IDrinkyourMilkshake
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Psycho Claire...hot or not?
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
No, I think you are wrong. We are getting it fine, we just don't like where it has headed. You can't blow my mind if you don't offer a coherent script and this script has been all over the place.shader said:
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Let me first say that like (most) everyone else I'm less than thrilled with the flash-sideways components of this season, but we've always had filler or what I like to refer to as the female element of the show - showing relationships and the like. It's not ideal but I'm willing to put up with it for the rest.
What I don't get is the hate for the entire season. Really? Let's see - they've basically answered the following (to at least some degree):
- Where Claire is
- What the numbers are
- Why they were brought to the island
- What happened to the stewardess and those kids
And several more minor ones that I'm sure I'm forgetting. All of these things were things that people were questioning and wanted to know and they've told us. And they still have what, 12 more episodes?
Also, how is it more confusing? Seriously, are you people that stupid? They've done everything they can short of saying "this is a different timeline" to show that it's a different timeline and that things are different. Just ####### accept that even if it's boring. It's not complicated. It's not rocket science. We aren't supposed to figure out the flash-sideways. And I dislike them too but come on.
What I don't get is the hate for the entire season. Really? Let's see - they've basically answered the following (to at least some degree):
- Where Claire is
- What the numbers are
- Why they were brought to the island
- What happened to the stewardess and those kids
And several more minor ones that I'm sure I'm forgetting. All of these things were things that people were questioning and wanted to know and they've told us. And they still have what, 12 more episodes?
Also, how is it more confusing? Seriously, are you people that stupid? They've done everything they can short of saying "this is a different timeline" to show that it's a different timeline and that things are different. Just ####### accept that even if it's boring. It's not complicated. It's not rocket science. We aren't supposed to figure out the flash-sideways. And I dislike them too but come on.
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caabeel
Footballguy
I think what's happening is it's the bottom of the 8th inning and the home crowd is getting anxious. They can't understand certain moves the coach has made to put his team down by a few runs. Why take out his starter earlier in the game when he was still pitching well (IE: Eko)? Why THAT relief pitcher? He sucks (Nikki & Paulo). Why did THAT guy pinch hit (Rose & Bernard)?But as you stated, there have been some good highlights to keep it interesting.I think only when the game is over could those moves make sense. Unless they lose. Then coach got it wrong.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I liked last night's episode. 
What I've found interesting is that we've been talking about Jacob being the champion of free-will, yet he's been the one pulling the strings on God knows how many people to get them to do what he wants. Whereas, notLocke seemingly gives Sawyer a chance to decide what he wants to do. The latter sounds more like free-will to me.
I also found it interesting that Jacob specifically got Hurley and Jack out of the Temple, knowing something bad was going to happen.
What I've found interesting is that we've been talking about Jacob being the champion of free-will, yet he's been the one pulling the strings on God knows how many people to get them to do what he wants. Whereas, notLocke seemingly gives Sawyer a chance to decide what he wants to do. The latter sounds more like free-will to me.
I also found it interesting that Jacob specifically got Hurley and Jack out of the Temple, knowing something bad was going to happen.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
We could use some sort of broken sarcasm meter smiley. That guy writing "sarcasm" in script doesn't really capture the sentiment in my opinion.Also, I hate to disagree with the group here, but IMO domesticated Claire is way hotter than Rousseau-Claire. Even Pregnant Claire was hotter than Rousseau-Claire, and I usually find the preggos to be terribly unsexy.larry_boy_44 said:
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The Noid
Avoid me!
Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
There's a difference between free will and a push imo.Jacob isn't forcing people to act in a certain way. He's also lying to them to convince them to do something that's in his interests. He's using his understanding of their mental makeup and what makes them tick to give them a nudge in the direction he wants them to go.I'm guessing all of these nudges are designed to tell him if the candidates are really the one, and it presents a pretty interesting contrast to how the nemesis is going about it. He promised Sawyer answers, sort of half delivered, flat out lied to ben to manipulate him into killing jacob (hell, he even developed an elaborate multi-decade spanning plan that allowed him to do that), and convinced Claire that Aaron was stolen from her while posing as her dead father.Jacob, on the other hand, is more trusting in human nature. Jack will get to the point where he's supposed to be, but it will happen on his own time when he's ready.We still don't understand the purpose behind their moves, but the contrast is pretty obvious.I liked last night's episode.
