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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
And the Pacheco war drum drones louder...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Raiders haven’t been that strong against the run. I actually expected a half decent game. He penalty on that TD didn’t help his cause. Still pretty poor usage, considering - I’m not shocked that he didn’t have the crazy efficiency this time out. Regression was due.
McKinnon looked electric. Wonder why Pacheco got nothing? All game-flow related perhaps.
Billls should be another good test. It’ll be interesting to see if CEH again disappears if they’re playing from behind. Or alternatively, how well he fares against that tough BUF LB/DL corps if it’s close.
McKinnon looked electric. Wonder why Pacheco got nothing? All game-flow related perhaps.
Billls should be another good test. It’ll be interesting to see if CEH again disappears if they’re playing from behind. Or alternatively, how well he fares against that tough BUF LB/DL corps if it’s close.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I dunno - I didn’t see him at all. Did he get a single snap with the offense? Moore was returning punts, too.
They are currently tied for 8th fewest rushing yards allowed and 5th lowest YPC allowed in the league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What were they before this game? Last I’d checked it was double digits. Granted, that was a while ago.
Interesting. McKinnon didn’t seem to have any issue getting chunks.
I don't know how to check for weeks 1-4 but I'd guess not much differently considering they gave up a higher YPC then what they had averaged on the season prior while surrendering almost identical 103 rushing yards allowed. I only looked it up in the first place because I recall a Raider beat writer mentioning prior to the matchup how strong the Raiders run defense had been heading into that game.
More like chunk. He had a 30 yard run on second and 17 and 7/23 the rest of the day. Which was better then CEH fared but not like he was tearing it up on the ground.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not a lot of room this week either.
EBF
Footballguy
40 attempts for Mahomes today. 13 carries for the RBs.
I don't have Clyde in dynasty, but I'm just wondering what his post-Chiefs future might look like. Probably doesn't reemerge as a starter elsewhere? I lean that way, but I'm also curious to see what he might look like on a team that actually wants to use its RBs. When KC drafted him, it felt like the perfect synergy of play style and situation, given the success Reid had with Westbrook and McCoy. It's likely that Clyde isn't in their class as a talent, which would explain the low usage, but it's still surprising how determined they seem to not involve him at all.
If his startup value drops low enough, I may take a punt. Earlier this year I was saying how much the Josh Jacobs situation reminded me of people like Lynch and Thomas Jones when they were prematurely written off. That worked out well. This feels a little more speculative though. As a Chase Edmonds and Myles Gaskin bag holder, Clyde feels more like another flawed gadget player that nobody will trust with the reins. Again though, if the value drops low enough then I might poke around. Really did like his college clips and expected him to be a much more important NFL player than he has been so far.
I don't have Clyde in dynasty, but I'm just wondering what his post-Chiefs future might look like. Probably doesn't reemerge as a starter elsewhere? I lean that way, but I'm also curious to see what he might look like on a team that actually wants to use its RBs. When KC drafted him, it felt like the perfect synergy of play style and situation, given the success Reid had with Westbrook and McCoy. It's likely that Clyde isn't in their class as a talent, which would explain the low usage, but it's still surprising how determined they seem to not involve him at all.
If his startup value drops low enough, I may take a punt. Earlier this year I was saying how much the Josh Jacobs situation reminded me of people like Lynch and Thomas Jones when they were prematurely written off. That worked out well. This feels a little more speculative though. As a Chase Edmonds and Myles Gaskin bag holder, Clyde feels more like another flawed gadget player that nobody will trust with the reins. Again though, if the value drops low enough then I might poke around. Really did like his college clips and expected him to be a much more important NFL player than he has been so far.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Back-to-back woofs. I knew regression was coming. A bit surprised to see that low a floor in back-to-back weeks.
The good news is he's playing and mostly healthy. He's been a luxury for those that bought at RB3 prices.
The good news is he's playing and mostly healthy. He's been a luxury for those that bought at RB3 prices.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not. I called it. His usage just isn’t high enough to sustain a high floor. As I said up thread, he’s been hyper efficient with his touches - it wasn’t at all sustainable. 8-12 touch weeks will lead to some really low floors. Especially the way they use Jet in short yardage, and when playing from behind. And they mix in Pacheco too.
There was a sell window before the Raiders game. It doesn’t get easier against what’s going to be an angry Niners defense.
