To keep the draft thread clean

Westy should be the 2nd pick and not ADP

Can't go wrong with either...but you'd be kicking yourself if you pass on AD and he blew up again. I think if anyone wants to discuss why they chose, it would be helpful too, would give some insight into why they chose they way they did. Only if they so choose, however.

Also, can you post each round of picks after it's completed?

I'll start a thread in the SP for discussion tomorrow. I'll post each rounds picks there.


As for the Addai pick - I have him projected as the 5th best RB right now. I would have rather had any of the four guys selected above him, but I'm happy landing him as my RB1.

The people picking SJAX, MBII, and Portis will be kicking themselves come season's end.

SJAX 1.04 or later is a steal..........

You had your chance to get in switz, stick to the Shark Pool. Ha, I kid. I, however, disagree with you on Sjax and MB3. I think Portis is more of a risk, but the others are primed for bigger years.

Never even saw the invite in the Shark Pool

So says the lemming...

He's the SA of 2008 IMO. I may end up being wrong, but that's how I see it right now.

Yitbos, if I were you I'd gladly take SA's 2001/02/03/04/05's numbers.

Here's what we got so far:

1.1 - LT
1.2 - ADP
1.3 - Westy
1.4 - SJax
1.5 - Addai
1.6 - Gore
1.7 - MB3
1.8 - Portis
1.9 - Bush
1.10 - Moss
1.11 - LJ
1.12 - Lynch
2.1 - McGahee

My vote for best value is LJ. My gut says he will finish as a top 5 RB this season.

OK, so I took AD for two very simple reasons.

#1 - He simply has more upside than any RB in the league. I mean, the guy could legitimately run for 2000 yards this year. Who else in the league can we say that about and be serious about it?

#2 - As impressive as Westy was last year, I just find it very difficult to think that he can avoid the injury bug two years in a row. I'm not typically one to predict injuries or let them affect my strategy, but as much as people give Peterson grief over being an injury risk, I feel that Westy is more of one. He is higher risk with Peterson having the higher reward.

In redrafts, there is no planning for the future like a dynasty, so it's a "swing for the fences" mentality. AD fits that bill.

Sounds good to me. I am not one to quibble - I think each players has their pros and cons. Now, if we could just keep the draft moving.

really wanted MJD at 2.03 thought he would make it. thought hard about a brady/moss connection but went rb with grant, who I do like but not as much as MJD anyways...

I shouldn't be surprised Grant went at 2.03 - but I was anyway. In short, I like the pick.

hopefully we can get a couple rounds in today, you guys can always leave a predraft list with me if you think you are not going to be around during the day. being able to predraft on ants would have been nice....

i'm here like that running back for the vikings.......

I'm in education, and the perks are great. I'll be here.

I aint got #### to do today!!!!

ETA - I have all of 1 meeting today for 15 minutes.

After all that "let's do this talk" things have really sloooowed down.

No kidding.

Come on folks, Im bored at work!

ok I'll take getting a round in today I guess

You would think it would be a lot easier and faster to fill up and complete a mock draft on Footballguys.com

14/15 first picks were RB....hmmmmm

my two main leagues, actually all that I play in give 6 pts for TD pass, so I know that would change things here....

Well, if we'd have done this like normal people and ran the mock on MFL, it would be going a LOT faster.

First I don't care about the speed of the draft, I don't do a mock just to blaze through it and be done with it but ...



Not sure why their should be a difference.

People are around here and can take pre-draft lists (this is a mock)
Not any more difficult to check this site than MFL is (at least that I can see)
???

FYI - this site is blocked from my work, but I've lucked out so far. I try to come home for lunch each day to check. I'll try my best not to be a slowpoke.

