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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (6 Viewers)
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
A particularly poignant section deals with Trump visiting the gravesite of his then-Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly’s son, who was killed in Afghanistan in 2010: … According to sources with knowledge of this visit, Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices. Another stunning section recalls Trump referring to the war dead as “suckers”: “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 Marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed. … Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?” He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies. And another scene: According to eyewitnesses, after a White House briefing given by the then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joe Dunford, Trump turned to aides and said, “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” The author of the piece, Jeffrey Goldberg, quotes people around Trump saying he genuinely does not have regard for people who died for their country, viewing them as having failed — and has even derided or at least not understood their decisions to serve in the first place.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
20 years ago we weren’t in the middle of a pandemic that has infected 9 million Americans and killed 220,000.
20 years ago you could only vote in person on the first Tuesday in November.
skol asylum
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
Should I stand back and stand by? (Not sure what comment you are referring to.)
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Nowhere did I mention anywhere else but the United States. Here, there's been 250,000 dead, with no coherent response or plan from the federal government, choosing instead to leave it up to the individual states, and even then, what few federal guidelines there were got almost immediately undermined by Trump, who was basically chanting for states to open up way too early. Your attempt at a non sequitur has failed. Stay on topic.
And if Trump hadn't taken decisive action there would be millions dead in the USA by now. Its easy to blame the QB, but why is a QB boasting about his leadership in a loss? Last I checked, the USA was top ten in deaths per million.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
If we had an effective pandemic response, keeping up would be considerably easier.Yeah, I can’t keep up.
Max Power
Footballguy
If you look at the contributing factors to COVID deaths, the US ranked near the top in all of those pre-covid.
Putting COVID into nursing homes was also colossally dumb.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Guy who ran a veterans home in MA is charged with criminal neglect . Over 70 died. Damn shame
So why wouldn't the administration take steps to curb the disease knowing this, or even listen to scientists who deal with this stuff for a living?
Do think it's deserving or premature for Trump to be taking a victory lap? Should he be holding rallies?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yep. Hillary was about an 80% favorite too.
A 4% chance that Trump wins both elections is greater than zero I suppose.
Max Power
Footballguy
The science is constantly changing. Coumo said he referred to the science when he put covid into the homes.
I think Trump did fine and everything since is monday morning quarterbacking.
djmich
Footballguy
Your thinking seems flawed.
If you were rolling dice 2x in 2015 with the election odds for 2016 and 2020 known (and lets say "accurate")...then your 4% of rolling "Trump" would make sense.
But we know humans voting and dice rolls are not comparable. Wining in 2016 does not decrease odds of winning in 2020 (if anything I think it would be argued that it is supportive of winning in 2020).
Thats not me predicting a Trump victory, just want to apply logic correctly and illustrating that the 4% thinking is off the mark.
Max Power
Footballguy
I personally don't think covid-19 is as dangerous as we're led to believe. I dont think schools and businesses should be closed over this. That is doing more harm than good imo.
People going to the rallies know the risk and made the same determination. People should be allowed to assemble. Same thing with all the protests or marches. Was the women's march a political statement that endarged lives or was it applauded?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
GREAT Analogy
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/10/high_noon_in_america_will_you_fight_or_hide.html
October 31, 2020
High Noon in America: Will You Fight or Hide?
By Jeffrey Folks
By coincidence, I was watching High Noonthis week, just as polls showed President Trump trailing Biden by 9 to10 pointsnationally. Like the hero of High Noon, the president sometimes seems to be fighting alone. It's high noon in America, and after the election, only one man will be left standing.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, High Noon is the story of Will Kane (Gary Cooper) and his bride, Amy (Grace Kelly), who are married just as the vicious Miller gang returns to town seeking revenge against Kane for sending their leader to prison. Though he is free to leave town, Marshall Kane decides that he must remain until the next day, when the new marshal takes over. A devout Quaker, Amy declares that she will leave her husband if he decides to fight.
