I. PDSL #2 Roster Worksheet

#1) valence

(6) 7.01 Pennington, Chad QB-MIA
(7) 8.16 Orton, Kyle QB-DEN
(8) 14.16 Leftwich, Byron QB-TBB
(9) 1.01 Peterson, Adrian RB-MIN
(5) 2.16 Bush, Reggie RB-NOS
(9) 3.01 Lynch, Marshawn RB-BUF
(8) 19.01 Williams, Cadillac RB-TBB
(5) 5:01 Jackson, Vincent WR-SDC
(4) 6:16 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI
(8) 9:01 Henry, Chris WR-CIN
(7) 10:16 Washington, Nate WR-TEN
(7) 11:01 Walker, Mike WR-JAC
(5) 13:01 Jones, James WR-GBP
(?) 15:01 Harvin, Percy ® FA-WR
(6) 4.16 Winslow, Kellen TE-MIA
(4) 20.16 Rosario, Dante TE-CAR
(4) 16.16 Elam, Jason PK-ATL
(7) 18.16 Hanson, Jason PK-DET
(9) 12.16 BUF-DEF/ST
(7) 17.01 DEN-DEF/ST

2) OldMilwaukee

(5) 4.15 Cutler, Jay QB-CHI
(9) 17.02 Jackson, Tavaris QB-MIN
(6) 20.15 Henne, Chad QB-MIA
(9) 1.02 Jackson, Steven RB-STL
(4) 8.15 Norwood, Jerious RB-ATL
(9) 9.02 Jackson, Fred RB-BUF
(9) 10.15 Bush, Michael RB-OAK
(7) 16.15 Morris, Maurice RB-DET
(9) 1:02 Edwards, Braylon WR-CLE
(9) 2:15 Owens, Terrell WR-BUF
(10) 6:15 Walter, Kevin WR-HOU
(5) 7:02 Hester, Devin WR-CHI
(8) 14:15 Thomas, Devin WR-WAS
(7) 19:02 Williams, Demetrius WR-BAL
(7) 5.02 Carlson, John TE-SEA
(7) 11.02 Heap, Todd TE-BAL
(8) 11.02 Stevens, Jerramy TE-TBB
(7) 15.02 Bironas, Rob PK-TEN
(8) 12.15 TBB-DEF/ST
(6) 13.02 MIA-DEF/ST

3) Ghost of Bill Walsh

(8) 3.03 Brady, Tom QB-NEP
(8) 8.14 Campbell, Jason QB-WAS
(7) 16.14 Culpepper, Dante QB-DET
(7) 1.03 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB-JAC
(9) 4.14 McFadden, Darren RB-OAK
(7) 6.14 White, LenDale RB-TEN
(?) 10.14 McCoy, LeSean ® FA-RB
(7) 14.14 Duckett, T.J. RB-SEA
(8) 17.03 Faulk, Kevin RB-NEP
(4) 2:14 Boldin, Anquan WR-ARI
(8) 5:03 Bryant, Antonio WR-TBB
(5) 7:03 Driver, Donald WR-GBP
(6) 12:14 Jones, Brandon WR-SFO
(9) 13:03 Burton, Keenan WR-STL
(9) 9.03 Shiancoe, Visanthe TE-MIN
(?) 15.03 Pettigrew, Brandon ® FA-TE
(9) 18.14 Dawson, Phil PK-CLE
(9) 20.14 Hauschka, Steven PK-BAL
(7) 11.03 TEN-DEF/ST
(8) 11.03 CIN-DEF/ST

4) Toads

(5) 3.04 Rodgers, Aaron QB-GBP
(9) 9.04 Russell, JaMarcus QB-OAK
(4) 4.13 Stewart, Jonathan RB-CAR
(4) 7.04 Hightower, Tim RB-ARI
(6) 10.13 Choice, Tashard RB-DAL
(10) 14.13 Ware, Danny RB-NYG
(7) 18.13 Jones, Greg RB-JAC
(4) 1.04 Fitzgerald, Larry WR-ARI
(6) 5.14 Gonzales, Anthony WR-IND
(?) 6.13 Crabtree, Michael ® WR-FA
(6) 8.13 Austin, Miles WR-DAL
(5) 12.13 Bennett, Earl WR-CHI
(9) 17.04 Johnson, Steve WR-BUF
(5) 2.13 Gates, Antonio TE-SDC
(?) 15.04 Casey, James ® FA-TE
(?) 20.13 Cook, Jared ® FA-TE
(8) 16.13 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB
(7) 19.04 Mare, Olindo PK-SEA
(7) 11.04 BAL-DEF/ST
(6) 13.04 IND-DEF/ST

