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RB's about to break out? (1 Viewer)

theEinherjar

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Crowell, C.J. Anderson, McKinnon, Taliaferro, and Sankey seem to be the 5 RB's on the verge of breaking out this year.

I'm curious what other people think. Which of these guys is about to become the most valuable? Did I miss anyone?

 
Not sure where you get the CJ Anderson breakout. I do like all the rest. McKinnon seems to have a pretty clear path based on opportunity. Sankey as well, but I am a little confused on why he hasn't carried the rock even more (considering who is ahead of him and their record).

 
Not sure where you get the CJ Anderson breakout. I do like all the rest. McKinnon seems to have a pretty clear path based on opportunity. Sankey as well, but I am a little confused on why he hasn't carried the rock even more (considering who is ahead of him and their record).
Anderson comes mostly from Ball's poor performance so far. Obviously none of these guys are locks, but he seems to have a path to production if Ball doesn't get it together (Though hillman may be too big a block there.)

 
Crowell, C.J. Anderson, McKinnon, Taliaferro, and Sankey seem to be the 5 RB's on the verge of breaking out this year.

I'm curious what other people think. Which of these guys is about to become the most valuable? Did I miss anyone?
I'd put Anderson at the bottom of that list. Probably Crowell at he top (he's the only one I own on any team) then maybe Sankey.

Barring an injury to ball I just don't see Anderson "breaking out".

 
Denard Robinson is an interesting name that may begin to creep up there. The offensive line is still garbage but his opportunity seems to be there with Gerhart, lets just call it, "underperforming". Not my favorite RB on that roster but he showed decent this weekend and seems to be in the #2 role in that new RBBC.

 
Does "not McCoy" count?

If the rumored Dennis Allen firing had been true, I'd roll the dice on Latavius Murray
I wouldn't say it's "not true" so much as it's "premature". It would be like if someone reported that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian had broken up. Give it time.

 
Does "not McCoy" count?

If the rumored Dennis Allen firing had been true, I'd roll the dice on Latavius Murray
I wouldn't say it's "not true" so much as it's "premature". It would be like if someone reported that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian had broken up. Give it time.
Did you really just post that in a football thread, actually any thread. You should be embarrassed.
 
It would be nice if tate took one more week to get back and crowell absolutely blew up. Wishful thinking I know...

 
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Crowell -- I think even with Tate back he'll bust out. RW says Tate will have 15 touches a game. If Crowell is as dynamic as advertised, he'll have touches enough. Seems like West is getting relegated to a distant 3rd.

Denard Robinson -- RW says he out-snapped Gerhart 36-21 vs. SD.

Brandon Oliver -- Brown only averaging 1.93 YPC. Mathews back soon but never seems to stay healthy for long.

Chris Ogbonnaya - Just signed with Carolina, where DWill, JStew, and Tolbert all are out several weeks.

Chris Ivory - Already looking good, likely will continue to outshine Chris Johnson and distance himself as long as he can stay healthy.

Andre Williams -- Not because of what he did vs. Washington, but because Jennings is on pace for an unprecedented 324 carry workload, which would smash his personal high of 163. Williams likely will get some chances to spell Rashad or will have to take over if he breaks down.

 
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Definitely Crowell and Taliaferro. The Cleveland and Baltimore O-lines are absolutely killing it right now.

Latavius Murray is a really good call, it may work out. Who knows what happens with the new coach but it's a possibility.

 
Reaves had a relatively underwhelming game this week, but he's the only healthy RB in Carolina. I would think he's a definite add at the moment, despite the signing of Ogbannaya. He won't get on the field if his pass protection is that bad, but I think we know that Ogbannaya at this point isn't going to break out. Got a bit of burst to him.

 
we're rapidly approaching the DeMarco Murray "dead-zone", a time and place where he consistently breaks down, every year...who is the backup to own in Dallas?

I like the A. Williams call

Crowell seems destined to be a stud, this season and beyond - doubtful Tate makes much of an impact upon his return.

