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Is Eddie Lacy officially a stud Running Back? (1 Viewer)

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This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.

 
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Wouldn't mind drafting him in the first round next year, PPR or not. Would prefer to draft him over the likes of Martin, Moreno, Lynch, Murray... hell, maybe even Peterson.

 
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Eminence said:
This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.
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Wait. So where are you slotting Forte? I'm floored that he's not here.

 
While I like Lacy a lot, not so sure how comfortable I am using a 1st rounder on him next year.

Can't say Ive ever been happier taking someone I thought I reached for in the 3rd round though.

 
Blacklava said:
Eminence said:
This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.
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Wait. So where are you slotting Forte? I'm floored that he's not here.
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He's not there because its Eminence...His front is a put on.

Same reason Gio is slotted as a Top7 RB.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Blacklava said:
Eminence said:
This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.
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Wait. So where are you slotting Forte? I'm floored that he's not here.
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He's not there because its Eminence...His front is a put on.

Same reason Gio is slotted as a Top7 RB.
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Is it not apparent that my schtick is that I own a time machine? I'm just trying to help you guys out...

 
Blacklava said:
Eminence said:
This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.
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Wait. So where are you slotting Forte? I'm floored that he's not here.
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I wouldn't be caught dead drafting Matt Forte.

 
Only issue with Lacy is that he runs so hard, hes prone to getting banged up. Other than that, the skys the limit. He can be a 1400 yard, 15 TD back next season if healthy.

 
Gawain said:
In dynasty, Forte is older than the hills.

Going to be 29 during next season.
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Peterson and Johnson are older (Peterson 9 months or so) with significantly more rushes (cumulative and per year). Forte catches up with touches but we all know the receptions in general won't wear him down as much. He probably has a few more solid years, certainly much higher value than CJ1K, especially in PPR.

 
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jeaton6 said:
Gawain said:
In dynasty, Forte is older than the hills.

Going to be 29 during next season.
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Peterson and Johnson are older (Peterson 9 months or so) with significantly more rushes (cumulative and per year). Forte catches up with touches but we all know the receptions in general won't wear him down as much. He probably has a few more solid years, certainly much higher value than CJ1K, especially in PPR.
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FBGs did a study a while back and found there is no such thing as "mileage" as a factor with RBs. Its purely age. 30 year old RBs typically hit a wall, regardless of how many rushes or touches they had up to that point.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm

 
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Lacy absolutely a stud. Averaging 4.2 YPC despite not having Rodgers for several weeks. At 1100 and 10 already. A full season of Rodgers next season, and I think 1400+ and 12+ easily. Then he helps in the passing game too.

Getting one of the best in the game opens things back up drastically. The offense as a whole moves better.

I don't get the lack of love for Forte at this point, but I can see an argument for taking either over the other. I think he's right there in the top 5 for next season.

 
Going to be 29 during next season.

Peterson and Johnson are older (Peterson 9 months or so) with significantly more rushes (cumulative and per year). Forte catches up with touches but we all know the receptions in general won't wear him down as much. He probably has a few more solid years, certainly much higher value than CJ1K, especially in PPR.

FBGs did a study a while back and found there is no such thing as "mileage" as a factor with RBs. Its purely age. 30 year old RBs typically hit a wall, regardless of how many rushes or touches they had up to that point.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm

I don't see anywhere in this study that it says there is no such thing as a mileage factor. It appears to simply be an age based study. We all know on average athletes peak and start to decline with age. Is there a different study showing the mileage factor not being relevant?

 
Native said:
Only issue with Lacy is that he runs so hard, hes prone to getting banged up. Other than that, the skys the limit. He can be a 1400 yard, 15 TD back next season if healthy.
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His health concerns me as well. weren't there reports that he had a degenerate ankle or something before the season? And now he's having ankle problems again?
 
John 14:6 said:
Native said:
Only issue with Lacy is that he runs so hard, hes prone to getting banged up. Other than that, the skys the limit. He can be a 1400 yard, 15 TD back next season if healthy.
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His health concerns me as well. weren't there reports that he had a degenerate ankle or something before the season? And now he's having ankle problems again?
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his health concerns were the major reason for the drop in the NFL draft. Most people just discount those concerns after a decent season, just like they did with Blackmon and now Gordon for the character concerns.

It's a what have you done for me lately hobby, very few consider anything longterm with injury/character concerns.

 
He (Lacy) had two bones in his big toe fused - no degeneration found.* Some teams apparently were advised - rightly or wrongly - that this might shorten his career. His doctor, who did the surgery - rightly or wrongly - stated that there should be no negative impact on Lacy, short term or long. Time will tell.