5) Team Legacy

(8) 4.12 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN
(9) 9.05 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE
(4) 1.05 Turner, Michael RB-ATL
(8) 10.12 Mendenhall, Rashard RB-PIT
(?) 12.12 Greene, Shonne ® RB-FA
(5) 2.12 Colston, Marques WR-NOS
(8) 3.05 Welker, Wes WR-NEP
(8) 5.05 Moss, Santana WR-WAS
(6) 7.05 Ginn, Ted WR-MIA
(5) 13.05 Nelson, Jordy WR-GBP
(10) 16.12 Manningham, Mario WR-NYG
(6) 18.12 Smith, Jason WR-SFO
(9) 6.12 Miller, Zach TE-OAK
(7) 11.05 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN
(?) 20.05 Royal, Robert FA-TE
(5) 17.05 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI
(5) 14.12 NOS-DEF/ST
(9) 15.05 CLE-DEF/ST
(7) 19.05 DET-DEF/ST

6) Thom Yorke

(5) 2.11 Brees, Drew QB-NOS
(9) 9.06 Rosenfels, Sage QB-MIN
(4) 1.06 Williams, DeAngelo RB-CAR
(5) 4.11 Thomas, Pierre RB-NOS
(?) 8.11 Wells, Chris ® RB-FA
(8) 15.06 Moore, Melwede RB-PIT
(8) 19.06 Morris, Sammy RB-NEP
(9) 5:06 Coles, Lavernaeus WR-NYJ
(7) 6.11 Mason, Derrick WR-BAL
(?) 7.06 Holt, Torry WR-FA
(6) 11.06 Bess, Devone WR-MIA
(7) 16.11 Robinson, Laurent WR-DET
(4) 18.11 Urban, Jerheme WR-ARI
(5) 20.11 Arrington, Adrian WR-NOS
(6) 3.06 Clark, Dallas TE-IND
(7) 10.11 Scheffler, Tony TE-DEN
(5) 14.11 Kaeding, Nate PK-SDC
(8) 17.06 Reed, Jeff PK-PIT
(4) 12.11 PHI-DEF/ST
(5) 13.06 GBP-DEF/ST

7) NoFBinLA

(4) 3.07 Warner, Curt QB-ARI
(7) 9.07 Collins, Kerry QB-TEN
(5) 1.07 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB-SDC
(10) 5.07 Ward, Derrick RB-NYG
(9) 8.10 Lewis, Jamal RB-CLE
(7) 10.10 Jones, Julius RB-SEA
(9) 13.07 Harrison, Jerome RB-CLE
(7) 14.10 Jordan, LaMont RB-DEN
(4) 2.10 Smith, Steve WR-CAR
(9) 4.10 Evans, Lee WR-BUF
(6) 7.07 Morgan, Josh WR-SFO
(7) 12.10 Stokley, Brandon WR-DEN
(8) 15.07 Caldwell, Andre WR-CIN
(4) 17.07 Doucet, Early WR-ARI
(9) 6.10 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ
(7) 19.07 Smith, L.J. TE-BAL
(4) 16.10 Kasay, John PK-CAR
(7) 16.10 Prater, Matt PK-DEN
(9) 11.07 MIN-DEF/ST
(8) 18.10 KCC-DEF/ST

8) Steel Dillo

(4) 4.09 McNabb, Donovan QB-PHI
(7) 8.09 Flacco, Joe QB-BAL
(5) 1.08 Forte, Matt RB-CHI
(7) 6.09 McClain, LeRon RB-BAL
(7) 12.09 Buckhalter, Correll RB-DEN
(9) 14.09 Fargas, Justin RB-OAK
(5) 20.09 Jones, Kevin RB-CHI
(4) 2.09 White, Roddy WR-ATL
(8) 3.08 Bowe, Dwayne WR-KCC
(9) 5.08 Berrian, Bernard WR-MIN
(6) 9.08 Bruce, Issac WR-SFO
(9) 17.08 Schilens, Chaz WR-OAK
(?) 17.08 Burress, Plaxico FA-WR
(4) 19.08 Avant, Jason WR-PHI
(5) 7.08 Shockey, Jeremy TE-NOS
(4) 10.09 Celek, Brent TE-PHI
(5) 15.08 Crosby, Mason PK-GBP
(10) 16.09 Brown, Chris PK-HOU
(10) 11.08 NYG-DEF/ST
(4) 13.08 ATL-DEF/ST

9) TeamRamRod

(4) 5.09 Ryan, Matt QB-ATL
(4) 8.08 Delhomme, Jake QB-CAR
(?) 5.09 Sanchez, Mark ® FA-QB
(7) 1.09 Johnson, Chris RB-TEN
(6) 3.09 Brown, Ronnie RB-MIA
(8) 9.09 Taylor, Fred RB-NEP
(8) 11.09 Mahroney, Lawrence RB-NEP
(4) 14.09 James, Edgerin RB-ARI
(8) 4.08 Holmes, Santonio WR-PIT
(5) 6.08 Chambers, Chris WR-SDC
(7) 7.09 Gage, Justin WR-TEN
(7) 10.08 Johnson, Bryant WR-DET
(8) 15.09 Engram, Bobby WR-KCC
(9) 17.09 Walker, Javon WR-OAK
(8) 2.08 Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC
(5) 13.09 Lee, Donald TE-GBP
(6) 16.08 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA
(8) 12.08 WAS-DEF/ST
(9) 18.08 STL-DEF/ST

