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Time to retire the 2012 thread.From ProFootballTalk: Over the weekend, ESPNs Chris Mortensen reported that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is pushing coach Jason Garrett to give up his play-calling duties. The process continues. Per a league source, the Cowboys are quietly looking for a new offensive coordinator. Currently, Bill Callahan serves as both the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach. A new offensive coordinator presumably would call the plays instead of Garrett. But Garrett, were told, is resisting the move. And if it happens, he wants someone who has no head-coaching experience.We are close to hiring Rich Bisaccia from SD as our ST's coach. A former Buc with ties to Gruden and Kiffin. Can we just fire Garrett already?

 
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Time to retire the 2012 thread.From ProFootballTalk: Over the weekend, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is pushing coach Jason Garrett to give up his play-calling duties. The process continues. Per a league source, the Cowboys are quietly looking for a new offensive coordinator. Currently, Bill Callahan serves as both the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach. A new offensive coordinator presumably would call the plays instead of Garrett. But Garrett, we’re told, is resisting the move. And if it happens, he wants someone who has no head-coaching experience.We are close to hiring Rich Bisaccia from SD as our ST's coach. A former Buc with ties to Gruden and Kiffin. Can we just fire Garrett already?
If these reports are true, Garrett comes off looking very insecure and more concerned about keeping his job than improving the team. It reminds me of Kubiak being told he had to hire Wade Phillips as DC. Gary failed twice at hiring defensive coordinators, yet had to be told to bring in someone with good experience and a good resume. It is better to win and share the credit then not to win.Maybe Jerry will show he's learned this by hiring a general manager.
 
Time to retire the 2012 thread.From ProFootballTalk: Over the weekend, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is pushing coach Jason Garrett to give up his play-calling duties. The process continues. Per a league source, the Cowboys are quietly looking for a new offensive coordinator. Currently, Bill Callahan serves as both the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach. A new offensive coordinator presumably would call the plays instead of Garrett. But Garrett, we’re told, is resisting the move. And if it happens, he wants someone who has no head-coaching experience.We are close to hiring Rich Bisaccia from SD as our ST's coach. A former Buc with ties to Gruden and Kiffin. Can we just fire Garrett already?
If these reports are true, Garrett comes off looking very insecure and more concerned about keeping his job than improving the team. It reminds me of Kubiak being told he had to hire Wade Phillips as DC. Gary failed twice at hiring defensive coordinators, yet had to be told to bring in someone with good experience and a good resume. It is better to win and share the credit then not to win.Maybe Jerry will show he's learned this by hiring a general manager.
I'm trying to figure out how, what should be a private conversation between Garrett and Jerry, is in full public display. Garrett is close to the vest and no way would he mention that to a reporter. Even as stupid as Jerry is in some things, I can't imagine that he would be that stupid to leak something like that. Jerry would be using the media to get Jason to act? Jerry would just as well fire Garrett today. He could not undercut Jason like that. Even Jerry can't be that stupid. Which leads me back to wondering the source of the rumors and how much validity there is to them. But what's worse is that now if Garrett does give up those responsibilities, he'd been seen as caving to Jerry. And he undercuts himself by doing so. So while I suspect he would have given up that responsibility to Callahan as he suggested prior to the start of last season, now I doubt that he does. All because of these rumors. Jason knows he's got to be seen as in charge. He knows he's done if he isnt seen that way.
 
Marinelli and Nutt confirmed and hired.

LOVE LOVE the Marinelli hire.

HATE HATE Houston Nutt. Hired as RB Coach.
Forgive my ignorance, but...why? Do RB coaches really have the capacity to be that detrimental?
They could hire Chippy the baboon for all I care.Houston Nutt is one of Jerry's boys. This is not a Garrett hire.

Why continually does Jerry undercut his head coaches. I'm not a Garrett fan at the moment, but it's just not fair to Jason and it makes his job harder.

Rumor also persists that Garrett is quietly refusing to give up play calling.

Yet another off season Valley Ranch circus.

 
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Any early predictions for Dallas' early draft picks by round? I am praying for OL provided there is value in the 1-2 round.

Then I guess DL in the 3rd. Are there any late round QBs worth drafting?

There is no reason a decent rookie would not be better than Orton as a back-up, not to mention having a higher potential long term.

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LOL. So I start looking for mock drafts and find this one. Pretty much addresses my inquiry. This looks pretty good on paper and by positional needs.

I would probably take this draft if it were possible.

