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Better Long-term Prospect, Richardson vs Martin? (1 Viewer)

Who is the better long-term keeper prospect for fantasy football?

  • Trent Richardson will be a stud, Doug Martin may be good, but nowhere near Richardson

    Votes: 67 56.8%
  • Richardson and Martin will be pretty similar, average to above-average

    Votes: 25 21.2%
  • Richardson is likely to be a bust, Martin will be the better pick for fantasy owners both in 2012 an

    Votes: 9 7.6%
  • Why would anyone want either? They will be both be busts for the long-term

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Both will be studs, you can't go wrong

    Votes: 16 13.6%

  • Total voters
    118

levinakl

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Will Trent Richardson thrive in Cleveland? Will he follow in the footsteps of Willie Green and others who haven't lived up to their hype with the Browns. On the other hand, will Doug Martin be able to be the guy to emerge as the better back for fantasy owners to have, even if Richardson might have the better skill set for NFL purposes?

what do you guys think?

 
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Why not add another option? "Should be similar and both be great"

IMHO no one probably thought Ray Rice, Lesean McCoy, or Arian Foster would be half the back that Peterson is. While they may not be the same athletically or talent wise, they have found a way to be right up there with him

Right now, it is hard for me to draft Richardson. I have not seen anything from him in the nfl, and that would have been nice. I go by what my eyes tell me. 5 carries in a preseason game would have probably sufficed, but I doubt we see it

I have seen Martin and I like him a lot. His coach loves him and he will get 20 touches a game with ease.

He may not be the talent that Richardson is, but I would bet that they are consistently drafted in the top 5-10 for the next 5 years.

 
I think both RBs have decent offensive lines. Tampa has better skill positions for a balanced offense, while Cleveland has a better defense than Tampa right now.

Both RB should be successful. Both situations are favorable. Martin may be better in PPR leagues due to having a better QB. Richardson is the best talent according to scouts so that carries a lot of weight for the long view, but both are talented players.

Cleveland has been by far the most snake bitten franchise and makes me worry if that is not more powerful than Richardsons potential.

From a risk/value perspective I think Martin is the better choice as he won't cost as much and he does not play for the Browns.

 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.

 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
What historical information are you referring to? College data doesn't equate to the NFL level. There are too many high-end RB talents that have flopped, between Curtis Enis, KiJana Carter, etc, etc
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
What historical information are you referring to? College data doesn't equate to the NFL level. There are too many high-end RB talents that have flopped, between Curtis Enis, KiJana Carter, etc, etc
I don't understand this argument. So all opinions of Richardson as an nfl prospect are null and void because we haven't seen him yet and other top college players flopped?
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
What historical information are you referring to? College data doesn't equate to the NFL level. There are too many high-end RB talents that have flopped, between Curtis Enis, KiJana Carter, etc, etc
I don't understand this argument. So all opinions of Richardson as an nfl prospect are null and void because we haven't seen him yet and other top college players flopped?
Perhaps my argument wasn't clear. I was referring to the portion of cobalt's argument that he said there's too much historical data out there to even debate Martin vs Richardson. I was curious as to what "data" was referred to as neither Martin nor Richardson has any real NFL data to go by just yet. Just because a guy grades out high in college doesn't mean he will pan out in the NFL for a variety of different reasons and vice versa. Anything is just an educated guess at this point obviously. in the end, besides the curiosity of people's thoughts out there, I do have the first pick in an upcoming keeper league and while i'm pretty sure Richardson has to be my pick, I was curious what people thought about Martin, since VBD (granted, I don't think that factors in potential keeper status) grades Martin as significantly higher in our PPR format.I think it's a bigger debate in redraft leagues, as Martin could be the better play for 2012, but I think ultimately Richardson is the better talent for the long haul, he has too much potential upside. But, as I said, I'm curious to see if others agree/disagree and to also see how it all turns out.
 
Thanks for the thread. I too have the #1 pick in a 'keeper' and all along Richardson has been my choice but there's some doubt

in my mind because we see proof that Martin can be an important cog to the Tampa offense.