Though painful, Will Kane's position is not impossible. His path is clear because he lives by an unwavering code of values. He remains in town to defend his fellow citizens, even the many who don't appreciate his efforts. When everyone abandons him, he faces overwhelming odds — four to one — with only the help of his wife, who returns without his knowledge and saves his life in the shootout.
President Trump faces the same overwhelming odds. The political establishment, the Deep State, practically the entire media, academe, unions, minorities, environmentalists, foreign nations, and special interests of all stripes have piled on, outraged that the president would actually stand up for ordinary Americans. They thought Trump's promise to "drain the swamp" was just words — the usual political rhetoric that would be forgotten as soon as the candidate took office. That's what Joe Biden —" friend of the working man" — has been doing for 47 years. But President Trump is not a typical politician, and the establishment hate him for it because he exposes what they are.
The question is whether the American people will back the president by getting out to vote. In High Noon, a crucial point was that the citizenry of the fictional Hadleyville were too timid and afraid to join in the town's defense. Now is the time to defend America, and the only way to do so is by casting a vote for President Trump.
Believing itself to be so superior, the left now routinely resorts to tactics of suppressing news and opinion, lying, shoving, blocking access, rioting, and other actions of the mob. These are the tactics of the brownshirts and the blackshirts of the 1930s.
Notice that nearly all the verbal abuse, lying, shoving, and rioting comes from the left. Obama's nomination of Sonia Sotomayor did not spark a bitter confirmation hearing or the period of rioting, confrontation of senators, and media barrage that the Kavanaugh hearing did — or the threat to delay the confirmation vote and subsequent boycott of the hearings that the Barrett nomination did. Yet, in the judgement of many, Judge Kavanaugh and Judge Barrett were better qualified and less partisan than Judge Sotomayor. Anyone who has read Sotomayor's autobiography, My Beloved World, knows that she applies an ideological perspective rooted in a sense of youthful victimization. And yet conservatives did not resort to mob tactics in opposing Sotomayor's nomination. In fact, nine Republicans voted to confirm her.
Most Americans, and the Republicans who represent them, cling to the values of an older America in which political differences are resolved by democratic means and in which civility is still possible. They believe in the Golden Rule — how many on the left even know what that is? — and in patriotism, God, and family. They believe that capitalism works, but they are not out to destroy those who don't. They have never accepted the credo "by any means necessary," one that the left has long embraced. They are a different kind of human being than what exists on the left in the coastal cities and the university towns.
Now the left is out to reverse the Trump victory of 2016 and erase the accomplishments of Trump's presidency, which they see as a minor setback on the relentless march toward collectivism. Like the Miller gang, who believe they have a right to terrorize the sheepish citizenry of Hadleyville, the left believes that it has a right to permanent rule — because it is "better," more righteous, and more compassionate than the right. In fact, the left is merely more ruthless, selfish, and power-hungry.
When Will Kane stepped out to face the Miller gang, everyone knew how it must end. The 2020 election offers a similar choice between good and evil. President Trump is running not to enrich himself or his family. He is running not so that his son can earn huge "access" fees while performing no actual labor. The president is not a career politician who wishes to add eight more damaging years to a record of 47 years of failure. He does not seek permanent rule for his party by undermining his successor's administration. He seeks to reduce the burden of government on ordinary Americans and to ensure the freedom of all citizens.
At the end of High Noon, those who abandoned him now gather round and praise Will Kane, but Kane tosses his badge in the dust, and he and Amy ride away in disgust. His neighbors turned their backs on him at the crucial hour, and they've lost his respect.
Today, it's time for Americans to come to the president's aid. Don't abandon this extraordinary president, who has done so much to defend our national culture. The citizens of Hadleyville sat in their houses with drapes pulled and doors locked until the contest was over. Don't hide yourself away during this great presidential contest. Your most important responsibility as a citizen is to vote.
It is high noon in America, and today one champion stands between us and socialism. This time, we can't let our champion down. Don't let President Trump fight this battle alone. Stand by the president who's defending you.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/10/high_noon_in_america_will_you_fight_or_hide.html
October 31, 2020
High Noon in America: Will You Fight or Hide?
