shadyridr
Apr 8 2008, 08:39 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 8 2008, 10:32 AM)

Yea I'll take my chances with Garza, Bartlett and the RF du jour over Delmon right now. No-brainer really.
Not really saying the trade wasnt good just saying I dont think their lineup improved and Ill stick to that comment.
Capella
Apr 8 2008, 08:45 AM
Maybe hasn't improved, but it hasn't regressed either. The only guy you can say is better offensively than the new guy is Harris over Bartlett, and that's pretty close -- and Bartlett's defense is so much better it's comical.
Knightro
Apr 8 2008, 08:47 AM
the only shorstop worse than Harris defensively is, well, Jeets.
gump
Apr 8 2008, 10:09 AM
Cappy - I'll be there tonight! I'm as excited about this game as I was for Opening Night in Year 1. It's supposed to be 48K strong right...with the upper deck open?
I definitely agree on the weather being a factor the last week...with Aki, CC, and Upton especially. They could barely get the ball out of the infield.
Norseman
Apr 8 2008, 01:19 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 8 2008, 09:28 AM)

Anybody else going to the opener tonight? Pretty excited.
I'll be there tonight, also. I have not been to a season opener yet. It should be great!
skazooz
Apr 8 2008, 04:11 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 8 2008, 09:28 AM)

Anybody else going to the opener tonight? Pretty excited.
Pitching looks good so far. Hitting got shut down the last two days...does concern me. Going Gomes/Floyd then Hinske, Aybar, catcher and Bartlett in the 5-9 spots is pretty ugly. Haven't been impressed with Aybar at all to this point, he's just keeping the spot warm.
Of course, Longoria is off to a tepid start in Durham too.
Knightro/MJ - What do you think of Brignac next year? Any chance Bartlett is a one-year answer? Seems that they like him quite a bit, but Reid's time has to be soon.
Bartlett is average with the stick, a hair above with the glove, is Brignac still an error machine?
skazooz
Apr 8 2008, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (Knightro @ Apr 8 2008, 10:47 AM)

the only shorstop worse than Harris defensively is, well, Jeets.
Hanley Ramirez down?
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 05:54 AM
They called up Jae Ryu?

Are they even trying to win?
guru_007
Apr 9 2008, 05:58 AM
Rays got robbed last night

Upton was safe on that triple. If his shoe didn't fall off coming out of the box, he would have made it standing up.
That bullpen is going to be brutal though. Reyes and Percival both top out at about 87 mph. I just can't see them closing out many games effectively.
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 06:17 AM
I think Percival will be fine...Reyes, not so much.
I don't think they got robbed, I think Madden blew it. Seriously, an intentional walk in the 3rd inning to load the bases with two outs and your wild pitcher on the hill? What the #### was that all about? I've never seen anything so stupid.
And why is Dohmann pitching in critical situations?
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 06:21 AM
I can only imagine JP Howell will go into Garza's spot and Ryu goes to long relief. No way they're dumb enough to let that guy start.
Is Niemann out of options? Is that the only reason they won't promote him?
gump
Apr 9 2008, 06:24 AM
Nice night at the Trop anyway. I've never heard the crowd as loud as it was following the Upton call and Maddon tossing.
The buyer for the Trop came from the Metrodome...she says the Trop is nicer...so we have that going for us at least, which is nice.
Sammy3469
Apr 9 2008, 06:47 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 9 2008, 08:21 AM)

I can only imagine JP Howell will go into Garza's spot and Ryu goes to long relief. No way they're dumb enough to let that guy start.
Is Niemann out of options? Is that the only reason they won't promote him?
I think he may be.
Kaz-ella will also be ready in the near future
shadyridr
Apr 9 2008, 06:56 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 9 2008, 08:21 AM)

I can only imagine JP Howell will go into Garza's spot and Ryu goes to long relief. No way they're dumb enough to let that guy start.
Is Niemann out of options? Is that the only reason they won't promote him?
Why would that matter? Isnt an option good for the whole year which means they can send him down as much as they want this year? Unless your saying his option would carry over until next year if they dont call him up at all this year.
Patoons
Apr 9 2008, 07:02 AM
Thought I read they are likely to call Niemann up on Sunday?
Sammy3469
Apr 9 2008, 07:05 AM
QUOTE (shadyridr @ Apr 9 2008, 08:56 AM)

QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 9 2008, 08:21 AM)

I can only imagine JP Howell will go into Garza's spot and Ryu goes to long relief. No way they're dumb enough to let that guy start.
Is Niemann out of options? Is that the only reason they won't promote him?
Why would that matter? Isnt an option good for the whole year which means they can send him down as much as they want this year? Unless your saying his option would carry over until next year if they dont call him up at all this year.
He's definetly not out of options and he's on the 40-man roster, so this may only be a short term move until they need a starter (ie until they need Neimann to start since he looks like he's good to go)
Like a lot of teams, they also have a fairly brutal April in terms of consecutive days played, so they may just be juggling arms so no one gets overworked.
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 07:14 AM
QUOTE (Patoons @ Apr 9 2008, 09:02 AM)

