Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: 2008 Rays thread
Footballguys Forums > Our Forums > The Baseball Forum
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21
gump
Hard to find exact numbers ytd...but it looks to me like we are up roughly 15% in attendance for the year?
greedygoat
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 23 2008, 12:34 PM) *
Hard to find exact numbers ytd...but it looks to me like we are up roughly 15% in attendance for the year?

I'm not sure about attendance but ticket sales are up over 36% from last year. Link

QUOTE
Where did fans go? Crowds shrink as Marlins thrive
By Sarah Talalay | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
June 23, 2008

Armed with the lowest payrolls in Major League Baseball, the Florida Marlins and Tampa Bay Rays resume the Citrus Series on Tuesday at Dolphin Stadium with winning records.

Florida's two baseball teams share some striking similarities: Both are in second place in their divisions. Both are seeing increased TV ratings and merchandise sales. Both hold Saturday night concerts to lure fans.

But while the Rays are capitalizing on their newfound success and seeing attendance rise, the Marlins rank last and are averaging fewer fans a game this year than last, despite pitching what some call the best value for your entertainment dollar.

Average ticket sales through 36 games have dropped 19.4 percent, from 18,355 to 14,795 a game.

Comparing the Marlins and Rays "We don't really sell wins and losses," said Sean Flynn, Marlins vice president of marketing. "We continue to reinforce our brand message that we think we have the best entertainment value in South Florida."

Expectations were low this year for a franchise expected to perform poorly because of its $21.8 million payroll — by far the lowest in baseball. One that plays in an open-air football stadium in sticky and rainy South Florida.

In Tampa, ticket sales are up 36.3 percent through the first 39 games from 14,462 last season to 19,711 this year. Tropicana Field has a roof and air conditioning, allows fans to bring food and drinks and has free parking for cars carrying at least four people. The ownership group, which took control in late 2005, eliminated "Devil" from the team's name and changed its logo this year, which boosted merchandise sales.

Despite Major League Baseball's second lowest payroll of $43.8 million, the Rays are enjoying their first season with a winning record.

"Obviously, changing our name and mark created a natural opportunity to see a spike in merchandise sales," said Mark Fernandez, Rays senior vice president and chief sales officer. "You combine that with the fact the team's having success, it's really been sort of a perfect marriage."

Sports cable networks FSN Florida and Sun Sports are reporting TV ratings increases from last season: 6 percent for the Marlins in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale market (ratings for the West Palm Beach market were not available), and 28.5 percent for the Rays in the Tampa-St. Petersburg market.

Fans also are showing their team colors. At Dolphin Stadium, Boston Culinary Group reports sales of Marlins gear are up 62 percent from last season. Rays' merchandise sales are up 70 percent to 90 percent from last year, Fernandez said.

Retail sales of the teams' gear each represent less than 1 percent among baseball's 30 teams, but both are rising, according to SportsOneSource, which tracks sales of sporting goods at retail.

Sales of Marlins' licensed goods at retailers, other than in-stadium and at team stores, are up 8.8 percent to about $6.2 million from $5.7 million at the same point last year. The Rays' sales have more than doubled to $6.3 million from $2.8 million.

Why such a big leap for the Rays and not the Marlins?

"The new uniform means a lot," said Matt Powell, SportsOneSource analyst. "And the team is doing much better than in previous years."

While the Marlins have won two World Series in their 15-year history, the Rays have never made the playoffs. Although both teams are exceeding expectations, Marlins fans have been there before.

Beyond success, the Florida teams have other similarities. Both are developing new ballparks. Both have Saturday night concerts: the Marlins averaged 22,777 at five Super Saturdays this season; the Rays averaged 28,022 at their first seven Saturdays this season.

Some fans say the concerts bring them to the stadium when they otherwise might not go.

Michael Hull, 54, of Fort Lauderdale, said he's not personally all that interested in the concerts, but plans to attend Saturday's game against the Arizona Diamondbacks because his wife wants to see the post-game K.C. and the Sunshine Band concert. Hull typically goes to a game in each of the Marlins' home series.

Despite the drop in attendance this year, the Marlins marketing plan will continue to focus on the in-stadium experience rather than wins, a strategy Flynn calls "eventization." By stressing entertainment as much as athletics, the Marlins believe they can attract fans no matter how the team performs, "We can control the experience when you get to the stadium," Flynn said.
Statorama
QUOTE
free parking for cars carrying at least four people.


That is a really cool thing to offer, both financially and ecologically.
gump
QUOTE (greedygoat @ Jun 23 2008, 12:53 PM) *
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 23 2008, 12:34 PM) *
Hard to find exact numbers ytd...but it looks to me like we are up roughly 15% in attendance for the year?