10) Domination

(7) 6.07 Hasselbeck, Matt QB-SEA
(?) 11.10 Stafford, Matthew ® QB-FA
(9) 6.07 Clemens, Kellen QB-NYJ
(4) 1.10 Westbrook, Brian RB-PHI
(9) 4.07 Jones, Thomas RB-NYJ
(10) 9.10 Bradshaw, Ahmad RB-NYG
(6) 12.07 Williams, Ricky RB-MIA
(7) 2.07 Marshall, Brandon WR-DEN
(7) 3.10 Houshmanzedeh, T.J. WR-SEA
(8) 5.10 Ward, Hines WR-PIT
(4) 7.10 Curtis, Kevin WR-PHI
(?) 17.10 Britt, Kenny ® FA-WR
(4) 19.10 Douglas, Harry WR-ATL
(?) 20.07 Nicks, Hakeem ® FA-WR
(10) 8.07 Boss, Kevin TE-NYG
(6) 10.07 Davis, Vernon TE-SFO
(6) 15.10 Vinatieri, Adam PK-IND
(10) 18.07 Tynes, Lawrence, PK-NYG
(4) 13.10 ARI-DEF/ST
(10) 14.07 HOU-DEF/ST

11) Frank Black

(6) 2.06 Manning, Peyton QB-IND
(9) 9.11 Bulger, Marc QB-STL
(6) 1.11 Gore, Frank RB-SFO
(6) 3.11 Addai, Joseph RB-IND
(8) 8.06 Benson, Cedric RB-CIN
(9) 14.06 Rhodes, Dominic RB-BUF
(6) 19.11 Hart, Mike RB-IND
(9) 4.06 Cotchery, Jerricho WR-NYJ
(4) 5.11 Jackson, DeSean WR-PHI
(9) 6.06 Avery, Donnie WR-STL
(6) 10.06 Crayton, Patrick WR-DAL
(8) 12.06 Randel El, Antwaan WR-WAS
(9) 17.11 Wade, Bobby WR-MIN
(7) 18.06 Curry, Ronald WR-DET
(5) 20.06 Davis, Rashied WR-CHI
(8) 7.11 Miller, Heath TE-PIT
(7) 11.11 Lewis, MarcedesTE-JAC
(9) 15.11 Longwell, Ryan PK-MIN
(5) 16.06 Hartley, Garrett PK-NOS
(4) 13.11 CAR-DEF/ST

12) Jeff Terfertiller

(10) 5.12 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU
(7) 7.12 Garrard, David QB-JAC
(10) 5.12 Orlovsky, Dan QB-HOU
(8) 1.12 Portis, Clinton RB-WAS
(6) 6.05 Jones, Felix RB-DAL
(8) 10.05 Graham, Ernest RB-TBB
(7) 14.05 Arrington, J.J. RB-DEN
(8) 14.05 Betts, Ladell RB-WAS
(5) 2.05 Jennings, Greg WR-GBP
(7) 3.12 Royal, Eddie WR-DEN
(10) 8.05 Hixon, Domique WR-NYG
(4) 9.12 Jenkins, Michael WR-ATL
(7) 11.12 Northcutt, Dennis WR-JAC
(8) 15.12 Sweed, Limas WR-PIT
(10) 5.12 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU
(6) 5.12 Bennett, Martellus TE-DAL
(8) 13.12 Goskowski, Stephen PK-NEP
(9) 17.12 Brown, Josh PK-STL
(5) 12.05 SDC-DEF/ST
(7) 16.05 SEA-DEF/ST

13) Boston Fred

(8) 5.13 Cassell, Matt QB-KCC
(9) 6.04 Edwards, Trent QB-BUF
(10) 2.04 Slaton, Steve RB-HOU
(8) 4.04 Johnson, Larry RB-KCC
(9) 8.04 Taylor, Chester RB-MIN
(8) 10.04 Charles, Jamaal RB-KCC
(6) 1.13 Wayne, Reggie WR-IND
(8) 3.13 Ocho Cinco, Chad WR-CIN
(7) 7.13 Branch, Deon WR-SEA
(8) 13.13 Clayton, Michael WR-TBB
(7) 14.04 Burleson, Nate WR-SEA
(9) 15.13 Clowney, David WR-NYJ
(9) 18.04 Stuckey, Chansi WR-NYJ
(6) 9.13 Fasano, Anthony TE-MIA
(8) 19.13 Watson, Ben TE-NEP
(8) 20.04 Baker, Chris TE-NEP
(7) 16.04 Scobee, Josh PK-JAC
(9) 17.13 Lindell, Rian PK-BUF
(8) 11.13 NEP-DEF/ST
(5) 12.04 CHI-DEF/ST