Taliaferro working his way up the charts.

Starks, if Lacy continues to flop

I like some of the other calls like D. Robinson, Oliver, etc..

lukewarm interest in Sankey - Whisenhunt isn't doing a good job in Tenn

Carlos Hyde - if the Niners truly do plan to lighten the load on Gore, they should turn to Hyde for some action..but his 3.7 pc avg is alarming..

K. Robinson should continue to do well at least until Ingram comes back..and the Saints play puff pieces in fantasy playoff weeks, last 5 games: Steelers,Panthers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs..at the very least he'll get lots of mop-up plays against inferior run defenses..

 
Does "not McCoy" count?

If the rumored Dennis Allen firing had been true, I'd roll the dice on Latavius Murray
I wouldn't say it's "not true" so much as it's "premature". It would be like if someone reported that Kanye West and Kim Kardashian had broken up. Give it time.
Did you really just post that in a football thread, actually any thread. You should be embarrassed.
Nah I liked it... Any time you can use a Kanye west Kimmy K reference it's a win

 
Ill add a vote for Andre Williams and throw out Joseph Randle. The guys in front of them have never carried the load a whole season and have a long injury history. Plus their teams are running them A LOT

 
ldizzle said:
Ill add a vote for Andre Williams and throw out Joseph Randle. The guys in front of them have never carried the load a whole season and have a long injury history. Plus their teams are running them A LOT
Definitely. I vote for the guys playing on teams who run the ball a ton to start with, and appear to have pretty good overall offenses that are clicking right now. A few names like Denard Robinson, Starks, etc, just don't seem the system or line blocking is there to produce high enough numbers.

 
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As far as RBs with the least competition in front of them go, I would have to say Ivory and Sankey are the best bets to breakout.

I concur that Crowell, McKinnon, and Taliaferro are candidates. I don't understand where Anderson is coming from either. Everyone else mention is nothing more than a possibility this time only if an injury occurs. Choose your lottery ticket accordingly, I guess.

 
As far as RBs with the least competition in front of them go, I would have to say Ivory and Sankey are the best bets to breakout.
Agreed - Sankey should be #1 soon and Ivory is the better player. Ivory tends to get hurt every year at some point so he may be capped by Johnson for a while longer.

 
Antone Smith is making too many explosive plays to be limited to 4 touches. A couple more weeks of 15-50 from Steven Jackson and he could be seeing his carry total go up significantly.

 
Tanner9919 said:
we're rapidly approaching the DeMarco Murray "dead-zone", a time and place where he consistently breaks down, every year...who is the backup to own in Dallas?

I expected Dunbar to have a larger role in the Dallas offense, but with Murray running so well, Dunbar has scarcely seen the field. In the event of a Murray breakdown, I have to believe Dunbar's role would expand, but he is not every-down RB material at his size. IMO, Joseph Randle would handle the bulk of the work. Both could have some value, however.

I like the A. Williams call.

The Giants recognized the need to reduce Jennings' workload, and in Week 4, Williams actually had more carries than Jennings. It is encouraging that Williams has had some involvement in the passing game, although his limited pass-catching skills hinders his PPR value.

Crowell seems destined to be a stud, this season and beyond - doubtful Tate makes much of an impact upon his return.

This has all the earmarks of a three-headed committee, but if Crowell can continue to impress, he could expand his role. Crowell is a fantastic dynasty hold, but prepare for some frustration this season as the Browns rotate Tate, West and Crowell in the lineup.

Taliaferro working his way up the charts.

Again, this looks like a RBBC situation. Taliaferro has impressed so far, but neither Forsett nor Pierce is going to vanish.

Starks, if Lacy continues to flop.

Barring a Lacy injury, Starks presents little value. He may have some decent games, but predicting when will be next to impossible.

I like some of the other calls like D. Robinson, Oliver, etc.

For all the talk about how poorly Donald Brown has run, Oliver's stats were only marginally better. If he proves to be a Woodhead replacement, he could carve out a PPR role, but that seems unlikely. The window is limited here. Once Ryan Mathews returns, I would expect Oliver to have limited value.