I'm not sure about attendance but ticket sales are up over 36% from last year. Link

QUOTE
In Tampa, ticket sales are up 36.3 percent through the first 39 games from 14,462 last season to 19,711 this year.

Sales of Marlins' licensed goods at retailers, other than in-stadium and at team stores, are up 8.8 percent to about $6.2 million from $5.7 million at the same point last year. The Rays' sales have more than doubled to $6.3 million from $2.8 million.



Thanks Greedy...good to hear, although I think that 36% figure is inflated a little because of a better early season schedule in '08 compared to '07.

Also...regarding the comparison of Rays to Marlins....now that the Rays are establishing themselves for the first time as a legit team, and local retail is maturing into what the Bucs currently have...they will consistently see better sales than the Marlins. The Miami market is nowhere near as strong in licensed as Tampa, and the Marlins bring zero national interest.

The Rays should rank around the middle of the pack of the 30 teams in sales. The Marlins will likely always be bottom 5.
Knightro
last I heard, the Rays were around 10-12 for merchandise sales this year. Of course, changing logos will do that for a team so next year will be a more true read.
gump
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 23 2008, 02:45 PM) *
last I heard, the Rays were around 10-12 for merchandise sales this year. Of course, changing logos will do that for a team so next year will be a more true read.


The new logo has skewed it some, but it's also an immature market as far as retail presence. For retailers like Champs who have carried the product before, the Rays are currently top 10 and one of their hottest teams. But some retailers are just getting into it...such as Kohl's and Bealls. Their sales will be up going forward because they will have more product in more floor space.
Knightro
Yep - limited market hurts. I have a very tough time finding new Rays gear in Orlando. I have found one hat, but t-shirts and jerseys have been very tough to find.
gump
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 23 2008, 04:45 PM) *
Yep - limited market hurts. I have a very tough time finding new Rays gear in Orlando. I have found one hat, but t-shirts and jerseys have been very tough to find.


Orlando retail sux. Most retailers won't carry Rays product that far away yet...but hoping that changes soon. I'm sure you can find Yankees, Sox, Cubs, Mets, Cards, Braves, and even Marlins product easier there right now.

Have you tried the Sports Fan-Attics in Oviedo, Ocoee, or Altamonte?
Limp Ditka
What't the word on Iwamura's suspension? I know he's appealed, but is there a date set for the hearing, or a tentative date set on when he starts serving it?
Knightro
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 23 2008, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 23 2008, 04:45 PM) *
Yep - limited market hurts. I have a very tough time finding new Rays gear in Orlando. I have found one hat, but t-shirts and jerseys have been very tough to find.


Orlando retail sux. Most retailers won't carry Rays product that far away yet...but hoping that changes soon. I'm sure you can find Yankees, Sox, Cubs, Mets, Cards, Braves, and even Marlins product easier there right now.

Have you tried the Sports Fan-Attics in Oviedo, Ocoee, or Altamonte?



Not yet - I've been staying in the Waterford area looking for it. I've purchased a jersey for my son at the Disney games, and got mine online through buy.com (suxor service - never buy from there again). I got my hat at Sports Authority.

As far as Iwamura's suspension, the appeal means he'll go to NYC for an appeal. The Rays play there on 7/8 so I would expect him to get his suspension reduced and he'll miss a couple games that week.
skazooz
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 23 2008, 04:44 PM) *
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 23 2008, 02:45 PM) *
last I heard, the Rays were around 10-12 for merchandise sales this year. Of course, changing logos will do that for a team so next year will be a more true read.


The new logo has skewed it some, but it's also an immature market as far as retail presence. For retailers like Champs who have carried the product before, the Rays are currently top 10 and one of their hottest teams. But some retailers are just getting into it...such as Kohl's and Bealls. Their sales will be up going forward because they will have more product in more floor space.



How long will it take to grow the brand through the state though? Last year I couldn't even find merchandise in Plant City, this year I can't find anything with the new logo in Jacksonville.
Knightro
I was wrong on Iwamura - his suspension hearing is tomorrow .
gump
QUOTE (skazooz @ Jun 23 2008, 09:46 PM) *
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 23 2008, 04:44 PM) *
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 23 2008, 02:45 PM) *
last I heard, the Rays were around 10-12 for merchandise sales this year. Of course, changing logos will do that for a team so next year will be a more true read.