Thought I read they are likely to call Niemann up on Sunday?
I haven't had a chance to read the papers today - link?
Patoons
Apr 9 2008, 07:34 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 9 2008, 09:14 AM)

QUOTE (Patoons @ Apr 9 2008, 09:02 AM)

Thought I read they are likely to call Niemann up on Sunday?
I haven't had a chance to read the papers today - link?
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/apr/09/sp...nnerving-trend/Midway down.
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 07:50 AM
Thanks man.
At least they're finally going to get off the pot with Niemmann.
Knightro
Apr 9 2008, 11:22 AM
Confirmed that Niemann is starting on Sunday
Tony Danza
Apr 9 2008, 11:41 AM
QUOTE (Knightro @ Apr 9 2008, 12:22 PM)

Confirmed that Niemann is starting on Sunday
Rays fans, tell me a little something about Niemann.
I know he was highly thought of when drafted, and it's cooled a little due to some injury problems.
Any other info is appreciated.
Knightro
Apr 9 2008, 11:58 AM
Lost a lot of weight this offseason and looked to be in great shape in March. Throws 92-94 with a solid curve but not much of a change. He's a large guy - 6'9", so he's slow to the plate and doesn't do much to curb the running game.
gump
Apr 9 2008, 03:20 PM
Kaz on the DL, Garza hurt, now Floyd gimpy. With a LOT of home and division games in the next month, this is terrible timing for a young team looking for confidence.
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 03:25 PM
Gump - I don't think there's any difference between the productioon Garza and Niemann would give the team. Kaz hurts obviously, but Garza to Jeff is really no drop at all, imo.
Knightro
Apr 9 2008, 03:54 PM
Agreed Cappy
Niemann should have made the team out of camp anyhow
The RF situation will suck but Ruggiano is an upgrade defensively over Hinske/Gomes out there
gump
Apr 9 2008, 06:19 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 9 2008, 05:25 PM)

Gump - I don't think there's any difference between the productioon Garza and Niemann would give the team. Kaz hurts obviously, but Garza to Jeff is really no drop at all, imo.
Glad to hear you guys feel that way.
Now can you make me feel better about the disappearance of the top of the lineup so far?
Capella
Apr 9 2008, 06:31 PM
Man, this team can't score.
New year, same ####. Geez.
MAC_32
Apr 9 2008, 07:06 PM
QUOTE (Knightro @ Apr 9 2008, 04:54 PM)

Niemann should have made the team out of camp anyhow
Why you guys started the year with Hammell and Edwin penciled in for #4 and #5 over Niemann and Howell is still a mystery to me.
Knightro
Apr 9 2008, 08:56 PM
QUOTE (MAC_32 @ Apr 9 2008, 08:06 PM)

QUOTE (Knightro @ Apr 9 2008, 04:54 PM)

Niemann should have made the team out of camp anyhow
Why you guys started the year with Hammell and Edwin penciled in for #4 and #5 over Niemann and Howell is still a mystery to me.
They were both out of options while Niemann still had an option left
Capella
Apr 10 2008, 06:24 AM
Boy all that optimism sure washed away quick, no?
pollardsvision
Apr 10 2008, 06:39 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 08:24 AM)

Boy all that optimism sure washed away quick, no?
this is still the same team that pounded the yanks for 2 in yankee stadium.
they had some tough breaks over the last 4.
-wang was on fire.
-not touching mussina is less forgiveable
-garza's outing was just a tough blow, as he walked a bunch of guys before leaving and making the rays go to pen in the 3rd. there's little reason to believe we'd win a game like that (and we still only lost by a run).
-one thing that'll go unnoticed about last night is randy marsh. you can't understate the effect an ump like marsh can have on a pitcher like sonnanstine. marsh nullified sonnanstine's strength (his control) and made him offer up gopher balls. i expect sonannstine to be much better.
after a bunch of tough breaks, the rays are 3-5 (one game behind the yanks). the defense seems to be playing well (upton looks like he'll be a great CF), the offense has shown plenty of signs and will come around. sonnanstine and jackson could very well make great end of the rotation guys when kaz gets back.
a good outing from jackson would certainly get things going back in the right direction.
wadegarrett
Apr 10 2008, 06:49 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 08:24 AM)