By Jeffrey Folks
By coincidence, I was watching High Noonthis week, just as polls showed President Trump trailing Biden by 9 to10 pointsnationally. Like the hero of High Noon, the president sometimes seems to be fighting alone. It's high noon in America, and after the election, only one man will be left standing.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, High Noon is the story of Will Kane (Gary Cooper) and his bride, Amy (Grace Kelly), who are married just as the vicious Miller gang returns to town seeking revenge against Kane for sending their leader to prison. Though he is free to leave town, Marshall Kane decides that he must remain until the next day, when the new marshal takes over. A devout Quaker, Amy declares that she will leave her husband if he decides to fight.
Though painful, Will Kane's position is not impossible. His path is clear because he lives by an unwavering code of values. He remains in town to defend his fellow citizens, even the many who don't appreciate his efforts. When everyone abandons him, he faces overwhelming odds — four to one — with only the help of his wife, who returns without his knowledge and saves his life in the shootout.
President Trump faces the same overwhelming odds. The political establishment, the Deep State, practically the entire media, academe, unions, minorities, environmentalists, foreign nations, and special interests of all stripes have piled on, outraged that the president would actually stand up for ordinary Americans. They thought Trump's promise to "drain the swamp" was just words — the usual political rhetoric that would be forgotten as soon as the candidate took office. That's what Joe Biden —" friend of the working man" — has been doing for 47 years. But President Trump is not a typical politician, and the establishment hate him for it because he exposes what they are.
The question is whether the American people will back the president by getting out to vote. In High Noon, a crucial point was that the citizenry of the fictional Hadleyville were too timid and afraid to join in the town's defense. Now is the time to defend America, and the only way to do so is by casting a vote for President Trump.
Believing itself to be so superior, the left now routinely resorts to tactics of suppressing news and opinion, lying, shoving, blocking access, rioting, and other actions of the mob. These are the tactics of the brownshirts and the blackshirts of the 1930s.
Notice that nearly all the verbal abuse, lying, shoving, and rioting comes from the left. Obama's nomination of Sonia Sotomayor did not spark a bitter confirmation hearing or the period of rioting, confrontation of senators, and media barrage that the Kavanaugh hearing did — or the threat to delay the confirmation vote and subsequent boycott of the hearings that the Barrett nomination did. Yet, in the judgement of many, Judge Kavanaugh and Judge Barrett were better qualified and less partisan than Judge Sotomayor. Anyone who has read Sotomayor's autobiography, My Beloved World, knows that she applies an ideological perspective rooted in a sense of youthful victimization. And yet conservatives did not resort to mob tactics in opposing Sotomayor's nomination. In fact, nine Republicans voted to confirm her.
Most Americans, and the Republicans who represent them, cling to the values of an older America in which political differences are resolved by democratic means and in which civility is still possible. They believe in the Golden Rule — how many on the left even know what that is? — and in patriotism, God, and family. They believe that capitalism works, but they are not out to destroy those who don't. They have never accepted the credo "by any means necessary," one that the left has long embraced. They are a different kind of human being than what exists on the left in the coastal cities and the university towns.
Now the left is out to reverse the Trump victory of 2016 and erase the accomplishments of Trump's presidency, which they see as a minor setback on the relentless march toward collectivism. Like the Miller gang, who believe they have a right to terrorize the sheepish citizenry of Hadleyville, the left believes that it has a right to permanent rule — because it is "better," more righteous, and more compassionate than the right. In fact, the left is merely more ruthless, selfish, and power-hungry.
When Will Kane stepped out to face the Miller gang, everyone knew how it must end. The 2020 election offers a similar choice between good and evil. President Trump is running not to enrich himself or his family. He is running not so that his son can earn huge "access" fees while performing no actual labor. The president is not a career politician who wishes to add eight more damaging years to a record of 47 years of failure. He does not seek permanent rule for his party by undermining his successor's administration. He seeks to reduce the burden of government on ordinary Americans and to ensure the freedom of all citizens.
