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This has really been a waste of time. I don't mind hearing opposing opinions on players. That's how we cover all grounds. At some point it's counterproductive when everyone wants to bully each other to think exactly like they do. That's stupid. No way we can watch the same game and all have the same thoughts. It's beyond obvious that he still looks like a rookie. I'm not misinterpreting the numbers. Until there is more data available I won't throw him in the grave I built for him just yet. He does has nice physical tools to hang around in the league. His arm does look much stronger than I seen from his college tape. I don't agree that he'll be a franchise QB. That's all I meant and I'll stand by that. If anything changes, I'll be the first to point it out for sure.jurb26 said:
go Browns
Well I'll defer to your judgement then. You obviously know more than the folks who had to endure the slow torture of Chad Henne and Football Outsiders.This has really been a waste of time. I don't mind hearing opposing opinions on players. That's how we cover all grounds. At some point it's counterproductive when everyone wants to bully each other to think exactly like they do. That's stupid. No way we can watch the same game and all have the same thoughts.It's beyond obvious that he still looks like a rookie. I'm not misinterpreting the numbers. Until there is more data available I won't throw him in the grave I built for him just yet. He does has nice physical tools to hang around in the league. His arm does look much stronger than I seen from his college tape. I don't agree that he'll be a franchise QB. That's all I meant and I'll stand by that. If anything changes, I'll be the first to point it out for sure.jurb26 said:
GL if you all own him in your leagues. I'll be starting most defenses against him while you do
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/10/13/6970505/jaguars-pro-football-focus-blake-bortles-first-positive-grade
In what way did I bash him? His YPA isn't the only factor. It's like you guys are unwilling to acknowledge any criticism of him at all. He's a rookie and playing like it. He has a bright future. Somehow you take my post as a negative when in reality I thought far more of it was positive.
Everyone's got their opinion. Fine. I'm just puzzled how you can arrive at this conclusion. He just threw for 336 yards in his third NFL start. He played with Cecil Shorts, three rookie WRs and a rookie starting at RB. He's got the worst offensive line in the league (which will improve -- how could it NOT?), and he has the poise of a 10-year vet. How can you watch these games and think the future is anything but bright? This isn't Gabbert, who was a guy who was more comfortable throwing passes just beyond the LOS, and who assumed the fetal position at the first sign of a pass rush.ESPN Mike said:
Oh he's playing like a rookie, I can agree with that. But the whole notion that Henne gives them a better chance to win is absurd.jurb26 said:
Oh and one more stat for the Henne vs Bortles argument
PFF adjusted that stat to reflect, drops, throw aways, and spiked balls, and this is the stat they came up with:
Reality. Looked awful until that final drive.
I'm sure he wants a lot of things.
I was thinking more along the lines of an Oline.
I've been pretty clear all along that it's both. Actually, I'd say the oline was much better today than the rest of their games. They ran the ball and he did have a decent pocket at times. He had easily his worst game if the year despite that, though.
I never said he wasn't in for a bright future. I actually stated pretty clearly he WAS. that doesn't mean I have to stop being objective about his performance.
But you are constantly and seemingly shocked/overjoyed that a rookie is making mistakes. That kinda happens.
Good QB? Agree 100%. Fantasy stud or Big Ben/Aikman type? That's the question Im trying to figure out.
How am I shocked or overjoyed? Maybe you are just too sensitive.
The common thread with Aikman and Ben were great defenses. They only had to throw when they had to throw. I don't think you have to worry about JAX having a monster defense anytime soon. And he's got lots of young weapons who will develop.
I've posted in this thread/other Bortles and Jax threads many times, both good and bad. That's what's happens when you simply watch a player and try to be objective. You seem to take everything as bad which leads me to believe you aren't objective, at all.
I really think you'll end up being disappointed in this pick. He just hasn't shown the ability to pick apart a NFL (or college) defense beyond simple one read type of passes.
I wish I were exaggerating, but I'm not. He left a ton of points out there and single handedly kept the browns in the game until the fourth quarter. That looked like Pat Shurmur Browns,
This is true. Clev had no business being in that game.
man handled on both lines, shoelaces was great, shannahan didn't know what to do when the jags stopped the run, Hoyer and his receivers were not on the same page all day. Total domination. Hope it ends up being a positive, I was worried about this game a bit but, damn...
henne really screwed up a pretty good plan
a lot more than the ints, missed several open wrs down field and made way too many suicide passes, most in clean pockets. Only thing he did well was run.
