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***2014 Boston Red Sox Thread*** (1 Viewer)

the moops said:
Jon Lester was coming off two rather mediocre years coming into spring training. They would have been nuts to offer him 6/130 then.

And his new deal blew away Cole Hamels deal. Those deals are hardly comparable.
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They could have had him for 5 years and between 100-110 in spring training. And the mediocre year he was coming off from saw him pitch over 200 innings and go 4-1 in the post season including two lights out starts in the World Series. Do the Sox not value post season play because I'm pretty sure they did when signing Ortiz.

Bottom line is that the Sox valued Lester below what other clubs valued Lester at which is fine but don't kid yourself into thinking they made a sincere effort to sign him over the last couple of weeks. Any hometown discount went out the door when they traded him away so when you make an offer 20M less than two other clubs you are not seriously chasing the player. They have a history of aggressively going after and signing players they want and they also have a history of playing this PR game of just coming up short on players they don't.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
the moops said:
Jon Lester was coming off two rather mediocre years coming into spring training. They would have been nuts to offer him 6/130 then.

And his new deal blew away Cole Hamels deal. Those deals are hardly comparable.
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They could have had him for 5 years and between 100-110 in spring training. And the mediocre year he was coming off from saw him pitch over 200 innings and go 4-1 in the post season including two lights out starts in the World Series. Do the Sox not value post season play because I'm pretty sure they did when signing Ortiz.

Bottom line is that the Sox valued Lester below what other clubs valued Lester at which is fine but don't kid yourself into thinking they made a sincere effort to sign him over the last couple of weeks. Any hometown discount went out the door when they traded him away so when you make an offer 20M less than two other clubs you are not seriously chasing the player. They have a history of aggressively going after and signing players they want and they also have a history of playing this PR game of just coming up short on players they don't.
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A 6 yr AAV 22.5M per is pretty serious coin.

 
Tackling Dummies said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
the moops said:
Jon Lester was coming off two rather mediocre years coming into spring training. They would have been nuts to offer him 6/130 then.

And his new deal blew away Cole Hamels deal. Those deals are hardly comparable.
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They could have had him for 5 years and between 100-110 in spring training. And the mediocre year he was coming off from saw him pitch over 200 innings and go 4-1 in the post season including two lights out starts in the World Series. Do the Sox not value post season play because I'm pretty sure they did when signing Ortiz.

Bottom line is that the Sox valued Lester below what other clubs valued Lester at which is fine but don't kid yourself into thinking they made a sincere effort to sign him over the last couple of weeks. Any hometown discount went out the door when they traded him away so when you make an offer 20M less than two other clubs you are not seriously chasing the player. They have a history of aggressively going after and signing players they want and they also have a history of playing this PR game of just coming up short on players they don't.
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A 6 yr AAV 22.5M per is pretty serious coin.
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and 6 yr AAV 25.M is significantly more

 
Kraft... said:
They F'd up with Lester, handled it wrong last year, live and learn(hopefully) :shrug:
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In the current market, teams will have to get their star talent signed to extensions earlier. The balance of power shifts to the player the closer he gets to free agency. The change in compensation rules also reduces their trade value at the deadline.

Lester did his part by having a career season so good for him. The Sox got a tradeable asset in Cespedes. It's debatable whether this is a better return than the draft pick but we'll never know about the path not traveled.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Tackling Dummies said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
the moops said:
Jon Lester was coming off two rather mediocre years coming into spring training. They would have been nuts to offer him 6/130 then.

And his new deal blew away Cole Hamels deal. Those deals are hardly comparable.
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They could have had him for 5 years and between 100-110 in spring training. And the mediocre year he was coming off from saw him pitch over 200 innings and go 4-1 in the post season including two lights out starts in the World Series. Do the Sox not value post season play because I'm pretty sure they did when signing Ortiz.

Bottom line is that the Sox valued Lester below what other clubs valued Lester at which is fine but don't kid yourself into thinking they made a sincere effort to sign him over the last couple of weeks. Any hometown discount went out the door when they traded him away so when you make an offer 20M less than two other clubs you are not seriously chasing the player. They have a history of aggressively going after and signing players they want and they also have a history of playing this PR game of just coming up short on players they don't.
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A 6 yr AAV 22.5M per is pretty serious coin.
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and 6 yr AAV 25.M is significantly more
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And a 7th season makes the deal a bit heavier too. 22.5 would be on the short list of all time deals for a SP.