14) LHUCKS

(10) 6.03 Manning, Eli QB-NYG
(6) 10.03 Hill, Shaun QB-SFO
(9) 18.03 Anderson, Derek QB-CLE
(7) 3.14 Smith, Kevin RB-DET
(5) 4.03 Grant, Ryan RB-GBP
(8) 5.14 Parker, Willie RB-PIT
(?) 9.14 Brown, Donald ® RB-FA
(?) 20.03 Brown, Andre ® RB-FA
(8) 1.14 Moss, Randy WR-NEP
(7) 7.14 Muhammed, Muhsin WR-TEN
(7) 8.03 Clayton, Mark WR-BAL
(9) 11.14 Rice, Sidney WR-MIN
(5) 12.03 Henderson, Devery WR-NOS
(?) 15.14 Heyward-Bey, Darrius ® FA-WR
(7) 12.03 Obomanu, Ben WR-SEA
(6) 2.03 Witten, Jason TE-DAL
(6) 16.03 Folk, Nick PK-DAL
(8) 17.14 Graham, Shayne PK-CIN
(6) 13.14 SFO-DEF/ST
(9) 14.03 OAK-DEF/ST

15) BassNBrew

(5) 4.02 Rivers, Phillip QB-SDC
(8) 6.02 Roethlisberger, Ben QB-PIT
(6) 1.15 Barber, Marion III RB-DAL
(5) 7.15 Sproles, Darren RB-SDC
(9) 8.02 Washington, Leon RB-NYJ
(5) 14.02 Jackson, Brandon RB-GBP
(7) 2.02 Johnson, Calvin WR-DET
(5) 5.15 Moore, Lance WR-NOS
(8) 9.15 Galloway, Joey WR-NEP
(9) 11.15 Higgins, Johnny Lee WR-OAK
(?) 12.02 Maclin, Jeremy ® WR-FA
(8) 13.15 Bradley, Mark WR-KCC
(9) 19.15 Cribbs, Josh WR-CLE
(8) 20.02 Lewis, Greg WR-NEP
(8) 3.15 Cooley, Chris TE-WAS
(5) 18.02 Miller, Billy TE-NOS
(4) 15.15 Rackers, Neil PK-ARI
(6) 15.15 Nedney, JoePK-SFO
(8) 10.02 PIT-DEF/ST
(7) 16.02 JAC-DEF/ST

16) Jeff Pasquino

(6) 4.16 Romo, Tony QB-DAL
(8) 10.01 McCown, Luke QB-TBB
(10) 2.01 Jacobs, Brandon RB-NYG
(?) 5.16 Moreno, Knowshon ® RB-FA
(7) 9.16 Rice, Ray RB-BAL
(?) 5.16 Jennings, Rashad ® RB-FA
(4) 9.16 Weaver, Leonard RB-SEA
(10) 1.16 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU
(6) 4.01 Williams, Roy WR-DAL
(10) 7.16 Smith, Steve WR-NYG
(6) 8.01 Camarillo, Greg WR-MIA
(5) 15.16 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC
(9) 16.01 Patten, David WR-CLE
(7) 20.01 Gafney, Jabar WR-DEN
(5) 6.01 Olsen, Greg TE-CHI
(9) 14.01 McMichael, Randy TE-STL
(4) 13.16 Akers, David PK-PHI
(9) 17.16 Feely, Jay PK-NYJ
(6) 11.16 DAL-DEF/ST
(9) 12.01 NYJ-DEF/ST

Just my opinion on these teams. Far from over, and its an inexact science, plus its hard to know as Im not in the league which teams are waiting too long on QBs.

thanks for the input.

Re: Moore over Avery - When in doubt grab the guy with the best QB. Since it's best ball I won't need consistancy if I can add depth.

Re: Benson - Been burned and have seen too many people burned by drafting low character guys this early in the year. I strongly considered Benson but the risk wasn't worth a pedestrain performance inflated by a ton of carries at the end of last year. If this was an August draft it might be different, but five months is plenty of time for this guy to end up in the headlines.

"Yeah...I'm not really sure I agree with that"

- Lundburg


A) compare Holmes numbers to Muhammads numbers and what do you find? Yes, I drafted Muhammad 64 picks later. LHUCKS = Genius

B) FWP is the steal of this draft at RB

C) MY WR platoons are disgustingly effective

Won't argue about disgusting as an adject to describe your recent drafts or results.

12) Jeff Terfertiller

5.12 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU
7.12 Garrard, David QB-JAC

1.12 Portis, Clinton RB-WAS
6.05 Jones, Felix RB-DAL
10.05 Graham, Earnest

2.05 Jennings, Greg WR-GBP
3.12 Royal, Eddie WR-DEN
8.05 Hixon, Dominik
9.12 Jenkins, Michael

4.05 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU


Obviously the Cutler news kills Royal, not a big fan of Owen Daniels, plus same bye week as Schaub. Dont like Felix Jones think I would have gone with McClain. Maybe its not as bad as I originally thought when I saw the team.

