General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, me neither. There was a time I thought I could do this but I can't anymore and it's not even really close. :(
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Eh, that's why they call it gambling instead of winning
We'll get em next time
otb_lifer
Footballguy
wait 'til this thread bottoms out after the Belmont and i'm posting pick 4s from bullrings like Fonner Park and Canterbury
see the above, maybe i'll start sooner than mid-June, got a bit of a war chest to burn thru here
otb_lifer
Footballguy
interesting ... that would mark roughly 3 months between starts (Haskell is usually first Sunday in August, or thereabout) - who knows, maybe WoW's owner accepts the West challenge and we get a juicy ### plot line for the Belmont
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
makes a ton more sense to notch one outing before the Haskell, which is usually a ridiculously paced affair run over concrete like conditions ... can't see their aim in trying that kinda harrowing gig without a warmup race.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
i'll be down there for the Belmont, my 'capping buddy has a reserved area on the rail ... stop by and have a few coldies if you're planning on attending.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Piffle!now you're on the trolley!I warn'd ya bout the ossification, O!
Zozzled's just round the corner...next to the pettin' pantry...
Keep yous remain'n mazuma safe!
I've always been on.
No gaspers?!
Yeah...tell it to Sweeney.
Regard'n that stamp...Woof! Woof!...but the skee be berries in my mind. Yay!
A Boone?
Oh man - that's a flat tire fer sure, but at least the Jalopy Joe served its purpose.
Rhatz, manacles are bind'n, bub. Good decision.
You slay me.catch ya on the late -
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Piffle!
I've always been on.
No gaspers?!
Yeah...tell it to Sweeney.
Regard'n that stamp...Woof! Woof!...but the skee be berries in my mind. Yay!
A Boone?
Oh man - that's a flat tire fer sure, but at least the Jalopy Joe served its purpose.
Rhatz, manacles are bind'n, bub. Good decision.
You slay me.
slappy!
otb_lifer
Footballguy
cool, just found out yesterday - one of his clients always has a reserved rail area for the big events ... i went a couple years ago on Travers Day, place was jammed and jamming - nice to have that private section full of kegs and grub
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Belmont Week!
ARE WE EXCITED, OR WHAT?!??
we have already had Owendale and Game Winner drop out, and now it appears both Tax and Master Fencer are also in peril of missing - would potentially drop the field to seven
note that Global Campaign, the Peter Pan winner, was not pointed here as per his connections 
we will see the place and show runners, though - Sir Winston made one hell of a late run, but he'd be ill-advised to hang back too far on Saturday. nice lookin' horse, though - good prep outta him.
latest Bris PPs look at some works
WoW will not be breezing prior to.
welcome back, Tacitus
ARE WE EXCITED, OR WHAT?!??
we have already had Owendale and Game Winner drop out, and now it appears both Tax and Master Fencer are also in peril of missing - would potentially drop the field to seven
note that Global Campaign, the Peter Pan winner, was not pointed here as per his connections we will see the place and show runners, though - Sir Winston made one hell of a late run, but he'd be ill-advised to hang back too far on Saturday. nice lookin' horse, though - good prep outta him.latest Bris PPs look at some works
WoW will not be breezing prior to.
welcome back, Tacitus
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
it's the Tapit Olympics!!!
otb_lifer
Footballguy
couple years ago our boy Tapwrit finally paid off at Big Sandy - you were up on him with me waaayyyy back in the February running of the Sam F. Davis that year
took 4 months, but ...Tacitus is set up beautifully here - his race to lose.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
... and he's catching WoW at the right time - i have come around on WoW, think he's a very solid cat, but he did benefit from a golden rail at Pimlico - all credit to Gaf for a brilliant job piloting ... Owendale may actually have run a better race in the final analysis, but got hung out in the 4 path
instead of my usual key-box shtick, i'm leaning Tac on top and then banging the exotics - small field will help economize, and if WoW does peter out we may get a slight case of bingo underneath.
gotta have faith in the animal doing his job - i think he's in such great shape for Saturday - it's worth the stretch.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
... and he's catching WoW at the right time - i have come around on WoW, think he's a very solid cat, but he did benefit from a golden rail at Pimlico - all credit to Gaf for a brilliant job piloting ... Owendale may actually have run a better race in the final analysis, but got hung out in the 4 path
instead of my usual key-box shtick, i'm leaning Tac on top and then banging the exotics - small field will help economize, and if WoW does peter out we may get a slight case of bingo underneath.
gotta have faith in the animal doing his job - i think he's in such great shape for Saturday - it's worth the stretch.