Denard Robinson intrigues me. He did not fare any better than Gerhart running behind Jacksonville's woeful O-line, but he brings that home run hitter element to the game, much like Jerick McKinnon.

lukewarm interest in Sankey - Whisenhunt isn't doing a good job in Tenn.

You are right about Whisenhunt. The Titans are unimpressive right now. However, Sankey does intrigue me. I expect his role to expand, and he is doing well with the carries he has received.

Carlos Hyde - if the Niners truly do plan to lighten the load on Gore, they should turn to Hyde for some action..but his 3.7 pc avg is alarming.

Gore reminded us this week that the Niners' offense should run through him. Hyde is a fantastic dynasty hold and handcuff, but he is not a reliable weekly starter as anything more than a desperation flex at this point.

K. Robinson should continue to do well at least until Ingram comes back..and the Saints play puff pieces in fantasy playoff weeks, last 5 games: Steelers,Panthers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs..at the very least he'll get lots of mop-up plays against inferior run defenses.

Ingram is expected back after the Saints' Week #6 bye, so Khiry's window is one more game. Khiry salvaged a decent fantasy game this week with a nice 62-yard run late, but he only touched the ball 10 times, and he gives way to Pierre Thomas and Travaris Cadet on passing downs.
 
Tanner9919 said:
we're rapidly approaching the DeMarco Murray "dead-zone", a time and place where he consistently breaks down, every year...who is the backup to own in Dallas?

I expected Dunbar to have a larger role in the Dallas offense, but with Murray running so well, Dunbar has scarcely seen the field. In the event of a Murray breakdown, I have to believe Dunbar's role would expand, but he is not every-down RB material at his size. IMO, Joseph Randle would handle the bulk of the work. Both could have some value, however.

I like the A. Williams call.

The Giants recognized the need to reduce Jennings' workload, and in Week 4, Williams actually had more carries than Jennings. It is encouraging that Williams has had some involvement in the passing game, although his limited pass-catching skills hinders his PPR value.

Crowell seems destined to be a stud, this season and beyond - doubtful Tate makes much of an impact upon his return.

This has all the earmarks of a three-headed committee, but if Crowell can continue to impress, he could expand his role. Crowell is a fantastic dynasty hold, but prepare for some frustration this season as the Browns rotate Tate, West and Crowell in the lineup.

Taliaferro working his way up the charts.

Again, this looks like a RBBC situation. Taliaferro has impressed so far, but neither Forsett nor Pierce is going to vanish.

Starks, if Lacy continues to flop.

Barring a Lacy injury, Starks presents little value. He may have some decent games, but predicting when will be next to impossible.

I like some of the other calls like D. Robinson, Oliver, etc.

For all the talk about how poorly Donald Brown has run, Oliver's stats were only marginally better. If he proves to be a Woodhead replacement, he could carve out a PPR role, but that seems unlikely. The window is limited here. Once Ryan Mathews returns, I would expect Oliver to have limited value.

Denard Robinson intrigues me. He did not fare any better than Gerhart running behind Jacksonville's woeful O-line, but he brings that home run hitter element to the game, much like Jerick McKinnon.

lukewarm interest in Sankey - Whisenhunt isn't doing a good job in Tenn.

You are right about Whisenhunt. The Titans are unimpressive right now. However, Sankey does intrigue me. I expect his role to expand, and he is doing well with the carries he has received.

Carlos Hyde - if the Niners truly do plan to lighten the load on Gore, they should turn to Hyde for some action..but his 3.7 pc avg is alarming.

Gore reminded us this week that the Niners' offense should run through him. Hyde is a fantastic dynasty hold and handcuff, but he is not a reliable weekly starter as anything more than a desperation flex at this point.

K. Robinson should continue to do well at least until Ingram comes back..and the Saints play puff pieces in fantasy playoff weeks, last 5 games: Steelers,Panthers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs..at the very least he'll get lots of mop-up plays against inferior run defenses.

