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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Lakers blame refs for blowing 20-point lead (13 Viewers)
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
I like Monk but had the same thought.
Capella
Footballguy
They have the cap room and assets but who do you shake free? Free agency class isn’t very good.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Trae Young.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea that’s the talk of Magic Reddit, but would Atlanta deal him to a division opponent? I guess if they make the best offer they may.
Love Monk but a serious team that significantly outbids the Kings and is relying on him to start won’t love the contract. He’s a high variance player and 30% of the time he just doesn’t have it on either end. Thats no problem when he’s coming off the bench but as a starter that will cost you games.
That said I’d rather pay Monk than trade four firsts for Young or whatever he will cost.
That said I’d rather pay Monk than trade four firsts for Young or whatever he will cost.
the moops
Footballguy
Steph Curry would be a great fit
Mister CIA
Footballguy
As far as possible Trae Young offers go, I don't think anyone can even come close to the Spurs since they already own the Hawks 2025 and 2027 firsts, plus a 2026 swap. Napkin math says that is approximately three 10th overall picks with a about a 15% chance of one landing in the top 5 for SA. But if Atlanta deals Young, those picks probably settle in around top-5ish (and dealing Murray too will make it so) and the tank is on for what is supposed to be a bumper crop of rookies (Cooper Flagg, AJ Dybansta, Cameron Boozer, and so on). The Spurs throw in Keldon Johnson and Zach Collins (pleeeease) to make salaries match, and there's the deal no one can come close too.
The Spurs then throw some free agent dollars at Tobias Harris and the Spurs roll next season and they still have all their own picks, a fake Charlotte 1st (top 14 protected), Raptors #1 (top 6 protected this draft, plus '25 and '26 if it does not convey sooner), a Bull's top 10 protected in '25 (top 8 protected in '26 and '27). They also own 1st round swaps with Boston in '28 and Dallas in '30, and approximately 42 2nd round picks over the same span.
The future is so bright. I gotta get some shades.
Back to Trae Young and Atlanta. The Hawks are on the treadmill of low-grade mediocrity with their current roster and NO picks. Unless they are content collecting rent for the next five years with little prospect of improving (and maybe they are), they will have to make deals. Of course they can try to thread the needle with a soft rebuild and deal Murray, but they are 0 for 1 on that front, so far.
The Spurs then throw some free agent dollars at Tobias Harris and the Spurs roll next season and they still have all their own picks, a fake Charlotte 1st (top 14 protected), Raptors #1 (top 6 protected this draft, plus '25 and '26 if it does not convey sooner), a Bull's top 10 protected in '25 (top 8 protected in '26 and '27). They also own 1st round swaps with Boston in '28 and Dallas in '30, and approximately 42 2nd round picks over the same span.
The future is so bright. I gotta get some shades.
Back to Trae Young and Atlanta. The Hawks are on the treadmill of low-grade mediocrity with their current roster and NO picks. Unless they are content collecting rent for the next five years with little prospect of improving (and maybe they are), they will have to make deals. Of course they can try to thread the needle with a soft rebuild and deal Murray, but they are 0 for 1 on that front, so far.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Maybe it is, but as mentioned there's not much coming down the free agency pike. I'm thinking something along the lines of 2 years at $50M and hopefully Sochan figures it all out in the meantime.
Major
Footballguy
It could happen. April 4th will be judgement day. This new lineup is causing a lot of matchup problems with Amen cosplaying as a floating big and Jalen playing the best ball of his life. Also love the defensive mindset that Udoka has instilled in this young core. He really is a great coach. If they can find consistent shooting, they'll be a problem for years to come.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Trading for Trae Young seems like bad plan. Especially if he would cost 3+ first round picks.
Moe.
Footballguy
As noted above, the Thunder have a tough stretch of schedule coming with a bunch of road games and 2 B2Bs. If they can go 7-6 or better I think they’ll hang on at 2, which is a great spot. Phoenix is the team I’d pick to play in the first round over everyone else, and the Lakers/Mavs they want to avoid. Last game of the season is against the Mavs, hopefully the Thunder are locked in at 2 and if the Mavs need that game to get to 6 they’ll have it. If we could lock-in 7-10 right as they are now that would be great for the Thunder at the 2 seed.
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Anarchy99
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Brown, Porzingis, Holiday out. Tatum and Horford questionable.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Warriors remaining schedule looks pretty rough too, so there’s definitely a chance to catch them.
I’m usually right when I post opinions in this thread but rarely is it so validated on the very same day.
Kev4029
Footballguy
He missed fewer shots than alleged best player on the team, De'Aaron Fox.
It’s a good thing they have MVP candidate Keon Ellis, that’s for sure.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Wolves have 8 home and 4 away left (although 2 of those away games are Denver). I'm not quie ready to rule them out of the 1 or 2 seed.
