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In Topic: Another school shooting

Today, 12:54 PM

 

 

Yeah OK. Obviously that will never happen. Any other ideas? I've got nothing. 

I have a ton of ideas.  Some Constitutional some not. 

 

How about this:

 

Students are not allowed to bring anything into the school.  Anything.  Make them wear uniforms right down to the same kind of shoes.  All go through a security checkpoint entering the building through metal detectors and wands.  There would be no books or papers coming home - everything would either have to be electronic or there isn't any homework.  That way, you eliminate all backpacks and lockers.  Books and papers for each class are kept in that class and are not allowed to be removed except by the teacher who is grading.  Literally the children bring nothing and take nothing into the school.  All food is given to them there.  They are not allowed to leave the campus once there unless it is a medical emergency or a parent picks them up - and they are not allowed to return.

 

 

I'm not quite sure why the rest of this would be necessary once you force all students through security checkpoints with metal detectors and wands.

 

No backpack and easy to search uniform clothes means nothing hidden anywhere.  


In Topic: Another school shooting

Today, 12:52 PM

 

 

Yeah OK. Obviously that will never happen. Any other ideas? I've got nothing. 

I have a ton of ideas.  Some Constitutional some not. 

 

How about this:

 

Students are not allowed to bring anything into the school.  Anything.  Make them wear uniforms right down to the same kind of shoes.  All go through a security checkpoint entering the building through metal detectors and wands.  There would be no books or papers coming home - everything would either have to be electronic or there isn't any homework.  That way, you eliminate all backpacks and lockers.  Books and papers for each class are kept in that class and are not allowed to be removed except by the teacher who is grading.  Literally the children bring nothing and take nothing into the school.  All food is given to them there.  They are not allowed to leave the campus once there unless it is a medical emergency or a parent picks them up - and they are not allowed to return.

 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this will do noting to prevent lunatics from coming onto campus.

 

True.  They won't be armed though.

 

Frankly my unconstitutional ideas would work better.  But that's the problem.


In Topic: Another school shooting

Today, 12:48 PM

Yeah OK. Obviously that will never happen. Any other ideas? I've got nothing. 

I have a ton of ideas.  Some Constitutional some not. 

 

How about this:

 

Students are not allowed to bring anything into the school.  Anything.  Make them wear uniforms right down to the same kind of shoes.  All go through a security checkpoint entering the building through metal detectors and wands.  There would be no books or papers coming home - everything would either have to be electronic or there isn't any homework.  That way, you eliminate all backpacks and lockers.  Books and papers for each class are kept in that class and are not allowed to be removed except by the teacher who is grading.  Literally the children bring nothing and take nothing into the school.  All food is given to them there.  They are not allowed to leave the campus once there unless it is a medical emergency or a parent picks them up - and they are not allowed to return.


In Topic: Another school shooting

Today, 12:39 PM

 

 

 

Arming teachers is a bad idea.  We have teachers who don't know that it is wrong to have sex with a student - these are not people that I trust to arm and fight like a security person.

 

 

 

If you want a real answer that is actually possible - you need to treat every single school building in the country like a federal courthouse, with only one entrance for the public, secure parking areas with armed guards and metal detectors and wand scans of all people entering the building, give each student, teacher and parent a photo ID that is absolutely required to enter, and it would probably help to require uniforms so that different style clothes can't hide certain things easier than others.

 

Sadly that is the way it has to head.

 

This might make sense as well. How much would it cost? However much, maybe it's worth it. I hate the idea that my kids should feel like they're entering a danger zone when they go to school, but...maybe we need to do this. 

 

Entry salary for a federal marshall is in the 40's I think.  The security station is probably another 40 grand.  Locking down all entry points for security purposes is probably a few million.  Installing a perimeter security system around each building or campus of a public school is easily another few million.  I'd be willing to bet you are looking at about 5-10 million per school plus operating expenses of another couple hundred thousand per school.  New Jersey has more school districts than it does municipalties so in new jersey alone you are easily looking something in the neighborhood of 6-10 billion dollars if you only have one school campus in each district - which you don't.  

 

So, to do that is easily hundreds of billions.  Easily.


In Topic: Another school shooting

Today, 12:26 PM

 

 

I believe in background checks, but they wouldn't have prevented this shooting. They won't prevent ANY of these terrible shootings. In fact, I don't think that any gun law would prevent a school shooting. 

 

I ####### hate when this happens. How much would it cost us to have an armed guard at every public elementary school, middle school, and high school in this country? I'm thinking that's the direction to go.

 

And if we can't afford that, I'm thinking that maybe the NRA types are right; we ought to let teachers who want to carry guns in their classrooms to protect their students. I've never been for that before, in fact I thought it was a crazy idea, but- we have to stop this. 

 

I can't possibly imagine how an armed guard would prevent these.  If we had one on every campus I think one of two things would probably happen in almost every case: (1) shooter evades attention of armed guard like the other students do thousands of times a day, proceeds to desired location, opens fire, armed guard is elsewhere and is helpless to prevent it; or (2) shooter shoots unsuspecting armed guard, proceeds to desired location, opens fire.

 

Teaches with guns in the classroom may be a fine idea in theory, but the program would be stopped as soon as there was a single negative incident- weapon ends up in the wrong hands, teacher gets overzealous and shoots when situation is unclear, angry/crazy teacher shoots fellow teacher who broke up with them, etc.  When there's a crazy school shooter there's only really one person to blame. If a teacher is permitted to carry a weapon and something goes wrong everyone ends up getting skewered- the teacher, the school, the school district, the state or local government officials that authorized the program, etc. Within a year no teacher would have a gun in the classroom again.

 

You may be right on both counts. But what else is there? Maybe we should at least try it. Maybe if the crazies know there are armed guards and armed teachers, that might deter some of them. 

 

Arming teachers is a bad idea.  We have teachers who don't know that it is wrong to have sex with a student - these are not people that I trust to arm and fight like a security person.

 

If you want a real answer that is actually possible - you need to treat every single school building in the country like a federal courthouse, with only one entrance for the public, secure parking areas with armed guards and metal detectors and wand scans of all people entering the building, give each student, teacher and parent a photo ID that is absolutely required to enter, and it would probably help to require uniforms so that different style clothes can't hide certain things easier than others.