I was thinking the same. I was fairly heavy on Tacitus in the Derby despite the fact that Wood winners rarely fare well there, he was my favorite horse of this crop going into CD, my Vino Rosso for 2019, if you will. I like his unwillingness to lose and the fact that I think the distance will be no issue for him. Will check back Wednesday AM when the field is set and the posts are drawn. Gotta win one motherlovin race this year, no?
otb_lifer
Footballguy
I was thinking the same. I was fairly heavy on Tacitus in the Derby despite the fact that Wood winners rarely fare well there, he was my favorite horse of this crop going into CD, my Vino Rosso for 2019, if you will. I like his unwillingness to lose and the fact that I think the distance will be no issue for him. Will check back Wednesday AM when the field is set and the posts are drawn. Gotta win one motherlovin race this year, no?
good to see ya back, EG!
if the field is indeed whittled down to 7 it'll run $30 to key him over the field for $1 trifecta ... will be bangin' that at least 20x, hoping to get some prices underneath - i'm confident enuff in him right now to take that leap - ergo, straight up win bet, in lieu of the tri spread, is not off the table.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I was thinking about doing exactly this, I was just worried that I was allowing bias to creep in after longshots hitting the board in both the Derby and Preakness. If chalk comes in, that payout is going to be dog ####, but at least you'd likely make much of your bet back.otb_lifer said:
good to see ya back, EG!
if the field is indeed whittled down to 7 it'll run $30 to key him over the field for $1 trifecta ... will be bangin' that at least 20x, hoping to get some prices underneath - i'm confident enuff in him right now to take that leap - ergo, straight up win bet, in lieu of the tri spread, is not off the table.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
very true
if Tac and WoW are 1/2 at the wire, it's gonna take the longest shot on the board to even remotely sniff a three digit payout (i'd guess $50-$60 range if that scenario went down) ... which would be a net loss for the layout - so, gotta hope for WoW to be OTM, and for a clunker to hit that second spot behind Tac ... though i'd also allow that Tac will be most heavily bet horse on top.
hoping he can go off at 2/1 - would pay $6 n' change for the win, which would definitely put me in the straight win bet camp, effectively eschewing the exotic spreads.
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
meh, lookin' like a hard pass atm - Tac will prolly be installed as 2/1 ml favorite, so expect him to be banged down to prolly 6/5, if not lower, come post time - the R.O.I. just isn't plum enough to plunk - still think some juice can be had underneath - but even a cat like Bourbon War (who scores Smiff in the irons) is gonna need a herculian effort to finish, let alone money.
still, i'm a sucker for the allure of the big stakes races, but i'm having a hard time finding significant value here ... both WoW and Tac would have to finish OTM to deliver a yuuuuuuge score - and, while i can see it for the former, i can in no way see it for the latter.
gonna mine the undercard a ton in the upcoming days ... i kinda dig Firenze Fire at welcoming odds in the Met.
still, i'm a sucker for the allure of the big stakes races, but i'm having a hard time finding significant value here ... both WoW and Tac would have to finish OTM to deliver a yuuuuuuge score - and, while i can see it for the former, i can in no way see it for the latter.
gonna mine the undercard a ton in the upcoming days ... i kinda dig Firenze Fire at welcoming odds in the Met.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You and me both, bud. The only way to do it might be to hammer Tacitus up and down the exotics and leave WoW out altogether and just pray - both that WoW takes more significant money from the squares based on name recognition AND that he completely ####s the bed on Saturday.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
cautionary tale here for me about skipping this mutha is my Preakness score - Everfast kicking in sweetened that tri toot sweet - now, would love to say that i 'capped him into my spread, but it was simply a case of hitting ALL for the tri box key wheel with WoW - .50 tri hit returned $2,400 + change ... and, yeah, Country House in the KD, to boot.
depends on the field size as well ... if this is gonna be a 7 horse affair, then, meh - if Tac is on top in that small a field then i can't see a tri paying any more than $80, and if it's him and WoW - half that.