Ingram is expected back after the Saints' Week #6 bye, so Khiry's window is one more game. Khiry salvaged a decent fantasy game this week with a nice 62-yard run late, but he only touched the ball 10 times, and he gives way to Pierre Thomas and Travaris Cadet on passing downs.
I agree will all here but I believe Oliver has a bigger role than brown does when Mathews returns.
 
Antone Smith is making too many explosive plays to be limited to 4 touches. A couple more weeks of 15-50 from Steven Jackson and he could be seeing his carry total go up significantly.
jackson hasnt had 15 carries yet this season and is avg 4ypc...
 
Tanner9919 said:
we're rapidly approaching the DeMarco Murray "dead-zone", a time and place where he consistently breaks down, every year...who is the backup to own in Dallas?

I expected Dunbar to have a larger role in the Dallas offense, but with Murray running so well, Dunbar has scarcely seen the field. In the event of a Murray breakdown, I have to believe Dunbar's role would expand, but he is not every-down RB material at his size. IMO, Joseph Randle would handle the bulk of the work. Both could have some value, however.

I like the A. Williams call.

The Giants recognized the need to reduce Jennings' workload, and in Week 4, Williams actually had more carries than Jennings. It is encouraging that Williams has had some involvement in the passing game, although his limited pass-catching skills hinders his PPR value.

Crowell seems destined to be a stud, this season and beyond - doubtful Tate makes much of an impact upon his return.

This has all the earmarks of a three-headed committee, but if Crowell can continue to impress, he could expand his role. Crowell is a fantastic dynasty hold, but prepare for some frustration this season as the Browns rotate Tate, West and Crowell in the lineup.

Taliaferro working his way up the charts.

Again, this looks like a RBBC situation. Taliaferro has impressed so far, but neither Forsett nor Pierce is going to vanish.

Starks, if Lacy continues to flop.

Barring a Lacy injury, Starks presents little value. He may have some decent games, but predicting when will be next to impossible.

I like some of the other calls like D. Robinson, Oliver, etc.

For all the talk about how poorly Donald Brown has run, Oliver's stats were only marginally better. If he proves to be a Woodhead replacement, he could carve out a PPR role, but that seems unlikely. The window is limited here. Once Ryan Mathews returns, I would expect Oliver to have limited value.

Denard Robinson intrigues me. He did not fare any better than Gerhart running behind Jacksonville's woeful O-line, but he brings that home run hitter element to the game, much like Jerick McKinnon.

lukewarm interest in Sankey - Whisenhunt isn't doing a good job in Tenn.

You are right about Whisenhunt. The Titans are unimpressive right now. However, Sankey does intrigue me. I expect his role to expand, and he is doing well with the carries he has received.

Carlos Hyde - if the Niners truly do plan to lighten the load on Gore, they should turn to Hyde for some action..but his 3.7 pc avg is alarming.

Gore reminded us this week that the Niners' offense should run through him. Hyde is a fantastic dynasty hold and handcuff, but he is not a reliable weekly starter as anything more than a desperation flex at this point.

K. Robinson should continue to do well at least until Ingram comes back..and the Saints play puff pieces in fantasy playoff weeks, last 5 games: Steelers,Panthers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs..at the very least he'll get lots of mop-up plays against inferior run defenses.

Ingram is expected back after the Saints' Week #6 bye, so Khiry's window is one more game. Khiry salvaged a decent fantasy game this week with a nice 62-yard run late, but he only touched the ball 10 times, and he gives way to Pierre Thomas and Travaris Cadet on passing downs.
I agree will all here but I believe Oliver has a bigger role than brown does when Mathews returns.
Admittedly, I have not yet watched the Chargers' Week #4 game, so my assessment is limited to a few clips and the game statistics. How was Oliver in pass protection? I think that could be key in Oliver's role expanding. I do expect we will see more of Oliver this week, and I certainly agree that it won't take much to overtake Brown at this point.

