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McGahee - Torn MCL and Broken Leg (1 Viewer)
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GeorgeCostanza
Footballguy
of course you're betting on hillman. you picked him up
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm not sure he was ever being stretched out on the sidelines. The replays I saw -- though I can't find them on Game Rewind again today for some reason -- showed the medical staff moving his leg around and off the table. That's part of a medical exam to test the integrity of the ACL.
The "broken leg" aspect of this is interesting. I thought an avulsion (where torn ligament pulled part of bone off) was most likely but thought that was a surgical condition. John Fox saying this is a non-surgical MCL tear.
The "broken leg" aspect of this is interesting. I thought an avulsion (where torn ligament pulled part of bone off) was most likely but thought that was a surgical condition. John Fox saying this is a non-surgical MCL tear.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
This has RBBC written all over it at least for the short term. Hillman will get his chance to prove himself but protecting Peyton on passing downs is just too important a consideration here for Hillman to be the main guy right now.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Color me skeptical on Hillman's ability to run between the tackles.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ball as GL also.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
silentcoach
Footballguy
Of some importance was that Hillman was in when Denver was running out of the clock--showing they trust him on running downs. Ball seemed to be in on 3rd down for protection reasons--Hillman is too small to block those lbs.
He'll be viable if he can get >14 touches a game...especially this late in the season.
He'll be viable if he can get >14 touches a game...especially this late in the season.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
agreed, I see it 60 Ball 40 Hillman going forward on carries
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Snaps maybe but a lot of those will just be Ball pass blocking imo.agreed, I see it 60 Ball 40 Hillman going forward on carries
So basically there is nothing to see here unless you are desperate for a RB?Snaps maybe but a lot of those will just be Ball pass blocking imo.agreed, I see it 60 Ball 40 Hillman going forward on carries
JFS171
Footballguy
Agreed here - before McGahee's injury this past week, Hillman had 1 carry for 21 yards. After McGahee's injury, Hillman had 22 yards on 11 carries. Ball meanwhile had 35 yards on 6 carries.Ball also added 21 yards on 3 receptions. Hillman had 16 yards on 2 receptions.Ball is likewise the preferred pass protector. There's an entire article on the Denver Post's website about Ball's blitz pick-up skills, and we ALLLLL know that protecting Manning is the most important thing in this offense.I wouldn't be shocked if Ball was more valuable.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Personally not counting out Moreno here until they sign someone off the street and place them in front of him.
Obviously fell out of favor, but he did look good in the preseason vs. Arizona. And never underestimate fresh legs late in the season. I think he's their best option over the course of the rest of the year -- having him in the McGahee role and keeping Hillman/Ball where they are.
Hillman's looked ok in a COP role, but every big run I've seen have been with him kicking it outside. There's a reason they kept Moreno around. And this is it IMO.
Obviously fell out of favor, but he did look good in the preseason vs. Arizona. And never underestimate fresh legs late in the season. I think he's their best option over the course of the rest of the year -- having him in the McGahee role and keeping Hillman/Ball where they are.
Hillman's looked ok in a COP role, but every big run I've seen have been with him kicking it outside. There's a reason they kept Moreno around. And this is it IMO.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
What's the recovery looking like for a 'non-surgical' MCL tear? Is this an 8 week thing, an 8 month thing, or should we be prepared to write off his 2013 season as well?
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Hillman and Moreno
JFS171
Footballguy
I'm no doctor - but I tore an MCL once that didn't require surgery (soccer injury) and it was 4 weeks, but didn't feel completely back until week 6 or 7. I didn't have any "break" though, which as Jene's article stated may have been bone fragments pulled with the MCL. Soccer was similar with the running/cutting, and I needed to kick the knee, but obviously no one was trying to tackle my legs. Don't know the grade of his strain though...Still, he should be fine for 2013... maybe even the playoffs.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Hillman -- true COP to McGahee (Moreno's not)
Ball plays ST -- Moreno doesn't
I'm not suggesting Moreno will be "the guy" this week. Face it, the guy's not seen action in 2 months. I simply don't think Hillman can/will run between the tackles. And that'll be proven quickly IMO. Ball remains on an active roster due to ST. Not his ability as a runner.
May not be this week, but I think Moreno (or perhaps someone off the street) will be placed in the McGahee role after Hillman proves ineffective in that role.