I like this better than MFL. First, alot of places block MFL, at least my place of work. Secondly, this gives us a common place to discuss our draft for others to see. Id much rather have it here.

if I am not around make my pick for me heres a list for 3.10

I have never done a mock on MFL, is it good? There never seems to be anyone there like at CBS. But therein lies the dilemma, hundreds of people at CBS, most of whom are uninformed and mock the mocks.

hey guys sorry....weekends are tough....got on at 9:00 last night my time to make the pick and then busy all day today with baseball coaching and umpiring...on the turn made it tough....I am active....it's just tough...we have all had to sit around and wait a little, but I think we can get some good out of this....

lets hang in even if it takes awhile....

I don't like my team. I'll be honest. MB3, DMac, Edwards, Witten to start won't scare anyone. Anyway, of course I am in transit from my gf's house and I take the extra 30 min, sorry about that. Glad to see it started moving again. Oh, and I am always down for a mock, I am a FF junkie. Next time we should do MFL and have a thread here with resutls and commentary. It would give me a chance to actually see players go off the board and have a the "pool" of players left. Anyway, I like the way some of your guys teams are coming along...I hope you blow the next pick, ha.

I think you may have reached on DMac, as he had the real possibility of making it back to you in rd4. I made an excel spreadsheet to visually track the picks and see what positions people may be inclined to pick next. Looking at the spreadsheet, I think you picked DMac because:
1) you thought it was too early to take Brees at QB, but you probably also knew he'd be gone when it got back to you in rd4
2) you didn't like the choices of Boldin or Marshall at WR, because you thought they weren't worth the 3.7 pick
3) you knew it was way too early to take Witten, and he would most certainly make it back to you in rd4
4) you felt the need to get your RB2 before 4.6, but didn't really like your options, so you swung for the fence with DMac

By the way, if you didn't pick DMac, you were most likely considering Brees at 3.7 instead, right?

IMO you followed up the reach of DMac with another reach of Witten, because you felt you needed a stud at TE to make up for the weaknesses you had elsewhere. But in your defense, I can assure you that Witten would've been gone before you picked again.

You basically got it all right, except I wasn't even weighing Witten in the 3rd. However, it's funny because I said to myself, this is a June mock and I will treat it that way. Following that logic, I should not have taken DMac and taken Marshall. But it came down to the fact that I do not care for people with character issues (I got burned on Henry) so I passed on Marshall. I also value Boldin lower, so I said I will take DMac, since he will not be there in the 4th. Hindsight proves I should have taken Brees and had DMac next. I like Witten this year, more than Holmes/Bowe with that pick, so I took him.

Are you being sarcastic and saying Witten would have been there and I really, really overreached? Well it's a mock, and I am glad that this in June, ha.

No, not at all sarcastic about the Witten pick. He would've been gone for sure, because he wouldn't have made it past me at 5.4 (and he likely wouldn't have even made it back to me at 5.4). IMO you reached at least a full round or more for DMac, but only half a round for Witten.

Like you said, it's a tad harder to draft without seeing all the remaining players at each position, so I chose the geeky route and created my own spreadsheet. I think it will really help for a few reasons. First, I can be sure not to miss any players accidentally. Second, knowing what positions people are likely to draft is critical to waiting a round and crossing your fingers, hoping value slides your way. Third, I will be able to quickly see bye weeks, giving me an inclination as to what players people will skip over so they avoid bye conflicts for their backup players (I doubt many are even looking at this during this mock, but just in case they are, I'd like to know).

4.6 a reach for Witten?

As I said, it was only a small reach IMO (half a round). I think his ADP is around the end of the 4th round.

Fair enough. I'm not a big fan of your pick of Holt, but I don't really think it was a reach, I'd just of preferred Burress to avoid relying on the Rams O (I also have PB rated higher) too much.... I appreciate feedback.....and would like some more drafting so I could receive more.

Does MFL - while in the draft - show you each teams drafted team? So I can basically see what they still need, etc?

I really like my team so far. I have three solid RBs and a top flight WR. I actually had Jacobs as the next highest RB on my list after Jamal Lewis who I took at 3.05.

