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#3101 Statorama

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:56 AM

You guys are taking this thing WAY too seriously

 
Despite whatever bull#### Fox is spewing, there is no such thing as an ordered default.  Ripping $80 billion per month out of the economy overnight would have disastrous impact regardless of the effect on our borrowing power and interest rates.  You just aren't taking this seriously enough.

This is all Kabuki. The sky is not falling. Both sides are in on this, winking and nodding at each other.

This crisis will be "averted" just like all of their other drummed up issues of the day. No worries mon.

well then, no need to consider my thoughts on this policy any longer...i'll take the opposite of what FBG's greatest fisherman (aka Stat) is having.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:56 AM

So if portions of the GOP has been planning this all along, why don't they own it instead of calling it the 'Reid and Obama shutdown'? Party of personal responsibility ring a bell?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:56 AM

Lutherman, that article by Frum was incredibly good.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:59 AM

I'd love for the Kochs and their cronies to be sentenced to live in the conditions they want to create for us. Let's see how they like working 14 hours a day with unpaid overtime, in dangerous conditions, for the lowest possible wage. Then send them go live in a company town so we charge the #### out of them for basic subsistence. All the rich ####s who are doing this, we should make them into our cheap labor pool and exploit the #### out of them, for trying to turn us all into easily exploited cheap labor. We'd all save tons of money in tax dollars! It's an economically sound decision -- and hey, it's not like they weren't gonna do it to us first, right? So we're morally justified. Let's use their own reasoning against them.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:02 AM

 

If he caves, it sets a precedent that any party in the future can avoid proper democratic process and shutdown the government in a similar fashion if they didn't get their way on a bill that has already been passed into law.

 

 

There is no such thing as proper democratic process.  It is all bs spin.  Each side uses every tool they can get away with and always will.  Obama is not standing for any principle.  He is standing to try to crush the GOP. 

 

ETA:  Clinton and Newt eventually came to an agreement in an exact same situation, and our democratic process did not come to an end.... :rolleyes:

 

In fact, it was one of the most productive agreements in the last 40 years which came out of it.

 

 

When was the last time the Dems shut down the government or extracted even a single concession for raising the debt ceiling?



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:05 AM

 

 As long as the public takes sides in this, nothing will get done.  As long as there are enough Tim-types who blame the GOP 100% for this, Obama and the Dems will not budge and we will be at a stand still.  I will continue holding my 'extremist' position of holding all parties responsible for this mess.  These children need to get together in the same room and find some common ground somewhere to get this thing done.  There is nothing hard about it.  There are a million possible solutions.  Find one and stop playing the blame game.   

 
You don't negotiate with terrorists.  Otherwise, they'll do the exact same thing the next time.
Yes, we have heard this idiotic rhetoric dozens of times. It was asinine the first dozen times and it is still asinine. Can we discuss stuff without all the douchbagery?
 While his post is overshadowed by all the hyperbole, the main point still applies.  You don't negotiate here if you're the dems because it would set a precedent that could be disastrous down the line.
There is nothing new here. These tactics have been used before. Sometime with amazingly positive results.

That's different from taking a hostage how exactly?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:06 AM


 

If he caves, it sets a precedent that any party in the future can avoid proper democratic process and shutdown the government in a similar fashion if they didn't get their way on a bill that has already been passed into law.
 

 
There is no such thing as proper democratic process.  It is all bs spin.  Each side uses every tool they can get away with and always will.  Obama is not standing for any principle.  He is standing to try to crush the GOP. 
 
ETA:  Clinton and Newt eventually came to an agreement in an exact same situation, and our democratic process did not come to an end.... :rolleyes:
 
In fact, it was one of the most productive agreements in the last 40 years which came out of it.
 
 
When was the last time the Dems shut down the government or extracted even a single concession for raising the debt ceiling?