The new logo has skewed it some, but it's also an immature market as far as retail presence. For retailers like Champs who have carried the product before, the Rays are currently top 10 and one of their hottest teams. But some retailers are just getting into it...such as Kohl's and Bealls. Their sales will be up going forward because they will have more product in more floor space.


How long will it take to grow the brand through the state though? Last year I couldn't even find merchandise in Plant City, this year I can't find anything with the new logo in Jacksonville.


It's starting from ground zero...so a while. But it's growing rapidly now in the Tampa Bay area...Orlando retail starting to pick up for the 2nd half. In Jax...Football Fanatics I know carries online, not sure when/if they will in their stores.

The national retailers won't expand that far out of the market for quite a while. They'll stick to the safe bets in Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Mets for now. Maybe if the Rays make the postseason that will kick start it.
gump
Does anyone have faith in Percival for the 2nd half?

Who else than Longoria has a shot at AL ROY?
Capella
Percy will hit the DL when Reyes is eligible to come off. I imagine they're just going to rotate bullpen guys for a while in order to keep everybody.
greedygoat
2 sweet defensive plays by Longoria and Aki last night to help Percival avoid a disastrous ninth. Come on, four walks?
Knightro
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 25 2008, 08:57 AM) *
Does anyone have faith in Percival for the 2nd half?

Who else than Longoria has a shot at AL ROY?


little faith in him - - he is compensating for an injury

ROY is Ellsbury's to lose unless Longoria starts hitting for a better average. He is clueless against left-handed pitching for the most part this year. Breaking stuff and changeups are eating him up.
Benny Beaver
Every player in the lineup scored a run in the 5th inning just now. Wow.
Capella
Bucs just kicked the extra-point.
Grahamburn
Garza no-no through six. He did look tough while I was watching the game on my lunch break.
Capella
Never thought I'd see the day this franchise was 16 over .500. crybaby.gif
Knightro
Garza 1 hitter, 10 K's, 1 walk today.

Only hit was a solo shot to HanRam - who had as many homers today that Delmon Young has all season smile.gif

In fact, Ben Zobrist has 2x as many homers in the last 2 days than Young has all year!
Knightro
Jacob McGee - TJ surgery on Monday

http://www.projectprospect.com/article/200...my-john-surgery

ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif
The Ref
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 26 2008, 04:35 PM) *



But it looks like David Price is up with the AA club.
MrPhoenix
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 26 2008, 02:20 PM) *
Garza 1 hitter, 10 K's, 1 walk today.

Only hit was a solo shot to HanRam - who had as many homers today that Delmon Young has all season smile.gif

In fact, Ben Zobrist has 2x as many homers in the last 2 days than Young has all year!

I wonder who's going to end up with a longer career: Delmon Young or Ben Grieve?
Balco
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 26 2008, 02:35 PM) *


Very tough blow. They are still stacked with pitching, but McGee was a blue chip prospect.
Knightro
Iwamura's suspension remains at 3 games and starts today.

Somehow, Coco Crips suspension was reduced 2 games???
gump
Way to hold your ground Cappy!! thumbup1.gif
Knightro
Oh yea, who has the best record in the American League now?? smile.gif
wilked
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 29 2008, 03:51 PM) *
Oh yea, who has the best record in the American League now?? smile.gif

I was under the impression that the Rays had the best ####ing record in the Majors all year-long?
Doctor Detroit
QUOTE (Capella @ Jun 26 2008, 02:03 PM) *
Never thought I'd see the day this franchise was 16 over .500. crybaby.gif

Peter Gammons just said it was "good for baseball" that the Rays are so good and I agree. I'm not really that surprised given Shields and Kazmir and some nice young hitters but they are probably better than I thought they'd be at this stage. I thought around .500 and then a nice late run to finish with about 85 wins or so. They might fall off a little down the stretch but they are gonna be in the hunt for the playoffs deep into September as it looks. I'll root for them if they aren't playing the Tigers or if they aren't in competition with the Tigers for the wildcard.
Knightro
If the Cubs lose tonight, the title of this thread will once again be accurate.

I said 85-77 before the season started but I hope I was underestimating.
gump
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 25 2008, 12:58 PM) *
QUOTE (gump @ Jun 25 2008, 08:57 AM) *

Who else than Longoria has a shot at AL ROY?


ROY is Ellsbury's to lose unless Longoria starts hitting for a better average. He is clueless against left-handed pitching for the most part this year. Breaking stuff and changeups are eating him up.


Longoria is reeling him in! Is about to catch him in average, and ahead in most other stats other than runs and SB. How political an award is ROY?
Capella
QUOTE (wilked @ Jun 4 2008, 11:20 PM) *
mods, pleeze fix subtitle


QUOTE (Alias @ Jun 5 2008, 10:42 AM) *
best record in the majors?