Boy all that optimism sure washed away quick, no?
Baltimore is 6-1.
I wouldn't lose it just yet.
gump
Apr 10 2008, 06:57 AM
15 of next 17 games at home. The offense needs to get it's collective head out of it's rear now.
Capella
Apr 10 2008, 07:53 AM
I'm not in panic mode over the top-4 of the order; they'll be fine. It's that I see almost no upside in that 5-9 slot, especially with Floyd dead.
shadyridr
Apr 10 2008, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (pollardsvision @ Apr 10 2008, 08:39 AM)

QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 08:24 AM)

Boy all that optimism sure washed away quick, no?
this is still the same team that pounded the yanks for 2 in yankee stadium.
Fat Drunk and Stupid
Apr 10 2008, 01:06 PM
Edwin Jackson pretty much locked up the Cy Young today.
Capella
Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM
Boy, Edwin looks awesome. Maybe waiting around for him was a good idea. I'm still a bit unsure on him, but couple his second-half with these first two starts and you may have something.
Fat Drunk and Stupid
Apr 10 2008, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 02:13 PM)

Boy, Edwin looks awesome. Maybe waiting around for him was a good idea. I'm still a bit unsure on him, but couple his second-half with these first two starts and you may have something.
AIM down, jackass?
Capella
Apr 10 2008, 01:20 PM
QUOTE (Fat Drunk and Stupid @ Apr 10 2008, 03:15 PM)

QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 02:13 PM)

Boy, Edwin looks awesome. Maybe waiting around for him was a good idea. I'm still a bit unsure on him, but couple his second-half with these first two starts and you may have something.
AIM down, jackass?
Yes, I'm with no aim at the moment.
Email is cbeltz@gmail if you want to holla.
Fat Drunk and Stupid
Apr 10 2008, 01:24 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 02:20 PM)

QUOTE (Fat Drunk and Stupid @ Apr 10 2008, 03:15 PM)

QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 02:13 PM)

Boy, Edwin looks awesome. Maybe waiting around for him was a good idea. I'm still a bit unsure on him, but couple his second-half with these first two starts and you may have something.
AIM down, jackass?
Yes, I'm with no aim at the moment.
Email is cbeltz@gmail if you want to holla.
meh, all I asked was, "The hell is Edwin Jackson doing today?"
Capella
Apr 10 2008, 01:30 PM
So what you're saying is, you don't want to talk to me?
Fat Drunk and Stupid
Apr 10 2008, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 10 2008, 02:30 PM)

So what you're saying is, you don't want to talk to me?

yes
Sammy3469
Apr 11 2008, 10:44 AM
GB the Rays
Al Reyes got Tasered last night:
QUOTE
Rays reliever Al Reyes was arrested early Friday morning after "falling down, picking a fight and spitting blood at the patrons of a popular Hyde Park night spot," according to a report in the St. Petersburg Times.
Link
gump
Apr 11 2008, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (Sammy3469 @ Apr 11 2008, 12:44 PM)

GB the Rays
Al Reyes got Tasered last night:
QUOTE
Rays reliever Al Reyes was arrested early Friday morning after "falling down, picking a fight and spitting blood at the patrons of a popular Hyde Park night spot," according to a report in the St. Petersburg Times.
So he got drunk on his birthday and made an ### of himself. Not going to affect his trade value as much as his ERA.
Anyone know where this was? Hyde Park Cafe I assume?
Capella
Apr 11 2008, 09:23 PM
Longoria up. Naturally, he made the cut for the extra year of free-agency by two days.

I guess you can't really complain about that move, all things considered.
Here's to him never going back down. Nice win today, as well.
Gump - it was at hyde park cafe, yes.
pollardsvision
Apr 12 2008, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (Capella @ Apr 11 2008, 11:23 PM)

Longoria up. Naturally, he made the cut for the extra year of free-agency by two days.

I guess you can't really complain about that move, all things considered.
Here's to him never going back down. Nice win today, as well.
Gump - it was at hyde park cafe, yes.
i thought the cut was around a month, so now his callup is even more exciting.
i'm glad they called him up now with the bats already coming alive. i think going 2 weeks without him has been a good thing. the rays are showing that they don't really "need" his bat to score runs, though a productive longoria would certainly help.
it's a shame i'm blacked out from all orioles games. i'd love to catch his debut.
Capella
Apr 12 2008, 07:32 PM
Jesus Christ, I love Carlos Pena
Knightro
Apr 12 2008, 07:41 PM
I want to untie my wife's tubes, and have another child, just so I can name it Carlos Pena
Patoons
Apr 13 2008, 12:33 PM
Niemann looks like he got off to a slow start in the first... some nerves maybe.
Getting a lot of fly ball outs (seem to be deep). How does he actually LOOK?
Knightro
Apr 13 2008, 01:37 PM
Looked great after the first inning. He was squeezed by Bucknor on 2 curveballs as Bucknor adjusted to his big break, but from 2-6, he was solid except for the solo shot he gave up to Markakis after he sat for 30 minutes when the Rays batted around in the 5th.
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