 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
 
you have the ability to trade any player at any time. you shouldn't look beyond 1 full year. there is no need to. you can re-evaluate him each off season.

when thinking long term, your concern should only be 'who will be worth more next off season'

if you have the 1.1 pick. the best thing to do is take richardson, and then trade him for luck in 4 years. if you think martin will last longer, you can take trich and the increased production now, and then trade him for martin later on.

unless you think martin will outproduce him this year, then thats a different story

 
This thread reminds me of the people who years ago spent all summer talking themselves into taking Marshawn Lynch over Adrian Peterson (and Calvin Johnson).

KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. When in doubt, go with the top 5 draft pick. Some top 5 draft picks have busted in the past, but the same is true to an even greater degree of guys drafted in the 30s. At the end of the day, there's a reason why Richardson went at 5 and Martin went at 31.

 
This thread reminds me of the people who years ago spent all summer talking themselves into taking Marshawn Lynch over Adrian Peterson (and Calvin Johnson). KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. When in doubt, go with the top 5 draft pick. Some top 5 draft picks have busted in the past, but the same is true to an even greater degree of guys drafted in the 30s. At the end of the day, there's a reason why Richardson went at 5 and Martin went at 31.
:goodposting: Unfortunately some people can't resist trying to be hero's and will take a longshot to have the chance to look smart.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
:goodposting:I'm not understanding how there's a debate here at all.
 
I agree with the other poster who said the poll is flawed. Why not have a "both will be great" option?

 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm pretty confident Richardson is the better play as well, but it's also great to hear the feedback on the Shark Pool as well.

 
This is the scouting that stands out to me. It sums up what I was trying to say at the top. I do not think there will be enough difference between them any time soon to be decisive one way or another about which one to draft. Martin has become a part of a team on the rise. They are getting ready to be the next Ravens type offense in the South. Cleveland is crap. They are not on the rise, and that is enough to even these guys out IMHO. I think you take Richardson's talent, and put it on a crappy team, and Then you take Martin's slightly lower skill set, and add it to a team that will be competing, and it just evens them out

"If a team is seeking a breakaway runner, Martin isn’t that

player unless he’s playing behind a dominant offensive

line where he gets the immediate angle on third level

defenders because of strong second-level blocking (think

a faster Arian Foster behind the Texans line), but he’s

going to have plenty of gains between 15-40 yards.

Martin may not be in Richardson’s class, but he’s capable

of having statistical production that is as good or better

depending on the team that drafts him."

 
OH, and by the way, I have the 1st pick in my keeper too. I am sure I will take Richardson in the moment, but I really believe what I said above. Therefore, I should probably take Martin

 
lukinrats, I am right there with you. Everything but my gut says Richardson is a no brainier. It's not like my gut says Martin is definitely the better pick, it just questions it, and therefore the varying degrees of doubt trickle in. Would be nice if we got a glowing report on TRich between now and Thursday night (my draft night), but I don't see that happening unfortunately.

 
lukinrats, I am right there with you. Everything but my gut says Richardson is a no brainier. It's not like my gut says Martin is definitely the better pick, it just questions it, and therefore the varying degrees of doubt trickle in. Would be nice if we got a glowing report on TRich between now and Thursday night (my draft night), but I don't see that happening unfortunately.
I would just like to see the guy run out and take about 3 carries. One up the gut, one off tackle and then maybe one that he busts for about 15 or 20. I would be A-Ok then
 
If preseason carries matter that much to you, then hasn't Martin's struggles so far not made you think he's more than just a little less talented than Richardson?