Not too many Democrats have ever been overly concerned with the government spending way too much money. The tactic has been used before and our system of government went on undamaged. Obama wants to slice off an arm because of a scratched finger.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:10 AM

It would be kind of amazing to spend a day inside the world of jon_mx.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:13 AM


 

 As long as the public takes sides in this, nothing will get done.  As long as there are enough Tim-types who blame the GOP 100% for this, Obama and the Dems will not budge and we will be at a stand still.  I will continue holding my 'extremist' position of holding all parties responsible for this mess.  These children need to get together in the same room and find some common ground somewhere to get this thing done.  There is nothing hard about it.  There are a million possible solutions.  Find one and stop playing the blame game.   

 
You don't negotiate with terrorists.  Otherwise, they'll do the exact same thing the next time.
Yes, we have heard this idiotic rhetoric dozens of times. It was asinine the first dozen times and it is still asinine. Can we discuss stuff without all the douchbagery?
 While his post is overshadowed by all the hyperbole, the main point still applies.  You don't negotiate here if you're the dems because it would set a precedent that could be disastrous down the line.
There is nothing new here. These tactics have been used before. Sometime with amazingly positive results.
That's different from taking a hostage how exactly?

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:14 AM

 

 

 

If he caves, it sets a precedent that any party in the future can avoid proper democratic process and shutdown the government in a similar fashion if they didn't get their way on a bill that has already been passed into law.
 

 
There is no such thing as proper democratic process.  It is all bs spin.  Each side uses every tool they can get away with and always will.  Obama is not standing for any principle.  He is standing to try to crush the GOP. 
 
ETA:  Clinton and Newt eventually came to an agreement in an exact same situation, and our democratic process did not come to an end.... :rolleyes:
 
In fact, it was one of the most productive agreements in the last 40 years which came out of it.
 
 
When was the last time the Dems shut down the government or extracted even a single concession for raising the debt ceiling?

Not too many Democrats have ever been overly concerned with the government spending way too much money. The tactic has been used before and our system of government went on undamaged. Obama wants to slice off an arm because of a scratched finger.

 

 

I wonder if there is a level of cognitive dissonance you could reach that would cause your mind to finally snap entirely.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:16 AM

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:17 AM

http://www.nytimes.c...n-drags-on.html

 

It looks like republicans are getting desperate now. They're no longer hinging on defunding or delaying PPACA, now they are clutching at straws trying to get at least something to not look like complete fools. I really hope the democrats don't fold. Hang in there, dudes!

I know they've basically said before that they just want something out of this, regardless of what that actually is, but I'm hoping more people will call them on their bull#### now because just a day or two ago it was all "Obamacare is unconstitutional and unfair to the American people, and that is the only reason we are doing this!" and now it's basically "eh we'll take whatever just so we don't look stupid."


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:18 AM


Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.

World domination is one of the more extreme motivations. But usually Bond films involve crimes a bit more substantial than just hostage taking.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:22 AM

 

 

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.
World domination is one of the more extreme motivations. But usually Bond films involve crimes a bit more substantial than just hostage taking.

How does worldwide economic meltdown sound?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:23 AM

if the republicans actually used something like sharks with laser beams, i'd probably be on their side. 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:29 AM

QE4!

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:37 AM

 

Can I get an update on Timmy's panic level?
 
Are we at level Orange yet?

I'm not panicking at all, because in recent days I've become fairly confident that the people you support are going to surrender.

 

 

Does this make you post any less?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:51 AM

 

 

Can I get an update on Timmy's panic level?
 
Are we at level Orange yet?

I'm not panicking at all, because in recent days I've become fairly confident that the people you support are going to surrender.

 

 

Does this make you post any less?

 

I haven't posted as much today because I've been busy with other things. But thanks for reminding me!


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:53 AM

http://www.nytimes.c...n-drags-on.html

 

It looks like republicans are getting desperate now. They're no longer hinging on defunding or delaying PPACA, now they are clutching at straws trying to get at least something to not look like complete fools. I really hope the democrats don't fold. Hang in there, dudes!

I know they've basically said before that they just want something out of this, regardless of what that actually is, but I'm hoping more people will call them on their bull#### now because just a day or two ago it was all "Obamacare is unconstitutional and unfair to the American people, and that is the only reason we are doing this!" and now it's basically "eh we'll take whatever just so we don't look stupid."

