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How the NFL screwed the Niners (1 Viewer)

That guy may end up needing a good lawyer if this goes viral.

Generally speaking it's a bad idea to say things like "the NFL fixes games" and "they use the referees to do it" in the absence of any evidence.

 
Never blame on conspiracy that which you can blame on incompetency. There would have to be enough people in on it that someone would eventually leak, with proof.

Most of those points are fabricated. And I'm too lazy to go back and watch the original footage of the clock lapses to see if whoever made that video is making stuff up. (My money would bet that the author knows most people won't bother to fact check.)

It was a hell of a game game that could have easily gone either way. For 49er fans, it was a heartbreaking loss. Congrats Seattle, you followed up with a SB win worthy of winning the NFC Title.

 
No way was the game rigged by the NFL, but when watching the game, it was clear that the 49ers were getting the short end of the calls. The non-call on the roughing the kicker was brutal (and led directly to Seattle's winning score). But what's done is done. :shrug:

 
I hate fans using bad calls and non calls as excuses for their team's loss. The NFL officials are not very good and seem to be getting worse but even if they were good you still are going to have calls go against your team and sometimes it isn't "fair".

Great teams overcome them, not-so-great teams complain about them.

 
Makes the rest of us look bad.

Quit ####ting the bed in the red zone and we could have back to back Super Bowls at this point.

 
Godsbrother said:
I hate fans using bad calls and non calls as excuses for their team's loss. The NFL officials are not very good and seem to be getting worse but even if they were good you still are going to have calls go against your team and sometimes it isn't "fair".

Great teams overcome them, not-so-great teams complain about them.
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:goodposting:

Just like injuries.

 
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.

 
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Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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Not sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.

 
Da Guru said:
Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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Not sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.
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It's not the replays that Parcells (and many other respected NFL analysts) was referring to, nor was I. Sure we can see the slow motion replay, but so can the referees on many plays. That they manage to even botch some of those calls is even outside the point. It's that the NFL has legislated the play of the game to the point where the calling of penalties is significantly more subjective than in the past: the variables have been increased, and by no small amount.I haven't stopped to think about when this really began, but off the top of my head I would go back to the "tuck rule" and how ambiguous that ended making a call the league (one must assume) was trying to clear up. More recently, the "completing the process" of a catch while "going to the ground" is consistently called inconsistently. That phrase was used intentionally because I wanted to emphasize the confusion that the layers of minutiae recently added to the rule books has brought about. It's quite obvious that since the Calvin Johnson (non) TD against the Bears three seasons ago the league has made the calls more difficult, and less objective by adding more variables.

Add the issue of injuries, particularly concussions via helmet to helmet contact, and the incalculable number of variables and factors involved in those collisions and you are bound to have serious inconsistencies in calls across games.

It's a tough situation to address for sure, but you were correct in saying that the speed of the game is a factor. The NFL has a collection of aging and entrenched referees who have some serious bargaining power. They aren't going anywhere soon and that will only add to the problems in the future. IMO they need to get younger, better trained, be full time and have the variables decreased. More on this was discussed in the bad calls by the refs thread over the past few months. Long story short, the NFL was hamstrung by the perception (played up heavily in the media) that the replacement refs last year performed significantly worse than the regular zebras, when in fact there is no solid evidence of this.

 
Da Guru said:
Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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Not sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.
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Yeah because it is so far fetched to think a multibillion dollar company is going to do whats in the best interest for them. Lots of shady stuff happens and we know it, but with think everything is on the up and up. All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game. NBA refs can do it but not NFL refs?

 
Sweetness_34 said:
The video captures it perfectly.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/02/04/watch-proof-that-seahawks-nfc-championship-game-victory-was-rigged/
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This thread goes along with my superbowl rigged thread... Lot's of ####tty calls in the NFC champ game and the refs had to try harder to let Sea beat SF then they did for DEN.... either way terrible calls and the Kicker one was the one that got me and I remember while watching how terrible that call was and how it changed monentum along with a few of them stupid push calls and helme to helmet or Shoulder hits. Clearly Someone with power wanted Seattle Hawks to do well.

 
The delay of game penalty at the end of the game with 34 seconds elapsing that made it instead of 3rd and 1 3rd and 6 was the nail on the coffin... The missed, botched kicker penalty along with 2 weak calls earlier in the game, the non call delay of game on Sea and instead giving them more time and allowing them to call a time out, the 2nd and 5 run by lynch which was at least a yard short, and on and on and on this is a great vid.... Terrible job of rigging games as I think more people are exposed this year and will not be trapped into losing money to these Zionist thieves. The NFL is a joke and a circus.

 
Ghost Rider said:
No way was the game rigged by the NFL, but when watching the game, it was clear that the 49ers were getting the short end of the calls. The non-call on the roughing the kicker was brutal (and led directly to Seattle's winning score). But what's done is done. :shrug:
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yea it was just all coincodoink, go back to watching your american gladiator and eating your gmo corn dumbasses... It clearly was rigged.