Kev4029
Footballguy
They are something like +1000 to win the division/get the #1 seed.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I'm not saying it's likely, but it's a good schedule. I've pretty much accepted they'll be the #3, and I'm watching the Pelicans in the standings praying they get #5.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
are there any odds on the 2 seed? I would say that the Thunder have a tougher schedule than the wolves, though they are obviously better when taking health into account
Kev4029
Footballguy
Not sure, but I agree that it is very possible that OKC could see a bit of a slide. Their schedule is brutal.
Major
Footballguy
1.5 back of GS
While Jalen has been getting the headlines with his amazing play, Amen has been the key to a lot of his success helping space the floor and freeing him up. Good to see Amen get major minutes after being hurt the first half of the season. They're both fun to watch.
the moops
Footballguy
How is Amen spacing the floor? The guy is probably the worst shooter in the league (15% from three)
1.5 back of GS
While Jalen has been getting the headlines with his amazing play, Amen has been the key to a lot of his success helping space the floor and freeing him up. Good to see Amen get major minutes after being hurt the first half of the season. They're both fun to watch.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Was wondering the exact same thing, though maybe his ability to attack the rim has a certain gravity to help the spacingHow is Amen spacing the floor? The guy is probably the worst shooter in the league (15% from three)
1.5 back of GS
While Jalen has been getting the headlines with his amazing play, Amen has been the key to a lot of his success helping space the floor and freeing him up. Good to see Amen get major minutes after being hurt the first half of the season. They're both fun to watch.
Major
Footballguy
Was wondering the exact same thing, though maybe his ability to attack the rim has a certain gravity to help the spacingHow is Amen spacing the floor? The guy is probably the worst shooter in the league (15% from three)
1.5 back of GS
While Jalen has been getting the headlines with his amazing play, Amen has been the key to a lot of his success helping space the floor and freeing him up. Good to see Amen get major minutes after being hurt the first half of the season. They're both fun to watch.
I'd argue spacing isn't just about 3s. I'm sure stat geeks will tell me differently but I'm going with my eyes. He's constantly roaming the baseline, cutting and a beast with all the alley hoops and back door plays.
Zow
Footballguy
I almost put some money on the wolves to win the one seed but the injuries and Denver’s great play just gave me too much pause.
Selfishly, I want them to play Phoenix so I can go to a game, but I really hope they get Sacramento or New Orleans.
Zow
Footballguy
They are, but I think Minnesota matches up really well defensively.
the moops
Footballguy
Heard an unbelievable stat about Tobias Harris. In his 6 years with Philly, over 14,000 combined minutes (regular season + playoffs) this dude has not taken one charge in that time. Not one offensive foul. Zero. How is that even possible?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Harris kind of sucks, I wouldn't touch him. He'd be a fine player for them, but he doesn't contribute to winning as much as he just doesn't tank winning. They would be way better off just drafting and developing guys or finding some "second draft" guys to take a swing at. I would rather look for somebody like Patrick Williams - he's still a plus athlete, he can hit open jumpers, and at least looks the part. Maybe he hits, but even if he doesn't, he's an eighth man or something at his current level.
Ultimately, they just need a real PG, even if a stop gap for a year or two. Somebody like the elder Jones or Monte Morris.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Just not physical at all. He is ok as a guy to kind of take up space and move a little on D, but other than that, not a lot. And he rarely is able to be an offensive engine even though that should theoretically be what he is good at. He seems like a really good guy and has worked on his individual game a lot over his career but just doesn’t really help a good team win very much
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I think that would be dangerous because they have a lot of guys to throw at you but I think that their point differential has a lot to do with their depth and their high end talent won’t be able to carry them so well in the playoffs when that matters a lot more. Still not enough spacing and I think teams can do ok against their offense when they can lock in.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Love to see the Pelicans talk. Scared me when B.I. went down the other night. It looked bad, but so far, sounding like he'll just be out a couple weeks. But even without him, we are a handful. I am here for it. We can win a first round series easily. When we are on, we can play with anybody in the league. Lack of playoff experience will probably cost us, but you have to get there to gain experience, so we are trending in the right direction.Zion is playing like a man possessed. And has greatly improved his defense.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Full strength bucks going up against the Thunder. Nice matchup
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think Ingram may be the biggest Ewing Theory player in the NBA. I don't think they'll miss him even a bit.
Zion is playing like a man possessed. And has greatly improved his defense.
Major
Footballguy
Zion is playing like a man possessed. And has greatly improved his defense.
I'm glad Zion is taking the game seriously again, staying healthy and performing up to his potential. Pre Draft he seemed like the surest thing since Lebron so it was tough to watch him half *** it.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
First wire to wire sixers win without Embiid this year.
I don’t know about a lack of high end talent; Zion has the potential to be the best player on the court in a series with the Wolves.
Major
Footballguy
Wow. Green bringing back memories of Spree going off on Carlesimo. Hope the chaos continues. Rockets now only a game back.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am starting to think Myers left because of Green and the aging Warriors. I think he wanted to let Green walk, trade Klay and maybe Wiggins. Have a little reset and be ready for 2025 and was over ruled. Looks like he was correct.
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