 

Starting to remind me of the Canada on Strike episode of South Park



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:58 AM


 

 

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.
World domination is one of the more extreme motivations. But usually Bond films involve crimes a bit more substantial than just hostage taking.
How does worldwide economic meltdown sound?

Then perhaps Onama might want to consider talking about a solution. If he was a leader a he has to do is say Obamacare is off the table, instead of taking everything off the table. It would be simple to solve and it could be a win-win.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:59 AM

Psychiatrists Deeply Concerned For 5% Of Americans Who Approve Of Congress


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:59 AM

Jon putting on a tap dancing show in here. Hilarious.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:03 PM

nolabels is asking for people to call their Representatives Urge them to stand with No Labels on Thursday, October 10, at 8:30 a.m., Eastern time, to call for congressional leaders and the president to come to the table to find a solution.

 

this comment speaks volumes about the mess in Washington..

 

 

Elizabeth B. from Austin, TX called Rep. Lamar Smith (R TX-21)
I asked the staffer whether she new about the gridlock in Congress. She said she didn't, but she'll send my comments to Rep. Smith. I miss Congressman Doggett!

Not sure if I should :lol: at that or :cry: 

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:03 PM

Here Timmy, another entity chimes in.  You can come down from the ledge.  Or not.

 

http://www.washingto...cb-327c5c814d82

 

Moody's offers different view on debt limit.

 

One of the nation’s top credit-rating agencies says that the U.S. Treasury Department is likely to continue paying interest on the government’s debt even if Congress fails to lift the limit on borrowing next week, preserving the nation’s sterling AAA credit rating.

 

In a memo being circulated on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Moody’s Investors Service offers “answers to frequently asked questions” about the government shutdown, now in its second week, and the federal debt limit. President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

 

Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

 

” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The memo offers a starkly different view of the consequences of congressional inaction on the debt limit than is held by the White House, many policymakers and other financial analysts. During a press conference at the White House Tuesday, Obama said missing the Oct. 17 deadline would invite “economic chaos.”



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:08 PM

 

 

 

 

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.
World domination is one of the more extreme motivations. But usually Bond films involve crimes a bit more substantial than just hostage taking.
How does worldwide economic meltdown sound?

Then perhaps Onama might want to consider talking about a solution. If he was a leader a he has to do is say Obamacare is off the table, instead of taking everything off the table. It would be simple to solve and it could be a win-win.

 

 

You've yet to articulate a single thing Obama could win as a concession from the Republicans despite claiming this is easily solved.  Getting a CR at Republican levels is not a win for him.  Nor is avoiding default.  So what exactly would the Republicans be conceding?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:13 PM

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:15 PM

Here Timmy, another entity chimes in.  You can come down from the ledge.  Or not.

 

http://www.washingto...cb-327c5c814d82

 

Moody's offers different view on debt limit.

 

One of the nation’s top credit-rating agencies says that the U.S. Treasury Department is likely to continue paying interest on the government’s debt even if Congress fails to lift the limit on borrowing next week, preserving the nation’s sterling AAA credit rating.

 

In a memo being circulated on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Moody’s Investors Service offers “answers to frequently asked questions” about the government shutdown, now in its second week, and the federal debt limit. President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

 

Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

 

” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The memo offers a starkly different view of the consequences of congressional inaction on the debt limit than is held by the White House, many policymakers and other financial analysts. During a press conference at the White House Tuesday, Obama said missing the Oct. 17 deadline would invite “economic chaos.”

 

Moodys also rated MBS as AAA prior to the collapse in 2008.  The rating agencies aren't the smart people in the room.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:18 PM

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao: 

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

You know, sometimes when a hurricane hits, there's federal workers on the ground already with rescue materials. Obviously it means the White House is bombing America with hurricanes.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

 

Yeah he made a good point until I clicked the link and saw the photo. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:29 PM

Here Timmy, another entity chimes in.  You can come down from the ledge.  Or not.

 

http://www.washingto...cb-327c5c814d82

 

Moody's offers different view on debt limit.

 

One of the nation’s top credit-rating agencies says that the U.S. Treasury Department is likely to continue paying interest on the government’s debt even if Congress fails to lift the limit on borrowing next week, preserving the nation’s sterling AAA credit rating.

