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With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
C'mon bro - SIRI?With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
It's all about the apps. I would think Google has the edge there to support their product.
I don't understand this comment at all.These are two completely different markets. The Nexus tablet is meant to challenge the very successful Fire/Nook tablets in the sub-$200 market. The Surface is meant to compete with 10"+ tablets and even ultrabooks. I expect the Surface to sell for $700-$900.FWIW I don't think any tablet in the past year has had any "wow" factor. The Transformer Prime has amazing battery life. The Fire was introduced at a compelling price point. The latest ipad has amazing screen resolution. But all these are iterative advancements, not really revolutionary changes.'goonsquad said:
I don't think that's fair.He makes a good point with regard to the google glasses imo. I'm only really interested in real products that are about to launch. Vaporware is much less interesting to me. Which is another reason why I'm confused why goonsquad thought some microsoft product tease with no price and no release date has any effect on a google/asus tablet that's about to ship in a few weeks. Comparing apples and oranges(pun intended).'Jaysus said:
I hate to say it but I was more impressed with what Asus had done at CES before they partnered with Google to change the Memo to the Nexus...http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33378_1-57355665/asus-memo-370t-changes-the-game-by-offering-four-cores-for-the-price-of-two/Losing a memory card slot and hdmi output are both huge losses imo. Last year an 8gb device with no memory expansion(Fire) seemed silly to me. In 2012 it's simply ridiculous. Streaming is a nice option to have but there's absolutely no reason modern devices should be crippled with such memory constraints when memory is so cheap.'Bengalsfan said:
Jeeeeeeebus GogGunz.'tommyGunZ said:C'mon bro - SIRI?'goonsquad said:With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.'tommyGunZ said:google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
The point tommyGunZ is making is very valid. At launch Siri was every bit the version 1.0 product that people howl about when microsoft releases a product not quite ready for prime time. "It will get better over time" was even the same excuse microsoft has been using for decades now.In fact if you go to their website right now apple says "Siri is currently in beta and we’ll continue to improve it over time."http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri-faq.html... and according to many of the iPersuasion Siri was the biggest reason to upgrade to an iphon4s. So apple may not promote it's unreleased products, but it does promote and charge for its beta products. It seems to me some are splitting hairs which is better for the consumer.Jeeeeeeebus GogGunz.'tommyGunZ said:C'mon bro - SIRI?'goonsquad said:With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.'tommyGunZ said:google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
And the part that's most frustrating is an expansion slot is so inexpensive to include! It's such an obvious money grab to "encourage" the user to upgrade next year with a model that has only slightly more memory.Why all these devices don't start at 32mb or even 64mb is mind boggling. If you and I can purchase 32mb for less than $20 just imagine how low the price for memory is for samsung/apple/etc.Lack of memory expansion really put a damper on this for me.
The iPhone 4 and 4s have more than just Siri as the difference. Like single core vs. dual, better optics etc. The 4s is a better handset with or without Siri. Siri while not fully baked yet is still a great innovative feature. Consumers who bought the 4s for Siri alone got a better device hardware wise. It's not like Apple cheated them with a not fully baked technology. Like any handset OS. GogGunZ likes to pick the low hanging Engadget troll fruit in any iOS vs. Android, heck add any Apple thread to boot. He is just mental that way.The point tommyGunZ is making is very valid. At launch Siri was every bit the version 1.0 product that people howl about when microsoft releases a product not quite ready for prime time. "It will get better over time" was even the same excuse microsoft has been using for decades now.In fact if you go to their website right now apple says "Siri is currently in beta and we’ll continue to improve it over time."http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri-faq.html... and according to many of the iPersuasion Siri was the biggest reason to upgrade to an iphon4s. So apple may not promote it's unreleased products, but it does promote and charge for its beta products. It seems to me some are splitting hairs which is better for the consumer.Jeeeeeeebus GogGunz.'tommyGunZ said:C'mon bro - SIRI?'goonsquad said:With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.'tommyGunZ said:google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
Not even close to the same thing. Siri, by it's very nature, needed to be released in beta to gather live data from user to "train" it. Apple does not, in general, release beta products to the general public.The point tommyGunZ is making is very valid. At launch Siri was every bit the version 1.0 product that people howl about when microsoft releases a product not quite ready for prime time. "It will get better over time" was even the same excuse microsoft has been using for decades now.In fact if you go to their website right now apple says "Siri is currently in beta and we’ll continue to improve it over time."Jeeeeeeebus GogGunz.'tommyGunZ said:C'mon bro - SIRI?'goonsquad said:With Project Glass? If so, it's disingenuous to make the comparison since Apple doesn't promote it's unreleased products. We don't know what Apple has in their labs, only what they are actually selling millions of.'tommyGunZ said:google really pushing the envelope here. apple winning the stockholder race, google winning the innovation race.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri-faq.html
... and according to many of the iPersuasion Siri was the biggest reason to upgrade to an iphon4s. So apple may not promote it's unreleased products, but it does promote and charge for its beta products. It seems to me some are splitting hairs which is better for the consumer.