1st- DJ Fluker 6'6" 335 ROT Alabama

2nd- Travis Frederick 6'4" 330 OG Wisconsin

3rd- Cornellius Carradine 6'4" 265 DE Florida State

4th- Gerald Hodges 6'2 234 OLB Penn State

5th- John Boyett 5'10" 202 FS Oregon

6th- Zac Dysert 6'3" 214 QB Miami

 
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Any early predictions for Dallas' early draft picks by round? I am praying for OL provided there is value in the 1-2 round. Then I guess DL in the 3rd. Are there any late round QBs worth drafting? There is no reason a decent rookie would not be better than Orton as a back-up, not to mention having a higher potential long term.
Gotta get these 5 things through draft and FA.DL2 Oline-preferable C and GSafetyRunning Back
 
'Bankerguy said:
'Routilla said:
Any early predictions for Dallas' early draft picks by round? I am praying for OL provided there is value in the 1-2 round. Then I guess DL in the 3rd. Are there any late round QBs worth drafting? There is no reason a decent rookie would not be better than Orton as a back-up, not to mention having a higher potential long term.
Gotta get these 5 things through draft and FA.DL2 Oline-preferable C and GSafetyRunning Back
That mock shows Johnathon Franklin available after the Hodges pick. I would swap those 2 as 4th rounders. I don't know how realistic this draft is but damn it makes me optimistic that we can get some help this year.
 
Well I feel a lot better now that rod marinelli is hired. He played a big role in Chicago defense. Hopefully defense can start creating turnovers. Woud fill a big need

 
Both SB teams show the road map.Outstanding O-lineCan run the ballPlay solid defenseDont turn the ball over.Can we please get an OLine.

 
Kinda of an interesting theory one of the local radio sports stations about our recent coaching hires.In place Bill Callahan as OC. (They were talking like he was givin play calling duties, though i cant find anything saything that is a done deal.)Monte Kiffin as DCRod Marinelli as DL coachAll of whom have ties to Jon Gruden. One of them were suggesting Jerry is building his staff to entice Gruden to come aboard. Probably nothing to it, but I thought it was an interesting angle. And not sure anyone wouldnt rather have Gruden coaching this team in place of Garrett.

 
Kinda of an interesting theory one of the local radio sports stations about our recent coaching hires.In place Bill Callahan as OC. (They were talking like he was givin play calling duties, though i cant find anything saything that is a done deal.)Monte Kiffin as DCRod Marinelli as DL coachAll of whom have ties to Jon Gruden. One of them were suggesting Jerry is building his staff to entice Gruden to come aboard. Probably nothing to it, but I thought it was an interesting angle. And not sure anyone wouldnt rather have Gruden coaching this team in place of Garrett.
Couple of tweets about Callahan calling plays:Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet Jerry Jones has spoken RT @calvinwatkins Jason Garrett isn't calling offensive plays. Bill Callahan is calling the plays. Calvin Watkins ‏@calvinwatkins Jason Garrett isn't calling offensive plays. Bill Callahan is calling the plays.
 
Kinda of an interesting theory one of the local radio sports stations about our recent coaching hires.In place Bill Callahan as OC. (They were talking like he was givin play calling duties, though i cant find anything saything that is a done deal.)Monte Kiffin as DCRod Marinelli as DL coachAll of whom have ties to Jon Gruden. One of them were suggesting Jerry is building his staff to entice Gruden to come aboard. Probably nothing to it, but I thought it was an interesting angle. And not sure anyone wouldnt rather have Gruden coaching this team in place of Garrett.
Couple of tweets about Callahan calling plays:Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet Jerry Jones has spoken RT @calvinwatkins Jason Garrett isn't calling offensive plays. Bill Callahan is calling the plays. Calvin Watkins ‏@calvinwatkins Jason Garrett isn't calling offensive plays. Bill Callahan is calling the plays.
Might as well fire Garrett now. I am so pissed with Jerry. He just completely undermined Garrett with making this declaration. Now Garrett has no authority. Players will walk all over him.If Jason had made this announcement, then maybe he'd have a chance. But with it coming from Jerry, he just put a nail in Jason's coffin. I am really really dissappointed. I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry. I thought he was trying to build this the right way.So who's the head coach going to be in 2014?
 
Breaking Down the ‘Boys: Should Dez Bryant receive the Cowboys’ top 2012 grade?

Three weeks into the 2012 season, the talk heated up. Every radio station in the Dallas area wanted to know why in the world the Cowboys drafted seemingly-troubled receiver Dez Bryant. With only 55 yards per game and no touchdowns heading into Week 4, Bryant’s season was on the brink of disaster.

The Numbers

If you want to understand Bryant’s struggles through three weeks, there’s really just one number you need to know: one. That’s the number of times Bryant was targeted downfield 20 yards or more. Yes, in the first three games of the 2012 season, Bryant—a wide receiver with perhaps the best ball skills in the NFL—had one deep target. That’s a major reason Bryant’s efficiency was so poor; he was averaging 12.6 yards-per-catch. It wasn’t an unfamiliar sight since Bryant averaged only 13.9 YPC in his first two years in the league, primarily because he never ranked in the top 50 in the NFL in deep target rate.