tryna land on anyone else but those 2 is difficult - guess the Peter Pan duo are interesting enuff, but hometown horses are gonna eat a ton of coin underneath, as will the other Pletcher entrant - i mean, ####, if Bourbon War showed anything other than glorified allowance chops at Pimlico i'd be intrigued.
now, Firenze Fire in the Met ... won the Dwyer last year over this track, and also took his last prep here (The Runhappy) nicely (6f) - also owns a win in the Champagne over Big Sandy - undefeated over this course.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
No. 1Joevia30-1
No. 2Everfast12-1
No. 3Master Fencer8-1
No. 4Tax15-1
No. 5Bourbon War12-1
No. 6Spinoff15-1
No. 7Sir Winston12-1
No. 8Intrepid Heart10-1
No. 9War of Will2-1
No. 10Tacitus9-5
No. 2Everfast12-1
No. 3Master Fencer8-1
No. 4Tax15-1
No. 5Bourbon War12-1
No. 6Spinoff15-1
No. 7Sir Winston12-1
No. 8Intrepid Heart10-1
No. 9War of Will2-1
No. 10Tacitus9-5
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Getting ready to brush teeth - Eyes fuzzy - no reading glasses
Nice floss todder
coin floss
Floss
Floss
Peter Pan!
Pan floss!
Flossed - respect
Tri box is the answer.
And, I think the tooth fairy visited me last night.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
again with the "brushabrushabrusha" oral hygiene shtick?Getting ready to brush teeth - Eyes fuzzy - no reading glasses
Nice floss todder
coin floss
Floss
Floss
Pan floss!
Flossed - respect
And, I think the tooth fairy visited me last night.
drill, baby .... drill
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Shtick?
I brush my teef ever day - don't you?
I listening - but still unfinished.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
never, and i repeat - NEVER! call a man on his teef maintenance- and #### floss, biggest scam since the Dewey Decimal system.Shtick?
I brush my teef ever day - don't you?
I listening - but still unfinished.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear
Brace yourself, my dear
...
Don't forget to pack a wife
You're a star-belly sneech - on the beaches - look'n at the peaches.
Where you'll kiss ### or crack
Pot
Pot
Pot
Pot
Pot
Pot
Pot, Pot, Pot, Pot
Pot, Pot, Pot, Pot
Pot, Pot, Pot, Pot
Pot, Pot, Pot, it's a...
Holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul
Pot!
otb_lifer
Footballguy
@Man of Constant Sorrow
YA JUST CAN'T INDISCRIMINATELY LEAVE OUT THE "POL" THAT PRECEDES EACH "POT"
it's a Khmer Rouge showcase, don'tcha kno
YA JUST CAN'T INDISCRIMINATELY LEAVE OUT THE "POL" THAT PRECEDES EACH "POT"
it's a Khmer Rouge showcase, don'tcha kno
otb_lifer
Footballguy
as of this post, ZERO percent chance of rain on Saturday - should be hovering around 80 degrees most of the afternoon - we gon' be fast out there ... well, as fast as tge cuppy surface allows - gotta look deeper at that 1 horse Joevia - his speed should carry them for at least 7f ... that sneaky sum##### just may hang around for a piece ... may
Sir Winston is calling out to me if someone decides to engage Joevia - maybe Smiff guns Bourbon outta there - the blinkers will be OFF for that one (had 'em at Pimlico, tho i don't think it mattered for #### in his performance - he didn't lift a ******* hoof).
if those two can get decent seperation, it's gonna put some others on their engines a tad earlier than expected - so we just may get a nice horse race after all - but i'll be damned if Tac just doesn't look phenomenal here.
Sir Winston is calling out to me if someone decides to engage Joevia - maybe Smiff guns Bourbon outta there - the blinkers will be OFF for that one (had 'em at Pimlico, tho i don't think it mattered for #### in his performance - he didn't lift a ******* hoof).
