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Pierre Garcon, WR, Washington Redskins (1 Viewer)

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The story of Garcon’s career to date has been this simmering level of bust-out potential that has for circumstances both within and beyond his control prevented him from truly becoming a fantasy force. With the disaster that was the Colts QB situation last year, Garcon was effectively useful for only 3 games last season where he posted a ridiculous 16/421/6 line. The other 13 – #### on a bull.

But if you harken back to the 2010 season, when he actually had QB throwing him the ball…I felt Garcon was able to start to establish some consistency. In his final 9 games in that season (including their playoff loss), Garcon produced to a prorated 16 game total of 87/1047/11 as the #2 option in that passing attack. During that period, he had but 1 game where he totaled fewer than 5 receptions. And during the same time period, Reggie Wayne put up a prorated figure of 94/1124/5. Could the argument have been made that Garcon was doing to Wayne what Wayne had done earlier to Harrison which was to at the very least be the 1b option to 1a?

No doubt, Garcon was catching passes from an MVP caliber player, and despite whatever hype RGIII generates…Garcon will still be catching passes from an inferior option than to the one he had his best stretch of production under. BUT, breakout sleeper potential exists here because I think previous perceptions will work against him. Garcon was always seen to have a ton of natural ability, but coming out of Mount Union, was extremely raw. He’ll only have just turned 26 when the season starts so the idea that he has acclimated to the NFL game while approaching the peak of his physical abilities is valid.

The wild-card will be RGIII himself. Can he approach the same level of success as previous years highly drafted QB’s (aside from Gabbert)? His pre-season performance will allow some sort of indication here (Ryan, Newton, Stafford had good stretches in pre-season that ultimately acted as a pre-cursor to their rookie succesess). Ultimately, Garcon’s range of performance is as wide as any player and you’ll be placing a big bet on him if you draft him. But currently, Garcon is being drafted as WR32. There is literally no downside here and I suspect by the time drafting season rolls around, he’ll have climbed into the 5th round range. But he has WR1 upside and if you’re willing to roll the dice…you may wind up with a gem.

Prediction: 83 Receptions, 1112 Receiving Yards (with potential for 1200+), 9 TD’s; 3 Rushes, 19 Rushing Yards.

 
No idea how Garcon is flying under the radar again. Finished at WR#28 (PPG/PPR) last year with QBs from hell, #29 the year before that, was highly courted in FA and signed an $8m/year contract to go to Washington and be the man. Yet somehow he's currently projected to be barely startable -- giving up significant targets not only to the presumptive #2WR, Leonard Hankerson, but also Santana Moss and Josh Morgan. No one at FBGs currently has him with more than 61 catches.

I think it's much more likely that Garcon plays the role he was paid to play -- #1 WR. Starting with the FBGs projections for the WAS offense as a whole I think something like 79-1100-8 is more likely. Good for WR#15-20, as well as some respect.

 
'wdcrob said:
No one at FBGs currently has him with more than 61 catches.

I think it's much more likely that Garcon plays the role he was paid to play -- #1 WR. Starting with the FBGs projections for the WAS offense as a whole I think something like 79-1100-8 is more likely. Good for WR#15-20, as well as some respect.
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He was paid to play it, but...I don't think he is. Career 53% reception rate, including two years with perhaps the best QB in the history of the NFL. I never really saw a very versatile skill set out of him, and although he cut back on the drops a ton in 2011, his positioning still didn't impress me. He's okay to good, but there isn't a particular thing he does really well.I don't know how good Griffin will be, but even if he's a 4000-yard passer in year 1, I'm not sure any Washington WR really blows up this year. It's a pretty weak group. I think Fred Davis will lead them and be a 900-yard type guy. As for Garcon, I expect something around 64/850/5 TD. Decent numbers and probably worth his current ADP (late 7th/early 8th), but not a star. I was pretty surprised to see the first three responses to this spotlight all projecting him for over 1000 yards.

 
'We Tigers said:
'wdcrob said:
No one at FBGs currently has him with more than 61 catches.