 
I wouldn't be too quick to add the Dallas back-ups to the list. Last year Murray went down for a few games, but came back and finished the season. (Scoring two TDs for me in the championship, hurray!) They could be worth a flier in deep leagues, I suppose...

 
Tanner9919 said:
we're rapidly approaching the DeMarco Murray "dead-zone", a time and place where he consistently breaks down, every year...who is the backup to own in Dallas?

I expected Dunbar to have a larger role in the Dallas offense, but with Murray running so well, Dunbar has scarcely seen the field. In the event of a Murray breakdown, I have to believe Dunbar's role would expand, but he is not every-down RB material at his size. IMO, Joseph Randle would handle the bulk of the work. Both could have some value, however.

I like the A. Williams call.

The Giants recognized the need to reduce Jennings' workload, and in Week 4, Williams actually had more carries than Jennings. It is encouraging that Williams has had some involvement in the passing game, although his limited pass-catching skills hinders his PPR value.

Crowell seems destined to be a stud, this season and beyond - doubtful Tate makes much of an impact upon his return.

This has all the earmarks of a three-headed committee, but if Crowell can continue to impress, he could expand his role. Crowell is a fantastic dynasty hold, but prepare for some frustration this season as the Browns rotate Tate, West and Crowell in the lineup.

Taliaferro working his way up the charts.

Again, this looks like a RBBC situation. Taliaferro has impressed so far, but neither Forsett nor Pierce is going to vanish.

Starks, if Lacy continues to flop.

Barring a Lacy injury, Starks presents little value. He may have some decent games, but predicting when will be next to impossible.

I like some of the other calls like D. Robinson, Oliver, etc.

For all the talk about how poorly Donald Brown has run, Oliver's stats were only marginally better. If he proves to be a Woodhead replacement, he could carve out a PPR role, but that seems unlikely. The window is limited here. Once Ryan Mathews returns, I would expect Oliver to have limited value.

Denard Robinson intrigues me. He did not fare any better than Gerhart running behind Jacksonville's woeful O-line, but he brings that home run hitter element to the game, much like Jerick McKinnon.

lukewarm interest in Sankey - Whisenhunt isn't doing a good job in Tenn.

You are right about Whisenhunt. The Titans are unimpressive right now. However, Sankey does intrigue me. I expect his role to expand, and he is doing well with the carries he has received.

Carlos Hyde - if the Niners truly do plan to lighten the load on Gore, they should turn to Hyde for some action..but his 3.7 pc avg is alarming.

Gore reminded us this week that the Niners' offense should run through him. Hyde is a fantastic dynasty hold and handcuff, but he is not a reliable weekly starter as anything more than a desperation flex at this point.

K. Robinson should continue to do well at least until Ingram comes back..and the Saints play puff pieces in fantasy playoff weeks, last 5 games: Steelers,Panthers, Bears, Falcons, Bucs..at the very least he'll get lots of mop-up plays against inferior run defenses.

Ingram is expected back after the Saints' Week #6 bye, so Khiry's window is one more game. Khiry salvaged a decent fantasy game this week with a nice 62-yard run late, but he only touched the ball 10 times, and he gives way to Pierre Thomas and Travaris Cadet on passing downs.
I agree will all here but I believe Oliver has a bigger role than brown does when Mathews returns.
Admittedly, I have not yet watched the Chargers' Week #4 game, so my assessment is limited to a few clips and the game statistics. How was Oliver in pass protection? I think that could be key in Oliver's role expanding. I do expect we will see more of Oliver this week, and I certainly agree that it won't take much to overtake Brown at this point.
Oliver was not asked to pass block this week. Granted, Brown was only asked to pass block twice. The 3rd string TE pass blocked once, but everything else was left exclusively to the linemen.

 
Leonidas said:
Crowell, C.J. Anderson, McKinnon, Taliaferro, and Sankey seem to be the 5 RB's on the verge of breaking out this year.

I'm curious what other people think. Which of these guys is about to become the most valuable? Did I miss anyone?
I'd put Anderson at the bottom of that list. Probably Crowell at he top (he's the only one I own on any team) then maybe Sankey.