 
T with T said:
The delay of game penalty at the end of the game with 34 seconds elapsing that made it instead of 3rd and 1 3rd and 6 was the nail on the coffin... The missed, botched kicker penalty along with 2 weak calls earlier in the game, the non call delay of game on Sea and instead giving them more time and allowing them to call a time out, the 2nd and 5 run by lynch which was at least a yard short, and on and on and on this is a great vid.... Terrible job of rigging games as I think more people are exposed this year and will not be trapped into losing money to these Zionist thieves. The NFL is a joke and a circus.
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You sound very reasonable and not at all completely insane

 
Really the 9ers play dirty ball all the time - they must be near the lead in the league in players knocked out of games and helmet to helmet hits.

I have no sympathy for them. The Seahawks deserved that game and the championship.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Really the 9ers play dirty ball all the time - they must be near the lead in the league in players knocked out of games and helmet to helmet hits.

I have no sympathy for them. The Seahawks deserved that game and the championship.
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What does any of that have to do with bad calls and the possibility of a game being rigged?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Really the 9ers play dirty ball all the time - they must be near the lead in the league in players knocked out of games and helmet to helmet hits.

I have no sympathy for them. The Seahawks deserved that game and the championship.
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:tinfoilhat:

 
False Start said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Really the 9ers play dirty ball all the time - they must be near the lead in the league in players knocked out of games and helmet to helmet hits.

I have no sympathy for them. The Seahawks deserved that game and the championship.
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What does any of that have to do with bad calls and the possibility of a game being rigged?
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Well for one thing I'm just lashing at the 9ers because I don't like the team, their coach or their "style" of play.

However more specifically it was this comment...

a few of them stupid push calls and helme to helmet or shoulder hits ...
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While I agree that that rule is way out of control (the Saints had a major one called unfairly on them vs the Seahawks too) I think the 9ers get away with a lot of legal helmet to helmet hits all the time, they regularly knock players out.

I don't think the rigging allegation deserves real response. If anything I think the NFL desired a Manning win. If anything if the league had wanted to sway the game I would have expected some early cheap bs PI or def holding calls against the Hawks when they hadn't been called all year.

 
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False Start said:
Da Guru said:
Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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Not sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.
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Yeah because it is so far fetched to think a multibillion dollar company is going to do whats in the best interest for them. Lots of shady stuff happens and we know it, but with think everything is on the up and up. All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game. NBA refs can do it but not NFL refs?
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Games aren't fixed.Officiating is compromised.

 
Wingnut said:
Ghost Rider said:
False Start said:
All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game.
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What would be the advantage of the NFL having fixed that particular game?
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The video claims the NFL wanted the SB to feature the #1 offense vs the #1 defense.
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I was talking about the NE/Carolina game.

False Start said:
Ghost Rider said:
False Start said:
All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game.
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What would be the advantage of the NFL having fixed that particular game?
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Does that need to be answered? Money and Ratings.
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Because having the Panthers win, instead of the Patriots (who are like this generation's Cowboys), is gonna equal more ratings and money? Really?

 
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Neofight said:
False Start said:
Da Guru said:
Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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Not sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.
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Yeah because it is so far fetched to think a multibillion dollar company is going to do whats in the best interest for them. Lots of shady stuff happens and we know it, but with think everything is on the up and up. All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game. NBA refs can do it but not NFL refs?
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Games aren't fixed.Officiating is compromised.
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While I agree that is the case, I am sure (no proof, just logic of life, society and politics) that the league suggests the way some calls should go. Like for instance, Hey guys, we really think it would be great to have the #1 O vs #1 D in the SB, don't you?" Thats all that needs to be said for the officials to catch the drift.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
False Start said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Really the 9ers play dirty ball all the time - they must be near the lead in the league in players knocked out of games and helmet to helmet hits.

I have no sympathy for them. The Seahawks deserved that game and the championship.
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What does any of that have to do with bad calls and the possibility of a game being rigged?
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Well for one thing I'm just lashing at the 9ers because I don't like the team, their coach or their "style" of play.

However more specifically it was this comment...

a few of them stupid push calls and helme to helmet or shoulder hits ...
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While I agree that that rule is way out of control (the Saints had a major one called unfairly on them vs the Seahawks too) I think the 9ers get away with a lot of legal helmet to helmet hits all the time, they regularly knock players out.

I don't think the rigging allegation deserves real response. If anything I think the NFL desired a Manning win. If anything if the league had wanted to sway the game I would have expected some early cheap bs PI or def holding calls against the Hawks when they hadn't been called all year.
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Assuming you're a Saints fan, I got a chuckle out of the bolded part considering the recent bounty fiasco out of NOLA.