if those two can get decent seperation, it's gonna put some others on their engines a tad earlier than expected - so we just may get a nice horse race after all - but i'll be damned if Tac just doesn't look phenomenal here.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
pps in case they haven't been posted yet
https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Updated_Free_2019_Belmont_Stakes_past_performances_123
https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Updated_Free_2019_Belmont_Stakes_past_performances_123
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Tac does seem to check off most of the necessities of winning The Belmont. But give the #6 Spinoff a good look, seems like a dry track and a decent trip might put this guy in the mix at 15-1.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Louisiana Derby was the key prep, inasmuch that we had the winners of the first 2 legs here ... really not thrilled about Spinoff getting snagged in the stretch ... WoW and Country House redeemed themselves outta here, but does Spinoff have that "oooooooph" for the 12f? daddy Hard Spun was as game a trier as i can remember, but only won one route - now, in his defense, he was in perhaps the deepest 3 yr old crop ever - but, still ... a very underwhelming 4th in his Belmont effort - conversely, no one in this '19 crop would've come within 5 lengths of him
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Tacitus scoring in The Wood - Joevia, longest shot on the board, hooks up with fellow longshot (41-1) NotThatBrady , they cook the first 7f, then Joevia fades fast - NTB does likewise soon after - now here come Tax and Tac .... Tac is a BIG boy, he inhales Tax, was not gonna let him pass.
Tax may not be as fit this time out, remains to be seen if both him and Master Fencer even hit the starting gate.
Tax may not be as fit this time out, remains to be seen if both him and Master Fencer even hit the starting gate.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Here are my brief thoughts on each horse looking at the PPs. Please disabuse me of any fallacious notions I may be holding.
1 - Joevia - struggling to find a reason for capital allocation except for the fact that longshots that I thought had no business anywhere near the money came close in the Derby and scored in the Preakness. Has been in against these before in the Wood and was a complete non-factor. Led that race early and got absolutely gobbled up by Tax and Tacitus as soon as they were asked. I don't think the added distance benefits him at all. Has fared well against lesser, but my feeling is that he's totally outclassed here.
2 - Everfast - so, here's the problem with handicapping off of PPs. There's nothing in his history that suggests he had any business on the podium in Baltimore, so there's nothing there BUT the Preakness that indicates he'll be a factor here. 94 speed figure in that race is as fast as he's ever run. Yet, there he was, gobbling up horses in the homestretch and actually closed the gap on WoW by 2 1/2 lengths down the stretch. Horse has run 11 races lifetime and against really good competition, is it possible he's just now finding his race? He's rated off the pace before against strong comp and been no factor, where did that stretch run come from? Curious case here. Don't think he can be ignored.
3 - Master Fencer. WTF knows? Don't know how you can really handicap the Asian races (at least I can't) - he was an insta-toss for me in the Derby but showed out nicely, picking horses up late and finishing a solid 7th (6th after DQ.) My instinct is to toss him, but I think there's a chance he can get a piece based on his Derby run.
4 - Tax. Oh, Tax - you baffle me. Ran basically the exact same race as Tacitus in the Wood, they were practically joined at the hip all the way around, Tacitus was just a little better. If I like Tacitus to win, surely I'd like Tax to figure. But then... the Derby. WTF? Sat back, as is his wont, but then made no move whatsoever. After three straight triple digit speed figures, he turns in an 85 in the Derby and was a complete non-factor, finishing 15 back. Did Alvarado pull him up a bit realizing there was no shot or did he ask and the horse simply didn't respond? If he can regain his form, could potentially figure here.
5 - Bourbon War - drew a lot of attention going into the Preakness, but I was off of him. Intriguing history of quality fields he's run against but was never quite good enough in any of them. His two career wins are in a maiden and a 75K claimer - every time he's faced quality fields, he's come up short. Took a giant dump at Pimlico despite getting a decent enough trip, have we seen his best? Might use on bottom of tri/super but nothing more.
6 - Spinoff - reminds me a bit of Bourbon War in that he seems to be getting a bit of hype coming into this race as BW did in the Preakness, but there's not a ton of info out there in his PPs to support it. Another horse who's won maiden and claimers but hasn't won against a quality field, despite placing well in the Louisiana Derby. I don't like how By My Standards was able to reel him in in that race, and as a result, was off him for the Derby. Which was a good thing because his Derby run was fecal. Gobbled up early after being placed 5th to start and just continued to fade. Is this a prime spot for a bounce or is he just outclassed? I think he's in the BW category for me, filler underneath.