At the end of High Noon, those who abandoned him now gather round and praise Will Kane, but Kane tosses his badge in the dust, and he and Amy ride away in disgust. His neighbors turned their backs on him at the crucial hour, and they've lost his respect.
Today, it's time for Americans to come to the president's aid. Don't abandon this extraordinary president, who has done so much to defend our national culture. The citizens of Hadleyville sat in their houses with drapes pulled and doors locked until the contest was over. Don't hide yourself away during this great presidential contest. Your most important responsibility as a citizen is to vote.
It is high noon in America, and today one champion stands between us and socialism. This time, we can't let our champion down. Don't let President Trump fight this battle alone. Stand by the president who's defending you.
I think he abdicated all responsibility for the pandemic response, constantly contradicted the science, which is going to change when researching new things, suggested medically unsound practices which he later tried to say was "sarcasm," or "a joke," has mocked and is still mocking people who wear masks, keeps claiming that there will be a vaccine soon, or that we're rounding the corner as cases and deaths are climbing again, and even though he got infected, still hasn't changed his behavior, including holding rallies that have in several cases turned into Covid superspreader events. That's not Monday morning quarterbacking. That's watching a man who is in way over his head flail about.
jamny
Footballguy
As in 2016, I went to the polls today with the intention of leaving the top of the ticket blank. And as in 2016, I left having voted for Trump. I actually closed the folder and started to walk towards the machine before going back to stare at the ballot again and ultimately make the mark. While I think my vote is meaningless here in NYC, I didn't want to be someone that couldn't make a decision. I rationalized that if I was in a swing state, I would have voted for Trump. I'm still torn on my decision though and don't feel particularly happy about it. I hope I don't regret it.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
There's no such thing as MMQB in this situation, because the game isn't over. This utter failure of a response is happening in real time, and it's not getting better any time soon. Now Covid will have an entire winter to get to work.
dkp993
Footballguy
Not that you’re looking for my opinion or affirmation but good job making a decision. I’m not a fan at all of the leave it blank position. Feels like a cop-out to me and every voice needs to be heard. One question, what would make the bolded true?
Max Power
Footballguy
If the historic low flu season continues we will be fine and our children are actually safer.
McBokonon
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Use of mask and social distancing is what’s creating these low numbers for the record, showing once again it works. Just imagine if this was pushed and actually supported from the top how effective these 2 simple things could have been.
In less than a year, Covid has lapped the worst flu season on record by over 4 times, and we're still here watching Trump fail at every turn. Again, the non sequitur has failed. Stay on topic.
jamny
Footballguy
Good question.
I hope I never have an example. My biggest fear is how he would handle a military conflict.
Weebs210
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'll have to crunch the numbers but with my son's ACT score and his current GPA, the state schools will award him a great deal of scholarship. He's also earned 16 credits via AP testing, so I may not need $145K to get him all the way through...unless he wants to go to private school, in which case, I'm hooped.
But it won't matter because Trump is going to win in a landslide and the stock market will explode. I might even be able to retire one day!
Widbil83
Footballguy
Monster crowds lined up for the President in Pennsylvania right now.
https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1322575912450347009?s=21
https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1322575912450347009?s=21
Very poorly. Even his military leaders are afraid of how dangerous he is. Most are endorsing Biden for that reason. It's like giving a loaded gun to a five year old.
So 150 people is a "monster crowd" now? I've seen longer lines at stadium bathrooms at halftime.
Stanford just put out a Covid/Trump-rally analysis report attributing 30,000 new cases and 700 deaths directly to his rallies. Monster crowds dying because of his self-centered narcissism.
Widbil83
Footballguy
People lined up for miles to get into the Trump event in Pennsylvania.
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1322579973778100224?s=21
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1322579973778100224?s=21
shadrap
Footballguy
I wouldn't recommend anyone mortgage their house for any bet (no matter how sure of a thing) if they dont even understand how the math works.
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