Professor S
Footballguy
VERY
We've been led to believe all along that Jacob is the "good guy" - dressed in white, seemingly peaceful. However, Flocke/Smokey certainly seems to be more of a champion of free will, where as Jacob certainly inetervenes and alters people's destiny. I'm still not convinced which one, if either, is truly the "good guy." This will be interesting to play out.As for the flash-sideways, I think we saw some hints that the two alternate timelines are intertwined. The biggest being Jack's appendectomy scar. I realize how complicated the storyline has become, but I have faith that the writers have a plan for this and eventually we will see how his flash-sideways storylines intertwine/relate with the timeline on the island.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I want to know what the Japanese guy said as he was walking away from Hurley.Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Blick
Footballguy
I don't really get your condescending, arrogant rant. Bottom line, it's not living up to its hype (not that I think anyone could have expected it to). I think that is what happens when you take a year between seasons and have every commericial tells us how shocked we are going to be and how many questions they are going to answer.From your list...- I hope that Claire plays some part in the story since they've went out of their way to reintroduce her. If not, who cares where she is.- You think that by putting names next to the numbers explains how they were used by Hurley to win the lottery, boadcast from the tower, showing up in basically every early episode, etc., etc., etc? Personally, I think its a cop out.- We don't know why they were brought to the island...yet- Its kind of cool to see the stewardess and kids, but we have no idea why they were captured in the first place.When you create a show driven on questions, the fan expect answers in the end. Maybe we will get them, maybe we won't.
I suppose it depends on how you think about "free will" but he's letting people make their choices based on false information that he gives them.Ben - regarding jacobClaire - regarding aaronSawyer ? who knows how much of that story is really true.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I thought about this, too. However, the notion that killing people is bad is a pretty universal one. MIB's centuries-long push to kill Jacob, followed by his massacre under the foot, lead me to believe that he's most likely "bad" in the conventional sense.VERY
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
I dunno I really liked last nights episode.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
That entire episode was basically a long-winded way of saying, "Jack's important." And, "If people don't get to the island one way, they'll get there another."
Unlucky lucky Hurley made it to the island until the bomb went off and prevented him from making it to the island despite being on the island, so maybe lucky lucky Hurley can make it to the island without being retroactively prevented from making it to the island. And so on.
The best crap ending most of you can hope for probably involves answers to most of your questions and yet a third alternative timeline beginning. This time it'll probably start with a skinny Hurley bending Libby over an empty crate in the alley behind the lottery office.
Unlucky lucky Hurley made it to the island until the bomb went off and prevented him from making it to the island despite being on the island, so maybe lucky lucky Hurley can make it to the island without being retroactively prevented from making it to the island. And so on.
The best crap ending most of you can hope for probably involves answers to most of your questions and yet a third alternative timeline beginning. This time it'll probably start with a skinny Hurley bending Libby over an empty crate in the alley behind the lottery office.