7 - Sir Winston - another one that hasn't shown the ability to hang with these yet. Hung in in the Withers and the Tampa Bay Derby and finished respectably while gaining late, but then turned in an absolute stinker in the Bluegrass and fell off my radar entirely. Didn't expect to see him here but after a career best 101 in the Peter Pan, I guess his connections figured he was rounding into form, despite only finishing 2nd. If you toss the Bluegrass, recent history suggests he may be capable of snagging a piece with the added distance. Add him to the "use underneath" group.
8 - Intrepid Heart - hmmmm. Lightly raced horse who won his first two starts and then finished 3rd in the aforementioned Peter Pan, right behind Sir Winston. Notes say he stumbled in that race but he was the pre-race favorite and finished 3rd, you have to believe they were pointing him to Belmont all the way. Speed figures have improved with each race. Can he hang with this class of horses? Is he sitting on a big one? So little to work with here, but this feels like the horse that could sneak in and #### up your exotics if you ignore him. Or finish dead last.
9 - War of Will - not sure how much there is to deep dive here. #### the bed at the Louisiana as a big favorite, but with all the talking I've done about horses above spitting the bit in big races, he rebounded nicely and ran well at CD. I liked him coming into the Preakness off the strength of that effort and he didn't disappoint. Clearly one of the two most talented horses in the field, you either have to use him and endure a #### payout if he finishes or take a stand against.
10 - Tacitus - was my biggest key horse going into the Derby. Coming off of three straight wins where his figures not only kept improving (up to a 103 in the Wood) but he showed a real willingness not to be beaten. I love horses that look like they have that Jordan-esque "you're not beating me" edge to them, and Tacitus has it. Did not get a good trip in the Derby and still showed real mettle, closing in the stretch and ending up 3rd after the DQ. I would have hammered him at Pimlico and I will hammer him here. Most likely winner, IMO.
1 - Joevia - struggling to find a reason for capital allocation except for the fact that longshots that I thought had no business anywhere near the money came close in the Derby and scored in the Preakness. Has been in against these before in the Wood and was a complete non-factor. Led that race early and got absolutely gobbled up by Tax and Tacitus as soon as they were asked. I don't think the added distance benefits him at all. Has fared well against lesser, but my feeling is that he's totally outclassed here.
2 - Everfast - so, here's the problem with handicapping off of PPs. There's nothing in his history that suggests he had any business on the podium in Baltimore, so there's nothing there BUT the Preakness that indicates he'll be a factor here. 94 speed figure in that race is as fast as he's ever run. Yet, there he was, gobbling up horses in the homestretch and actually closed the gap on WoW by 2 1/2 lengths down the stretch. Horse has run 11 races lifetime and against really good competition, is it possible he's just now finding his race? He's rated off the pace before against strong comp and been no factor, where did that stretch run come from? Curious case here. Don't think he can be ignored.
3 - Master Fencer. WTF knows? Don't know how you can really handicap the Asian races (at least I can't) - he was an insta-toss for me in the Derby but showed out nicely, picking horses up late and finishing a solid 7th (6th after DQ.) My instinct is to toss him, but I think there's a chance he can get a piece based on his Derby run.
4 - Tax. Oh, Tax - you baffle me. Ran basically the exact same race as Tacitus in the Wood, they were practically joined at the hip all the way around, Tacitus was just a little better. If I like Tacitus to win, surely I'd like Tax to figure. But then... the Derby. WTF? Sat back, as is his wont, but then made no move whatsoever. After three straight triple digit speed figures, he turns in an 85 in the Derby and was a complete non-factor, finishing 15 back. Did Alvarado pull him up a bit realizing there was no shot or did he ask and the horse simply didn't respond? If he can regain his form, could potentially figure here.
5 - Bourbon War - drew a lot of attention going into the Preakness, but I was off of him. Intriguing history of quality fields he's run against but was never quite good enough in any of them. His two career wins are in a maiden and a 75K claimer - every time he's faced quality fields, he's come up short. Took a giant dump at Pimlico despite getting a decent enough trip, have we seen his best? Might use on bottom of tri/super but nothing more.
6 - Spinoff - reminds me a bit of Bourbon War in that he seems to be getting a bit of hype coming into this race as BW did in the Preakness, but there's not a ton of info out there in his PPs to support it. Another horse who's won maiden and claimers but hasn't won against a quality field, despite placing well in the Louisiana Derby. I don't like how By My Standards was able to reel him in in that race, and as a result, was off him for the Derby. Which was a good thing because his Derby run was fecal. Gobbled up early after being placed 5th to start and just continued to fade. Is this a prime spot for a bounce or is he just outclassed? I think he's in the BW category for me, filler underneath.