Barring an injury to ball I just don't see Anderson "breaking out".
I like Crowell the best as far as feature back talent, but I'd rank McKinnon ahead based on opportunity. Both Tate and West haven't looked awful. For that reason I think it will be harder for Crowell to push his way to the front. Simply put, Cleveland doesn't have to use him. So until the rest of his game gets developed more (pass blocking, etc.), I think Cleveland has the luxury of using him in limited doses. McKinnon, on the other hand, may be needed more by Minny to be on the field.

I'm a bit more skeptical about Taliaferro's talent compared to almost everyone else. But the guys in front of him are underwhelming so far, so his path may be less cluttered than Crowell's as well.

 
Leonidas said:
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
We're talking fantasy football here. You don't get more points for McCoy than you do for Asiata simply because of the differences in blocking
But it does say that he hasn't been "studly" and that affects playing time/ling term outlook. While some only stat watch, I've watched every single carry of Browns rbs this season multiple times (all 22 film/ game replay) and that's what it shows me. I own none of Crowell/ Tate/West. But I would value them as Tate, West, Crowell by their individual performances.

 
Leonidas said:
Crowell, C.J. Anderson, McKinnon, Taliaferro, and Sankey seem to be the 5 RB's on the verge of breaking out this year.

I'm curious what other people think. Which of these guys is about to become the most valuable? Did I miss anyone?
I'd put Anderson at the bottom of that list. Probably Crowell at he top (he's the only one I own on any team) then maybe Sankey.

Barring an injury to ball I just don't see Anderson "breaking out".
I like Crowell the best as far as feature back talent, but I'd rank McKinnon ahead based on opportunity. Both Tate and West haven't looked awful. For that reason I think it will be harder for Crowell to push his way to the front. Simply put, Cleveland doesn't have to use him. So until the rest of his game gets developed more (pass blocking, etc.), I think Cleveland has the luxury of using him in limited doses. McKinnon, on the other hand, may be needed more by Minny to be on the field.

I'm a bit more skeptical about Taliaferro's talent compared to almost everyone else. But the guys in front of him are underwhelming so far, so his path may be less cluttered than Crowell's as well.
Good breakdown. kind of what I am thinking as well. For this season, I think McKinnon gets the nod. I think for dynasty, Crowell might be the right guy to grab.

 
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
Have you watched Crowell's college tape? He was the best pure runner of this class.
1) if you've been around here often, you would know the first answer. See my rookie prospect topics, I don't jump to conclusions.2) he wasn't the best pure runner

 
Zyphros said:
Denard Robinson is an interesting name that may begin to creep up there. The offensive line is still garbage but his opportunity seems to be there with Gerhart, lets just call it, "underperforming". Not my favorite RB on that roster but he showed decent this weekend and seems to be in the #2 role in that new RBBC.
Those in yahoo leagues should think about him. He's got WR designation in mine.

Do those with Tate consider Crowell a must have handcuff?

 
Zyphros said:
Denard Robinson is an interesting name that may begin to creep up there. The offensive line is still garbage but his opportunity seems to be there with Gerhart, lets just call it, "underperforming". Not my favorite RB on that roster but he showed decent this weekend and seems to be in the #2 role in that new RBBC.
Those in yahoo leagues should think about him. He's got WR designation in mine.

Do those with Tate consider Crowell a must have handcuff?
Absolutely.

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Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ

#Browns RB Ben Tate said he doubts there are enough carries to go around for 3 RBs b/c u want to get into rhythm. "I think definitely two."
If this holds true, then West may be the odd man out, and Crowell should get a fair number of carries and possible goal line work.