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Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I'm not necessarily talking about good vs. bad in my post above. More the appearance of free will and pulling strings.Joseph's post above was quite good about a definition of free will and I guess Jacob kind of summed it up last night. "Sometimes you can jump in the back of a cab and tell somebody to do something, and sometimes they have to sit and look at the ocean." I guess my definition of "free will" is something that people do of their own volition, rather than being pushed or guided by seen or unseen forces.I'm not saying that notLocke is being truthful, either, but with the information that he gives people, he's allowing them to make choices that steer them one direction or another.Oh, and crazy Claire isn't nearly as attractive as "normal" Claire. Hell, goth Claire was more attractive than hippy Claire.I thought about this, too. However, the notion that killing people is bad is a pretty universal one. MIB's centuries-long push to kill Jacob, followed by his massacre under the foot, lead me to believe that he's most likely "bad" in the conventional sense.VERY
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Who makes any decision without being pushed or guided by seen or unseen forces? Every decision you make is guided by something. CrossEyed has baby jeebus whispering in his ear, woz follows the voices in his head, Joseph does whatever his wife tells him, and Hurley has a brain tumor that causes him to see dead people. Not much difference, really.I'm not necessarily talking about good vs. bad in my post above. More the appearance of free will and pulling strings.Joseph's post above was quite good about a definition of free will and I guess Jacob kind of summed it up last night. "Sometimes you can jump in the back of a cab and tell somebody to do something, and sometimes they have to sit and look at the ocean."I thought about this, too. However, the notion that killing people is bad is a pretty universal one. MIB's centuries-long push to kill Jacob, followed by his massacre under the foot, lead me to believe that he's most likely "bad" in the conventional sense.VERYWe've been led to believe all along that Jacob is the "good guy" - dressed in white, seemingly peaceful. However, Flocke/Smokey certainly seems to be more of a champion of free will, where as Jacob certainly inetervenes and alters people's destiny. I'm still not convinced which one, if either, is truly the "good guy." This will be interesting to play out.
As for the flash-sideways, I think we saw some hints that the two alternate timelines are intertwined. The biggest being Jack's appendectomy scar. I realize how complicated the storyline has become, but I have faith that the writers have a plan for this and eventually we will see how his flash-sideways storylines intertwine/relate with the timeline on the island.
I guess my definition of "free will" is something that people do of their own volition, rather than being pushed or guided by seen or unseen forces.
I'm not saying that notLocke is being truthful, either, but with the information that he gives people, he's allowing them to make choices that steer them one direction or another.
Oh, and crazy Claire isn't nearly as attractive as "normal" Claire. Hell, goth Claire was more attractive than hippy Claire.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
In the "enhanced" pop up version of last week's episode last night the pop ups were commenting on light and dark, good and evil. But they reversed them in the comment. Something along the lines of the light and dark pieces signify evil and good, wish I had the exact words but noticed it last night.
Anyone else notice that? May not have been a coincidence. I'm not convined of who the "good guys" and "bad guys" are yet. Sure MIB has killed people... but so has Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, etc.
Anyone else notice that? May not have been a coincidence. I'm not convined of who the "good guys" and "bad guys" are yet. Sure MIB has killed people... but so has Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, etc.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Fair enough, makes sense. If this show ends with a close-up of Jack or Hurley and mini-versions of Jacob and notLocke on their shoulders with halo's and pitchforks, I'm gonna be pissed.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
CrazyClaire will be sitting in the sand, passed out from her infection:HaloHurley: "#### her. #### her brains out. Suck her ####, squeeze her buns. You know she wants it."
DevilHurley: "For shame! Hugo, I'm surprised at you!"
HaloHurley: "Aw, don't listen to that jack-off. Look at those gazongas. You'll never get a better chance."
FFA: "What do you think HaloHurley meant when he was telling Hugo what to do to Claire? and why was it HaloHurley instead of DevilHurley? Does this mean 6 more weeks of winter?"
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
True, Kate, Locke, Sawyer and Sayid have killed. They've also been portrayed as flawed and human- it would be a surprise if they turned out to be some supernatural force of good. Same goes for MIB. he may not turn out to be "evil," but it would be very surprising if he/it turns out to be a supernatural force of "good."
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Black Box
Footballguy
This jumped out at me. It is almost as if the results are set/known, but the means to get there are not.