To counter you, if Denver had no desire for Moreno, why didn't they trade him (or even cut) him?? [Perhaps he's simply not healthy enough to return...who knows, but I find that scenario doubtful as they'd simply place him on IR]
Ball plays ST -- Moreno doesn't
I'm not suggesting Moreno will be "the guy" this week. Face it, the guy's not seen action in 2 months. I simply don't think Hillman can/will run between the tackles. And that'll be proven quickly IMO. Ball remains on an active roster due to ST. Not his ability as a runner.
May not be this week, but I think Moreno (or perhaps someone off the street) will be placed in the McGahee role after Hillman proves ineffective in that role.
To counter you, if Denver had no desire for Moreno, why didn't they trade him (or even cut) him?? [Perhaps he's simply not healthy enough to return...who knows, but I find that scenario doubtful as they'd simply place him on IR]
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JFS171
Footballguy
Good stuff - like I said, not a Denver fan, and haven't paid a ton of attention here. You could be right.
I too am a little curious as to what to make of McGahee's future. I think it is safe to assume he is done in 2012. At 31 - going to be 32 for the 2013 season - does he have any dynasty value left? I don't think in the open market anyone will be interested. So does Denver bring him back assuming he fully recovers? From what I think I know....MCL tears (and this might be a partial tear) - are not as bad as ACL. Thoughts?
EBF
Footballguy
It wouldn't shock me. I'm not yet sold that Hillman is better than NoShow.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think he has much value left and this was likely the last time he'd be the starter coming out of camp. He might be a backup somewhere and come in for an injury but I certainly wouldn't want him in dynasty unless he was free.
The Squeaky Wheel
Footballguy
IMO...we have another timeshare. Hillman and Ball now. Everyone will overspend on the wire for Hillman. For PPR, Ball will be just as valuable if not more valuable to own. I wouldn't want to start either as a RB2. Both are flex options.
McGahee is done in Denver. He is too old.
McGahee is done in Denver. He is too old.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Almost all isolated MCL sprains are non-surgical now. Surgery is rare, even for severe tears, unless there's an associated issue -- large avulsion fracture, multi-ligament injury or something else that would make the surgeon feel that the rehab would progress more quickly and smoothly by repairing the ligament.McGahee's injury reads like a Grade 3, which is a complete tear. That's usually a 4-6 week injury, allowing time for the torn ligament to essentially scar, re-knit and heal. There's a small chance of some stiffness in the knee (or instability, depending on certain factors) but the way professional players are rehabbed makes that less likely. I don't know that he's a lock to return to form in six weeks, but I don't think I'd write him off for the 2012 playoffs and certainly not the 2013 season. It's one more hurdle for a 31-year old running back who's had multiple knee injuries and may not have been guaranteed a large role in Denver next year anyway, however.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I do not like Denver RB depth after McGahee. I thought they should have been talking to New Orleans about Chris ivory prior to trade deadline.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Several radio hosts in Denver were saying today that Hillman is a scatback and has done nothing to change that opinion of himself this season. When pressed, most said that Moreno had the most experience carrying the load and would see more action...for what it's worth.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Thanks, Jene. Appreciate your insight as always.
BlueBlazer05
Footballguy
I just traded McGahee away 
Sabertooth
Footballguy
which radio host sets the depth chart?'Ministry of Pain said:
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eric rymer
Footballguy
While I am being cautious about Hillman (dynasty owner), this is exactly why I drafted him. You have got to be excited about this offense and the remainder of the schedule. They should be playing with a lead from here on out and it bodes well got Mr. Hillman. $0.02
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Alfred Williams was on the NFLN amongst others. Agree with your point, was shut sharing what I had heard on the wire today. I think the shark move might be Moreno, we'll see what happens.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I talked to Ball, Hillman, Moreno today. Said 'what's up' to Jeremiah Johnson too 
This is going to be a RBBC led by Hillman. Ball will play as short yardage back and on some passing downs. Moreno is good in pass protection but he gets the Hillman role now.
Talked to John Fox too. He said, they'll always use some sort of committee (as they have with McGahee healthy).
This is going to be a RBBC led by Hillman. Ball will play as short yardage back and on some passing downs. Moreno is good in pass protection but he gets the Hillman role now.
Talked to John Fox too. He said, they'll always use some sort of committee (as they have with McGahee healthy).
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Great...gonna be a backfield mess in Denver the ROS. Maybe Hillman will be startable as a FLEX...then pray for one big play every time you start him.