Over the Cowboys’ final 13 games, Bryant saw 23 targets of at least 20 yards. Although the Cowboys made an obvious effort to get the ball to Bryant downfield, his total deep targets still ranked him only 16th in the NFL by the end of the year. Bryant led the NFL in deep touchdowns with five, and Tony Romo posted 20.5 YPA (yes, 20.5!) when throwing deep to Bryant. Only one of Romo’s deep looks to Bryant was intercepted. Actually, Romo threw only one pick after Week 4 when looking toward Bryant. The Romo-to-Bryant connection produced the third-highest quarterback-to-receiver passer rating in the NFL in 2012.

Even though Bryant clearly became the Cowboys’ No. 1 option by midseason, he still wasn’t targeted enough. Bryant’s 137 targets ranked 11th in the NFL. The receiver caught 67.2 percent of passes thrown his way, and Romo averaged 10.1 YPA on all throws to Bryant. In 2013, the Cowboys will still need to make a better effort to get the ball downfield to Bryant; this year, the average pass to Miles Austin (12.35 yards) actually traveled farther than the average throw to Bryant (12.29 yards).

Another way to analyze Bryant’s targets is to look at the routes on which they came—something I tracked for the first year.

Back Shoulders: (7)

Comebacks: (14)

Corners: (4)

Curls/Hitches: (21)

Digs/Ins: (7)

Drags: (5)

Fades: (3)

Flats: (0)

Go’s: (19)

Hitch-and-Go’s: (1)

Outs: (3)

Out-and-Up: (1)

Posts: (7)

Scrambles: (7)

Screens: (6)

Seams: (0)

Slants: (33)

Smashes: (0)

Wheel: (1)

You can see an abundance of screens and hitches, but perhaps not enough deep routes. Bryant was targeted on a straight ‘go’ route just over one time per game in 2012.

Maybe the biggest area of improvement for the third-year receiver in 2012 was his ability to gain yards after the catch. Whereas Bryant often danced around after catching the ball in prior years, he made an obvious effort to get up the field this season. It showed; Bryant averaged 5.1 YAC per reception after posting 4.6 and 4.9 in 2010 and 2011, respectively.

On top of all that, Bryant’s catch rate will almost assuredly improve in 2013. I counted Bryant as dropping 11 passes this year—8.0 percent of his targets. When healthy, you’d expect Bryant’s drop rate to be closer to 5.0 percent or less.

Final 2012 Grade

The Cowboys finished 8-8 in 2012, but that record likely would have been a lot worse without Bryant. The receiver is so important to the productivity of the Cowboys’ offense that one of the primary goals for the coaching staff this offseason should be finding creative ways to get the ball to Bryant downfield. In the midst of his five-year, $11.8 million rookie deal, Bryant’s salary makes him one of the best cap values in the NFL.

Grade: A-
 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
 
Bill Callahan is a horrible play caller who thinks he's God's gift to play calling. :mad: #### this team. Be prepared for an offense that his no concept or care what kind of position it puts it's defense in. You thought the Cowboys were bad now? You haven't seen bad yet... Expect lots of 3 and outs and turnovers. Yes, more than we've already seen.

 
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Bill Callahan is a horrible play caller who thinks he's God's gift to play calling. :mad: #### this team. Be prepared for an offense that his no concept or care what kind of position it puts it's defense in. You thought the Cowboys were bad now? You haven't seen bad yet... Expect lots of 3 and outs and turnovers. Yes, more than we've already seen.
LOL wasnt everyone calling for Jason Garrett to stop calling plays and now when Jerry says concentrate on being a better all around HC Jason Garrett is neutered? Cant have it both ways. N Zone lets be realistic, Jason is going to have ALOT of input for the offense even if he is not the playcaller. I gaurantee you if the 3 and outs start piling up he tells Bill what to run.
 
Between the verbal altercation, declining play, and now most recent arrest this could spell the end for Jay Ratliff. An exciting player that started as a 7th round pick out of Auburn to a defensive leader. What a ride. Very dissapointed that he chose to drink and drive after all that transpired this season.