I think it's much more likely that Garcon plays the role he was paid to play -- #1 WR. Starting with the FBGs projections for the WAS offense as a whole I think something like 79-1100-8 is more likely. Good for WR#15-20, as well as some respect.
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He was paid to play it, but...I don't think he is. Career 53% reception rate, including two years with perhaps the best QB in the history of the NFL. I never really saw a very versatile skill set out of him, and although he cut back on the drops a ton in 2011, his positioning still didn't impress me. He's okay to good, but there isn't a particular thing he does really well.I don't know how good Griffin will be, but even if he's a 4000-yard passer in year 1, I'm not sure any Washington WR really blows up this year. It's a pretty weak group. I think Fred Davis will lead them and be a 900-yard type guy. As for Garcon, I expect something around 64/850/5 TD. Decent numbers and probably worth his current ADP (late 7th/early 8th), but not a star. I was pretty surprised to see the first three responses to this spotlight all projecting him for over 1000 yards.
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Yes and the problem with Garcon has historically been that he does it sporadically. Disappearing here and there and then you miss his 20 point games because he's on the pine.
 
'We Tigers said:
He was paid to play it, but...I don't think he is.
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This is the heart of it. Some people just don't think he is. I'm not sure why since he's got great size and speed, is athletic as hell and was judged by several NFL teams to be worth $7-8 million/year.Regardless, catch percentage is driven almost entirely by QB quality and role in the offense. Garcon's was 57% in his third year with Manning (in line with other outside WRs) and regressed to 52% last year with Orlovsky, Painter and etc -- which happens to be exactly what Fitzgerald put up with Kolb and Skelton. When you're a deep threat and your QBs complete 56.5% of their passes that's just what happens.[/Pet Peeve]
 
'wdcrob said:
'We Tigers said:
He was paid to play it, but...I don't think he is.
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This is the heart of it. Some people just don't think he is. I'm not sure why since he's got great size and speed, is athletic as hell and was judged by several NFL teams to be worth $7-8 million/year.Regardless, catch percentage is driven almost entirely by QB quality and role in the offense. Garcon's was 57% in his third year with Manning (in line with other outside WRs) and regressed to 52% last year with Orlovsky, Painter and etc -- which happens to be exactly what Fitzgerald put up with Kolb and Skelton. When you're a deep threat and your QBs complete 56.5% of their passes that's just what happens.[/Pet Peeve]
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Sure, but I will be very surprised if Griffin throws much better than that in year 1 on a not very talented Washington team. I don't expect him to break 60%. My point about not being impressed by/convinced by Garcon is kinda borne out by how you describe him. Size, speed, athleticism, yes, but nothing about his routes, his body control, and so on. He has a lot of the measurables but I haven't seen him really put it all together yet.All that said, I think a lot of my skepticism is already factored into his low draft price. I might even draft him myself if the value is right at the time, just with fairly modest expectations.
 
72-1070-7 TDs

I like the fact he has worked through tough QB situations before. That speaks a lot to me...most guys at this level can put up pinball numbers when featured or part of a system with a good QB. I like to see what a guy does when all heck breaks loose...because now I have his baseline. Even if things implode in Washington (i.e. Griffin lost for the year in week 1), the guy will come up with 60-875-6 TD...I like that, and I know it sounds silly, but that is my floor...I know if this guy steps on the field 14 times in a year (out of 16), I get that...very nice numbers as a FLOOR for a WR3 (which is where he is going...I actually got him as my WR3 in a 16 teamer).

Now that we established a floor, we need to look at the the ceiling. I am not a Griffin fan, but I also did not believe in Cam. While I believe Newton was an outlier, I still think that Griffin can put up some nice numbers, and as many rookie QBs do, I think he will focus on a specific WR and TE. Moss is still there 9and that bears watching), but I have heard nice things from camp about Garcon and even if Moss sticks and does his thing, Shanny still had a team with Rod Smith-EdMcCaffrey-Shannon Sharpe (and he was able to keep each "in business", and now he has the poor man's version in Garcon-Moss-Fred Smith. I could see a ceiling of 75-1250-10TDs, but like the middle of my above projection.

 
Reggie wayne, dallas Clark and Peyton manning made this guy look a lot better than he is.

If the Redskins have that kind of QB and those type of 1 and 1A options that teams have to pay attnetion to before considering Garcon, then I guess he will be as good as he has been.

If they don't, then I suspect that we will see another reminder of how getting paid as a #1 doesn't necessarily translate into performing like one.

I can see hankerson taking abigger step up than garcon. I can see Davis being the best/most reliable receiver on that team. I can't say the same for garcon. Evey play can't be a bomb down the field.