Joseph Addai
Jamal Lewis
Brandon Jacobs

Larry Fizgerald

Yes, MFL shows you remaining players and team makeups.

As for Holt, I think he is undervalued in redraft leagues. He has proven to be a stud, no matter how good/bad the Rams offense has been. Just look at these incredible stats over his career:
1999 - 52/788/6 - WR35
2000 - 82/1635/6 - WR7
2001 - 81/1363/7 - WR8
2002 - 91/1302/4 - WR15
2003 - 117/1696/12 - WR2
2004 - 94/1372/10 - WR7
2005 - 102/1331/9 - WR6
2006 - 93/1188/10 - WR6
2007 - 93/1189/7 - WR13

Compare those to Plaxico's career:
2000 - 23/273/0 - WR92
2001 - 66/1008/6 - WR25
2002 - 78/1325/7 - WR8
2003 - 60/860/4 - WR28
2004 - 35/698/5 - WR43
2005 - 76/1214/7 - WR11
2006 - 63/988/10 -WR12
2007 - 70/1025/12 - WR10

Since their rookie seasons, Holt hasn't had less than 81 catches (and no less than 91 catches in the last 6 years!) Plax has never even had an 80-catch season, yet Holt has topped that mark every year since his rookie season. As for yardage, Holt is slowing down, but his average since his rookie season is more than Plax's best year (which was 6 years ago). I'll take the consistency of Holt over Plax, especially in a PPR redraft. As I said, the Rams offense doesn't scare me off. We all know that Bulger rarely plays a full season (only 1 time in his career), but you can't tell that by looking at Holt's stats. I think he has possibly the lowest floor of just about any WR. Plax's value is based moreso on his TD totals than his catches/yards and I tend to shy away from guys like that. Holt has averaged being the WR8 since his rookie season; Plax has averaged being WR20 since his rookie season - Holt's average finish is equal to Plax's best finish. As for their respective ages, Holt is only 1 year older than Plax (this shocked me when I looked it up as I thought Holt was at least 3 yrs older).

You know, I can't disagree. I like to go with my gut - and would have taken Burress. I probably would have been wrong assuming Holt was much older. Thanks for the schooling, lol.

My pre-draft list.

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You know, I can't disagree. I like to go with my gut - and would have taken Burress. I probably would have been wrong assuming Holt was much older. Thanks for the schooling, lol.
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I also assumed Holt was much older. I am glad you mentioned Plax, because it made me dig further. I was totally shocked to see how old Plax was. This is what makes these mocks so useful. We both learned something new.

Yes, that's a very nice RB corps. One small criticism - your RB3's bye week is the same as your RB1. Perhaps you already knew this, but simply couldn't pass up Jacobs at 4.8. Just thought I'd mention it if you were unaware.

just a quick comment on the 3 RB thing....in all of the leagues I play in we can start 3 RB's so many times (almost all) I draft 3 RB's first....however in this draft you can only start 2 RB and you start 3 WR's.....so I agree that your team looks good on paper, but you HAVE to start 3 WR's and you can only start 2 RB's....and the fact that you have two guys with the same bye week in your backfield took away one of the advantages of going with this strategy....in effect you have drafted a bench player in the 4th round.....so while it is nice to have those names on your roster, and it gives you some depth if you were to have an injury, I am not sure that taking 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds is good in this format........not sure how the numbers crunch, but not sure this was the best value play with this starting lineup requirement compared to taking someone at another position in the 4th........

just my two cents....

Brandon Jacobs looked like the best value to me. I have him projected to be a top 15 RB this year. I've found in my years of playing FF that you can never have too many good RBs. Injuries at that position can be deadly if you don't have depth. While two of my RBs have the same bye week, all that means is that I will be playing my RB#2 and RB#4 for one week of the season. Plus if my RBs turn out to be as good as I think, I will have some trade bait.