As to the 'mileage on the tires' study, SSOG (Adam Harstad) posted a different study than the age based findings, which controverted the mileage theory. In that study of players with completed careers, they found that at any age,RRBs who had more carries under their belt had more carries left in their careers than RBs at that age who had fewer carries.* Essentially, the guys who get more carries are those who stay and play longer - so more 'mileage' correlates more closely with more carries yet to come than with less.

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But I can't give you links. I recall reading the Lacy news in the straight media as I was evaluating him with my #1 overall pick last May (I was convinced he was healthy enough and drafted him) and SSOG's study was discussed for 5 or 6 pages of the Jeff Tefertiller's 500 or so page Dynasty thread (and I assume Adam can pretty easily track it down for you upon request - as he's now on FBG staff.

 
I'd say it is safe to say that Lacy, as well as Bell, will be talked about in the same way that Doug Martin was talked about heading into this season and Bernard will have a "pre-season 2013 Dave Wilson" vibe about him.

THis will be an amazingly debated topic in terms of RBs going into next year, after the big 3 of McCoy, Charles, and Peterson.

You have big names coming back from injuries (Martin, Foster, Wilson...to a degree DMAC and MJD, Bradshaw, etc).

You have all the big name rookies from this year.

You have the "what the heck happened" guys (TRICH, Spiller)

You have the 2014 rookies.

You have the lottery tickets from this past season (Lattimore, Michael).

You have at least one big name FA (tate,).

You have the Denver Bronco situation worth watching.

There is going to be a TON of ranges for more RBs than has been in a long, long time and on top of that, there will be surprises. All this on top of a season where more FF owners than ever before felt "burned" by early RB selections this year and will have reservations.

Easily, this will be one of the most exciting off-season conversations in Fantasy in a decade.

 
I like Lacy a lot. He's enjoyed an excellent season and merits a late first round choice. Personally, I'd take Charles, McCoy, ADP, Calvin, and Graham ahead of him.

He could go as high as 1.6 in my book, but I'd probably not pull the trigger there. Need to think on it, but he's in the conversation.

 
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I'm just curious where LeVeon Bell falls compared to Lacy in people's opinions?
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With the slightest improvement in the Steelers offensive line, I am guessing that Bell will easily move in to the next tier of RBs. He's a true 3 down back already, and has the trust of his QB. He's superb catching the ball out of the backfield, and has very good patience in reading his blocks and letting the play develop ahead of him.

I drafted both Lacy and Bell in my keeper league this season (Lacy 5th round, Bell 10th round). We get to keep 3 players, all of different positions. We have to forfeit the round we drafted the player in the previous year, and can only keep a player for one year. Obviously, both a great backs and have a ton of upside for this coming season. To me, it was a no-brainer... Bell for my 10th pick made so much more sense than Lacy for my 5th. I packaged up Lacy in a deal earlier in the season, and haven't regretted the decision since.

 
Eminence said:
Blacklava said:
Eminence said:
This is what he's doing with Matt Flynn at Quarterback. His Touchdown totals could theoritically go up purely based on the amount of opportunity he's going to have. He's a pretty decent threat in the passing game from what I saw this year.

He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.

Jamaal Charles

LeSean McCoy

Eddie Lacy

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

Chris Johnson

Giovanni Bernard

I don't want to jinx myself but Lacy has looked in credible in Green Bay. Not sure there are many other Running Backs I'd want besides this guy at this point.
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Wait. So where are you slotting Forte? I'm floored that he's not here.
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I wouldn't be caught dead drafting Matt Forte.
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It's like these people don't know who they are ####### with. Tell em you once made some threads.

 
Eminence said:
He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.
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Lacy is good, but he doesn't seem like a better Lynch. Not even almost.

He is a poor man's Lynch. Which is still very good.

 
FF Ninja said:
Eminence said:
He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.
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Lacy is good, but he doesn't seem like a better Lynch. Not even almost.

He is a poor man's Lynch. Which is still very good.
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What? You're kidding, right? Lacy is right there even with Lynch - maybe slightly behind due to experience at this point.

 
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He does look better than the Marshawn we saw in Buffalo as a rook. They are very very close. Playing style, production...

 
MaxThreshold said:
FF Ninja said:
Eminence said:
He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.
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Lacy is good, but he doesn't seem like a better Lynch. Not even almost.

He is a poor man's Lynch. Which is still very good.
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What? You're kidding, right? Lacy is right there even with Lynch - maybe slightly behind due to experience at this point.
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If you're only looking at numbers, maybe. If you're watching both of them play football, not a chance. Lacy has no where near the lateral ability and instant acceleration of Lynch.

 
I'm ok with Lacy emulating Lynch's powerful running style as long as he doesn't copy Lynch's off field drama. I'm usually not one to anoint any back "stud" status after just 1 season. Lacy is certainly looking like he's the part though although I really don't see that much of a separation between him and Stacy which probably means I won't be spending a first round pick on him in 2014. I would be thrilled to land him in round 2 though.