I little weak at RB but I like the team ok. Thanks for the writeup, Norris. I am one that likes Royal's chances of starting hot with a Marshall suspension looming.

I am quite happy with the way that this team is coming together. My QBs are obviously weak, unless Stafford has a year like Ryan did last year. But aside from that, I think that I have good depth, and upside across my team. Also, if Lynch only got 3 games, I don't think Marshall will get much of a suspension if any.

Keeping track

2.06 Manning, Peyton QB-IND (6)
9.11 Bulger, Marc QB-STL (9)

1.11 Gore, Frank RB-SFO (6)
3.11 Addai, Joseph RB-IND (6)
8.06 Benson, Cedric RB-CIN (8)
14.06 Rhodes, Dominic RB-IND (6)

4.06 Cotchery, Jerricho WR-NYJ (9)
5.11 Jackson, DeSean WR-NYJ (4)
6.06 Avery, Donnie WR-STL (9)
10.06 Crayton, Patrick WR-DAL (6)
12.06 Randle El WR-WASH (8)
17.11 Wade, Bobby WR-MIN (9)
18.06 Curry, Ronald WR-DET (7)

7.11 Miller, Heath TE-PIT (8)
11.11 Lewis, Marcedes TE-JAX (7)

15.11 Longwell, Ryan K-MIN (9)
16.06 Hartley K-NO (5)

13.11 PANTHERS (4)

14) LHUCKS

6.03 Manning, Eli QB-NYG
10.03 Hill, ShaunQB-SF

Meh, I made a decision early I'd go light on QB...IMHO it's only the third most important position in this format.

3.14 Smith, Kevin RB-DET
4.03 Grant, Ryan RB-GBP
5.14 Parker, Willie RB-PIT
9.14 Brown, Ronald RB-ROOK

Completely stoked about this...I would give this group an A

1.14 Moss, Randy WR-NEP
7.14 Muhammed, Muhsin WR-CAR
8.03 Clayton, Mark WR- BAL
11.14 Rice, Sidney WR-MIN
12.03 Henderson, Devery - WR NO

This is coming together very nicely considering I waited on WR#2 until round 7. I count 5 starters...all with upside.

2.03 Witten, Jason TE-DAL

I love locking up a top TE in this format and this year I have Witten in his own tier with the departue of T.O.

I have a hard time with this one because he was unspectacular until Owens got there. On the one hand, I think Owens' departure helps Witten because he should get more targets, especially until Romo gets a feel for Roy Williams. On the other hand, I wonder if Romo is as good as he looked with Owens. Look at Garcia's numbers with and without Owens. Look at his numbers with Owens, and Witten's numbers without Owens.

Most of the top TEs this year have substantial concerns, IMO. Gates probably has the highest downside, but with Jackson emerging, an improved WR corps, and Tomlinson/Sproles both needing their touches, you have to wonder if he's going to get squozen. Gonzalez is getting older and has a new QB. Will the Chiefs continue to build around him? Winslow's change of address may be great news or it may kill his value. I have no idea what to think of him or his team right now.

I definitely think the top tier TEs are better than the bottom tier, but I can't tell by how much because they all have substantial blemishes. And with a lot of good prospects in the bottom tier, I think this might be a good year to wait on TEs unless a real value presents itself.

I think he's clearly in his own tier...historically most of the top TEs are on teams withOUT dominant WRs...TO's departure helps IMHO.

We could be looking at a 100 reception season for Witten.

As you mentioned, all of the other top TEs have concerns...he's in his own tier for these reasons.

"He wasnt anything before TO..." You could easily say that Witten was nothing before Romo, completely irrelevant how he was with a different QB

Really not in love with that Hucks, I think its solid but I think you could have done better. I think Hill will be a backup by week 5 or 6 and Im really not feeling those WRs, I like Rice and Moss but you should of sacrificed a little of that RB depth for a WR. I think your QB and WR depth will kill you.

I agree with you that Witten's got some upside if he takes on some of the work Owens was doing. But the other side of that is that the sporadic Williams is the only other receiver drawing coverage away. Maybe the running game picks up the slack, but I'm still a little skeptical about Choice and Jones - are they really as good as they looked, or were they the beneficiaries of teams being more focused on stopping the pass? I'm kind of leaning towards the rising tide of Owens having lifted a lot of boats in that offense. Now the tide's going the other way, and I'm a little down on just about everyone there with the possible exception of Barber, who just runs so hard I really think it has to be his talent. Similarly, I'm high on Edwards with Owens' arrival in Buffalo, and would be high on Lynch if it weren't for the other issues.