Professor S
Footballguy
Basically every one of our castaway "heroes" is a murderer - they've all killed somebody either prior to crashing on the island, or since. Or in many cases, both.While I agree that as stated above, murder is bad (mmkay?) then which one of our castaways is truly peaceful enough to be a "candidate"?I am operating under the assumption that candidate means a potential replacement for Jacob, or some (for lack of a better description) Skywalker type figure who "brings balance to the force". If that isn't what the "candidate" is then my theory is shot to pieces.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
rolzzBob Sacamano said:
kaa
Footballguy
I'm thinking they need to stop introducing new mysteries and start focusing strictly on delivering answers.
kaa
Footballguy
We still don't know what the numbers are, or why they were brought to the island, or what happened to the kids. And now we have new mysteries like how in the world does a lighthouse have magical powers.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
6 seasons.
same exact formula.
The expectation that suddenly the writers are going to change the formula is pretty bizarre to say the least.
same exact formula.
The expectation that suddenly the writers are going to change the formula is pretty bizarre to say the least.
kaa
Footballguy
The trouble is this TV show is beginning to make fun of itself, or in other words become a parody of itself, through Hurley's observations.Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
"Oh and thanks for the seven years of bad luck by the way."
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IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
Pretty sure it's been like this for the past three seasons.The trouble is this TV show is beginning to make fun of itself, or in other words become a parody of itself, through Hurley's observations.Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
kaa
Footballguy
Jacob offers people advice. He suggests they do something. He doesn't force people to do anything. He offers information, but you are not forced to believe it. The choice is up to the individual. I'm a bit surprised that some people in this thread are actually buying into notLocke's false argument that if someone gives you advice or information, they are taking away your free will.
If Jacob had handcuffed Hurley and Jack and dragged them to the lighthouse, that's interfering with free will.
If Jacob had handcuffed Hurley and Jack and dragged them to the lighthouse, that's interfering with free will.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'd say even further back than that. Hurley's always been the anchor, the fat guy in a cast of impossibly good-looking people, the "normal" guy who keeps the whole thing grounded. It goes back even to the golf game in Season One, which I think he organized, yes?Pretty sure it's been like this for the past three seasons.The trouble is this TV show is beginning to make fun of itself, or in other words become a parody of itself, through Hurley's observations.Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
He also had the greatest kill scene ever. Running over an other with the 70's VW shag van.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Bernard and Rose are "white and black"
Anyone think the losties in 2004 will find a way to meet up with the losties in 2007?
Anyone think the losties in 2004 will find a way to meet up with the losties in 2007?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Also, self-parody doesn't necessarily mean there's anything "wrong" with a show. The O.C. pulled it off brilliantly, for one. Not the greatest show ever obviously, but a good, entertaining show that did clever self-parody pretty much every episode.The trouble is this TV show is beginning to make fun of itself, or in other words become a parody of itself, through Hurley's observations.Whatever you think of last night's episode, or the season so far, there's no denying that Hurley knocked it out of the park last night.I just lied to a samuri.rick6668 said:Jacob is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
kaa
Footballguy
To be honest you sound like the really ugly guy who was also very sensitive about his looks and forever jealous of beautiful people. I'm really not trying to start an argument, I'm just being brutally honest. Carry on.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Also interesting that Claire doesn't see notLocke as Locke, and sees him possibly in his true form, whatever that may be.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
This has probably been discussed but could Adam & Eve = Original Jacob and UnLocke?
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
kaa
Footballguy
Yah well in my entire life, I've never heard one physically attractive person discuss the ugly guy as the "normal" one in relation to everyone else being "too attractive."
packersfan
Footballguy
Me too. But I'm a Jack fan and I think Claire is smoking so I'm easily pleased with the latter. Plus, I like the fact she's now got all kinds of the crazies going on.I liked last night's episode.
I also found it very interesting that Jacob doesn't want Kate involved in whatever he has planned for Jack and Hurley. I also thought Jack's comment about thinking the island could fix him to be interesting. Was that a foreshadowing of him assuming the role of the new Jacob? Plenty of us have speculated on that in the past. And with Locke dead and Sawyer shifting to the dark side (apparently), he seems to be the likely candidate. As far as the flash sideways, I'm not sure what it all means but I doubt they would be introduced at this stage unless the producers intended them to mean something when it's all said and done. So I'm fine being patient and seeing if it all ties together somehow.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
