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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread, Presented by YouTubeTV (47 Viewers)
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Saw this on Reddit today about impact of Mavs defense on OKC shooting:
Thunder three point shooting stats:
Regular Season -
"Open Shots" - 10.3 per game on 35.9% shooting
"Wide Open Shots" - 22.5 per game on 40.9% shooting
Round 2
"Open Shots" - 14.6 per game on 24.7% shooting
"Wide Open Shots" - 16.2 per game on 42% shooting.
So they're shooting better on the truly wide open shots they're getting, but they're getting less of them. They're shooting more semi-contested 3s and shooting worse on them. And shooting fewer threes overall.
They could make more of the “open” looks but that’s with a guy within 6 feet of you…some of those open looks Wednesday ended in DJJ blocking the shot on a seven footer still.
Thunder three point shooting stats:
Regular Season -
"Open Shots" - 10.3 per game on 35.9% shooting
"Wide Open Shots" - 22.5 per game on 40.9% shooting
Round 2
"Open Shots" - 14.6 per game on 24.7% shooting
"Wide Open Shots" - 16.2 per game on 42% shooting.
So they're shooting better on the truly wide open shots they're getting, but they're getting less of them. They're shooting more semi-contested 3s and shooting worse on them. And shooting fewer threes overall.
They could make more of the “open” looks but that’s with a guy within 6 feet of you…some of those open looks Wednesday ended in DJJ blocking the shot on a seven footer still.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I’m not sure who is responsible for the defense in Dallas, but they seem to do a really good job of communicating and teaching their players to be in specific positions. Two years ago, they were more ball pressure oriented and really wreaked havoc with smaller defenders. Now they have a lot of bigger defenders who always know exactly where to be around the key and make life difficult for the thunder. They just wall off and/or surround the free throw line where shai wants to get to and operate from and prevent so many drives. It’s interesting in that they seem to be less driven by any specific scheme but really good at figuring out how to position players and get them to consistently be where they are supposed to
identikit
Footballguy
How many blocks did DJJ have?
Instinctive
Footballguy
Idk, he had at least the one on Chet, maybe 1 or 2 by the rim? I think he's probably at like 1.5-2 per game for the playoffs and in this series? Between him and Lively and PJ and Kyrie and Green...the closeouts are just bothering guys. You can tell. Sometimes I wonder who gets the block when like DJJ and PJ are both on it at the rim too. Long arms and athletes everywhere. Outstanding defense overall.
This thread's favorite flopper Lu Dort is airballing 2-3 a game now after shooting like 40% from three in the regular season I think
identikit
Footballguy
DJJ had that one block on Wednesday
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Brunson is determined to shoot the Knicks out of this game.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Who the hell.ever said they like Dort? Even if they did it is probably just shooting luck.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
What the heck was that technical call at the end of the half?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I mean, what else are the Knicks going to do on offense?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I know, but he is usually a little more selective. Really forcing it today.
Deamon
Footballguy
Wow didn't think of this either!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Strained abdominal for Hart? Weird that he keeps rubbing it though.
identikit
Footballguy
Looks like an oblique injury
identikit
Footballguy
ESPN guys think this game is well in hand by the Knicks as of halftime
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think you forgot who the coach is. Lol
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The officiating has been really weird and inconsistent. Sometimes they’re letting them play and guys are getting hacked all over and other times they’re calling ticky tack stuff (McConnell getting that call was silly with other stuff they’re letting go)
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If Thibs ever won a title do you think he would run a few practices between the clinching game and the parade?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Love TJ McConnell. Dude just plays hard and balls out.
identikit
Footballguy
Plays smart too
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Timeout with 3 and 30 minutes left and Thibs still had all his main guys un except Hart (injured) and they have been down 20ish points the entire second half.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, home team has won every game so far with 3 straight blowouts. Pattern would say Knicks big on Sunday. But short turnaround time and Hart seeming questionable could make this pretty tough on the Knicks.
Should be fun.
Should be fun.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Haliburton reminds me of more athletic, but worse shooting young Steve Nash. I am not sure if he will ever reach prime Nash, but still really good.
Capella
Footballguy
It’s insane. He should be using this as an opportunity!
I don’t think he’s more athletic.
the moops
Footballguy
Or worse shooting
Deamon
Footballguy
Well there goes that. Game will start at like 2am here
F the Knicks. Go Pacers.
Instinctive
Footballguy
We dont talk about officiating here
identikit
Footballguy
identikit
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Deamon
Footballguy
No idea. I'm sure they will, just not sure if the bars will stay open late for it. Game is 2am-5am.
Have heard a lot of people talking about it (aka saying his name, which is all I could understand haha). Djokovic seems far more popular here. He's on t-shirts, murals, signs, etc. Surprised he's not on their money haha.
I'll see what the vibe is like at tip off and if it seems wild out, with people watching everywhere, I'll join. Will keep ya posted haha. 930pm start would have been perfect.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Nash was an elite shooter, Haliburton is average to slightly above. I kind of put their athletic ability and defense together. Nash was one if the worst defenders in the league.
Major
Footballguy
A real student of the game. For what he lacks in physical tools he more than makes up for in effort and heart.
Major
Footballguy
No idea. I'm sure they will, just not sure if the bars will stay open late for it. Game is 2am-5am.
Have heard a lot of people talking about it (aka saying his name, which is all I could understand haha). Djokovic seems far more popular here. He's on t-shirts, murals, signs, etc. Surprised he's not on their money haha.
I'll see what the vibe is like at tip off and if it seems wild out, with people watching everywhere, I'll join. Will keep ya posted haha. 930pm start would have been perfect.
Sundays are generally really quiet across Europe. I think you're going to have to do some work to find a bar open playing the game and if you do, I imagine it will have a bunch of Serbian basketball fanatics which would be fun.
On a related note, looks like I'll be bar watching the Game 7s. Still no electricity for me here in Houston after the Thursday storms. Really hate watching important games in bars but I heard this Twin Peaks place has a nice ambience.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That place might get really rowdy if they lose though.
Haliburton has generally been an excellent (maybe not as good as Nash) shooter. But Haliburton is also terrible on defense.
the moops
Footballguy
Absolutely atrocious on defense. There is definitely an argument that he is as good of a shooter as Nash, mostly because he takes nearly twice as many threes as Nash did. The slightly lower 3P% is probably because of the more difficult shots Haliburton is taking
Deamon
Footballguy
Souvenir shops everywhere here selling magnets, check out the ones this place had, wtf?
I bought this one lol
I bought this one lol
the moops
Footballguy
lolol
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I just see Haliburton as below average. I remember Nash being the worst in the league. All good.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Nash’s True Shooting Percentage (TSP) was .605. Haliburton’s is .604.
Tyrese averages more assists per game than Nash did, more rebounds per game, half a block more per game, and less turnovers per game. He averages more points per game. He has a higher PER (20.3 versus 20.0).
Nash’s effective FG percentage (which takes into account 3 pointers being worth more points than 2 pointers) was .556. Haliburton is .572.
Most of the stats seems to indicate that they’re pretty similar shooters/offensive producers.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That is what I am saying, but pretty much everyone's career averages go down at the end of their career. We are comparing Haliburton's averages without that back end. So I give the slight edge to Nash.
We’re also in the basketball equivalent of the steroid era in terms of inflated offensive statistics.
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