Hear-the-Footsteps
Footballguy
Totally confused. McGahee is out. Like several weeks out. So I wanted to see how much the going rate on Hillman would be - so I checked the FBG waiver report to see what percentage of waiver money was recommended as a bid. The waiver report reads as though McGahee isn't even hurt.
"Ronnie Hillman, Broncos: Willis McGahee is still the best all-around back in Denver and he is running the ball well enough that he's at no risk of losing starter touches."
Seeing as though the waiver report is reporting this, it makes sense that Hillman is listed as the 12th RB with only a suggestion of 5-7% bid. So that is obviously not a good guideline to use. My question is: what are others bidding? What percent of your total beginning waiver money are you putting on trying to obtain him?
This applies to both McGahee owners (who may really need him as they had McGahee slotted in as an every week starter) and non-McGahee owners (who may just seen an opportunity to gain a starting RB). How much?
"Ronnie Hillman, Broncos: Willis McGahee is still the best all-around back in Denver and he is running the ball well enough that he's at no risk of losing starter touches."
Seeing as though the waiver report is reporting this, it makes sense that Hillman is listed as the 12th RB with only a suggestion of 5-7% bid. So that is obviously not a good guideline to use. My question is: what are others bidding? What percent of your total beginning waiver money are you putting on trying to obtain him?
This applies to both McGahee owners (who may really need him as they had McGahee slotted in as an every week starter) and non-McGahee owners (who may just seen an opportunity to gain a starting RB). How much?
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ghostofyork
Footballguy
Any indication as to who will get the GL touches?
Banger
Footballguy
I'd guess Ball.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Check the updated report later today.
JFS171
Footballguy
Hey Cecil - given everything you've said, wouldn't it make more sense to simply slot Moreno into McGahee's role, and allow Ball and Hillman to stay in the roles they're currently excelling in? As I pointed out earlier, with McGahee in the game, Hillman took his first COP carry for 21 yards. Following the injury to McGahee, Hillman had 22 yards on his next 11 carries. So why not let Moreno bang it inside and keep the defense honest/wear them down while keeping Hillman in that COP role?You've clearly got a good pulse on this team - would appreciate your thoughts on that (though I think we all know you've been banging the Hillman drum for a LONG time).I talked to Ball, Hillman, Moreno today. Said 'what's up' to Jeremiah Johnson too
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
wrote this about my interview with Doug Martin and going from Broncos to Broncos here: http://www.denverssportsstation.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=35 mock draft here: http://www.denverssportsstation.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=79After the draft wrote this about Hillman: http://www.denverssportsstation.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=97'JFS171 said:Hey Cecil - given everything you've said, wouldn't it make more sense to simply slot Moreno into McGahee's role, and allow Ball and Hillman to stay in the roles they're currently excelling in? As I pointed out earlier, with McGahee in the game, Hillman took his first COP carry for 21 yards. Following the injury to McGahee, Hillman had 22 yards on his next 11 carries. So why not let Moreno bang it inside and keep the defense honest/wear them down while keeping Hillman in that COP role?'Cecil Lammey said:I talked to Ball, Hillman, Moreno today. Said 'what's up' to Jeremiah Johnson too
This is going to be a RBBC led by Hillman. Ball will play as short yardage back and on some passing downs. Moreno is good in pass protection but he gets the Hillman role now.
Talked to John Fox too. He said, they'll always use some sort of committee (as they have with McGahee healthy).
You've clearly got a good pulse on this team - would appreciate your thoughts on that (though I think we all know you've been banging the Hillman drum for a LONG time).
WHY would Moreno go from INACTIVE to LEAD RB?!? They've chosen to roll with Hillman, Ball, McGahee yet all of a sudden they're going to plug Moreno into the top spot?!?
YES, Foxy is loyal to veterans (you're a Panthers fan) but this job is Hillman's to lose. Talking to Fox he's been very impressed with Hillman's work in pass pro, and Monday he told me that he felt Hillman as 'caught up' after missing time back in camp.
Break down his carries from SDSU......you'll see 2 yards, 1 yard, 3 yards, 2 yards, 30 yards, 4 yards, 2 yards, 12 yards, etc, etc.
I want to see him run with more patience. Watch McGahee slightly hesitate before hitting a hole, then watch Hillman run hurriedly to the hole....big difference in the results. Hillman is the youngest player in the league and I expect him to learn and grow with each week. So far he's done a good job of impressing the people that matter most (coaching staff).