 
Between the verbal altercation, declining play, and now most recent arrest this could spell the end for Jay Ratliff. An exciting player that started as a 7th round pick out of Auburn to a defensive leader. What a ride. Very dissapointed that he chose to drink and drive after all that transpired this season.
To say the least...how, after Brent not 2 months ago?!? Simply no excuse. My favorite player, but, well, bye Jay :kicksrock:
 
Prediction on this thread...Months of #####ing about Our GM, HC, OC, playcallinggate, old laundry,interior OL, Kiffin being over the hill, interior DL, Ware neutered in 4-3, needs at safety, health at LB, age on offense, Romo's histrionics, concerns about Dez in a long off-season....and requisite predictions from Cowboy homers that this team is poised for an 11 or 12 win season.Sigh.

 
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Prediction on this thread...Months of #####ing about Our GM, HC, OC, playcallinggate, old laundry,interior OL, Kiffin being over the hill, interior DL, Ware neutered in 4-3, needs at safety, health at LB, age on offense, Romo's histrionics, concerns about Dez in a long off-season....and requisite predictions from Cowboy homers that this team is poised for an 11 or 12 win season.Sigh.
Please point me to anyone predicting 11 or 12 wins. I am one of the most optimistic Cowboys fans and with all the sweeping changes I cant get on board with 11 or 12 wins.
 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.

 
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Bill Callahan is a horrible play caller who thinks he's God's gift to play calling. :mad: #### this team. Be prepared for an offense that his no concept or care what kind of position it puts it's defense in. You thought the Cowboys were bad now? You haven't seen bad yet... Expect lots of 3 and outs and turnovers. Yes, more than we've already seen.
LOL wasnt everyone calling for Jason Garrett to stop calling plays and now when Jerry says concentrate on being a better all around HC Jason Garrett is neutered? Cant have it both ways. N Zone lets be realistic, Jason is going to have ALOT of input for the offense even if he is not the playcaller. I gaurantee you if the 3 and outs start piling up he tells Bill what to run.
I think neutered is more true than not. Remember this - 'Remember, Jones made a huge show in front of the national media when Garrett was introduced, saying (via ESPNDallas.com's Tim MacMahon): "Jason will have the final say on any person that leaves the coaching staff or comes to the coaching staff. There won't be a player on this team that Jason does not want on the team."'Full article -http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1496932-how-jason-garrett-has-become-nothing-more-than-jerry-jones-puppet
 
Between the verbal altercation, declining play, and now most recent arrest this could spell the end for Jay Ratliff. An exciting player that started as a 7th round pick out of Auburn to a defensive leader. What a ride. Very dissapointed that he chose to drink and drive after all that transpired this season.
To say the least...how, after Brent not 2 months ago?!? Simply no excuse. My favorite player, but, well, bye Jay :kicksrock:
Can't cut until June 1st because of the cap hit. Worthless pos. Way overrated both as a locker room guy and a on-field player.
 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.
I think part of it was Cobalt was surprised a Cowboys fan would misspell the name of their iconic coach.
 
Bill Callahan is a horrible play caller who thinks he's God's gift to play calling. :mad: #### this team. Be prepared for an offense that his no concept or care what kind of position it puts it's defense in. You thought the Cowboys were bad now? You haven't seen bad yet... Expect lots of 3 and outs and turnovers. Yes, more than we've already seen.
LOL wasnt everyone calling for Jason Garrett to stop calling plays and now when Jerry says concentrate on being a better all around HC Jason Garrett is neutered? Cant have it both ways. N Zone lets be realistic, Jason is going to have ALOT of input for the offense even if he is not the playcaller. I gaurantee you if the 3 and outs start piling up he tells Bill what to run.
I think neutered is more true than not. Remember this - 'Remember, Jones made a huge show in front of the national media when Garrett was introduced, saying (via ESPNDallas.com's Tim MacMahon): "Jason will have the final say on any person that leaves the coaching staff or comes to the coaching staff. There won't be a player on this team that Jason does not want on the team."'Full article -http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1496932-how-jason-garrett-has-become-nothing-more-than-jerry-jones-puppet
Bleacherreport is a worthless source. I love the hypocrisy of ESPN throughout the season they kept saying how Garrett should focus on his game management and not be the playcaller. When Jerry Jones makes the change all of a sudden Garrett is now emasculated while in reality he is being tasked to do more as a leader and not worker. Bottomline Garrett did not want to give up the playcalling duties but Jerry stepped in and said you need to focus on all aspects of the team not just playcalling (game management anyone?). A great way to illustrate this is a hospital administrator telling a doctor to focus more on establishing protocols rather than patient care. The doctor is not going to want to do this but in the long run it is best for his/her career progression.
 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.
I don't see anything unique to Garrett on those items. But, let me ask a few critical questions so I can understand you better (and hopefully regain a little hope for this team):What incoming coach isn't analyzing other top programs and is there anything Garrett's done through this analysis that's any different than other contemporary coaches?

What is it about Garrett's approach that is more systemic (i assume you mean systematic)?