 
'Shutout said:
Reggie wayne, dallas Clark and Peyton manning made this guy look a lot better than he is.If the Redskins have that kind of QB and those type of 1 and 1A options that teams have to pay attnetion to before considering Garcon, then I guess he will be as good as he has been.If they don't, then I suspect that we will see another reminder of how getting paid as a #1 doesn't necessarily translate into performing like one.I can see hankerson taking abigger step up than garcon. I can see Davis being the best/most reliable receiver on that team. I can't say the same for garcon. Evey play can't be a bomb down the field.
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What about that fantastic combination of Dan Orlovsky Curtis Painter and Kerry Collins ghost last year?Pierre is very strong and very athletic. He's had some production, but also has been banged up a bit. We'll see how he does this year, but don't take away what he's done the last few years. Last year he proved it wasn't just Manning making him look good.
 
'ty247 said:
'Shutout said:
Reggie wayne, dallas Clark and Peyton manning made this guy look a lot better than he is.If the Redskins have that kind of QB and those type of 1 and 1A options that teams have to pay attnetion to before considering Garcon, then I guess he will be as good as he has been.If they don't, then I suspect that we will see another reminder of how getting paid as a #1 doesn't necessarily translate into performing like one.I can see hankerson taking abigger step up than garcon. I can see Davis being the best/most reliable receiver on that team. I can't say the same for garcon. Evey play can't be a bomb down the field.
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What about that fantastic combination of Dan Orlovsky Curtis Painter and Kerry Collins ghost last year?Pierre is very strong and very athletic. He's had some production, but also has been banged up a bit. We'll see how he does this year, but don't take away what he's done the last few years. Last year he proved it wasn't just Manning making him look good.
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I think its actually the opposite. Like most have said here, sure he's big and fast and athletic, but he doesn't show the finer skills (the route running, the hands, etc).His production last year was basically a product of big plays where he was running under balls that were being chucked up in the air. That takes skill, certainly, but I really think you have to take last year off the table because it is SO skewed when trying to get a sense of Garcon because you have to have a sense of how many games they were getting drubbed in and as aresult, they were just running around and bombs away. Teams will give that stuff up when games are in hand and the results make it look like a lot of production but its actually not. I'm probably not explaining it well but I think its different when you are in that situation versus playing in games that are in the balance.I would rather see his production in other places. that would make me think it can translate to all game situations and not just garbage time. All 6 of his TDS came in three games. One of those games was against the terrible tampa defense and one was against the Patriots (which always dictates a shootout).11 of his games were 5 catches or less.12 of his games were 70 yards or less. Over the course of an entire season, that doesn't scream to me "the guy".
 
For crying out loud, is Garcon really a gametime decision?

Man that Griffin-Garcon connection was looking good vs the Saints.

Then boom, 80 yard TD grab and he hurts himself, how does that happen?

It is really looking like huge potential there this year.

 
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
For crying out loud, is Garcon really a gametime decision?Man that Griffin-Garcon connection was looking good vs the Saints.Then boom, 80 yard TD grab and he hurts himself, how does that happen?It is really looking like huge potential there this year.
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Where did you hear he's a GTD?
 
'Kuz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
For crying out loud, is Garcon really a gametime decision?Man that Griffin-Garcon connection was looking good vs the Saints.Then boom, 80 yard TD grab and he hurts himself, how does that happen?It is really looking like huge potential there this year.
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Where did you hear he's a GTD?
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he has a foot injury, didnt practice yesterday, ran drills on the sidelines today.
 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'Kuz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
For crying out loud, is Garcon really a gametime decision?Man that Griffin-Garcon connection was looking good vs the Saints.Then boom, 80 yard TD grab and he hurts himself, how does that happen?It is really looking like huge potential there this year.
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Where did you hear he's a GTD?
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he has a foot injury, didnt practice yesterday, ran drills on the sidelines today.
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Thanks - wonder how much this will hurt RG's numbers if he doesn't play..
 
'Kuz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
For crying out loud, is Garcon really a gametime decision?

Man that Griffin-Garcon connection was looking good vs the Saints.

Then boom, 80 yard TD grab and he hurts himself, how does that happen?

It is really looking like huge potential there this year.
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Where did you hear he's a GTD?
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Link.
Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said wide receiver Pierre Garcon was “very limited” in practice today, and coaches don’t know whether he can play Sunday. Garcon caught a series of passes from Robert Griffin III while standing still on the field following practice.