 
Boston sports radio has always been bad but not its miserable. Tried to tune into Felger and Mazz for their takes on the recent moves and it is unbearable. They are proceeding as if the Sox are done making moves. I understand it is to create a narrative to drive angry calls etc but it's grating to listen to.

 
Really excited about the Moncada signing.

It could end up being a waste of money but spending 30M (60M) for a 19 year supposedly stud prospect is fine with me. It doesn't look like he has a real position as a 2B/3B in a few years with us but Sandoval could move to 1B etc and you don't worry about that stuff when you can get someone who has a chance to be as good as Moncada might be.

 
@BenBadler: Once it's official, Yoan Moncada immediately becomes Boston's new No. 1 prospect, and the No. 10 prospect in baseball

 
Is Moncada really all that? Is he that much better than other 19 year old prospects? Is he really worth $63 million to start off at A ball? Didn't he play in only 10 games last year? Has he ever faced pitchers on par with Major League stuff?

As others have said, the Sox shelled out $135 million for Moncada and Castillo (based on potential, not MLB track record), yet they wouldn't pay another $20 million to get Lester back?

 
Anarchy99 said:
Is Moncada really all that? Is he that much better than other 19 year old prospects? Is he really worth $63 million to start off at A ball? Didn't he play in only 10 games last year? Has he ever faced pitchers on par with Major League stuff?

As others have said, the Sox shelled out $135 million for Moncada and Castillo (based on potential, not MLB track record), yet they wouldn't pay another $20 million to get Lester back?
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My understanding is that he would've gone first overall in the amateur draft, were he an (edit: American) amateur. He hasn't played much lately and hasn't faced pitchers with MLB stuff, but I'm sure Serie Nacional pitching is far more advanced than random American l high school pitching.

The Red Sox effectively bought a high-first-round talent.

 
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Yep. It's not so much that he is worth more, or better than other 19 year old prospects. It's that because of the draft, those teenagers contracts and signing bonuses are artificially low. There is no doubt that if Bryce Harper was an international free agent a few years ago, he would have fetched a lot more money than Moncada just got.

 
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Annyong said:
Whats the story on Rusney? Is he going to play everyday? Does he have any comps?
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Remember hearing that a comp scenario might be peak Victorino... Maybe hope for something like .270 15HRs 20SBs this year if given adequate playing time. If you go in paying that price you won't to too disappointed if he fails to meet that production and it has some built in gain if he has more power than anticipated.

 
the moops said:
Not good


Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB 13s13 seconds ago
Vazquez to visit Dr James Andrews on Wed. Andrews is the authority on Tommy John surgery. No decision on surgery has been made yet.
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Andrews is the authority on a lot of injuries. And IIRC, positional players do not take as long to recover from Tommy John surgery as pitchers do (if that is indeed the prognosis). I believe the recovery time is half as long, which might allow Vasquez to come back late in the season this year (if he opts to have the surgery). Is the surgery usually mandatory or optional (ie, could things could heal on their own over time with rest and limited use)?

 
FWIW, Wieters had this surgery early last season and is going to start the season on the DL because of it.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Anarchy99 said:
Sox signed Porcello to a four year, $82.5 million extension. Yikes. That's a lot.
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Why would you sweat the value of a contract in a sport that doesn't have a salary cap?
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Maybe because paying someone a poopload of money can backfire when he doesn't perform anywhere close to the contract. Granted the Red Sox have a lot of money to throw around, but I'm sure even they have a budget. Not saying one way or another that this is a bad contract though,

 
Annyong said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
Anarchy99 said:
Sox signed Porcello to a four year, $82.5 million extension. Yikes. That's a lot.
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Why would you sweat the value of a contract in a sport that doesn't have a salary cap?
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Maybe because paying someone a poopload of money can backfire when he doesn't perform anywhere close to the contract. Granted the Red Sox have a lot of money to throw around, but I'm sure even they have a budget. Not saying one way or another that this is a bad contract

though,
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Only 4 years on the deal and he is in his mid-20s. They didn't get a discount on a per year average but based on his numbers last year it was probably what he would command as a free agent. I'm sure the Sox would rather over pay per year than have to offer him 6 years.

 
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