Apparently he won't talk to him or address him by his name? Why? Certainly can't be because he left for a head coaching job, can it?

Because he's Bill Belichick and he thinks he's God.

Supposedly it has something to do with the Deion Branch situation earlier this year. I agreee that Belichick really needs to get over himself in this regard.

I think you are misinterpreting it. Belichick does not like the Jets ans felt betrayed when Managini left to go coach there. The Jets are not just the team that Belichick refused to coach after he was named Parcells successor but a divisional rival that knows the Patriots system and knows how to dismantle them.

Actually Boomer Esiason was on the local Boston radio this morning and that very question was asked. Boomer said that the reason Belicheck hates Mangini is because he knows the Patriots trade secrets. He's been with Belicheck since his football career started and Belicheck was the one who gave him his first opportunity in Cleveland.

Now that was Boomer's take. Here's mine. I think Belicheck realized what he had in Mangini and didn't want to lose him, espically to a division rival. I remember reading that Belicheck even told Mangini to not take the Jets job and real bad mouthed the organization. Apparently, Mangini didn't listen and took the job. This PO'd Belicheck off and has held that grudge ever since.

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It may be complicated, but I think Belichik is just an ##### in general and he disavows anyone not in his organization.

Also, my understanding is that Belichik was a little annoyed that Mangini jumped after just 1 year as coordinator. I think he took it as a personal insult and that Mangini showed no loyalty.

This is what I believe also and it seems Brady is the same way.

Regardless of how Belichick sees it, it really makes him come off as an idiot.

Young assistant coaches are using their position as a springboard to become a head coach. Belichick did it, as well. So what, it happens that the opportunity came up for Mangini on a division rival.

Did Belichick really expect Mangini to remain a coordinator when a head coach position opened up for him?

Bill looks bitter and childish in this instance. The loss must have made him want to choke Mangini.
It's good, though. Belichick needs a little humility.

Please explain this comment. I can understand the bitterness towards Belichick from the fantasy football community, but don't understand why anyone would think Brady is "just an ##### in general."

Please use caution when throwing out terms like, "dismantle."

Check the recent history between the two teams. Nowhere would you find the Jets dismantling the Pats.

Belichek is a grumpy old man and he doesn't know how to dress. There, now I feel better...

People who just write "Belichick thinks he's God" are just being haters. Seriously. Belichick has nothing but praise for Remeo Crennel when he left and today, and Crennel had 5X the impact on the Patriots than Mangini did.

We won't ever know the full truth because that's now how Belichick is - but it was recently reported (and by recently I mean before last weekend's game) in the Providence Sun Journal that Mangini had tried recruiting players away from the Patriots BEFORE he took the Jets job. That would explain how Mangini was completely shut out of his office immediately and Belchick's refusal to say Eric's name.

Brady is a GREAT QB - SUPEERBOWL- HOF - BEST OF HIS TIME - how dare anyone conclude that a successful person be anything but a modal citizen.

He knows how to dress. It just happens to be like a bum.

My take:

Belichick was set to take over as head coach of the Jets once Parcells stepped aside into a front office position. It was in his contract that he would do so.

When Parcells was coaching the Jets, the Patriots had interest in bringing in Belichick as head coach to replace Pete Carroll. Parcells knew this. Parcells had an ongoing personal feud with Bob Kraft, owner of the Patriots, going back to Parcells' days as New England's head coach, when Kraft overruled Parcells and drafted Terry Glenn in the 1st round (this is where Parcells' infamous "shop for the groceries" line came from).

It is believed that Parcells was going to coach the Jets for one more season, but decided to take the front office job (making Belichick the Jets coach) one year earlier, just so the Pats couldn't hire Belichick.

Belichick saw this as unprofessional. In addition, it essentially took away Belichick's ability to choose between the Jets and the Patriots (since it was written into his contract with the Jets that he would take over once Parcells stepped aside). This is what led to Belichick's infamous "I resign as HC of the NYJ" resignation, and this is why the Pats ended up having to give the Jets compensation for hiring Belichick.

