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Starting within the past few days, I have to log in every time I visit FBG forums on my iPhone, even though I check the box for the site to remember me. What gives?

Posted this in the Dynasty Rankings thread:

I'd be interested in looking at some of the rosters of those that contribute heavily to this thread and seeing some commentary from the owners about how they built the rosters and their outlook moving forward. And discussion about that... maybe like a version of the in season dynasty trades thread.

And I'd love to get some comments on my roster from the savvy dynasty posters here. But I know that is frowned upon. I avoid the AC forum, and I assume there isn't much dynasty activity there, especially not quality activity.

Anyone else interested in this? If so, how best to go about it?

It got some favorable reaction, so I'm starting this thread for that discussion.

This is a spinoff of a discussion that began in the Manning can't throw to his left thread.

For purposes of this poll, I don't want to consider other options, like the Colts letting Manning walk and drafting Griffin or otherwise acquiring a different QB.

Bracie brought this up in the other thread, and his perspective is illustrated here:

The decision of the Colts was based on two things.  One was a lack of faith in Peyton Manning's health, both short term and long term.  Two, their belief in Andrew Luck.

I have stated the decision isn't either/or Luck/Manning because its not.  I saw the decision as the short-term return on Manning PLUS the long-term return on trading away the rights to Luck VS NOTHING for Peyton and Andrew Luck.

One side = ZERO from Peyton Manning + Andrew Luck
Other side = Peyton Manning (any play nearing equal to his historic high level of play) + the draft picks from dealing the rights to Andrew Luck and we know for cetain what was on the table:
- 4th pick used to select RB Trent Richardson
- 22nd pick used to select QB Brandon Weeden
- 37th pick used to select ORT Mitchell Schwartz
All of the above, including Luck, have played well.

So on one side is: QB Andrew Luck
On the other side: Peyton Manning, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mitchell Schwartz PLUS Cleveland's first round pick in 2013

I have stated I would have made the deal back in February to trade the rights to Luck long before Peyton Manning made his successful comeback and I'd definitely still make the deal today.

I think Indy would be at least two wins better right now and right in the thick of things for the AFC playoffs.  Also the Colts would be sitting on two first round picks next year if they didn't use a pick to get a QB to sit and groom behind Peyton.

I guess I'm say'n I never would have let Peyton go.  Peyton Manning was thee Indiapolis Colts so the PR hit was probably huge for most Colt fans.  It wasn't just the PR hit I just felt Peyton would come back and saw an opportunity to make a killer draft deal to set up the Colts for long-term success while they still would be in position to win-it-all this year.

My view is that the Colts made the right decision, especially given the results so far. Here are a couple of my posts on this from the other thread:

I don't think there has ever really been a situation like the one the Colts faced this year. For the record, I think they did the right thing, and I think it was an absolute nobrainer. And early returns more than justify their decision. Luck is an All Pro caliber QB who could be starting for the Colts for the next 15 years or so... meanwhile, they are paying him much less than they would be paying Manning, and their record is likely about the same as it would be with Manning. There is literally no downside, but plenty of upside.

What other NFL teams can legitimately believe they have an All Pro caliber QB already in place for the next 10+ years? IMO there is only one other team who might justifiably think that - Washington.

You are ignoring the money part of it. Denver is paying Manning ~$20M per year. Indy is paying Luck ~$5.5M per year.

But even setting that aside, I'd take Luck over Manning, Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz, and another 1st rounder without hesitation. It's hard to put a price on getting an All Pro caliber QB for 15 years.

Imagine if a similar scenario faced the Colts when Manning came out, and they traded him to another team and ended up missing out on the career he had in Indy for a few years of a top veteran HOF QB, a great RB, and a couple other really good players. It would not have been worth it, unless one or more of the players other than the HOF QB were also future HOFers.

I thought this deserved its own topic and poll. What say you?

The best album and best single threads in recent months have been great, and I thought it would be helpful to gather them together in a master thread. Feel free to post more links that I have not included... there have been a lot of other excellent music threads in the FFA over the years.

Class of 2012 Finalists

Two first-year eligible nominees – coach Bill Parcells and tackle Will Shields – are among the 15 modern-era finalists who will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall’s Selection Committee meets in Indianapolis, Ind. on Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012.

Joining the first-year eligible, are 12 modern-era players and a contributor. The 15 modern-era finalists, along with the two senior nominees announced in August 2011 (former Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Jack Butler and former Detroit Lions and Washington Redskins guard Dick Stanfel) will be the only candidates considered for Hall of Fame election when the 44-member Selection Committee meets. To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent.

Although technically a first-year eligible candidate, Parcells has been a finalist twice before (2001, 2002) following his announced retirement as head coach of the New York Jets in 1999. At the time the Hall of Fame By-Laws did not require a coach to be retired the now mandatory five seasons. Parcells returned to coach the Dallas Cowboys in 2003 and the five-year waiting period was in effect when he retired from coaching in 2006.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers
Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins
Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers
Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks
Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets
Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs
Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs
Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins
Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

In addition to Parcells, other finalists who have been eligible in previous years include Bettis, Brown, Carter, Dawson, Doleman, Haley, Kennedy, Martin, Reed, Roaf and Stanfel. Although they were eligible in previous years, this is the first time Butler, DeBartolo, Greene and Williams have been finalists.

From this year’s list, four players – Butler, Dawson, Kennedy, and Shields spent their entire NFL career with just one team.

Butler and Stanfel were selected as senior candidates by the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee at their August 2011 meeting. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players whose careers took place more than 25 years ago. The remaining 15 modern-era finalists were determined by a vote of the Hall’s 44-member Selection Committee from a list of 105 preliminary nominees that earlier was reduced to a list of 26 semifinalists.

To be eligible for election, modern-era players and coaches must be retired at least five consecutive seasons. Contributors need not be retired.

Doleman, Greene, and Haley have been eligible for eight years. Dawson, Kennedy, and Reed have each been eligible for election for seven years, Carter five years, and Brown and Williams three years. Bettis, Martin and Roaf are in their second year of eligibility. Since the retirement minimum for a player prior to 1968 was three years, senior nominees Butler and Stanfel have been eligible since 1963 when the Hall of Fame first opened.

The Selection Committee will meet in Indianapolis, Ind. on Saturday, February 4, 2012, to elect the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2012. The election results will be announced at 5:30 p.m. ET during a one-hour NFL Network special, live from the Super Bowl Media Center. The Class of 2012 will be the 50th class to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

At the 2012 selection meeting, the selectors will thoroughly discuss the careers of each finalist. Although there is no set number for any class of enshrinees, the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s current ground rules stipulate that between four and seven new members will be selected each year. No more than five modern-era nominees can be elected in a given year and a class of six or seven can only be achieved if one or both senior nominees are elected. Representatives of the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche will tabulate all votes during the meeting.

At the announcement, Pro Football Hall of Fame President/Executive Director Steve Perry will be presented with an envelope containing the names of the nominees elected. Each newly elected member will be contacted immediately by the Hall of Fame. Members of the Class of 2012 in Indianapolis for the Super Bowl will be asked to join the live announcement show. Those not able to attend will be asked to join via teleconference.