The Redskins’ top receiver didn’t stop for interviews afterward but said, “feeling good, feeling good,” and added that he had to go receive treatment.

Shanahan said that Aldrick Robinson could start if Garcon is unable to play. He said the team has a couple of options it is considering.
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Just thinking out loud here...since the nature of this injury seems to be somewhat cloudy...is there any way this is a Lis Franc - aka Darren McFadden 2011??

Have not heard ANYTHING to suggest that, but I know DMC owners were strung along for 5 weeks+ before the news finally came out. This situation just seems similar and makes me a little nervous...

 
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'sweetness34 said:
Just thinking out loud here...since the nature of this injury seems to be somewhat cloudy...is there any way this is a Lis Franc - aka Darren McFadden 2011??
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I have heard nothing which would suggest this is a Lisfranc injury. At this point, assuming such an injury would be mere conjecture. From the reports I have seen, this is not expected to cause Garcon to miss any significant time (Garcon has remained optimistic he will play Week #2), although I have heard no description of what the injury is, other than that the x-rays were negative.This is a situation I am watching intently . . .
 
'sweetness34 said:
Just thinking out loud here...since the nature of this injury seems to be somewhat cloudy...is there any way this is a Lis Franc - aka Darren McFadden 2011??Have not heard ANYTHING to suggest that, but I know DMC owners were strung along for 5 weeks+ before the news finally came out. This situation just seems similar and makes me a little nervous...
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kinda doubt its a lisfranc since was doing some work today and was listed as limited.
 
Mike Shanahan: Pierre Garcon's availability a matter of pain tolerance

Rich Campbell

Published on September 13, 2012

Redskins receiver Pierre Garcon was "very limited" in practice Thursday afternoon as he continues to work back from the right foot injury he suffered last Sunday against the New Orleans Saints, coach Mike Shanahan said. His status for this Sunday's game against the St. Louis Rams is undetermined.

"It’s just sore," Shanahan said. "Getting treatment on it. Got a little work in today, some drill work, so that was encouraging. We’ll see tomorrow how it is."

Garcon would not answer questions other than shouting, "Feelin' good! Feelin' good!" as he walked past reporters coming off the practice field.

Shanahan said Garcon is not at risk of doing greater damage to his foot. It's a pain tolerance issue, he said.

Garcon had four catches for 109 yards, including an 88-yard catch-and-run for a touchdown, against the Saints.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/sep/13/mike-shanahan-pierre-garcons-availability-matter-p/
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'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Garcon injury is the top of his foot. So no Lis franc. Not sure what the injury really is though. Shanny compared it to turf toe.
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I was reading is was the ball of his foot which is why Shanahan was comparing the pain to turf toe even though it is not. I am thinking this is the type of injury/pain that would respond to cortisone but who knows.
 
'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Garcon injury is the top of his foot. So no Lis franc. Not sure what the injury really is though. Shanny compared it to turf toe.
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I was reading is was the ball of his foot which is why Shanahan was comparing the pain to turf toe even though it is not. I am thinking this is the type of injury/pain that would respond to cortisone but who knows.
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The ball of your foot actually is turf toe.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Garcon injury is the top of his foot. So no Lis franc. Not sure what the injury really is though. Shanny compared it to turf toe.
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I was reading is was the ball of his foot which is why Shanahan was comparing the pain to turf toe even though it is not. I am thinking this is the type of injury/pain that would respond to cortisone but who knows.
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The ball of your foot actually is turf toe.
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Yes but you can have pain in the ball of your foot without it being turf toe. Shanahan said it was not turf toe but maybe that will be the ultimate diagnosis.
 
Wash Post first off the mark:

– Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said that receiver Pierre Garcon will be a game-time decision Sunday against the Rams because of his right foot injury.Shanahan said Garcon “got some good work in” during Friday’s practice, but didn’t practice fully.
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He did not practice Wednesday and was limited on Thursday and Friday. He'll be listed officially as "questionable" on the NFL's injury report, Shanahan added.“He got some work in there today,” Shanahan said. “He’s feeling better. We’ll work him out before the game and see if he can go full speed. It was an improvement.”For the second straight day, Shanahan said pain tolerance is likely to determine whether Garçon suits up against the Rams.“If you could go live with the pain, looks like he can go full speed, then you let him go,” the coach said. “But if it’s a situation where you’re going to make it a lot worse, then obviously the chances of him playing aren’t very good. But right now it’s pain tolerance. We’ll see before the game.”Shanahan also mentioned that Garçon could take medication to help ease the pain.If Garçon is unable to play, he’ll be replaced in the lineup by Aldrick Robinson.
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'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Garcon injury is the top of his foot. So no Lis franc. Not sure what the injury really is though. Shanny compared it to turf toe.
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I was reading is was the ball of his foot which is why Shanahan was comparing the pain to turf toe even though it is not. I am thinking this is the type of injury/pain that would respond to cortisone but who knows.
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The ball of your foot actually is turf toe.
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Yes but you can have pain in the ball of your foot without it being turf toe. Shanahan said it was not turf toe but maybe that will be the ultimate diagnosis.
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Redskins receiver Pierre Garcon will be a game-time decision, coach Mike Shanahan said, after being limited in practice the past two days because of a bruised right foot.http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-garcon-a-game-time-decision/article/2508040#.UFOFRo2PW11

PG needs to man up this week...

 
Better make other plans...

‏@JasonLaCanforaRedskins dont expect to have top WR Pierre Garcon Sun. Was unable to really even try to practice this week. Will workout pregame but team not planning on him. "It's pretty hard to play when the first time you really even try it is (warm-ups) before the game," source said
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'Raider Nation said:
Better make other plans...

‏@JasonLaCanforaRedskins dont expect to have top WR Pierre Garcon Sun. Was unable to really even try to practice this week. Will workout pregame but team not planning on him. "It's pretty hard to play when the first time you really even try it is (warm-ups) before the game," source said
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Thanks for the post, RN.I think Aldrick Robinson would be more than a capable fill-in for Garcon owners looking for a last minute replacement.
 
'sammy8887 said:
'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'None_More_Black said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Garcon injury is the top of his foot. So no Lis franc. Not sure what the injury really is though. Shanny compared it to turf toe.
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I was reading is was the ball of his foot which is why Shanahan was comparing the pain to turf toe even though it is not. I am thinking this is the type of injury/pain that would respond to cortisone but who knows.
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The ball of your foot actually is turf toe.
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Yes but you can have pain in the ball of your foot without it being turf toe. Shanahan said it was not turf toe but maybe that will be the ultimate diagnosis.
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Redskins receiver Pierre Garcon will be a game-time decision, coach Mike Shanahan said, after being limited in practice the past two days because of a bruised right foot.http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-garcon-a-game-time-decision/article/2508040#.UFOFRo2PW11

PG needs to man up this week...
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This bruised right foot situation is concerning :confused: .....Jacoby Ford struggled with the same "bruising" last year....Raiders placed WR/KR Jacoby Ford (foot) on season-ending injured reserve.

Ford underwent surgery on Wednesday to repair a Lisfranc injury to his left foot, and head coach Dennis Allen hinted that Ford's season could be over on Thursday. This move was fully expected after hearing the dreaded "Lisfranc" come up. Ford suffered the exact same injury in the 2011 season and it's turning out to be a major issue for his development. Rookie Rod Streater will continue to have a large role in Oakland's offense in 2012.

Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter Sep 15 - 5:19 PM

He just had Lis Franc surgery.

Hope there is nothing more to see here and this is not a chronic situation. But many situations like this can be diagnosed by applying Occam's Razor.

 
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@AdamSchefter: Redskins wide receiver Pierre Garcon is unlikely to play today due to foot injury, though he wants to run and test it pre game,

 
there's another Garcon foot injury thread active. He participated in limited capacity today. Still likely a GTD.

 
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?

 
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'SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?
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If this is true, I still expect low-end WR1 PPG status from Garcon once he clicks again with RGIII. It's all about PPG, not full season stats at this point. I don't care who's the opposite starter for the most part.Of course all bets are off if injuries strike again or reemerge.

 
'LawFitz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?
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If this is true, I still expect low-end WR1 PPG status from Garcon once he clicks again with RGIII. It's all about PPG, not full season stats at this point. I don't care who's the opposite starter for the most part.Of course all bets are off if injuries strike again or reemerge.
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Expecting low end WR1 status seems pretty hopeful for a guy coming off of a 3 catch / 24 yard game.

I agree, IF he and RG3 do end up getting back on the same page, my expectations too will be just as high. We have seen their potential when they are clicking (see first Q of week 1). Until then, with a banged up QB that's only going to keep getting hit and a lingering foot injury that we know very little about, Garcon seems like a feast or famine type of player.