 
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Zyphros said:
Denard Robinson is an interesting name that may begin to creep up there. The offensive line is still garbage but his opportunity seems to be there with Gerhart, lets just call it, "underperforming". Not my favorite RB on that roster but he showed decent this weekend and seems to be in the #2 role in that new RBBC.
Those in yahoo leagues should think about him. He's got WR designation in mine.Do those with Tate consider Crowell a must have handcuff?
Absolutely.Edit:

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ

#Browns RB Ben Tate said he doubts there are enough carries to go around for 3 RBs b/c u want to get into rhythm. "I think definitely two."
If this holds true, then West may be the odd man out, and Crowell should get a fair number of carries and possible goal line work.
Why is West assumed to be the odd man out?
 
Zyphros said:
Denard Robinson is an interesting name that may begin to creep up there. The offensive line is still garbage but his opportunity seems to be there with Gerhart, lets just call it, "underperforming". Not my favorite RB on that roster but he showed decent this weekend and seems to be in the #2 role in that new RBBC.
Those in yahoo leagues should think about him. He's got WR designation in mine.

Do those with Tate consider Crowell a must have handcuff?
Absolutely.

Edit:

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ

#Browns RB Ben Tate said he doubts there are enough carries to go around for 3 RBs b/c u want to get into rhythm. "I think definitely two."
If this holds true, then West may be the odd man out, and Crowell should get a fair number of carries and possible goal line work.
Very interesting , thanks for posting

 
Ben Tate will get his carries until he goes down again, so either stash West if you have the bench, or have his "number" on speed-dial.

 
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
Have you watched Crowell's college tape? He was the best pure runner of this class.
1) if you've been around here often, you would know the first answer. See my rookie prospect topics, I don't jump to conclusions.2) he wasn't the best pure runner
Which tape did you watch Alabama or Georgia State? He was by far the most talented from what I saw.....but then again I also like James Wilder Jr.....so take it with a grain of salt.

 
Leonidas said:
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
We're talking fantasy football here. You don't get more points for McCoy than you do for Asiata simply because of the differences in blocking
But it does say that he hasn't been "studly" and that affects playing time/ling term outlook. While some only stat watch, I've watched every single carry of Browns rbs this season multiple times (all 22 film/ game replay) and that's what it shows me. I own none of Crowell/ Tate/West. But I would value them as Tate, West, Crowell by their individual performances.
I think you're seeng what you want to see.
 
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tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
Have you watched Crowell's college tape? He was the best pure runner of this class.
1) if you've been around here often, you would know the first answer. See my rookie prospect topics, I don't jump to conclusions.2) he wasn't the best pure runner
Which tape did you watch Alabama or Georgia State? He was by far the most talented from what I saw.....but then again I also like James Wilder Jr.....so take it with a grain of salt.
I watched both and I thought Carlos Hyde was the best runner in the draft by a wide margin

 
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
Have you watched Crowell's college tape? He was the best pure runner of this class.
1) if you've been around here often, you would know the first answer. See my rookie prospect topics, I don't jump to conclusions.2) he wasn't the best pure runner
Which tape did you watch Alabama or Georgia State? He was by far the most talented from what I saw.....but then again I also like James Wilder Jr.....so take it with a grain of salt.
Nitpicking, but it was Georgia and Alabama State. SEC Freshman of the year at Georgia iirc.

 
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Leonidas said:
tdmills said:
ponchsox said:
Crowell is a Tate injury away from being a stud.
The film shows he's the beneficiary of great blocking on his carries, not due to ability.
We're talking fantasy football here. You don't get more points for McCoy than you do for Asiata simply because of the differences in blocking
But it does say that he hasn't been "studly" and that affects playing time/ling term outlook. While some only stat watch, I've watched every single carry of Browns rbs this season multiple times (all 22 film/ game replay) and that's what it shows me. I own none of Crowell/ Tate/West. But I would value them as Tate, West, Crowell by their individual performances.
I think you're seeng what you want to see.
If I own none of them, then how am I biased? I'm not saying Crowell is a bad player, just that he's had great opportunities handed to him on a silver platter for many of his carries. I would say anyone that disagrees probably owns him, doesn't watch film, or doesn't know how to watch film.

Either way, I'm trying to help you guys by cautioning your expectations. Take it or toss it in the garbage. But I do my homework on players.

 

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