Ps - agreed he’s been a solid value for his ADP at some points this off-season. He climbed a little at the end.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
It was obvious regression was coming. No one is sustaining top 5 RB with his volume.
I'm not panicking. He's put a lot of my teams in great positions and is a flex player. He's doing the Mike Williams (pre-Herbert). BOOM-BUST. That's not bad when he's in your flex.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly. That’s the long and short of it.
Hey, if you have him as a flex play, that’s probably the ideals scenario. Some pop games. Some duds.
That said, if I had him & had other options next weekend, I’d probably sit him.
EBF
Footballguy
I wouldn't operate under that assumption, given the amount of churn in the NFL.
If it isn't someone bonafide like Jacobs coming in to take the job, it will be some more-talented rookie like Bijan, Gibbs, Tucker, etc.
It's not often that a 7th round sophomore is handed a starting job on a plate.
Not totally unheard of (i.e. Arian Foster), but he'd have to be impressing the staff in a major way. A smattering of touches here and there doesn't indicate that level of internal excitement, but rather the typical backup/JAG/journeyman trajectory you expect from those ultra low draft capital pickups.
dipandglide
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I got what I could out of CEH. He was a bright spot on my underwhelming team early in the season. Now I’m on the Pacheco train. Just dropped CEH for him a couple of minutes ago in my 10 team league with shallow benches. He’s on the bench today but hope he comes in handy in a few weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I rode the train until it ran out of fuel. I could not have asked for from the guy. Plus I have a boatload of Pacheco. Life is good.I got what I could out of CEH. He was a bright spot on my underwhelming team early in the season. Now I’m on the Pacheco train. Just dropped CEH for him a couple of minutes ago in my 10 team league with shallow benches. He’s on the bench today but hope he comes in handy in a few weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Not sure I really have better options with CEH today. There are a couple spots I was going to flex him and I have other options there. But more or less need him at RB in other spots today. He's been involved a lot near the goal line so hoping that stays true today.
I went to pull him out of every lineup and then saw I really had no choice in 2 of them but this did make my 2 CMC vs CEH decisions really easy.
I would not be surprised if no RB steps up today the Chiefs have a new one before they play again in week 9. Can't help but wonder if this is them wanting to see what Pachecho can do in a bigger role before making that decision.
The Frankman
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dipandglide
Footballguy
Why are you taking victory laps? Your horse (Rojo) didn't even start the raceSell sell sell!CEH owners are sitting in the top of the standings in most leagues. Congrats!Not all RBBC's are the same. KC's offense is a juggernaut. Give me the 1a RB in KC's offense at RB3 prices all day long.That game script was perfect storm for CEH. KC got way way up stupid early, and there were a ton of carries to go around.
They still used McKinnon in short yardage all night. They still worked Pacheco in frequently. This is a RBBC, and this is THE PERFECT sell high opportunity.
Those who bought low are reaping the rewards. Stay healthy, Clyde!
RB4 after 4 weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
CEH was never sustaining top-5 RB ROS. He was a sell if you could get meaningful value. Most wouldn't pay anything for him. It's tough to sell when there's no market.
The backfield is one big platoon. I wouldn't feel comfortable starting any of them right now.
dipandglide
Footballguy
You can't start any of these guys unless one gets injured. I'd snap-sell Pacheco for any 2nd.I rode the train until it ran out of fuel. I could not have asked for from the guy. Plus I have a boatload of Pacheco. Life is good.I got what I could out of CEH. He was a bright spot on my underwhelming team early in the season. Now I’m on the Pacheco train. Just dropped CEH for him a couple of minutes ago in my 10 team league with shallow benches. He’s on the bench today but hope he comes in handy in a few weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Next year might be a different story. I’m a hold on Pacheco. Surely CEH isn’t going to get a new contract when he’s off his rookie deal (2025), and McKinnon’s no spring chicken.You can't start any of these guys unless one gets injured. I'd snap-sell Pacheco for any 2nd.I rode the train until it ran out of fuel. I could not have asked for from the guy. Plus I have a boatload of Pacheco. Life is good.I got what I could out of CEH. He was a bright spot on my underwhelming team early in the season. Now I’m on the Pacheco train. Just dropped CEH for him a couple of minutes ago in my 10 team league with shallow benches. He’s on the bench today but hope he comes in handy in a few weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
Playing the long game - I suspect Pacheco will see increased workloads in the not too distant future.’
