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Oh, boy. I knew I should never have done it, especially from a place called Auto Overload. Here was their Top 30 list.

30 - Joe Namath
29 - Cam Newton
28 - Matt Ryan
27 - Bart Starr
26 - Jim Plunkett
25 - Ken Stabler
24 - Phillip Rivers
23 - Len Dawson
22 - Sonny Jurgenson
21 - Dan Fouts
20 - Warren Moon
19 - Terry Bradshaw
18 - Jim Kelly
17 - Russell Wilson
16 - Ben Roethlisberger
15 - Steve Young
14 - Roger Staubach
13 - Johnny Unitas
12 - Fran Tarkenton
11 - Otto Graham
10 - Drew Brees
09 - Aaron Rodgers
08 - Brett Favre
07 - Eli Manning
06 - Troy Aikman
05 - Dan Marino
04 - Joe Montana
03 - Peyton Manning
02 - Tom Brady
01 - John Elway

That's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.
 
The longer the game goes the more difficult it is to ever do a list like this and have people come to any kind of agreement. Hard just in general to compare era's but really how can anyone 50 or under really grasp most of the pre-mid 70's QB's? Or anyone under 30 pre-mid 90's? We can look up stats, wins, championships but I don't think that really is the same thing.

Which gets me to another subject. I have wished for years the NFLN would air entire seasons during the long off-season. Like dedicate a week or two for something like the 1960 season. Start with week one and each day show 1-2 of the major games from that week to really give us a feel for that era. I'd watch, but I might be one of the few which is why they never do it.
 
Which gets me to another subject. I have wished for years the NFLN would air entire seasons during the long off-season. Like dedicate a week or two for something like the 1960 season. Start with week one and each day show 1-2 of the major games from that week to really give us a feel for that era. I'd watch, but I might be one of the few which is why they never do it.
I love this idea. I could finally see what a win ing season from the Raiders looks like.

You should pitch it to NFL Network.
 
Oh, boy. I knew I should never have done it, especially from a place called Auto Overload. Here was their Top 30 list.

30 - Joe Namath - LOL, doesn't he lead the world in INTs? If not for SB3 he wouldn't be a HOFer
29 - Cam Newton - Are you kidding me?
28 - Matt Ryan - Oh God, please
27 - Bart Starr
26 - Jim Plunkett - NO
25 - Ken Stabler - Not even a HOFer, but I liked him, he was cool
24 - Phillip Rivers
23 - Len Dawson - Sorry, but NO!
22 - Sonny Jurgenson
21 - Dan Fouts
20 - Warren Moon
19 - Terry Bradshaw
18 - Jim Kelly
17 - Russell Wilson - OMG, get outta here
16 - Ben Roethlisberger
15 - Steve Young
14 - Roger Staubach
13 - Johnny Unitas - He invented the two minute drill and was the first to 40k YARDS. He's top 10 for sure. You have Aikman in the top 5, is that homer? What a joke.
12 - Fran Tarkenton
11 - Otto Graham
10 - Drew Brees
09 - Aaron Rodgers
08 - Brett Favre
07 - Eli Manning
06 - Troy Aikman - Doesn't belong in the top 20 or 30. Product of the team.
05 - Dan Marino
04 - Joe Montana
03 - Peyton Manning
02 - Tom Brady - How in the hell isn't he #1? .....and I'm a f-ing Colts fan.
01 - John Elway

That's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.----------You got that right in my best Minnesotan voice
 
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I know he played a big role in the legitimazation of the AFL by leading the Jets to a win over the heavily favored Colts in Super Bowl III, but take away that game and Joe Namath isn't in the HOF and shouldn't be anywhere near this list. 220 picks in 140 career games and a .500 record in games he played. Great personality and all, but not a great QB.
 
Oh, boy. I knew I should never have done it, especially from a place called Auto Overload. Here was their Top 30 list.

30 - Joe Namath - LOL, doesn't he lead the world in INTs? If not for SB3 he wouldn't be a HOFer
29 - Cam Newton - Are you kidding me?
28 - Matt Ryan - Oh God, please
27 - Bart Starr
26 - Jim Plunkett - NO
25 - Ken Stabler - Not even a HOFer, but I liked him, he was cool
24 - Phillip Rivers
23 - Len Dawson - Sorry, but NO!
22 - Sonny Jurgenson
21 - Dan Fouts
20 - Warren Moon
19 - Terry Bradshaw
18 - Jim Kelly
17 - Russell Wilson - OMG, get outta here
16 - Ben Roethlisberger
15 - Steve Young
14 - Roger Staubach
13 - Johnny Unitas - He invented the two minute drill and was the first to 40k YARDS. He's top 10 for sure. You have Aikman in the top 5, is that homer? What a joke.
12 - Fran Tarkenton
11 - Otto Graham
10 - Drew Brees
09 - Aaron Rodgers
08 - Brett Favre
07 - Eli Manning
06 - Troy Aikman - Doesn't belong in the top 20 or 30. Product of the team.
05 - Dan Marino
04 - Joe Montana
03 - Peyton Manning
02 - Tom Brady - How in the hell isn't he #1? .....and I'm a f-ing Colts fan.
01 - John Elway

That's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.----------You got that right in my best Minnesotan voice
Not sure where this was pasted from but I tend to agree with @Anarchy99
 
Oh, boy. I knew I should never have done it, especially from a place called Auto Overload. Here was their Top 30 list.

