really well to break 100 with less than 160.

What to look for:
High % catch guys w/ lower targets...with reason to believe more targets coming their way.
High target guys low catch % ...but improved situation that would lend to more accurate balls to = more catches.

High %:
CORRECT: HARVIN 120/87 72.5% Ponder will have extra year under his belt.
INCORRECT: L.MOORE 72/52 72.2% Not enough targets for high level production.

High Target Low %:
CORRECT: B.LLOYD 150/70 46.7% Was with RAMS Reunited with Jeff McDaniels in NE w/ T Brady throwing to him. Will he get targets with Welker/Gronk/Hernandez? Probably they pass a lot. If anything his % should go up even if targets go down.
INCORRECT: HOLMES 100/51 51% Sanchez/Tebow not known as most accurate players. They need to work on this and there aren't a lot of targets.

Larry Fitzgerald could be in this category as MAYBE. In large part it depends on QB play.

In summary....Suck IT!

Would Meachem leaving make Lance Moore a less desirable example assuming his targets might go up?

I don't think so because I expect either someone on the team or a rookie will be asked to fill Meachem's role. I doubt they stop going with the 4WR sets and only use 3WR sets now.