QUOTE (SuperAwesomeDude @ Jun 5 2008, 12:41 PM) *
you guys still 1st in the ####### majors?


QUOTE (Finless @ Jun 5 2008, 12:44 PM) *
Can we change the name of the subtitle please


QUOTE (Clifton @ Jun 6 2008, 12:07 AM) *
Can we change the thread title?



nerd.gif
pollardsvision
big series with the 2nd place red sox.
interleague play is nice, but it's time for some AL east action.

btw, how does joe maddon consistently get role players/bench players/spot starters to produce. it feels like he sits them down and says, "okay, i'm going to get you in the lineup today, but only if you promise to come up with at least one timely HR" and then they do it.
to me, that's been the big story from the rays offense this season. at first, i kept wanting maddon to settle on an everyday lineup, but what he's doing is obviously keeping everybody fresh and keeping everyman on the roster more mentally focused when they do get some AB's.

Knightro
QUOTE (pollardsvision @ Jun 30 2008, 08:39 AM) *
big series with the 2nd place red sox.
interleague play is nice, but it's time for some AL east action.

btw, how does joe maddon consistently get role players/bench players/spot starters to produce. it feels like he sits them down and says, "okay, i'm going to get you in the lineup today, but only if you promise to come up with at least one timely HR" and then they do it.
to me, that's been the big story from the rays offense this season. at first, i kept wanting maddon to settle on an everyday lineup, but what he's doing is obviously keeping everybody fresh and keeping everyman on the roster more mentally focused when they do get some AB's.


He is forced to platoon because of some of the skillsets on the team. Gross is a disaster against lefties - and Gomes can't hit most righties so the 2 platoon. The team is too lefty and is desperate need of a RH power bat to help out Longoria in the middle of the lineup.

MVP of the team is JP Howell - he has bailed the Rays out of more messes than I can count this year.
gump
Another headline article...this time on ESPN the Mag:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3467151

thumbup1.gif

Actually getting nervous about tonite, like it's a big football game.
skazooz
QUOTE (pollardsvision @ Jun 30 2008, 08:39 AM) *
big series with the 2nd place red sox.
interleague play is nice, but it's time for some AL east action.

btw, how does joe maddon consistently get role players/bench players/spot starters to produce. it feels like he sits them down and says, "okay, i'm going to get you in the lineup today, but only if you promise to come up with at least one timely HR" and then they do it.
to me, that's been the big story from the rays offense this season. at first, i kept wanting maddon to settle on an everyday lineup, but what he's doing is obviously keeping everybody fresh and keeping everyman on the roster more mentally focused when they do get some AB's.


Or is it Friedman who's identifying players that fit into the role that Joe will likely ask of them? Maybe some sort of team effort.
[icon]
That damn Trop catwalk that has robbed Ortiz of a couple HRs Finally helps boston by knocking down a flyout to keep Boston in the game

Percival hobbled sad.gif hope he's alright....
pollardsvision
f'in catwalk!!!!!!!!
pollardsvision
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jun 30 2008, 09:26 AM) *
QUOTE (pollardsvision @ Jun 30 2008, 08:39 AM) *
big series with the 2nd place red sox.
interleague play is nice, but it's time for some AL east action.

btw, how does joe maddon consistently get role players/bench players/spot starters to produce. it feels like he sits them down and says, "okay, i'm going to get you in the lineup today, but only if you promise to come up with at least one timely HR" and then they do it.
to me, that's been the big story from the rays offense this season. at first, i kept wanting maddon to settle on an everyday lineup, but what he's doing is obviously keeping everybody fresh and keeping everyman on the roster more mentally focused when they do get some AB's.


He is forced to platoon because of some of the skillsets on the team. Gross is a disaster against lefties - and Gomes can't hit most righties so the 2 platoon. The team is too lefty and is desperate need of a RH power bat to help out Longoria in the middle of the lineup.

MVP of the team is JP Howell - he has bailed the Rays out of more messes than I can count this year.


the bondsman does it again.
pollardsvision
i need some help. i think all the calenders in my house might be defective. they all say JULY and the rays have a 1.5 game lead in the mighty AL East.
gump
OK...so the first half of the marathon is over...and we're cruising along.

CC, Upton, and Pena could easily improve offensively. Longoria is getting better at the plate weekly. Aki had a rough start. I'm sure Hinske/Gross/Aybar could hit worse though.