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
1. No victory lapsWhy are you taking victory laps? Your horse (Rojo) didn't even start the raceSell sell sell!CEH owners are sitting in the top of the standings in most leagues. Congrats!Not all RBBC's are the same. KC's offense is a juggernaut. Give me the 1a RB in KC's offense at RB3 prices all day long.That game script was perfect storm for CEH. KC got way way up stupid early, and there were a ton of carries to go around.
They still used McKinnon in short yardage all night. They still wor
Those who bought low are reaping the rewards. Stay healthy, Clyde!
RB4 after 4 weeks.
Seems like he’s been demoted to the 2. Or maybe even the 2b, depending how McKinnon is deployed.
Today should be interesting. Niners D is legit.
CEH was never sustaining top-5 RB ROS. He was a sell if you could get meaningful value. Most wouldn't pay anything for him. It's tough to sell when there's no market.
The backfield is one big platoon. I wouldn't feel comfortable starting any of them right now.
2 RoJo stopped being “my horse” as the preseason unfolded. He wasn’t even really my horse then - just a glimmer of hope in a miserable chain of events. And I have him on one rebuild team that’s on a mission to go 0-17.
3. The only follow-up was being correct that he was a sell high after his 19 carry game, and that the volume would come crashing down. Facts: he was a sell high & his volume did come crashing down.
I’m wrong enough on these forums - just let me enjoy this brief moment of correctness.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I expected a better floor and didn't see a 3-way RBBC. The entire backfield isn't startable without an injury. I started capitulating the last two weeks and selling where I could for 2nd's. The window for returning any value is probably closed after today.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Did anybody here load up on that great top-heavy RB draft class a few years ago and acquire the 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, and 1.05 to take Edwards-Helaire, Taylor, Swift, Akers, and Dobbins? Lookin pretty good.
ETA: Actually I think Taylor is fine, everybody's just freaking out because every game isn't 20 points. Swift might be fine if he could just be healthy.
ETA: Actually I think Taylor is fine, everybody's just freaking out because every game isn't 20 points. Swift might be fine if he could just be healthy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m actually contemplating putting Pacheco on the block, as I think he may be a sell high at this point
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bizarre. Had
I don’t disagree with this but what would you be looking to get? He is a tough player to value. Team loves him, high powered offense, and he seems to have ascended to their RB1. On the other hand this is a pass first squad, he is not involved in the passing game, and game script could still dictate his usage.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Pacheco
rockaction
Footballguy
Helaireable. Was from the moment he walked into the league.
He's so out of sorts, footballs are hitting him in the face on his routes. Needs a new team and a fresh start, and even then, I don't know if that'll do it. Small and slow, just like I said at the beginning of this thread when people were anointing him King **** of **** Mountain.
He's so out of sorts, footballs are hitting him in the face on his routes. Needs a new team and a fresh start, and even then, I don't know if that'll do it. Small and slow, just like I said at the beginning of this thread when people were anointing him King **** of **** Mountain.
rockaction
Footballguy
Zero touches. That's. . .that's not an RB2. That's not even close.
Pray for his release or wait for injury, because Pacheco and his stompy style has taken over the regular running duties in the backfield here.
Pray for his release or wait for injury, because Pacheco and his stompy style has taken over the regular running duties in the backfield here.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Paychecko
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Did I miss a joke?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m just not sure if he’s special. He’s fast, and he has some power. But he doesn’t seem like a dynamic RB, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him not have a long shelf life past 2022.
Thinking a 2023 2nd would be a price I’d be willing to part with him for. There might be enough buzz to get it, especially from a contender (late pick) and if they need a RB this year.
I might float it & see if anyone nibbles.
ZADO
Footballguy
i see what he`s doing here
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Enlighten me. Is it something money related?
ZADO
Footballguy
thats the way i see it, Pay checko ....meaning pay the man (i could be wrong )
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, kind of dumb since he‘s a rookie, isn’t it?thats the way i see it, Pay checko ....meaning pay the man (i could be wrong )
ZADO
Footballguy
just a play on words , no biggieYeah, kind of dumb since he‘s a rookie, isn’t it?thats the way i see it, Pay checko ....meaning pay the man (i could be wrong )
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You got that right, it isn’t big, but I understand now……I think….just a play on words , no biggieYeah, kind of dumb since he‘s a rookie, isn’t it?thats the way i see it, Pay checko ....meaning pay the man (i could be wrong )