 
If preseason carries matter that much to you, then hasn't Martin's struggles so far not made you think he's more than just a little less talented than Richardson?
If preseason matters than much to him wouldn’t Richardson’s inability to actually get on the field worry him even more?
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
Personally, I can't fathom how Dodds has him playing a full 16 game slate and touching the ball only 270 times. That would mean about 15 RB get more work than him. No way that happens to a healthy Richardson. He'll easily clear 275 / 40 if playing a full 16.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
Personally, I can't fathom how Dodds has him playing a full 16 game slate and touching the ball only 270 times. That would mean about 15 RB get more work than him. No way that happens to a healthy Richardson. He'll easily clear 275 / 40 if playing a full 16.
I don't think it's out of the question that Hardesty gets 5-10 touches a game.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
Personally, I can't fathom how Dodds has him playing a full 16 game slate and touching the ball only 270 times. That would mean about 15 RB get more work than him. No way that happens to a healthy Richardson. He'll easily clear 275 / 40 if playing a full 16.
I don't think it's out of the question that Hardesty gets 5-10 touches a game.
Have you watched him play? The Browns would be idiots to take their best player off the field so that they can give that lug his 10 rushes/game. Maurile has it right on Hardesty: 35 / 4.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
Personally, I can't fathom how Dodds has him playing a full 16 game slate and touching the ball only 270 times. That would mean about 15 RB get more work than him. No way that happens to a healthy Richardson. He'll easily clear 275 / 40 if playing a full 16.
I don't think it's out of the question that Hardesty gets 5-10 touches a game.
Have you watched him play? The Browns would be idiots to take their best player off the field so that they can give that lug his 10 rushes/game. Maurile has it right on Hardesty: 35 / 4.
Well, based on his recent injury history, it probably seems likely that penciling in Richardson to play 16 games is optimistic to say the least, no?
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
Eh, I don't think it's crazy to think Martin might outperform Richardson this season. Hell, in Dodds' latest projections, he has Martin getting 1367/8 and Richardson getting 1307/9, which is a virtual tie (with a slight edge to Martin in PPR and yardage-heavy leagues). For this year and this year only, I think it's definitely something to think about. Long-term, though? Richardson, no question.
Personally, I can't fathom how Dodds has him playing a full 16 game slate and touching the ball only 270 times. That would mean about 15 RB get more work than him. No way that happens to a healthy Richardson. He'll easily clear 275 / 40 if playing a full 16.
I don't think it's out of the question that Hardesty gets 5-10 touches a game.
Have you watched him play? The Browns would be idiots to take their best player off the field so that they can give that lug his 10 rushes/game. Maurile has it right on Hardesty: 35 / 4.
Well, based on his recent injury history, it probably seems likely that penciling in Richardson to play 16 games is optimistic to say the least, no?
As has been said and qualified countless times, this is assuming a full 16 games. If you want to downgrade him based on injury risk, go ahead. I think all FBG projections have him playing 16 games, so I thought that's what we were discussing.
 
'Yenrub said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
If preseason carries matter that much to you, then hasn't Martin's struggles so far not made you think he's more than just a little less talented than Richardson?
If preseason matters than much to him wouldn’t Richardson’s inability to actually get on the field worry him even more?
At least Richardson has the potential to not struggle in the preseason, whereas we know Martin has.
 
David Wilson.
Pretty much this, David Wilson looked like something special in this last pre-season game. He up up 5/49/9.8ypc against a top 5 rushing D last season. And added 2/26/13.0ypc through the air. He's had a much more impressive pre-season than Doug Martin. Obviously, Trent Richardson hasn't seen the field. That being said, how is the conversation only between 2 of the 3 1st Round RBs?
 
David Wilson.
Pretty much this, David Wilson looked like something special in this last pre-season game. He up up 5/49/9.8ypc against a top 5 rushing D last season. And added 2/26/13.0ypc through the air. He's had a much more impressive pre-season than Doug Martin. Obviously, Trent Richardson hasn't seen the field. That being said, how is the conversation only between 2 of the 3 1st Round RBs?
I don't think David Wilson has near the same opportunity that Martin or Richardson project to get this year, which is why he wasn't included in the post.
 
David Wilson.
Pretty much this, David Wilson looked like something special in this last pre-season game. He up up 5/49/9.8ypc against a top 5 rushing D last season. And added 2/26/13.0ypc through the air. He's had a much more impressive pre-season than Doug Martin. Obviously, Trent Richardson hasn't seen the field. That being said, how is the conversation only between 2 of the 3 1st Round RBs?
I don't think David Wilson has near the same opportunity that Martin or Richardson project to get this year, which is why he wasn't included in the post.
Then why did you title this thread as "Better Long-term Prospect"?
 