Kaz missed a month. Shields has been flaky. Garza flakier. Sonny has nowhere to go but down though. And obviously the bullpen can't perform any better. But we could see the addition of a lefty who can throw 99.

Am I crazy to think we will be better in the 2nd half, barring injury?

pollardsvision
QUOTE (gump @ Jul 1 2008, 08:37 AM) *
OK...so the first half of the marathon is over...and we're cruising along.

CC, Upton, and Pena could easily improve offensively. Longoria is getting better at the plate weekly. Aki had a rough start. I'm sure Hinske/Gross/Aybar could hit worse though.

Kaz missed a month. Shields has been flaky. Garza flakier. Sonny has nowhere to go but down though. And obviously the bullpen can't perform any better. But we could see the addition of a lefty who can throw 99.

Am I crazy to think we will be better in the 2nd half, barring injury?


i think it's possible that the rays could perform even better in the 2nd half, but to me, the bullpen is the key to this whole thing and it feels like they are pitching a little above their heads. if the bullpen starts to lose it a little, that'll have a big effect in the W-L columns (especially for a team that seems to be getting by on solid pitching, great defense, and timely hitting).

i think the offense and pitching will be a wash. the role players will cool down, but CC and upton have to heat up. there's enough guys contributing that the runs will get scored. the SPing should be about the same. kaz and shields will ensure that there are no prolonged losing streaks. garza/sonny/e-jax keep us in most games with some gems and some clunkers mixed in.

with all that said, i think it's safe to say that we really have no idea what this team is truly capable of at this point.
gump
Last night’s Rays / Sox game averaged an 8.5 local household rating and a 20 share...peaked at a 12.8 rating which means that nearly 225,000 homes in Tampa Bay were tuned into the game during that time. Between Tampa Bay and Orlando, 271,000 households watched the game.

Wonder how Wed will come out?
SuperAwesomeDude
QUOTE (gump @ Jul 1 2008, 10:44 AM) *
Last night’s Rays / Sox game averaged an 8.5 local household rating and a 20 share...peaked at a 12.8 rating which means that nearly 225,000 homes in Tampa Bay were tuned into the game during that time. Between Tampa Bay and Orlando, 271,000 households watched the game.

Wonder how Wed will come out?

when is the eta on that new stadium?
[icon]
QUOTE (pollardsvision @ Jul 1 2008, 07:10 AM) *
i need some help. i think all the calenders in my house might be defective. they all say JULY and the rays have a 1.5 game lead in the mighty AL East.


1.5/10

I'm as happy as anyone to see the Rays finally emerging due to the stockpile of young talent... but let's not sitr the ghost of Mr Lombardi here.... wink1.gif

Knightro
QUOTE (SuperAwesomeDude @ Jul 1 2008, 11:49 AM) *
QUOTE (gump @ Jul 1 2008, 10:44 AM) *
Last night's Rays / Sox game averaged an 8.5 local household rating and a 20 share...peaked at a 12.8 rating which means that nearly 225,000 homes in Tampa Bay were tuned into the game during that time. Between Tampa Bay and Orlando, 271,000 households watched the game.

Wonder how Wed will come out?

when is the eta on that new stadium?


new stadium has been put on hold. Ownership decided to suspend the project because the vibe was the local geezers would kill the vote. They'll wait 2 more years for them to die or they'll give Tampa the opportunity to build a yard on the other side of the bay and scare St Pete into voting for it or losing all of that revenue.
SuperAwesomeDude
QUOTE (Knightro @ Jul 1 2008, 11:44 AM) *
QUOTE (SuperAwesomeDude @ Jul 1 2008, 11:49 AM) *
QUOTE (gump @ Jul 1 2008, 10:44 AM) *
Last night's Rays / Sox game averaged an 8.5 local household rating and a 20 share...peaked at a 12.8 rating which means that nearly 225,000 homes in Tampa Bay were tuned into the game during that time. Between Tampa Bay and Orlando, 271,000 households watched the game.

Wonder how Wed will come out?

when is the eta on that new stadium?


new stadium has been put on hold. Ownership decided to suspend the project because the vibe was the local geezers would kill the vote. They'll wait 2 more years for them to die or they'll give Tampa the opportunity to build a yard on the other side of the bay and scare St Pete into voting for it or losing all of that revenue.

that sucks, they need to get that stadium up as fast as possible.
Capella
It'll go up in two years at a vacant lot called Toytown. I don't think they need the vote on it, the Mayor (actually a strong mayor) and the CEO of the biggest local corp are driving the bus behind the scenes.

New yard will probably be up in 2013, imo.

ps, #### the Red Sox.

pps, #### the Yankees.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.