How has he applied what he has learned in a way that supersedes what other new coaches have done?

My bottom line is I think it cheapens the Landry legacy to draw comparisons with a young coach who, at least in his early career, looks in over his head and really has done nothing to change the culture of the team (which is ultimately Landry's most impressive feat/legacy), notwithstanding the fact that Garrett has truly cost this team multiple, critical games with unbelievably stupid game management.

I want to like Garrett. But, he has yet to prove he is a serviceable head coach, let alone done anything to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Landry.

 
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'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.
I don't see anything unique to Garrett on those items. But, let me ask a few critical questions so I can understand you better (and hopefully regain a little hope for this team):What incoming coach isn't analyzing other top programs and is there anything Garrett's done through this analysis that's any different than other contemporary coaches?

What is it about Garrett's approach that is more systemic (i assume you mean systematic)?

How has he applied what he has learned in a way that supersedes what other new coaches have done?

My bottom line is I think it cheapens the Landry legacy to draw comparisons with a young coach who, at least in his early career, looks in over his head and really has done nothing to change the culture of the team (which is ultimately Landry's most impressive feat/legacy), notwithstanding the fact that Garrett has truly cost this team multiple, critical games with unbelievably stupid game management.

I want to like Garrett. But, he has yet to prove he is a serviceable head coach, let alone done anything to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Landry.
Landry also had a much more impressive career as a coordinator than Garrett.
 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.
I don't see anything unique to Garrett on those items. But, let me ask a few critical questions so I can understand you better (and hopefully regain a little hope for this team):What incoming coach isn't analyzing other top programs and is there anything Garrett's done through this analysis that's any different than other contemporary coaches?

What is it about Garrett's approach that is more systemic (i assume you mean systematic)?

How has he applied what he has learned in a way that supersedes what other new coaches have done?

My bottom line is I think it cheapens the Landry legacy to draw comparisons with a young coach who, at least in his early career, looks in over his head and really has done nothing to change the culture of the team (which is ultimately Landry's most impressive feat/legacy), notwithstanding the fact that Garrett has truly cost this team multiple, critical games with unbelievably stupid game management.

I want to like Garrett. But, he has yet to prove he is a serviceable head coach, let alone done anything to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Landry.
I agree that Garrett has made some poor game management decisions that have cost the team wins. No argument there. I do think that he is learning from those mistakes and will be better as a result.Garrett has spent a considerable amount of time with both Nick Saban and Coach K at Duke. I seem to recall that he spent a week with Duke, watching how Coach K operated. Numerous other discussions with him about building a successful program. I recall reading that he's done similar things with Saban. And with business leaders. I do not recall reading about other coaches who spent so much time learning and studying successful organizations. Yes, other teams review the Patriots or other successful football teams. But Jason has taken this study to another level, going beyond football and even sports overall. So yes, I do think Garrett is above his coaching peers in this area of studying successful organizations and it is manifesting itself with time.

I also think Garrett's emphasis on RKG is changing culture. This is not unique in the NFL. And it takes time to change over a roster. But I do think the way the team fought to the very end last year without giving up is a testament to this characteristic. How they did not give up in games where they were down early. It was not long ago that this team folded under Wade. I would argue that this change is a result of Garrett.

Garrett showed a ton of leadership in the Jerry Brown/Josh Brent situation. I believe he earned a lot of respect from many parties in how he handled it. I don't know how many other coaches would have handled it so well.

These are many of the elements that reminded me of Landry. Not saying that Jason is at that level or has had the same success. But that he has a chance to ascend to that level based upon these observations.

You are obviously free to disagree. But that is how I see it.

 
'Ridgelake said:
I thought Jason had a chance to be the next Tom Laundry.
Really? Not only do I disagree the content of the statement based on its absurdity alone, but Tom Laundry? Seriously?
I thought Jason had a chance to be the coach for the next 10-20 years. The systemic way he's trying to develop a program. The way he's tried to learn how several other top longterm programs have been run, not just in football. Then applying what he's learned. The demeanor and presence he has. So if you think those qualities and traits are not correlates of Landry, well, not sure what to tell you.
I don't see anything unique to Garrett on those items. But, let me ask a few critical questions so I can understand you better (and hopefully regain a little hope for this team):What incoming coach isn't analyzing other top programs and is there anything Garrett's done through this analysis that's any different than other contemporary coaches?

What is it about Garrett's approach that is more systemic (i assume you mean systematic)?

How has he applied what he has learned in a way that supersedes what other new coaches have done?

My bottom line is I think it cheapens the Landry legacy to draw comparisons with a young coach who, at least in his early career, looks in over his head and really has done nothing to change the culture of the team (which is ultimately Landry's most impressive feat/legacy), notwithstanding the fact that Garrett has truly cost this team multiple, critical games with unbelievably stupid game management.