7 - Sir Winston - another one that hasn't shown the ability to hang with these yet. Hung in in the Withers and the Tampa Bay Derby and finished respectably while gaining late, but then turned in an absolute stinker in the Bluegrass and fell off my radar entirely. Didn't expect to see him here but after a career best 101 in the Peter Pan, I guess his connections figured he was rounding into form, despite only finishing 2nd. If you toss the Bluegrass, recent history suggests he may be capable of snagging a piece with the added distance. Add him to the "use underneath" group.
8 - Intrepid Heart - hmmmm. Lightly raced horse who won his first two starts and then finished 3rd in the aforementioned Peter Pan, right behind Sir Winston. Notes say he stumbled in that race but he was the pre-race favorite and finished 3rd, you have to believe they were pointing him to Belmont all the way. Speed figures have improved with each race. Can he hang with this class of horses? Is he sitting on a big one? So little to work with here, but this feels like the horse that could sneak in and #### up your exotics if you ignore him. Or finish dead last.
9 - War of Will - not sure how much there is to deep dive here. #### the bed at the Louisiana as a big favorite, but with all the talking I've done about horses above spitting the bit in big races, he rebounded nicely and ran well at CD. I liked him coming into the Preakness off the strength of that effort and he didn't disappoint. Clearly one of the two most talented horses in the field, you either have to use him and endure a #### payout if he finishes or take a stand against.
10 - Tacitus - was my biggest key horse going into the Derby. Coming off of three straight wins where his figures not only kept improving (up to a 103 in the Wood) but he showed a real willingness not to be beaten. I love horses that look like they have that Jordan-esque "you're not beating me" edge to them, and Tacitus has it. Did not get a good trip in the Derby and still showed real mettle, closing in the stretch and ending up 3rd after the DQ. I would have hammered him at Pimlico and I will hammer him here. Most likely winner, IMO.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
great stuff, EG - much obliged
- huge caveats on Tax and Master Fencer being tepid, health wise - want no part of that #### at 12 panels.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
What's the story there? Ill, injured, etc? Bummer, especially on Tax, I really thought he had a chance to surprise at a decent price. Reminds me a bit of WoW coming out of Louisiana - if you can see your way clear to toss his Derby run, he looks like a horse that could hit the board.
great stuff, EG - much obliged
- huge caveats on Tax and Master Fencer being tepid, health wise - want no part of that #### at 12 panels.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Thanks. The MFer link is blocked for me since our IT department decided to block any sites that relate to gambling, tobacco or alcohol.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
how are things at Prager U?Thanks. The MFer link is blocked for me since our IT department decided to block any sites that relate to gambling, tobacco or alcohol.
MFer had a bump while working - stumbled a bit, came out with some inflamation.
both camps are playing these waaaayyyy down, of course - but it's enough for me to toss - i ain't buying them factoring for 12 if they do make it to the gate.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
how are things at Prager U?
MFer had a bump while working - stumbled a bit, came out with some inflamation.
both camps are playing these waaaayyyy down, of course - but it's enough for me to toss - i ain't buying them factoring for 12 if they do make it to the gate.
I'll likely toss MF based on this. I don't know if I can get off Tax though. GD it.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
when you look at the field, Tac and WoW stand out, that's a beaten to death given. so be it.
I'll likely toss MF based on this. I don't know if I can get off Tax though. GD it.
but we've seen much greater horses falter here - i like those two, but i wouldn't call them great by any stretch - most i can muster is "good, might mature to very good"
huge numbers have come out on top here, we all know the history ... so, yeah, i could see a 'capper landing on Tax or MFer for some of that lightning strike - they are solid, if not unspectacular, colts - ergo, it blows to have them even the slightest bit dodgy - and, who knows, they may both be ready to uncork one of those crassic Belmont upsets ... but the doubts linger for me.
if they were both sans question marks? #### yeah, excellent prospects for ATB goodness, no question.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
What are your thoughts on Everfast? Was the Preakness an anomaly or did the light go on? Horse was 1-1-1 in 10 lifetime starts going in - that performance made no sense to me other than to say - these are animals and no one knows WTF is going to happen.