I've got about a million more things to say here, but it's late and I'm tired.

Keeping track so far....

ahh god Jeff didnt you learn from D. Anderson/Kellen Clemens last year not to be cheap with QBs? That is a terrible backup QB

WR4 > QB2.

Barring injury (which no one can predict), WR4 will be "in play" at least 3x due to byes for WR1, WR2 and WR3.

Ideally QB2 is used just once.

Anderson and Clemens both got benched or replaced, so yes that was a trainwreck - but Romo's the QB above all others in Dallas, and Luke M's right now the only real candidate to start in TB.

Granted I'd rather have a better QB2, but I'd rather have the 2 RBs, TE and 4 WRs I took before taking a 2nd QB. At pick 16 you have to gamble at some roster spot, and I chose to pick the one that (ideally) is only going to count one time.

We'll have to agree to disagree on some of this.

No way is Hill losing his job...and my WR depth is better than most IMHO.

15) BassNBrew

4.02 Rivers, Phillip QB-SDC
6.02 Roethlisberger, Ben QB-PIT
1.15 Barber, Marion III RB-DAL
7.15 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC
8.02 Washington, Leon RB-NYJ
2.02 Johnson, Calvin WR-DET
5.15 Moore, Lance WR-NOS
9.15 Galloway, Joey WR-TB
11.15 Higgins, Johney Lee WR-OAK
12.6 Maclin, Jeremy WR-???
3.15 Cooley, Chris TE-WAS
10.2 Pitt D

Maybe to much boom/bust???

Sproles - platooon
Washingtong - platoon
Galloway - bench
Higgins - potential bench
maclin - potential bench


Shotty depth if you ask me.

Pac-10 edumacation

Maybe, maybe not. If you think Sproles and Washington are the more explosive weapons then they're worth the risk. Galloway may be a bust, but someone is going to catch Brady's 40 TDs. Allot half of those to Moss and you still have a lot of production on the table. Brady has always spread the ball around so if Galloway has anything in the tank he;ll post scoreable numbers. NE hasn't shyed away from vets. Higgins finished last year strong, could be bench, could be WR1. Maclin could be D. Jackson or Doucet...total crap shoot.

Certainly not a team I would draft in a standard league, but I don't need to predict the production. In a league this competitive I'd rather have upside then a bunch of McGahee types.

Jeff, you really took Camarillo at 4.01. Is that right?


nm...it looks like your rounds are all screwed up. Thank god. I was about to email Joe to remove you from staff.

How much upside are you expecting with the 14th pick in the draft in Moss? Muhammad's coming off his best year since 2004. But I'll give you the upside for Clayton, Rice and Henderson....since they're usually down and there's nowhere to go but up. Good luck with that group.

That philosophy might make sense in a standard league, but in a best ball format, your QB2 is in play every week. Your WR4 is in play every week, too. The difference is that a weaker WR4 is still able to contribute, while a QB2 with an uncertain job situation might never contribute. That's not to say that McCown isn't viable, and I actually like him a lot in redrafts. But in these leagues, you need guys who contribute. The gap between WR30 and WR 40 is nowhere near as big as the gap between QB20 and QB28 if the QB doesn't have a lock on the job. The difference between WR 58 and PK30 this early in the season is that while WR58 might not start, he at least has a job. The kicker might not. The difference between WR65 and DST33 is that there is no DST33. Those are huge considerations in a survivor league.

Moss was arguably the MVP of fantasy leagues in 2007. Certainly top 5. He has the ability to do that again if Brady's back to 100%.

Sorry, but this doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Of course all of these players are "in play" every week - it's best ball.

I pointed out that Romo had something like 14+ pts in all but 3 starts last year, so that alone would put a QB2 to the bench most of the time, if not in all cases.

A QB2 that doesn't have a job certainly doesn't do anything as he doesn't see the field. The point is that if you believe your QB1 is going to be your scoring QB all but on his bye week, then taking WR4 (which must cover 3 bye weeks of WRs 1-3) is three times as valuable.

As far as the gap between whom I took at WR for my WR4, take a hard look at all the WRs after WR50 that were available. I think the dropoff was pretty steep after WR50-55.

I'll also add that I liked McCown's value with a KW2 and ABryant over S.Hill because I think TB will throw more this year.

I don't see a justifiable candidate at McCown's starting job.

Good stuff here.

Sure there is upside if you expecting another 100-1500-23 season. But that's unreasonable. 90-1300-16 is more likely if things go right. How much better do you really see Moss doing? So really how much upside is there from a top 3 WR?

I'm not sure why you can't consider his 2007 numbers his upside.

This is really a moot point, because I'm not that interested in defending LHUCKS' statement that all of his receivers have "upside", but by arguing that it's unrealistic to EXPECT him to get 100-1500-23, aren't you kind of saying that's his UPSIDE? And even if not, 90-1300-16 is pretty great for a late first rounder. I'd be pretty happy with those numbers from Fitzgerald if I'd taken him in the early first, since it's almost as many fantasy points as he's had each of the last 3 years.