 

In a memo being circulated on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Moody’s Investors Service offers “answers to frequently asked questions” about the government shutdown, now in its second week, and the federal debt limit. President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

 

Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

 

” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The memo offers a starkly different view of the consequences of congressional inaction on the debt limit than is held by the White House, many policymakers and other financial analysts. During a press conference at the White House Tuesday, Obama said missing the Oct. 17 deadline would invite “economic chaos.”

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

Let me try explaining this in simple words so that you'll understand:

 

The gov-ern-ment has OTHER stuff to pay for along with the debt service. If the gov-ern-ment pays the debt service first, it will not be able to pay for other stuff, like Social Se-cu-ri-ty. That will cause a panic and bring the stock market way down.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:33 PM

 

Here Timmy, another entity chimes in.  You can come down from the ledge.  Or not.

 

http://www.washingto...cb-327c5c814d82

 

Moody's offers different view on debt limit.

 

One of the nation’s top credit-rating agencies says that the U.S. Treasury Department is likely to continue paying interest on the government’s debt even if Congress fails to lift the limit on borrowing next week, preserving the nation’s sterling AAA credit rating.

 

In a memo being circulated on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Moody’s Investors Service offers “answers to frequently asked questions” about the government shutdown, now in its second week, and the federal debt limit. President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

 

Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

 

” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The memo offers a starkly different view of the consequences of congressional inaction on the debt limit than is held by the White House, many policymakers and other financial analysts. During a press conference at the White House Tuesday, Obama said missing the Oct. 17 deadline would invite “economic chaos.”

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

Let me try explaining this in simple words so that you'll understand:

 

The gov-ern-ment has OTHER stuff to pay for along with the debt service. If the gov-ern-ment pays the debt service first, it will not be able to pay for other stuff, like Social Se-cu-ri-ty. That will cause a panic and bring the stock market way down.

 

Timmy, you know better than engaging Jim11. Just do this   :wall: for a couple of hours


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:37 PM

jim11's a troll and I don't care about him, but it seems like the whole conservative world is quoting that Moody's report this morning. Pat Toomey, Jim DeMint, Rush Limbaugh, among others, are all repeating this madness that we can go right past the debt ceiling, no big deal. It's ####### unbelievable.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

It's not like on midnight of October 17 we're all ####ed. The treasury isn't exactly sure when the ceiling is reached. It's supposed to be October 17, but it could be the 21st, or all the way to the end of the month. And even if it is reached on October 17, it won't really matter, from a financial standpoint, until November 1, because that's when the big bills are all due. (Watch Joe T post on October 18, "Timmy! Why didn't the sky fall in?")

 

So there could be some leeway for negotiations to continue even beyond the 17th. Maybe. But there's a risk that the stock market will plunge anyhow as we approach that date.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

Everyone panic!


It is always about the money.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:43 PM

Everyone panic!

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:44 PM

jim11's a troll

 

Oh the irony


I get carried away in arguments trying to make my case/defend my stance. That is different than what I was referring to. Some people like to pop into threads and authoritatively state opinions on situations without actually knowing very much (they don't know historical patterns, coaching tendencies, o-line changes, college performance, etc). They throw out buzz words like burst and vision but don't have a clue. They claim AJ has lost a step when he's really just not getting as many targets. They call Quizz a poor man's Sproles just because he's short. Stuff like that.


#3140 Henry Ford

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:52 PM

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

I can't believe they got that sign made up so fast, to let people know that the park re-opens at 9 a.m.


In this specific case I agree with Hitler.

 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

 

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

 

Valley Forge

 

What is that, 8 1/2 by 11?  I can print up more of those if you need them.  If it's 11 by 17, I'll have to stop by Office Depot for paper.


Edited by Henry Ford, 09 October 2013 - 12:54 PM.

In this specific case I agree with Hitler.

 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:55 PM

 

 

 

 

Usually hostage taking involves guns and illegally confining people against their will to extort huge sums of money. Sometimes the situation ends in multiple people being killed. These are elected officials who were democratically elected and represent over 100 million people trying to enact policies. Not sure how you are unable to come up with differences on your own. Perhaps I can link you to some dictionaries or books on our political system.