I want to like Garrett. But, he has yet to prove he is a serviceable head coach, let alone done anything to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as Landry.
I agree that Garrett has made some poor game management decisions that have cost the team wins. No argument there. I do think that he is learning from those mistakes and will be better as a result.Garrett has spent a considerable amount of time with both Nick Saban and Coach K at Duke. I seem to recall that he spent a week with Duke, watching how Coach K operated. Numerous other discussions with him about building a successful program. I recall reading that he's done similar things with Saban. And with business leaders. I do not recall reading about other coaches who spent so much time learning and studying successful organizations. Yes, other teams review the Patriots or other successful football teams. But Jason has taken this study to another level, going beyond football and even sports overall. So yes, I do think Garrett is above his coaching peers in this area of studying successful organizations and it is manifesting itself with time.

I also think Garrett's emphasis on RKG is changing culture. This is not unique in the NFL. And it takes time to change over a roster. But I do think the way the team fought to the very end last year without giving up is a testament to this characteristic. How they did not give up in games where they were down early. It was not long ago that this team folded under Wade. I would argue that this change is a result of Garrett.

Garrett showed a ton of leadership in the Jerry Brown/Josh Brent situation. I believe he earned a lot of respect from many parties in how he handled it. I don't know how many other coaches would have handled it so well.

These are many of the elements that reminded me of Landry. Not saying that Jason is at that level or has had the same success. But that he has a chance to ascend to that level based upon these observations.

You are obviously free to disagree. But that is how I see it.
Seems like he's doing\done better with the intangibles like leadership, heart, getting his team to play hard, etc, while also showing to be a terrible play-caller and game manager. As Ridge mentioned, those leadership traits, along with how the team came together under extreme adversity, likely bought him the 2013 season. It seems Jerry is setting the table for another coaching change, however, if they have another disappointing season. Garrett has been emasculated and belittled already this offseason, but seems to be the kind of level-headed, even-tempered guy who can operate under these extreme conditions. He knew what he was getting into with Jerry as the owner and GM...it shouldn't surprise him. Now that he has his staff, he needs to go out and "work his process". There's plenty of reason for optimism for 2013. Garrett growing as more of an actual HC is one of them.

 
I love Garrett as a coach sure he has his warts (in-game management among others) but his ability to keep this team fighting with all the injuries and turmoil playing for the division in Week 17 was a real accomplishment. Excited to see what he can do with more time and personnel.

 
I don't get all the optimism here. Until I see substantial personnel changes, it's really hard to look past the glaring holes we have failed to fill for the past 4 seasons. Even with the next Tom Landry steering the ship.

 
Kinda of an interesting theory one of the local radio sports stations about our recent coaching hires.In place Bill Callahan as OC. (They were talking like he was givin play calling duties, though i cant find anything saything that is a done deal.)Monte Kiffin as DCRod Marinelli as DL coachAll of whom have ties to Jon Gruden. One of them were suggesting Jerry is building his staff to entice Gruden to come aboard. Probably nothing to it, but I thought it was an interesting angle. And not sure anyone wouldnt rather have Gruden coaching this team in place of Garrett.
Rod Marinelli as Dline coach is fine. We had him here in Detroit and I was far from impressed. He does have a history of getting his defensive guys to play hard for him, we'll see. Hard for me to get excited about him as I've seen him in a magnified role up close and personal.I'm not overly happy Ryan wasn't kept, I don't think he was the problem. Like that Garrett will be stripped of his play calling, should be his job but maybe this is one step closer to that. If Bill Cowher ever becomes available and I believe he will in the next 2 years, I hope we drop this guy and offer top dollar to a proven winner.
 
I don't get all the optimism here. Until I see substantial personnel changes, it's really hard to look past the glaring holes we have failed to fill for the past 4 seasons. Even with the next Tom Landry steering the ship.
What if they draft well? If they got the following, would you be more optimistic? I realize the draft has been quite poor over the last several years. What if they accidentally get it right?1st- DJ Fluker 6'6" 335 ROT Alabama2nd- Travis Frederick 6'4" 330 OG Wisconsin3rd- Cornellius Carradine 6'4" 265 DE Florida State4th- Johnathan Franklin, 5'10" 195 RB UCLA or Joseph Randle, 6'0" 192 RB Oklahoma St5th- John Boyett 5'10" 202 FS Oregon6th- Zac Dysert 6'3" 214 QB Miami
 
Speculation, but it would explain much of the last week or so...Not the worst decision...
Buy-by Jason. Nice knowing you. Here are some videos of successful running teams burning time off the clock...and speaking of clocks, here's a stop watch to help you keep track of time. You're a super nice guy. Wish you the best .
I don't even know what to think about this. On the one hand, it looks like the typical dreck you get from the media in the 2 weeks leading up to the SB. On the other hand, can it really be just a coincidence that Jerry has put several pieces of Chucky's old staff together, seemingly without much Garrett input?I'd resigned myself to another season with JG because I liked his leadership and how the team played well under duress. But should\could we get excited about Gruden?
 