I have the next 15 or so WRs projected very closesly so I didn't feel I was getting any value picking one of those guys in the 4th. I feel Witten will be the top TE, but I have him projected closely to Gonzo and Winslow so I didn't see much value taking him. As for taking a QB, I feel there are many guys that could be had late with lots of upside. I'm a big believer in the QBBC this year.

had there been a flex option in this lineup it is a great pick....but one you would not have been able to make, because Jacobs would not have made it that far.....the reason he was available and why you think he is a steal is because you can only start 2 RB......I would have taken him over Palmer if we could start 3 RB....

I agree with everything youi say about depth, but just not sure it's the best play in this format.....in fact one could argue that since you HAVE to start 3 WR's in this league, that WR has more value/is more important......

we will never see the fruits of how this draft would have looked come seasons end.....especially on a week to week basis.....I just don't know that getting a bench player in the 4th round is a steal.......


edit to add: heck actually I would have taken him over Welker if we only had to start 2 WR and we had a flex....

Four rounds are in the books. Here are the teams thus far:

Yitbos
RB - LaDainian Tomlinson
WR - Steve Smith
WR - Chad Johnson
WR - Dwayne Bowe

Doowain
RB - Adrian Peterson
RB - Thomas Jones
WR - Andre Johnson
WR - Marques Colston

Wannabe
QB - Tony Romo
RB - Brian Westbrook
RB - Michael Turner
WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh

Dirty Weasel
QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Steven Jackson
RB - Edgerrin James
WR - Torry Holt

FM69
RB - Joseph Addai
RB - Jamal Lewis
RB - Brandon Jacobs
WR - Larry Fitzgerald

Poopdawg
RB - Frank Gore
WR - Terrell Owens
WR - Plaxico Burress
TE - Antonio Gates

MCguidance
RB - Marion Barber
RB - Darren McFadden
WR - Braylon Edwards
TE - Jason Witten

Garlicduck
QB - Tom Brady
RB - Clinton Portis
RB - Earnest Graham
WR - Anquan Boldin

Hooptd
RB - Reggie Bush
RB - Ronnie Brown
WR - Reggie Wayne
WR - Brandon Marshall

Mozzy
QB - Drew Brees
RB - Ryan Grant
RB - Laurence Maroney
WR - Randy Moss

Stinkin Ref
QB - Carson Palmer
RB - Larry Johnson
RB - Maurice Jones-Drew
WR - Wes Welker

Vikingsguy
RB - Marshawn Lynch
RB - Willis McGahee
WR - Roy Williams
WR - Greg Jennings

sorry guys I checked in sat and there was no movement at all in the mock and people were talking about dropping out. went to the lake fishing early yesterday morning, shoulda left a list my bad, I honestly didn't think the thing was going to move.

FYI I would have went Gates or James there but maroney will work....

I'm sure most you won't like the Gonzo pick, but I felt like he was the last of the elite TE's. I feel a big drop off comes after the first four TEs this year.

As for only having 1 WR through 5 rounds of a start 3 league, I just didn't see any value in taking a WR here. Like I said earlier, I have the top 15 WRs left all ranked very closely to each other. I have a good feeling I will be able to get the WR I would have taken here in the next round.

Joseph Addai
Jamal Lewis
Brandon Jacobs

Larry Fitzgerald

Tony Gonzalez

part of the puzzle here is to see how all this goes and maybe gain some insight from other guys....especially with regards to our draft slots....with that said, I think it would be cool for each of us to have post where we talk about our picks and maybe some brief reasoning behind them (after the pick).....for me it is more about why we take someone as opposed to the cheatsheet that says I am supposed to take a guy.....not sure about you guys but I will often deviate from the prescribed pick/strategy and take a guy way early that for some reason I really feel I want on my team this year.....often that means taking him way before his ADP......

not really a "justify your pick" type thing, because I actually hate that when guys do it at the draft, but more of a strategy thing.....which maybe hard to without tipping your hand on your nexts picks, but who knows....

i"ll start in a post below.....