I'm looking at it from a marketing angle. None of these products are currently available, so the reason for Microsoft and Google to make these big unveils is to draw attention to themselves and away from their competition. It's no coincidence that Microsoft scheduled an announcement for the Surface just a week before Google's big developer conference and Nexus reveal. They wanted to steal the limelight and trump Google, not just in the eyes o f the consumer but also the press and developer base. And Microsoft was very successful, generating tons of headlines and conversation, mostly VERY positive. So while the Nexus may not directly compete with the Surface, the companies are competing for coverage and Windows 8 is very much trying to compete with Android. I think Google realized that the announcement of a Fire competitor was going to be perceived as lackluster after the Surface demo. There is very little interesting about the Nexus itself, other than the fact that it's made by Google. Look at what is generating all the talk: the Project Glass skydivers.
No, this ^^^^ is shtick. Whether it's good or not is subjective.
MoreAnd the part that's most frustrating is an expansion slot is so inexpensive to include! It's such an obvious money grab to "encourage" the user to upgrade next year with a model that has only slightly more memory.Why all these devices don't start at 32mb or even 64mb is mind boggling. If you and I can purchase 32mb for less than $20 just imagine how low the price for memory is for samsung/apple/etc.
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Now this is bad shtick.
It's got great specs, but is this gonna be another HP tablet? The lack of expansion makes this a little more e-reader on steroids than a tablet, along with the 7" screen size. Can't argue the price point though. But the lack of expansion kills that as well, being that another tablet with similar specs and price point could have memory expansion to compete with the Nexus in the coming months.I think this is a pretty sweet product and have told at least 3 people who have come to me asking for tablet advice to hold off on the Fire/Nook and get this unit. I'm a LITTLE more hesitant to recommend it given it's $199/8GB/NoMiSD.... vs the rumored $159/8GB/MiSD.... that said I still think it's the best tablet at this price point (without having used one) and will likely advise those folks to pull the trigger.
Technically the nook has expandable storage at the 199 price point but that matters less to me than running a pure version of Android vs some bastardized shell. Most of my music is streamed nowadays anyway. You can fit a movie or two on the tablet... that's plenty as long as you've got a means to load more on as needed. AndIt's got great specs, but is this gonna be another HP tablet? The lack of expansion makes this a little more e-reader on steroids than a tablet, along with the 7" screen size. Can't argue the price point though. But the lack of expansion kills that as well, being that another tablet with similar specs and price point could have memory expansion to compete with the Nexus in the coming months.I think this is a pretty sweet product and have told at least 3 people who have come to me asking for tablet advice to hold off on the Fire/Nook and get this unit. I'm a LITTLE more hesitant to recommend it given it's $199/8GB/NoMiSD.... vs the rumored $159/8GB/MiSD.... that said I still think it's the best tablet at this price point (without having used one) and will likely advise those folks to pull the trigger.
My buddy has a first or second Gen Nook rooted with CyanMod. Nice little device.Technically the nook has expandable storage at the 199 price point but that matters less to me than running a pure version of Android vs some bastardized shell. Most of my music is streamed nowadays anyway. You can fit a movie or two on the tablet... that's plenty as long as you've got a means to load more on as needed. AndIt's got great specs, but is this gonna be another HP tablet? The lack of expansion makes this a little more e-reader on steroids than a tablet, along with the 7" screen size. Can't argue the price point though. But the lack of expansion kills that as well, being that another tablet with similar specs and price point could have memory expansion to compete with the Nexus in the coming months.I think this is a pretty sweet product and have told at least 3 people who have come to me asking for tablet advice to hold off on the Fire/Nook and get this unit. I'm a LITTLE more hesitant to recommend it given it's $199/8GB/NoMiSD.... vs the rumored $159/8GB/MiSD.... that said I still think it's the best tablet at this price point (without having used one) and will likely advise those folks to pull the trigger.
No doubt, but 95%+ of the market doesn't want to #### with flashing ROMs and hacking their ####. They want to turn the thing on, and have it work.
Sure, but what about us Nerds? We buy #### too ya know.No doubt, but 95%+ of the market doesn't want to #### with flashing ROMs and hacking their ####. They want to turn the thing on, and have it work.
I'll still hold out for a tablet with great specs and expansion. Shouldn't be too far away with Sammy Sung jumping in the fray to compete with the Nexus.
Why would anyone offer expansion if they can get $1 GB for a .01 GB flash memory?Sure, but what about us Nerds? We buy #### too ya know.No doubt, but 95%+ of the market doesn't want to #### with flashing ROMs and hacking their ####. They want to turn the thing on, and have it work.
Does this mean we can expand the Nexus with physical memory?Why would anyone offer expansion if they can get $1 GB for a .01 GB flash memory?Sure, but what about us Nerds? We buy #### too ya know.No doubt, but 95%+ of the market doesn't want to #### with flashing ROMs and hacking their ####. They want to turn the thing on, and have it work.
If you don't have to decide until September it would be wise to wait and see what the Fire2 looks like. Some people expect an announcement on that device by the end of July.My ideal device to take on a trip would be one that I don't have to bring a charger and plug in while on the road. For that reason I'm still leaning toward one of the Asus 10" tablets with the keyboard that extends battery life well beyond any similar portable device to my knowledge. The high end tablets are much more expensive than the 7" tablets however.
i'm surprised that they don't somehow directly connect that memory expansion to Drive.