Romo had 14+ in all but three starts last year. He also missed a couple starts. So for about half the year you would have needed your QB2. That's a big deal.

Similarly, the benefit of a WR4 who can cover for not one but three players each of whom might have a down week is pretty important, too. I don't disagree with that one bit.

I don't really agree with the idea that McCown has the starting job locked up, though. He's far from a stud QB. Maybe they pick up a Leftwich or other journeyman. Maybe they draft a rookie. Maybe McCown just stinks up the joint and they go to plan B. He's just not that solid an option. There are a very few QBs who have a solid hold on their positions, and I think it's important to try to get two of them. That's my main criticism of McCown - he's not special, but I agree that he has upside with quality targets to throw to.

And I agree that there's a pretty steep dropoff at WR after WR50-55. The guys that are left are very hit or miss and many of them literally won't contribute to teams at all this season.

I don't think your team is sunk because you "only" have McCown as your QB2, I'm just saying that it sounds like you're underestimating the importance of a QB2 who's playing.

Like the QBs.

I'm not a huge Barber fan and an emergence of Felix Jones could give you 3 RBs in a full blown RBBC as starters.

Your WRs are boom or bust. I'm not always great with WRs until last season. That was perhaps a fluke but it seems to me that Higgins is pobably a waste.

Cooley should help carry you through.

5) Team Legacy

4.12 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN
9.5 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE --- I'm a believer in Palmer's return to Top 5 status.
1.05 Turner, Michael RB-ATL
8.12 McGahee, Willis RB-BAL
10.12 Mendenhall, Rashard RB-PIT
12.12 Green, Shonn RB-rookie ---- For only spending 1 pick in the first 8 rounds, I'm estatic about this group. McGahee in the 8th who is already participating, is my definition of value. A healthy Mendy should challenge FWP out of the gate and if healthy, WILL OUTPERFORM FWP.
2.12 Colston, Marques WR-NOS
3.05 Welker, Wes WR-NEP
5.05 Moss, Santana WR-WAS
7.05 Ginn, Ted WR-MIA --- Secured this group early on and will add a few fliers late.
6.12 Miller, Zach TE-OAK
11.5 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN ---Zach has promising upside and was a major target of Russell's. With Garcia in the mix, not sure what this looks like. Scaife was Collins top target too. Hope these guys provide a good enough combo to exploit the added value on TE receptions.

Of the 11 players on my team, 8 of them are in the AFC. Does anyone try to spread their roster evenly across the AFC/NFC to avoid potential bye week issues?

I didn't like your RBs until you landed Green...would have drafted him instead of Henderson had I not needed WR help.


This is one of the better squads IMHO.

05.13 bostonfred Matt Cassel, QB15, KC
06.04 bostonfred Trent Edwards, QB16, BUF

I really like Edwards' chances to blow up this year. Evans and Owens is an outstanding 1-2 punch at receiver, and with Lynch out, they'll have to throw it. Cassel won't be as good as he was this year, but the team made a pretty solid commitment to him in the offseason and management knows his style well enough that they should be able to put him in a position to win. The team thinks he's better than Thigpen, and we saw his numbers in KC. We saw Cassel's numbers in New England's offense. There's certainly reason for optimism.

02.04 bostonfred Steve Slaton, RB14, HOU
04.04 bostonfred Larry Johnson, RB21, KC(?)
10.04 bostonfred Jamal Charles, RB46, KC
08.04 bostonfred Chester Taylor, RB35, MIN

Slaton was a bargain at 2.4, but I'm not in love with the pick. He's a good all around back and he should be the lead in a RBBC if there is one. Larry Johnson is still very good, and if he's in KC this year, the Cassel/Johnson/Charles connection should score pretty consistently. I don't love having so many Chiefs on my team. If Johnson ends up going elsewhere, this instantly becomes a top notch squad. Taylor was a bargain in the eighth, so I passed on WR depth. I don't regret it.

01.13 bostonfred Reggie Wayne, WR2, INDY
03.13 bostonfred Chad Johnson, WR18, CIN
07.13 bostonfred Deion Branch, WR45, SEA
13.13 bostonfred Michael Clayton, WRxx, TB
14.04 bostonfred Nate Burleson, WRxx, SEA

Wayne and Johnson are about as good a top two as any in the league. Branch looked great during the second half of last year and comes into this season healthy, at least for now. It's hard to get excited about him but he is a potential difference maker when he's in the game. I'm glad to back him up with Burleson, even though both are susbtantial injury risks. Clayton is a guy who had a phenomenal rookie season, then was asked to block more and didn't get as many targets. There's no question he regressed, but he may benefit from the changes in the offense. I like him a lot as a late round flier in redrafts and survivors.