Obviously, this left a sour taste in Belichick's mouth for the Jets.

When Romeo Crennel left New England, Eric Mangini was named his successor as defensive coordinator. Some people thought Mangini might be a little too young for the position, but Belichick had faith in Mangini and went with him. Mangini took off after only one season to go to the organization that his mentor felt betrayed by a few years previous.

Belichick advised Mangini that the Jets might not be the best organization to go to for his first head coach job (big market, and I believe there may have been ownership issues?), and that he might want to stick around and get a little more experience as a coordinator before he took any head coaching position at all.

I'm not saying that is justification, or that Belichick is 100% right here, or even offering an opinion either way. But it's not like he has no reason at all to be a little bitter.

What the two game recent history? Since that's all Mangini has been there for, really that's all that's relevant.

Hard to say whether anyone can 'dismantle' anyone else since Mangini showed up. But the Jets played them well for two games. That has as much to to with division rivalry as it does Mangini.

instead of posting stupid sarcastic remarks making fun of something that nobody said, how about you address the legit question about what you said?

I politely asked you to elaborate on your comment, and that's the best justification you can come up with?

Belichick can go piss up a rope...

He screwed over Parcells (and the Jets), bolted to division rival New England and went on to win 3 Super Bowls. Mangini leaving the pats to coach the Jets is what Belichick deserves.

Poetic justice would be if Mangini goes on to have the same success with the Jets as Belichick had with the pats.

Belijerk = hypocrite

Loyalty? He was paid $1M by Leon Hess to be the "HC of the NYJ" after Parcells stepped down and he bailed and took assistants with him - making Jet fans endure one year of Al Groan and many years of Sermon Edwards.

He did the same thing to his mentor that Mangini did to him. Sorry chump - what goes around comes around!

The look on Bellijerk's face was priceless!!!

I have never felt better about the direction of the Jets!

Posted the same thoughts at the same time! Amen on poetic justice!

Please see my post above. He hardly "screwed over" the Jets.

And what does your comment say about the way Parcells left New England for the Jets? Parcells had one foot out the door the week before the Super Bowl against the Packers.

A Jets fan calling Belichick a chump? Priceless.

This is the way the NFL is sometimes. Coaches bolt for 'better opportunities' all the time and assistants jump at the chance to coach when offered.

It may be screwy and not the kindest way to go, but hey, it's the NFL kids.

If Belichick is angry about it, he really needs to wake the hell up and look around him. It's not like Mangini was the first - even between these two organizations...

ps - he ABSOLUTELY screwed the Jets. If he didn't want the job, he could have said so and NOT TAKEN it - and the Jets could have done a proper coaching search. Now, being the Jets (and I love 'em, but....) -- they woulda hired Art Shell or something, but still.....

Did you hear what some of Mangini's former defensive players in New England had to say about him before the first Jets game this season? Pretty shocking, especially coming from New England players.

I was just talking about the game this past Sunday. I thought the Jets played very well Sunday - the Patroits failed to stop the running of the Jets and the short passing game. The Jets offensive line did a nice job against the highly ranked patriots run defense(#3 I think).

No, please enlighten me.

As I said, I'm not necessarily saying that Belichick was right or wrong. Truthfully, I'm sure there is a lot more to this that was said and done behind closed doors that we may never know about. As another poster has already mentioned, there has been talk that Mangini tried to recruit some of the Patriots before he was even out the door. There's also the history between Belichick and the Jets.

There are a lot of questions about this situation, but one thing we know for sure is that this definitely wasn't the typical case of a coordinator leaving to take a better job elsewhere.

i don't get the belichek to new england thing. i always thought OCs wanted that automatic head coach deal, like greg williams?

what was so appealing about new england compared to the jets?

I wish I could get you a link to direct quotes, but basically, they were saying things along the lines of how Mangini wasn't a very good coordinator, wasn't aggressive enough, didn't really command the respect of the locker room, etc. A far different cry from when the likes of Crennel and Weis left town.