 
One can argue about whether one game was fixed or not, but there is no argument about whether games have been or will be fixed in the future.

 
False Start said:
Neofight said:
False Start said:
Da Guru said:
Neofight said:
The real problem that the NFL faces - and which directly leads to fanatical, hyperbolic reactions like the video - is that the officiating is truly at an all time low (at least in my 35+ years of viewership). The product they put on the field is indeed being directly and adversely affected by the referees. The video may be as bad as the officiating in some of its judgements, and uses some questionable logic, but this type of fan reaction will undoubtedly become more commonplace in the age of social media.

Bill Parcels put the issue as succinctly and accurately is I've yet heard the NFL officiating dilemma described. He said that in coaching there is a premium placed on increasing quality by decreasing variables. The NFL has most certainly increased the variables that the officials deal with on a weekly basis via its many rule changes.
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corrupt<>compromisedNot sure if the officiating is really much different than ever. The game is much faster and then the play is shown frame by frame in super slow motion to the fans. What we see on the slow motion replay and what the ref sees at game speed is totally different.
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Yeah because it is so far fetched to think a multibillion dollar company is going to do whats in the best interest for them. Lots of shady stuff happens and we know it, but with think everything is on the up and up. All I needed to see to know the games are fixed is the PI call at the end of the Carolina and New England game. NBA refs can do it but not NFL refs?
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Games aren't fixed.Officiating is compromised.
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While I agree that is the case, I am sure (no proof, just logic of life, society and politics) that the league suggests the way some calls should go. Like for instance, Hey guys, we really think it would be great to have the #1 O vs #1 D in the SB, don't you?" Thats all that needs to be said for the officials to catch the drift.
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corrupted<>compromised
 
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The 49ers got screwed big on 3 penalty calls (Roughing the punter should have been a 15 yarder and 1st down, 15 yarder on Carlos Rodgers at the end of the 1st half, and Donte Whitner hitting a defenseless receiver that resulted in a Seattle FG) and yet still had the lead entering 4th quarter.

Seattle was worthless on offense most of the game and somehow on 3rd and 12 get a 40 yard TD run from Lynch? No one all year ran for a 40 yard TD on the 49ers D. Those were Seattle's 2 TDs and both came from outside the red zone.

Then on 4th and 2 get a offside called, throw a miracle pass into the end zone for TD? What? This type of stuff is unreal and then of course Navarro Bowman blows his knee out, the replay clearly shows he stripped the ball, got possession of it before the ensuing dog pile and it is not reviewable?

Then Seattle for no good reason goes for it on 4th down when they knew full well they should have turned the ball over on the previous play fumbles it back to the 49ers? Essentially vindicating Bowman in the process??? Wow...

One can argue all these things are "coincidence" but here is why I believe it was fixed. Colin Kaepernick during this 8 game winning streak never turned the ball over, he had 3 total during the streak.

In the 4th he fumbles the ball with a defender in his face! Huh? Not even a blindside a hit, Kaep knows better, this after he had another fumble in a similar fashion but 49ers C Jonathan Goodwin picked it up to save the day. Then Kaep throws a pick that was absolutely horrible to the sideline after the Lynch fumble on the goal line.

Even after these 2 horrific turnovers, Bowman blowing his knee out, Lynch fumbling at the goal line, Kaep takes them down the field only to have Richard Sherman tip a pass for a INT? Why not call a timeout there, they have two left? They let 20 secs run of the clock and throw it at Sherman who is the best corner back in the league? What is going on here!

Did anyone see the new beats commercial with Sherman? This after Kaepernick had one for months running and of course on the final play of the game its a play involving Sherman and Kaepernick to decide the game? Looks like the NFL got its entertainment value and $$$ of the advertising campaign and Dr. Dre was in Seattle for this game.

All the money was on the 49ers, money line and spread, Vegas was praying for a Seattle win and got them to cover the -3 too.

Not to mention with Sherman going "off" after the game on national TV it made the entire public hate Seattle therefore all the money is on Denver for the SB! 80%??, Vegas had Seattle -2 to start but Sherman has made the entire country root for Denver and people are betting on it too.

It was obvious this game was rigged and the Lynch fumble along with Kapernick's 3 TOs in the 4th prove it big time. The NFL and Vegas knew a SF-Denver SB would have been split money wise. With Sherman going off making the whole public hate him and the entire Seattle team it skewed the lines big time for Denver.

 
How are T and Sweetness gonna take it when they learn it was a group of Seahawk fans behind the video and articles?

#conspiraSea

 
And just because I can... Hey niner fans, how does it feel knowing Tarvaris Jackson has more super bowl rings than Colin Kaepernick?

 
Shawn said:
And just because I can... Hey niner fans, how does it feel knowing Tarvaris Jackson has more super bowl rings than Colin Kaepernick?
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not a Niners fan, but I have to say this might be the dumbest post I've ever read on this board.
 
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