 
'sdp1226 said:
'LawFitz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?
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If this is true, I still expect low-end WR1 PPG status from Garcon once he clicks again with RGIII. It's all about PPG, not full season stats at this point. I don't care who's the opposite starter for the most part.Of course all bets are off if injuries strike again or reemerge.
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Expecting low end WR1 status seems pretty hopeful for a guy coming off of a 3 catch / 24 yard game.
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I thought I qualified my statement well beyond consideration of this one game. It's based on a fully healthy Garcon and RGIII and enough time to click again like they were preseason and week one. Under those conditions, I consider Garcon a low end WR1.
 
'LawFitz said:
'sdp1226 said:
'LawFitz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?
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If this is true, I still expect low-end WR1 PPG status from Garcon once he clicks again with RGIII. It's all about PPG, not full season stats at this point. I don't care who's the opposite starter for the most part.Of course all bets are off if injuries strike again or reemerge.
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Expecting low end WR1 status seems pretty hopeful for a guy coming off of a 3 catch / 24 yard game.
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I thought I qualified my statement well beyond consideration of this one game. It's based on a fully healthy Garcon and RGIII and enough time to click again like they were preseason and week one. Under those conditions, I consider Garcon a low end WR1.
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Do we know Garcon is not fully healthy? I haven't heard anything about that.Also, how do we know that week 1 wasn't a fluke? It's a very small sample size.

I'm a Garcon owner and would LOVE to see him become a WR1, but I'm really starting to have my doubts about him.

 
I just dumped Chris Johnson and Stephen Hill for Garcon in one of my PPR dynasty leagues today. Once he and RG3 are both 100% and on the same page, I think he's got top 10 potential. :thumbup: But I acknowledge it might be late in the year or even next year before that happens.

 
'kutta said:
Do we know Garcon is not fully healthy? I haven't heard anything about that.Also, how do we know that week 1 wasn't a fluke? It's a very small sample size.I'm a Garcon owner and would LOVE to see him become a WR1, but I'm really starting to have my doubts about him.
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Garcon showed signs in Indy too. And he's so much better than any other Redskins WR, so yes, he's a #1 and will produce like one once he and RG3 are both healthy.
 
'LawFitz said:
'sdp1226 said:
'LawFitz said:
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought I would come back to this thread to see what people thought about Garcon before the season and now. I think the foot issue is over with.

Griffin got busted, may likely play again this week but in what condition?

Hankerson benched for Morgan, what is the implication? This bothers me in the sense that there is a lack of stability in the passing game - one day there is an emerging threat on the opposite side of Garcon (which I would say would help him and the passing game), and now not.

Predictions of apx. 70/1000 seemed common. - Now: Where's this going?
Click to expand...
If this is true, I still expect low-end WR1 PPG status from Garcon once he clicks again with RGIII. It's all about PPG, not full season stats at this point. I don't care who's the opposite starter for the most part.Of course all bets are off if injuries strike again or reemerge.
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Expecting low end WR1 status seems pretty hopeful for a guy coming off of a 3 catch / 24 yard game.
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I thought I qualified my statement well beyond consideration of this one game. It's based on a fully healthy Garcon and RGIII and enough time to click again like they were preseason and week one. Under those conditions, I consider Garcon a low end WR1.
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You did and I agree. Hopefully they both get to this state sooner than later.

 
Didn't realize he led team with 7 targets Sunday. I watched most of the game and it didn't seem like he was that involved.

Would love to see RG3 get locked onto him again like he did 1st quarter at NO. It makes you realize though what a small sample size Garcon owners are drawing on to believe he can put up big numbers...

 
Comparable situation to Colston, slowed by an injury, but should be back to full strength in a week or two and start producing.
 
Grrrrrr...bought low on him today, well at least i thought I did until I read this:

(FFChamps)According to Redskins Insider Chris Russell, Washington OC Kyle Shanahan said receiver Pierre Garcon is still battling through a foot injury.

Analysis: Shanahan said it still hurts Garcon to run. This is likely an injury that Garcon will have to deal with for most of the season; it's just a matter of playing through the pain. He hasn't been very effective since returning, however, catching just four passes for 44 yards.

I knew he was still dinged but didn't realize it could be a problem for the rest of the season.

What are you Garcon owners doing now with him?

 
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