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But should\could we get excited about Gruden?
I would be seriously ticked. I have a very low regard for Chuckie. The comments that I heard about how his team actually thought about him (he is a blow hard BSer with not much substance) and I want no part of him as Cowboys coach.
 
I'm in with Chuckie.This team is so devoid of direction and/or identity. Garrett's not the answer. He's on his way out, anyway, he's fighting to save his job, we all know it. Gruden's got his shtick for sure, but this team needs a heart transplant. Seems like the pieces are in place, let's not prolong the inevitable.

 
Rich Bisaccia (another Gruden guy) hired as special teams coach
OfficialAlso, in the comments section, someone refers to Broaddus making the argument that Callahan, Marinelli and Bisaccia are more Lovie's guys than Chucky's. I can't find anything in print about his take. Maybe it was on his radio show...did anyone catch that?
 
'Ridgelake said:
'jkruppe said:
But should\could we get excited about Gruden?
I would be seriously ticked. I have a very low regard for Chuckie. The comments that I heard about how his team actually thought about him (he is a blow hard BSer with not much substance) and I want no part of him as Cowboys coach.
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I don't get all the optimism here. Until I see substantial personnel changes, it's really hard to look past the glaring holes we have failed to fill for the past 4 seasons. Even with the next Tom Landry steering the ship.
You are the most negative person I have ever met to call themselves a Cowboys fan. This team had alot of holes after the 2009 draft (credit to you for calling it) they have made alot of positive strides since then. For instance MLB was a glaring hole and they answered with Carter and Lee. CB was horrible they fixed it with Carr, Claiborne, Jenkins, and Scandrick. IN past two years they have drafted Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter, DeMarco Murray, Dwayne Harris, Claiborne, Hanna, Crawford, Wilber. With that haul they are at the very least average in drafting certainly not hopeless like you make them out to be.
 
I don't get all the optimism here. Until I see substantial personnel changes, it's really hard to look past the glaring holes we have failed to fill for the past 4 seasons. Even with the next Tom Landry steering the ship.
You are the most negative person I have ever met to call themselves a Cowboys fan. This team had alot of holes after the 2009 draft (credit to you for calling it) they have made alot of positive strides since then. For instance MLB was a glaring hole and they answered with Carter and Lee. CB was horrible they fixed it with Carr, Claiborne, Jenkins, and Scandrick. IN past two years they have drafted Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter, DeMarco Murray, Dwayne Harris, Claiborne, Hanna, Crawford, Wilber. With that haul they are at the very least average in drafting certainly not hopeless like you make them out to be.
I honestly don't think it's negative. I think it's being realistic. You make some good points, though. They have addressed many of the holes that were present even before the 09 draft debacle. Still many remain, and a lot of the names you mentioned above only Cowboy fans will recognize because we're hoping the potential equals the reality. Remove 09, I think their drafts have been ok the past several years and honestly better than the Parcells era drafts for the most part. That said, there is still so much to fix with this team, and I feel like each year, we're filling one hole and finding another one or two open up at the end of the season. Our approach to OL in free agency has been maddening, both in securing guys like Free for gobs of $ based on limited exposure, and not pursuing quality starters to protect Romo and support the run game which has been so inferior, save for the Herculean efforts of Murray (whom I honestly don't trust can stay healthy). The DL is a mess, as it was the year before and we did nothing to support or enhance that.

Credit where credit is due: I loved the Tyron, Claiborne, Carter, and Wilber selections when they came down, and hope they pan out. I was not thrilled with Murray, Lee, or Crawford, but at least 2 of those three have been outstanding. Hanna is going to be a good, if not great, TE when Witten retires or breaks down. And the Carr addition, while pricey, has been worth the investment (had no idea his ball skills were so good).

But, I'm selfish and want more. I want to see a philosophy and to build smartly around that philosophy on both sides of the ball. I want this team to embrace an identity. I want to go to games and not have to feel like I'm encouraging others to scream and yell and kick up the volume. We're not entitled to anything, as fans. But, there are certain advantages the Cowboy brand, franchise, resources, and history all have that should translate into better performance on and off the field, and my over-riding feeling about this regime--the past several regimes in fact-- is that we are underperforming with the stacked advantages we have.