 
He's looked good, but with a healthy Rodgers do they feature the run game next year? If so, Rodgers moves way down. Even without Rodgers most of the year GB is 9th in scoring.

 
Rodgers TD runs will just go to Ed. Pretty simple. I highly doubt they actively look to take the ball out of ARodge's hands tho

 
When Rodgers was healthy, the lead back (so counting the one game that was primarily Starks and the one that was primarily Franklin when Lacy had his concussion) in GB averaged 15.1 points per game (non-ppr). That's over 240 points over a full season. Having Rodgers just opens things up for the RBs. They may not get as many touches, but they should be more efficient with the ones they get.

 
Couple of things to consider here....Lacy has 1 more game played(due to the early bye), Peterson injury, Lynch on the bench from blow outs, Charles 50 point game with only 20 rushing yards, etc., but......

Rushing yards since week 5:

Lacy: 1,061

McCoy: 1,008

Peterson: 845

Charles: 998

Lynch: 852

 
tricky92 said:
MaxThreshold said:
FF Ninja said:
Eminence said:
He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.
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Lacy is good, but he doesn't seem like a better Lynch. Not even almost.

He is a poor man's Lynch. Which is still very good.
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What? You're kidding, right? Lacy is right there even with Lynch - maybe slightly behind due to experience at this point.
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If you're only looking at numbers, maybe. If you're watching both of them play football, not a chance. Lacy has no where near the lateral ability and instant acceleration of Lynch.
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I don't really know if this is true. Both of these guys are power backs, but both have an amazing talent of being light of foot and finding the right holes before they unload. The one thing that has amazed me about Lacy is his patience and his ability to see the hole. He rarely makes the wrong cut and when you have Flynn as your QB and the defence is expecting you to get the ball you better find that small hole and quick which he always seems to do. Lynch in Buffalo was not able to do this, Lynch in Seattle has been doing this a lot.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
tricky92 said:
MaxThreshold said:
FF Ninja said:
Eminence said:
He almost seems like a better Marshawn Lynch in a superior offense.
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Lacy is good, but he doesn't seem like a better Lynch. Not even almost.

He is a poor man's Lynch. Which is still very good.
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What? You're kidding, right? Lacy is right there even with Lynch - maybe slightly behind due to experience at this point.
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If you're only looking at numbers, maybe. If you're watching both of them play football, not a chance. Lacy has no where near the lateral ability and instant acceleration of Lynch.
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I don't really know if this is true. Both of these guys are power backs, but both have an amazing talent of being light of foot and finding the right holes before they unload. The one thing that has amazed me about Lacy is his patience and his ability to see the hole. He rarely makes the wrong cut and when you have Flynn as your QB and the defence is expecting you to get the ball you better find that small hole and quick which he always seems to do. Lynch in Buffalo was not able to do this, Lynch in Seattle has been doing this a lot.
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You must have missed 2007 and 2008.

Lynch was a very good RB in Buffalo. He just fell out of favor due to the off field nonsense and lost his job to Fred Jackson, who is damn good himself and has zero baggage.

 
Why wouldn't Stacy be considered in this conversation?

As said above..

Since week 5- 954 yds & 7 TDs

I would not be drafting Lacy in the first round, as I would like to see him stay healthy before I use that kind of pick on him

 
Riversco said:
jeaton6 said:
Gawain said:
In dynasty, Forte is older than the hills.

Going to be 29 during next season.
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Peterson and Johnson are older (Peterson 9 months or so) with significantly more rushes (cumulative and per year). Forte catches up with touches but we all know the receptions in general won't wear him down as much. He probably has a few more solid years, certainly much higher value than CJ1K, especially in PPR.
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FBGs did a study a while back and found there is no such thing as "mileage" as a factor with RBs. Its purely age. 30 year old RBs typically hit a wall, regardless of how many rushes or touches they had up to that point.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm
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And I completely disagree with their analysis. Common sense alone says that taking a few hundred extra hits would wear down any person's body. Sometimes common sense overrules a small sample size of "analysis"

 
Like Lev Bell more... I think he'll have more games played (obviously nobody knows this, just my gut) & I think Lacy will be more of a timeshare next year. Both prob first rounders, early 2nd at worst next year.

 
Alkahsu said:
Couple of things to consider here....Lacy has 1 more game played(due to the early bye), Peterson injury, Lynch on the bench from blow outs, Charles 50 point game with only 20 rushing yards, etc., but......

Rushing yards since week 5:

Lacy: 1,061

McCoy: 1,008

Peterson: 845

Charles: 998

Lynch: 852
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Lacy had his bye week 4.

So he has an extra game (and Peterson essentially missed 2 games).