Try watching a good Bond film some time. You need to learn to think bigger.
World domination is one of the more extreme motivations. But usually Bond films involve crimes a bit more substantial than just hostage taking.
How does worldwide economic meltdown sound?

Then perhaps Onama might want to consider talking about a solution. If he was a leader a he has to do is say Obamacare is off the table, instead of taking everything off the table. It would be simple to solve and it could be a win-win.

 

They've done this and the followed it up with "we'll even give you the budget number you want" and it was still rejected because the GOP has a single goal in mind.  No amount of "leading" can make them drink.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:59 PM

 

 

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

 

Valley Forge

 

What is that, 8 1/2 by 11?  I can print up more of those if you need them.  If it's 11 by 17, I'll have to stop by Office Depot for paper.

 

To be fair, they are nice signs.  I was going to try and procure one but with the stepped up security, getting one is harder than I anticipated.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

John McCain
 

 

The Arizona Republican spread the blame across party lines, but took a specific dig at members of his own party for refusing to fund the government over President Obama’s health care reform law. “Somehow to think that we were going to repeal Obamacare was false and did people a great disservice!”


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

 

Here Timmy, another entity chimes in.  You can come down from the ledge.  Or not.

 

http://www.washingto...cb-327c5c814d82

 

Moody's offers different view on debt limit.

 

One of the nation’s top credit-rating agencies says that the U.S. Treasury Department is likely to continue paying interest on the government’s debt even if Congress fails to lift the limit on borrowing next week, preserving the nation’s sterling AAA credit rating.

 

In a memo being circulated on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Moody’s Investors Service offers “answers to frequently asked questions” about the government shutdown, now in its second week, and the federal debt limit. President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

 

Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

 

” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default.

The memo offers a starkly different view of the consequences of congressional inaction on the debt limit than is held by the White House, many policymakers and other financial analysts. During a press conference at the White House Tuesday, Obama said missing the Oct. 17 deadline would invite “economic chaos.”

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

Let me try explaining this in simple words so that you'll understand:

 

The gov-ern-ment has OTHER stuff to pay for along with the debt service. If the gov-ern-ment pays the debt service first, it will not be able to pay for other stuff, like Social Se-cu-ri-ty. That will cause a panic and bring the stock market way down.

 

Okay, Chicken Little...panic away.  You obviously know more than Moody's or the WSJ, etc.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

 

 

 

 

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying-"this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown.

 

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.

 

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House

 

link to a picture of the signs.

 

http://www.utsandieg...shutdown-jokes/

 

:lmao:

 

The sign doesn't say anything about a government shutdown.

 

 

Valley Forge

 

What is that, 8 1/2 by 11?  I can print up more of those if you need them.  If it's 11 by 17, I'll have to stop by Office Depot for paper.

 

To be fair, they are nice signs.  I was going to try and procure one but with the stepped up security, getting one is harder than I anticipated.

 

Send a foreigner with a camera in first.  Once the S.W.A.T. team is unleashed on him, just take it and walk away. *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited by Henry Ford, 09 October 2013 - 01:05 PM.

In this specific case I agree with Hitler.

 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:06 PM

jim11's a troll and I don't care about him, but it seems like the whole conservative world is quoting that Moody's report this morning. Pat Toomey, Jim DeMint, Rush Limbaugh, among others, are all repeating this madness that we can go right past the debt ceiling, no big deal. It's ####### unbelievable.

           Yeah, I'm a troll because I don't agree with you or cry like a little girl every time something "bad" might happen.  Interestingly enough, NONE OF YOUR PANICKY, OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING, posts, have ever come true.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:06 PM

Is it bad that I wouldn't put it past the GOP to be intentionally crashing the economy just because they recognize that whichever party has power during a meltdown like this is likely to be blamed and ousted come the next election cycle? Maybe that's even assuming too much coherence in their motives.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

Obviously it means the White House is bombing America with hurricanes.

 

Breitbart and WND are running with this as we speak.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:12 PM

Is the government still shut down?






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