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daveR

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In Topic: *** CLEVELAND BROWNS THREAD ***

Today, 03:12 PM

Went to the link.  Numbers are flawed.  His math is flawed.

 

That being said, Hoyer ranks right with Payton Manning! :D


In Topic: *** CLEVELAND BROWNS THREAD ***

Today, 12:30 PM

 

Here's a really good break-down from a Tampa Bay newspaper about the Browns breakdowns on offense. 

 

One thing they pointed out was the accuracy issues that Hoyer is having come primarily while he's under pressure.  They not only note the stats but they have some still photographs l from the all 22 coach film that are pretty revealing from the Jacksonville loss. 

 

One stat to show the difficulties that Brian is having while under pressure is that of the 27 NFL QBs who have taken at least 50% of their team's snaps while dropping back to pass Brian Hoyer ranks 26th.  Hoyer is only connecting on 45.8% of his passes when he's under duress.  For comparison's sake Ben Roethlisberger ranks #1 as he is hits 76.8% of his passes when he's under pressure.  That is pretty bad considering the huge concession we are making in the QB accuracy department.  No wonder we are terrible converting 3rd downs when we are in obvious passing downs where Brian has to deal with pressure and his accuracy issue becomes a real problem. 

 

Go to the link and skip over the reporter's introductory first couple of paragraphs that whine about the Bucs troubles and go right down to the game preview where they point out the troubles with the Browns offense since those graphs and photo's don't transfer here. 

 

I knew Hoyer had troubles with accuracy but I thought it had more to do with him waiting for deep routes to develop because he's got one of the highest average per completion percentages in the league and I'm sure that has something to do with it because even with his low completion percentage he is putting up 'ok' yardage totals and seems to hit at least one deep toss per game, usually on a slow developing backside route on a roll boot to the opposite side of the formation where he typically rolls to.

 

Go to the link, good stuff, here is a sample.

 

Oh and former Buccaneer Donnie Abram breaks down the game film and shows still photos and details some of the issues the Browns are having dealing with pressure and he shows where rookie RB Isaiah Crowell completely blew his protection responsibility on one play so maybe that has something to do with how little playing time he got last week. 

 

http://www.tampabay....out-the/2204356

 

Scouting Report, Week 9: Former Buccaneer Donnie Abraham joins us for a Browns breakdown

  • Thomas Bassinger, Times Staff Writer
THOMAS BASSINGERTampa Bay Times

Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:00am

 

...  Almost every quarterback's production drops when under pressure, and Hoyer is far from Ben Roethlisberger or Jay Cutler when he feels heat. His "accuracy percentage" of 45.8 when under pressure is the second-lowest mark in the league (Geno Smith). By comparison, Roethlisberger (76.8) and Cutler (73.0) rank first and second, respectively. (Accuracy percentage is a Pro Football Focus alternative to completion percentage, which fails to account for dropped passes, throw aways, spikes, batted passes and passes thrown while the quarterback is hit.)

 

Accuracy percentage while under pressure

Player, team Acc % Player, team Acc %

Top 5

1. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh 76.8

2. Jay Cutler, Chicago 73.0

3. Russell Wilson, Seattle 71.2

4. Drew Brees, New Orleans 68.4

5. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 68.1

 

Bottom 5

23. Cam Newton, Carolina 53.3

24. Nick Foles, Philadelphia 50.7

25. Peyton Manning, Denver 48.9

26. Brian Hoyer, Cleveland 45.8

27. Geno Smith, New York Jets 43.9

Qualification: Quarterbacks who have played at least 50 percent of their team's dropbacks. Formula is (completions + drops) / (attempts – throw aways – spikes – batted passes – hit as thrown). Statistics from profootballfocus.com.

 

To evaluate how pressure limits Hoyer's effectiveness, let's look at the All-22 coaches film from the Browns' Week 7 loss to the Jaguars....

 

... "The center doesn't see (defensive end Andre Branch on) the stunt, so he doesn't come off (his block of Sen'Derrick Marks)," Abraham said. "If the center comes off, he has a clean pocket."

 

Crowell also could pick up Branch, but he, too, is late to recognize the stunt and barely manages to shove him.

 

... when the play-action game is humming, that's when Hoyer is most effective. He has completed 59.4 percent of such passes for 733 yards and thrown five touchdowns and no interceptions for a quarterback rating of 120.0. When the Browns don't use the play-action pass, his completion percentage drops to 56.7, his yards per pass attempt fall from 10.6 to 6.6 and his quarterback rating sinks to a mediocre 77.9.

 

Think of it this way: When the Browns use the play-action pass, Hoyer is Tom Brady-good. When they don't, he's Nick Foles-average.

 

 

 

 

These numbers look flawed.  Hoyer has a qb rating of 120, and completed 59.4% which would rank about 20th in the "under duress" list.

 

And, the top guys completion percentage GOES WAY DOWN in a clean pocket???  Something ain't right.


In Topic: *** CLEVELAND BROWNS THREAD ***

Today, 12:26 PM

Here's some big news...  Tampa Bay Buccaneers OT Oniel Cousins is working at left tackle with the first-team offense during practice Thursday, Oct. 30, because OT Anthony Collins (foot) is sitting out practice.


In Topic: Do NFL Cheerleaders deserve minimum wage?

06 October 2014 - 02:32 PM

 

If the mascots make minimum wage, then the cheerleaders should qualify too. The bigger question is how the teams get away with classifying them as independent contractors instead of employees. By the IRS definition, you could make a strong case that they should be classified as employees.  

 

Yes, that's why the Raiders are paying out $1.5M. 

 

 

Good to hear!!!


In Topic: Is this sleazy or did I overreact?

05 October 2014 - 05:32 AM

Ratio about 6:1

 

People jumping on whinyness vs people discussing trade integrity.