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daveR

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In Topic: Brian Hoyer starting

20 July 2014 - 02:13 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rotoworld:
 

At the very latest, we see Manziel taking over Kyle Shanahan's offense by Week 5, following the Browns' Week 4 bye.

 
That's pretty presumptuous. Hoyer looked pretty good before he got hurt last season.
i'm a big hoyer fan but i can't see him holding off manzier for too long unless he just plays lights out.  possible but seems a bit of a long shot.
Also like how Hoyer looked for ALL of his 3 Career starts , and he only finished 2 of them.
Let's keep it In the proper perspective, he played all of 9 quarters of football, and he is coming off of an ACL surgery.
Manziel will likely be the starter, unless he just sucks out loud all thru camp.
 
In your opinion, what are the criteria for choosing the starter?
It depends on the situation.
In this case , Manziel just needs to be as good as Hoyer, or maybe even just close.
You see, the current HMFIC have nothing invested in Hoyer and a First round pick invested in Manziel.
Yeah, kind of sucks for Hoyer, but he is who he is, a 5 year journeyman backup with very little playing time to his name.
If the Browns are to hit on their first round pick of Manziel, he Should be able to beat that out for the starters job.
Time will tell.
 
So...  Where a player is taken in the draft should be the determining factor when selecting a starter, right?  Being taken #22 overall automatically makes you a better QB, right? 
 
What made the difference between #22 (Weedon) and Hoyer last year?
Your last sentence just buttressed my case.
Last year, Hoyer was clearly the better QB, yet Weeden got the nod, they had more invested in Weeds and needed to see if it would blossom.
You can hate the process , but it is , what it is.

 

I suppose, if that's the result you want, that's the criterion you should use.

 

Clearly Hoyer was superior, last year.  He is more experienced reading defenses and his release was WAY superior to Weeden.  If JF$ is as good in those categories, he should yield equal or better results.  If not, he should wait until he is.

 

BTW, Weeds was not a rookie last year.  He was the incumbent starter.


In Topic: Brian Hoyer starting

20 July 2014 - 10:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Rotoworld:
 

At the very latest, we see Manziel taking over Kyle Shanahan's offense by Week 5, following the Browns' Week 4 bye.

 
That's pretty presumptuous. Hoyer looked pretty good before he got hurt last season.
i'm a big hoyer fan but i can't see him holding off manzier for too long unless he just plays lights out.  possible but seems a bit of a long shot.
Also like how Hoyer looked for ALL of his 3 Career starts , and he only finished 2 of them.
Let's keep it In the proper perspective, he played all of 9 quarters of football, and he is coming off of an ACL surgery.
Manziel will likely be the starter, unless he just sucks out loud all thru camp.
 
In your opinion, what are the criteria for choosing the starter?
It depends on the situation.
In this case , Manziel just needs to be as good as Hoyer, or maybe even just close.
You see, the current HMFIC have nothing invested in Hoyer and a First round pick invested in Manziel.
Yeah, kind of sucks for Hoyer, but he is who he is, a 5 year journeyman backup with very little playing time to his name.

If the Browns are to hit on their first round pick of Manziel, he Should be able to beat that out for the starters job.
Time will tell.

 

 

So...  Where a player is taken in the draft should be the determining factor when selecting a starter, right?  Being taken #22 overall automatically makes you a better QB, right? 

 

What made the difference between #22 (Weedon) and Hoyer last year?


In Topic: Brian Hoyer starting

20 July 2014 - 06:15 AM

 

 

 

Rotoworld:
 

At the very latest, we see Manziel taking over Kyle Shanahan's offense by Week 5, following the Browns' Week 4 bye.

 
That's pretty presumptuous. Hoyer looked pretty good before he got hurt last season.
i'm a big hoyer fan but i can't see him holding off manzier for too long unless he just plays lights out.  possible but seems a bit of a long shot.

Also like how Hoyer looked for ALL of his 3 Career starts , and he only finished 2 of them.
Let's keep it In the proper perspective, he played all of 9 quarters of football, and he is coming off of an ACL surgery.

Manziel will likely be the starter, unless he just sucks out loud all thru camp.

 

 

In your opinion, what are the criteria for choosing the starter?


In Topic: Baylor WR Josh Gordon

08 July 2014 - 04:16 AM

Whatever.....it's immaterial. Like bojang says, the problem is his friends and lifestyle which he is unwilling to give up. He wants to do both, party and hang out like he's been doing for years and play football, but he can't and may end up paying for it big time. I'm not sure there is any way he can keep the friends but drop the lifestyle and it's not likely he'll drop the friends. This kind of #### happens all the time,it's just in the limelight this time because of who he is and what he could have accomplished. Probably won't sink in until he's older and then he'll probably want to shoot himself. It's not happening because of any addiction as the root cause....it's immaturity and an inability to get his priorities straight. It's easy for most of us to just call that stupidity, and others want to blame something else, but it's likely a lot more complicated than that............but nah, on second thought I'm sticking with stupidity .

 

I find it interesting that Manziel is being ballyhooed as a kid enjoying the playboy lifestyle, while Gordon is being vilified.  It's being said in some circles that Gordon has a "problem" and the Browns should cut him to get him straight. Both fit your description, but within different cultures.

 

It also sounds like you're saying that in order to play NFL football, one has to give up his friends and lifestyle.  I don't know if I'd be willing to be disloyal, myself.  What do you do, tell everyone, "See you in ten years"?

 

FWIW, by the way, I'm convinced it's not just weed.  Purple.


In Topic: *** CLEVELAND BROWNS THREAD ***

07 July 2014 - 11:54 AM

It's cross-cultural, but if Josh has a "problem", Johnny has a "problem".