Well, in Belichick's case, there was more stable ownership (again, could be wrong about that, but I seem to remember some questions about the stability of Jets ownership), and Belichick has always been fond of the New England area. I think he also wanted another chance to prove himself as a head coach, independant of Bill Parcells (face it, if Belichick won with the Jets, everyone would have just said it was still Parcells's team, similar to what we saw when Barry Switzer won the Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys).

Wow. So, Mangini's a bad coach and still can beat Belicheck. That's impressive.

No.


What did they say?

All AFC East games seem to be played very closely. I would hardly call what happened yesterday (or the first meeting this year between these teams) as a "dismantling" either way. Although, NE dominated the first meeting early, they allowed the Jets to get back into it.

"Any given Sunday," as they say. Belichick has been outcoached two weeks in a row now, by Tony Dungy and by Eric Mangini. But would any football fan in his right mind take either of those coaches ahead of Belichick? Of course not.

Ah yes, division rivals, big egos, hurt feelings, blah, blah, blah.

Who really cares?

Maybe Mangina was moving in on his mistress?
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack...rticleid=149076

Yes, I guess I was agreeing -- in a longwinded verbose, yammering way.

I always love watching the AFC East -- it's a bloody division - they'll eat each other alive almost every year...

Excellent write-up. Shouldn't BB's beef be with Parcells then, not Mangini?

Interestingly, Belichick and Parcells have patched up their relationship. I guess Belichick still holds a grudge against the Jets organization, however. Or maybe it just comes down to Mangini supposedly recruiting Patriots before he even left the team.

Unfortunately, I think there's probably more to it than we, as fans, will probably ever know.

Which would be wierd since it seems like it was mostly Parcells -- the Jets probably were really excited to get Belichick a year early....

It's probably more the next sentance in that paragraph -- if Mangini was trying to grab players before he left -- party foul. Though again, probably not uncommon.

All the other speculation in this thread is garbage.

Starting from scratch on a team like say... the 49ers or Cardinals?

Bellichick inherited a pretty decent team with the Pats... Not to take anything away from him.

this is great. all the big bad 3-time SuperBowl Champion Pats fans in here squirming in their shorts because the crappy Jets and their rookie coach are breathing right down their necks. sweet

He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view.

But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!

Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk.

My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever.

What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege

Funny thread. Belichick took Parcell's entire coaching staff with him, but sees no problem with that. Now, UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors that Mangini was recruiting Pats players BEFORE he got the Jets job makes him some sort of low life? Mangini going to the Jets at least was on the up and up.... it wasn't the shady departure Belichick orchestrated when he left NY.

I think it's pretty simple. Belichick taught Mangini how to coach, and figured he'd reap the benefits at least for several years. He has always hated the Jets organization,, and feels betrayed by a young guy he took under his wing. Like an 18 year old daughter who maries a guy her father doesn't approve of, Belichick won't go to the wedding. It's as simple as that. It also burns him that the Jets aren't the awful franchise to work for as Belichick claimed it was. That gets him pissed too. In short, Belichick is a jerk.

That is a lot of hate man.

Bellichick is a great coach.
Parcells is a great coach.
Mangini looks to be headed in the right direction.

To call Bellichick a chump is classless and arrogant because you do not know what went on behind closed doors. I think Bellichick did want the jets coaching job because of the weak ownership situation and also he didn't want to be coaching a team with Parcells in the front office looking down on him.

I agree he didn't want Parcells breating down his neck,, but this seemingly accepted idea that the ownership was weak.... where does that come from? just because there was a new onwer? Like Hess was a great owner? He was the guy that hired Kotite for cryin out loud. W Johnson has proven to be a commited owner in it for the long haul. The hiring of Mangini and Tannenbaum proves that out. So does letting Hermie go to KC. Johnson is a solid owner, low profile, which is good, and hands off the football operation. An ideal owner, IMO.