David Wilson.
Pretty much this, David Wilson looked like something special in this last pre-season game. He up up 5/49/9.8ypc against a top 5 rushing D last season. And added 2/26/13.0ypc through the air. He's had a much more impressive pre-season than Doug Martin. Obviously, Trent Richardson hasn't seen the field. That being said, how is the conversation only between 2 of the 3 1st Round RBs?
I don't think David Wilson has near the same opportunity that Martin or Richardson project to get this year, which is why he wasn't included in the post.
Then why did you title this thread as "Better Long-term Prospect"?
Once again pretty much this... I'm not sure how a thread is titled "Better long-term prospect". If you were to ask me "RG3 or Luck, who has a better 2012 season?" a good part of me will probably say RG3. If you ask me "RG3 or Luck, who has a better career?" I'm going to say Luck. Long-term typically means the scope of several years. Not this year, that would be "Richardson vs Martin, who does better this year?".
 
David Wilson.
Pretty much this, David Wilson looked like something special in this last pre-season game. He up up 5/49/9.8ypc against a top 5 rushing D last season. And added 2/26/13.0ypc through the air. He's had a much more impressive pre-season than Doug Martin. Obviously, Trent Richardson hasn't seen the field. That being said, how is the conversation only between 2 of the 3 1st Round RBs?
I don't think David Wilson has near the same opportunity that Martin or Richardson project to get this year, which is why he wasn't included in the post.
I wanted to know the better long-term prospects between Richardson and Martin. If I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on the entire RB class, I would've suggested it. Someone else can start a thread comparing Martin or whomever else they want to add to the mix.This thread was designed to compare doug Martin versus Trent Richardson
 
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Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
Richardson will come in and do what he does. Don't over think this.
I remember when Carnell Williams came into the league and the Bucs did not play him at all in the preseason. He had a massive number of carries week 1 of the season but injured himself.Richardson is currently recovering from an injury right now and has not had practice reps or preseason games to be ready. It is a risk. Much of my previous optimism was based off him being healthy for camp and preseason. Showing something before the season start. He is behind schedule. Perhaps he will be very successful anyways. But it would be a lot easier to feel comfortable with that because of seeing him play and knowing he is game ready.But the main thing that worries me comes from history and instinct. The Browns have been a team that could ruin any player. Call it superstitious or what have you but the Cleveland Browns are a team I have been avoiding drafting players from since the days of Byner, Mack and Webster Slaughter. I have not regretted that much if at all. I wish Richardson were one just about any other team so I could believe in him without this specter of doom looming overhead.
 
Richardson is an elite talent, Martin not. If healthy, Richardson laps Martin easily. Plenty of history of RBs, if good enough, dominating with poor teams. The fact that Cleveland sucks shouldn't be an issue. Not sure why this is even being discussed, with all the historical data out there. If Richardson stays healthy, he rolls.
I am very high on Richardson as a RB prospect, mostly based on what the majority of scouts and coaches have said about him than based on my personal observations. But at this point he hasn't even played in preseason so he seems well behind in development. Short term the situation in Tampa is better because they have a better offense. Long term I do think that talent wins out, but from the short term view such as redraft Martin may outperform Richardson year 1.
This is what everyone said about AJ vs Julio last year, but situation is putting Julio higher than AJ in ADP now that talet has been determined to be similar. I expect the same will be true of these two, and potentially Wilson as well.I may take Martin over TRich in a 4 keeper for this reason. We'll see..
 
Our league only allows us to hold onto 'keepers' for 3 years including the year

the player is drafted. With this information would you think Martin will have

a better three year run rather than Richardson ??

 
But the main thing that worries me comes from history and instinct. The Browns have been a team that could ruin any player. Call it superstitious or what have you but the Cleveland Browns are a team I have been avoiding drafting players from since the days of Byner, Mack and Webster Slaughter. I have not regretted that much if at all. I wish Richardson were one just about any other team so I could believe in him without this specter of doom looming overhead.
+1
 