09.13 bostonfred Anthony Fasano, TE16, MIA

Very weak at a high scoring position. Need to shore this up.

11.13 bostonfred New England, D6
12.04 bostonfred Chicago, D9

Two of the top ten defenses. Both are opportunistic defenses with big time TD potential. Both should see teams taking risks against them this year as their offenses improve substantially year over year. Both are also in contention and will be playing in bad weather late in the season, so they should be trying late in the year. The consensus is that New England will spend two early picks on defense, which should be an improvement.

It looks like the rest of my draft is going to be WRs, TEs and kickers, but I've got a couple potential wild card picks if there's value on the board. So 2 QB, 4 RB, 6 WR, 2 TE, 2 K, 2 D, and two more guys.

I'll reserve comments on this squad until the draft is over

Well, keep us posted.

6) Thom Yorke

2.11 Brees, Drew QB-NOS
9.06 Rosenfels, Sage, QB-MIN
1.06 Williams, DeAngelo RB-CAR
4.11 Thomas, Pierre RB-NOS
8.11 Wells, Chris "Beanie" - RB???
5.06 Coles, Lavernaeus WR-NYJ
6.11 Mason, Derrick WR-BAL
7.06 Holt, Torry WR-FA
11.6 Bess, Davone WR -MIA
3.06 Clark, Dallas TE-IND
10.11 Scheffler, Tony TE-DEN
12.11 Philly DT/ST
13.6 Green Bay DT/ST

So far, I'm pleased, though I don't expect that this is a team that many will like.

QB: Chad Pennington, Kyle Orton

RB Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Marshawn Lynch

WR: Vincent Jackson, Steve Breaston, Chris Henry, Nate Washington, Mike Walker, James Jones

TE: Kellen Winslow Jr

D: Buffalo

Oops

7) NoFBinLA

3.07 Warner, Kurt QB-ARI
9.07 Collins, Kerry QB-TEN
Warner has another good season in him, I believe the Oline jelled for him and with those three WRs, he should have a good season. Collins is steady - if not always sure - and should last the season as the Titans QB, so a safe if unspectacular #2.


1.07 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB-SDC
5.07 Ward, Derrick RB-TB
8.10 Lewis, Jamal RB-CLE
10.10 Jones, Julius RB-SEA
13.07 Harrison, Jerome RB-CLE
14.10 Jordan, LaMont RB - DEN

Tomlinson at 7 is a great value - even at last season's production, he was worth the pick and should be better even if Sproles gets more work. Ward will get some good work in Tampa, but God knows who is throwing the ball and if the defenses will respect that arm. Still a solid starter if not a slam dunk. Lewis will be ok, as a 3 and Harrison looked good on occasion so if he supplants Lewis he should be a good value. On the other hand Mangini couldn't put together a run game most of last year...... Jordan is an upside pick - he can run, how much who knows anymore, but he could get a shot at a featured position with the Donkeys, so at 14.10, worth a shot.

2.10 Smith, Steve WR-CAR
4.10 Evans, Lee WR-BUF
7.07 Morgan, Josh WR-SFO
11.07 Stokley, Brandon WR-DEN

If only Evans starts as hot as he did last season and then actually KEEPS it up. TO will cut into production overall (well, catches) but a viable target opposite Evans will have a good overall effect on Evans' numbers. Smith is Smith - he too could use more help but should do well this year. Morgan and Stokely are both guys who could produce - Morgan has upside but no QB worth much and Stokley is always solid but aging. If Marshall is out for several games, Stokley may get even more play.

6.10 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ

Keller is working on his blocking so he might stay in more often. And any QB they throw out there will probably look to him as a crutch.

11.07 MIN-DEF/ST

11 might have been earlier than I should have grabbed a D.

For the fact that I was traveling so much in the first week, not too bad. Depth at Wr is a worry so far and a few injuries or age declines could hurt. On the other hand, I never love the PDSL teams I draft but I finished second in my 'conference' the first year I did one and was in I think the top 5 or so last year so I must be doing something right.

But a few to many picks went right before I was going to grab them (Sproles for example).

Have rejiggered my plan for the last 6 rounds, so we'll see what we see. Looks like some very solid teams in this league, as expected given many of the owners here.

I will probably be talking about this league on my Wednesday show this week as I am likely to be guest free for once. So feel free to call in and rip my team apart. I'll let you know how before the show...

SIX RBs is one of the most....um....unique approaches to these drafts I've seen.

You're SO polite Jeff.

It wasn't intentional and is probably ill advised given the league rules. Now I'll have a few things sacrificed towards the end rather than straight value picking and that's a pain. But it is what it is so we'll see if I can recover the last several rounds.

IIRC I think I've seen 6 RBs in WSL or PDSL before (since 20 picks) but it is a bit unusual.

I think it'll cost you quite a bit, though.

He's still upset about McCown being second string.

Jeff will take a backup QB as his #2 QB every year. You can set your watch by it.