Bottom line, other teams are doing a lot more with a lot less. If that makes me negative, so be it. I just think it's a realistic assessment of where we have been and where we are now.

Just my .02.

 
'Ridgelake said:
'jkruppe said:
But should\could we get excited about Gruden?
I would be seriously ticked. I have a very low regard for Chuckie. The comments that I heard about how his team actually thought about him (he is a blow hard BSer with not much substance) and I want no part of him as Cowboys coach.
I think Gruden in certain situations could/would be outstanding for a short period of time. Right now, I don't think it's a good idea, especially the way this off season has already gone. You don't hire the staff and then the HC even if they are his guys. It's just not how you do things. We are still 1 year away from having any shot at anything with core players before they really start to decline. Based on all of this, I don't think Jerry is going fire Jason. An addition of Gruden does nothing other then get some headlines and fill seats at Jerryworld. Oh wait-maybe it will happen then.Since it looks like Jason is staying, I am very interested to see how he handles the Rat situation. Is he a Garrett RKG? Surely not. Based on attacking the owner, being a malcontent and getting arrested for DWI just months after losing a teammate. How stupid is Ratliff. Who fills they vacant spot if he goes? Huge cap hit on cutting Rat-where do we get the space? Who plays the 1 technique then? First rounder? How do we address the Oline? Can we re-do Romo? Sign a FA?Tough decisions need to be made on a few guys and it scares me that on some levels it appears that Jason is being cut at the knees. I just hate that we always do things backwards. Does Rat stay, how about restructuring Free, Carr. Do we need Austin at his salary etc etc etc. There are serious decisions to be made and I hate the unrest because if you change course it raises the chances of shooting yourself in the foot. Just wanted to also say I was wrong about Nutt, he was not named the RB coach-thank god. Apparently he was crazy and unable to articulate any type of coherent plan of action. I have been hearing that we are after Sam Gash.Saw a picture of Bears DT Melton hanging with Witten. Hopefully Witten is recruiting him.I'm really unhappy as a fan. We are an absolute cluster #### of an organization right now.
 
I don't get all the optimism here. Until I see substantial personnel changes, it's really hard to look past the glaring holes we have failed to fill for the past 4 seasons. Even with the next Tom Landry steering the ship.
You are the most negative person I have ever met to call themselves a Cowboys fan. This team had alot of holes after the 2009 draft (credit to you for calling it) they have made alot of positive strides since then. For instance MLB was a glaring hole and they answered with Carter and Lee. CB was horrible they fixed it with Carr, Claiborne, Jenkins, and Scandrick. IN past two years they have drafted Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter, DeMarco Murray, Dwayne Harris, Claiborne, Hanna, Crawford, Wilber. With that haul they are at the very least average in drafting certainly not hopeless like you make them out to be.
I honestly don't think it's negative. I think it's being realistic. You make some good points, though. They have addressed many of the holes that were present even before the 09 draft debacle. Still many remain, and a lot of the names you mentioned above only Cowboy fans will recognize because we're hoping the potential equals the reality. Remove 09, I think their drafts have been ok the past several years and honestly better than the Parcells era drafts for the most part. That said, there is still so much to fix with this team, and I feel like each year, we're filling one hole and finding another one or two open up at the end of the season. Our approach to OL in free agency has been maddening, both in securing guys like Free for gobs of $ based on limited exposure, and not pursuing quality starters to protect Romo and support the run game which has been so inferior, save for the Herculean efforts of Murray (whom I honestly don't trust can stay healthy). The DL is a mess, as it was the year before and we did nothing to support or enhance that.

Credit where credit is due: I loved the Tyron, Claiborne, Carter, and Wilber selections when they came down, and hope they pan out. I was not thrilled with Murray, Lee, or Crawford, but at least 2 of those three have been outstanding. Hanna is going to be a good, if not great, TE when Witten retires or breaks down. And the Carr addition, while pricey, has been worth the investment (had no idea his ball skills were so good).

But, I'm selfish and want more. I want to see a philosophy and to build smartly around that philosophy on both sides of the ball. I want this team to embrace an identity. I want to go to games and not have to feel like I'm encouraging others to scream and yell and kick up the volume. We're not entitled to anything, as fans. But, there are certain advantages the Cowboy brand, franchise, resources, and history all have that should translate into better performance on and off the field, and my over-riding feeling about this regime--the past several regimes in fact-- is that we are underperforming with the stacked advantages we have.

Bottom line, other teams are doing a lot more with a lot less. If that makes me negative, so be it. I just think it's a realistic assessment of where we have been and where we are now.

Just my .02.
You and Culdeus are the most negative people on the entire board and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure you're the same person.
 

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