Our league only allows us to hold onto 'keepers' for 3 years including the yearthe player is drafted. With this information would you think Martin will have a better three year run rather than Richardson ??
I wouldn't think the 3 year term would change the dynamic at all. It is a long enough time frame that if you think Martin is the better option than Richardson, you should draft Martin.I still think the upside of Richardson is too much to pass up, but I think it's closer than some of the people have made it out to be.
 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Biabreakable said:
But the main thing that worries me comes from history and instinct. The Browns have been a team that could ruin any player. Call it superstitious or what have you but the Cleveland Browns are a team I have been avoiding drafting players from since the days of Byner, Mack and Webster Slaughter. I have not regretted that much if at all. I wish Richardson were one just about any other team so I could believe in him without this specter of doom looming overhead.
+1
Ummm...there's this guy that was a Brown's RB named, ironically enough, Jim Brown. He did pretty good - historically speaking. :mellow:
 
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'Leroy Hoard said:
'Biabreakable said:
But the main thing that worries me comes from history and instinct. The Browns have been a team that could ruin any player. Call it superstitious or what have you but the Cleveland Browns are a team I have been avoiding drafting players from since the days of Byner, Mack and Webster Slaughter. I have not regretted that much if at all. I wish Richardson were one just about any other team so I could believe in him without this specter of doom looming overhead.
+1
Ummm...there's this guy that was a Brown's RB named, ironically enough, Jim Brown. He did pretty good - historically speaking. :mellow:
Yes, I'll admit I didn't win any FF championships until after 1965 using this theory.
 
I think in five years we will look back and see that david wilson was the RB from this draft.

FF (and real-life success) depends on some level as much on opportunity and situation as it does absolute talent or skill. Wilson, IMO, is the best combination of talent AND situation AND opportunity of the three. He is the aggreagate best talent and opportunity on the best team that knows how to keep the team good perinially, by far.

Two or three years from now,The Giants will still be the Giants, with a HOF-worthy QB, same coach, same (at the time) veteran big play WRs, young defensive studs, etc., while the Borwns will probably be on their next coach and maybe QB and the Bucs may be shaking things up for various reasons.

 
'Leroy Hoard said:
'Biabreakable said:
But the main thing that worries me comes from history and instinct. The Browns have been a team that could ruin any player. Call it superstitious or what have you but the Cleveland Browns are a team I have been avoiding drafting players from since the days of Byner, Mack and Webster Slaughter. I have not regretted that much if at all. I wish Richardson were one just about any other team so I could believe in him without this specter of doom looming overhead.
+1
Ummm...there's this guy that was a Brown's RB named, ironically enough, Jim Brown. He did pretty good - historically speaking. :mellow:
Peyton Hillis was also the #2 overall fantasy RB just 2 seasons ago, while on this team.
 
I think in five years we will look back and see that david wilson was the RB from this draft.FF (and real-life success) depends on some level as much on opportunity and situation as it does absolute talent or skill. Wilson, IMO, is the best combination of talent AND situation AND opportunity of the three. He is the aggreagate best talent and opportunity on the best team that knows how to keep the team good perinially, by far. Two or three years from now,The Giants will still be the Giants, with a HOF-worthy QB, same coach, same (at the time) veteran big play WRs, young defensive studs, etc., while the Borwns will probably be on their next coach and maybe QB and the Bucs may be shaking things up for various reasons.
Wilson has a nice upside, but Trent Richardson is Ricky Williams/Edgerrin James/Clinton Portis level good. If he stays healthy he's going to have an awesome career. For immediate FF value, I think Martin could be the best of the lot though. It really depends on how healthy Richardson is and on how well the Browns can support him.
 
In one of my leagues Trent Richardson went 1st overall in the rookie draft. Doug Martin went 3rd (could have gone 2nd, same guy with the 2nd and 3rd pick (me)). In this league you can keep your rookie picks for up to 4 years (you're on the hook for a salary as long as they are not on another team). I obviously did not have to put too much thought into who of the two to pick - but not unhappy how it turned out. Barring injury for either back I think DM 'wins' this year but by year 3 TR will produce better - assuming that Weeden is not a total bust and CLE doesn't pick another rookie to pass the ball.

 
Martin's gone for more than Richardson in both my of auctions (both deep keeper leagues).

I have no idea how good they'll be. They both have talent and the inside track to a bunch of touches at the moment. That's pretty much all I care about.

It seems like there are way too many other factors involved to make an accurate call long-term about who is better.

 

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