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Alkahsu said:
Couple of things to consider here....Lacy has 1 more game played(due to the early bye), Peterson injury, Lynch on the bench from blow outs, Charles 50 point game with only 20 rushing yards, etc., but......

Rushing yards since week 5:

Lacy: 1,061

McCoy: 1,008

Peterson: 845

Charles: 998

Lynch: 852
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Lacy had his bye week 4.

So he has an extra game (and Peterson essentially missed 2 games).
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When factoring in APY I feel Lynch takes a decent drop compared to the rest of these guys.

 
Not elite, but has potential to be. He runs hard but gets hurt too often to be considered elite. He's a good RB but we pass out the elite or great titles too easy, not elite for me.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Alkahsu said:
Couple of things to consider here....Lacy has 1 more game played(due to the early bye), Peterson injury, Lynch on the bench from blow outs, Charles 50 point game with only 20 rushing yards, etc., but......

Rushing yards since week 5:

Lacy: 1,061

McCoy: 1,008

Peterson: 845

Charles: 998

Lynch: 852
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Lacy had his bye week 4.

So he has an extra game (and Peterson essentially missed 2 games).
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You obviously didn't read my post...or you like to repeat information.

 
Spaces Lines and Laces said:
Lacy absolutely a stud. Averaging 4.2 YPC despite not having Rodgers for several weeks. At 1100 and 10 already. A full season of Rodgers next season, and I think 1400+ and 12+ easily. Then he helps in the passing game too.

Getting one of the best in the game opens things back up drastically. The offense as a whole moves better.

I don't get the lack of love for Forte at this point, but I can see an argument for taking either over the other. I think he's right there in the top 5 for next season.
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Lacy was only averaging 4.44 YPC when Rodgers played. I don't see anything special as a runner from a real-life standpoint, but he'll be a fantasy stud as long as he gets 20+ carries.

 
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Warrior said:
Riversco said:
jeaton6 said:
Gawain said:
In dynasty, Forte is older than the hills.

Going to be 29 during next season.
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Peterson and Johnson are older (Peterson 9 months or so) with significantly more rushes (cumulative and per year). Forte catches up with touches but we all know the receptions in general won't wear him down as much. He probably has a few more solid years, certainly much higher value than CJ1K, especially in PPR.
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FBGs did a study a while back and found there is no such thing as "mileage" as a factor with RBs. Its purely age. 30 year old RBs typically hit a wall, regardless of how many rushes or touches they had up to that point.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm
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And I completely disagree with their analysis. Common sense alone says that taking a few hundred extra hits would wear down any person's body. Sometimes common sense overrules a small sample size of "analysis"
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Also as stated before this analysis is age based it is silent on mileage factor anyways.

 
I've only seen him against my favorite squad (Vikings) and a few possessions here and there, but I think he's the best back they've had there in as long as I can remember (Ahman Green?). I don't think the comparisons to Lynch are unfair at all...he seems to have quick feet and great balance for a big guy and I just don't get the feeling that the game is too fast for him. As a Vikings fan I'm not happy they've added him to that passing attack...whether or not it will translate into fantasy points I have no idea

 
Lacy both as a player and as a fantasy guy has stud potential.

What makes a guy a stud? I would say having the ability to produce very good numbers at the NFL level no matter what the situation. I don't think people understand how good Lacy's play has been this year even with Matt Flynn as the qb. I have trouble betting against a guy like Lacy who has always produced stud numbers no matter where and what the situation has been. In high school, in college (even though he ran behind an awesome O line his per touch average was always better than the other guys), and now in the NFL even with a guy like Flynn as the QB.

But don't take my word on it take this article for instance from Adam Schein

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000300809/article/eddie-lacy-is-packers-mvp-and-a-nobrainer-rookie-of-the-year

 
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Maybe he is Ahmad Bradshaw. Not a guy who, in real life, we will every describe as "Special", but a guy in fantasy that will be super steady and often undervalued. Almost like CedBen in those Bengals years.

 
Shutout said:
Maybe he is Ahmad Bradshaw. Not a guy who, in real life, we will every describe as "Special", but a guy in fantasy that will be super steady and often undervalued. Almost like CedBen in those Bengals years.
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Lacy certainly isn't going to be undervalued anytime soon -- he'll be going as a RB1 next year and justifiably so. He's already damn near untouchable in dynasty formats.

I don't see the Bradshaw comparison even a little. Bradshaw lacked the physical tools of Lacy and got by as a FF asset based on his versatility as a runner, blocker, and receiver. Lacy is already a dominant power RB that will be used to bludgeon defenses.

Cedric Benson? Seriously? Benson sucked -- he was a mediocre fantasy RB based purely on volume but was never even close to the NFL asset that Lacy has been as a rookie.

 
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