30 - Joe Namath - LOL, doesn't he lead the world in INTs? If not for SB3 he wouldn't be a HOFer
29 - Cam Newton - Are you kidding me?
28 - Matt Ryan - Oh God, please
27 - Bart Starr
26 - Jim Plunkett - NO
25 - Ken Stabler - Not even a HOFer, but I liked him, he was cool
24 - Phillip Rivers
23 - Len Dawson - Sorry, but NO!
22 - Sonny Jurgenson
21 - Dan Fouts
20 - Warren Moon
19 - Terry Bradshaw
18 - Jim Kelly
17 - Russell Wilson - OMG, get outta here
16 - Ben Roethlisberger
15 - Steve Young
14 - Roger Staubach
13 - Johnny Unitas - He invented the two minute drill and was the first to 40k YARDS. He's top 10 for sure. You have Aikman in the top 5, is that homer? What a joke.
12 - Fran Tarkenton
11 - Otto Graham
10 - Drew Brees
09 - Aaron Rodgers
08 - Brett Favre
07 - Eli Manning
06 - Troy Aikman - Doesn't belong in the top 20 or 30. Product of the team.
05 - Dan Marino
04 - Joe Montana
03 - Peyton Manning
02 - Tom Brady - How in the hell isn't he #1? .....and I'm a f-ing Colts fan.
01 - John Elway

That's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.----------You got that right in my best Minnesotan voice
Not sure where this was pasted from but I tend to agree with @Anarchy99
Really?, LOL. Several of those players don't belong and I pointed them out. JU not in the top 10 and Aikman in the top 5? That's all I needed to see in that list. Russell Wilson? Jim Plunkett? Matt Ryan? Cam Freaking Newton?
 
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I know he played a big role in the legitimazation of the AFL by leading the Jets to a win over the heavily favored Colts in Super Bowl III, but take away that game and Joe Namath isn't in the HOF and shouldn't be anywhere near this list. 220 picks in 140 career games and a .500 record in games he played. Great personality and all, but not a great QB.
To be fair, that was probably the most important game in NFL history though. Namath, I think is actually one of those guys who is so overrated he's underrated. He was in the top-3 MVP voting 4 times, winning it once. You can't tell the story of the NFL without him. I'd probably have Namath in the 20's somewhere.

Oh, boy. I knew I should never have done it, especially from a place called Auto Overload. Here was their Top 30 list.

30 - Joe Namath
29 - Cam Newton
28 - Matt Ryan
27 - Bart Starr
26 - Jim Plunkett
25 - Ken Stabler
24 - Phillip Rivers
23 - Len Dawson
22 - Sonny Jurgenson
21 - Dan Fouts
20 - Warren Moon
19 - Terry Bradshaw
18 - Jim Kelly
17 - Russell Wilson
16 - Ben Roethlisberger
15 - Steve Young
14 - Roger Staubach
13 - Johnny Unitas
12 - Fran Tarkenton
11 - Otto Graham
10 - Drew Brees
09 - Aaron Rodgers
08 - Brett Favre
07 - Eli Manning
06 - Troy Aikman
05 - Dan Marino
04 - Joe Montana
03 - Peyton Manning
02 - Tom Brady
01 - John Elway

That's 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.
I know I'm nitpicking an awful list, but if one puts Otto Graham on the list, then A) has to be much higher, and B) opens the door for several pre-Super Bowl era QBs to make it. Baugh, Luckman etc.

I'm not sure what the silliest take is, probably either Elway at #1, Aikman at #6, Eli at #7, or Unitas at #13. No Bob Griese or Kurt Warner in the top-30 feels wild to me too. Also, and I know we are having the longevity debate in another thread, I'm easily putting Mahomes in the top-30 even if he retired after Sunday's game, probably even top-15 if KC wins.

They lost me Cam Newton.

They broke my brain at Matt Ryan.

Then I stopped reading.
I'd defend Matt Ryan in the top-30. He was a quality starter for over a decade with occasional elite play. His 2016 MVP season was as good as anybody factoring in his playoff performances. I'm not arguing him higher, but top-30 feels fine to me.
 
Travdogg is dead on about Namath...sums it up perfectly...one of my Dad's buddies was all AFL from that era and always said pre-injuries no one could throw a ball like Joe Willie back than...said the second he showed up in camp they knew he was different.
 
Travdogg is dead on about Namath...sums it up perfectly...one of my Dad's buddies was all AFL from that era and always said pre-injuries no one could throw a ball like Joe Willie back than...said the second he showed up in camp they knew he was different.
Not a Raider fan by any means, but Dayle Lamonica was just as good as Joe Namath without the historic win. Joe did have a great arm, but so did Lamonica. Joe always said he threw a lot of picks because he thought he could make any throw and would try to force it in. The ironic part of that is that a big reason they beat the Colts is that they played a very conservative game in the Super Bowl and didn't turn the ball over. Jets had a very good defense that stuffed the Colts all game.
 
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I'm sure that was one of those awesome slide decks that took 20 seconds per page to load as if we're back on dial up for cripes sake. Thanks for sharing and saving us that time. Now if only I hadn't actually looked at the ratings. eek
 
I'm sure that was one of those awesome slide decks that took 20 seconds per page to load as if we're back on dial up for cripes sake. Thanks for sharing and saving us that time. Now if only I hadn't actually looked at the ratings. eek
Exactly.

Hey, by the way, did you know there's this awesome trick to win slot machines every time? *Picture of woman mashing tomatoes into the coin slot* Casinos CANNOT stop you.
 
My mother in law just dragged me to the 80 for brady movie and while I can say that the footage from the Atlanta superbowl was fun to watch (I can't imagine the 28th greatest qb in nfl history loved that) the best argument for brady to be first - if true - is the implication that Tom brady cured cancer
 
So I made the decision to not include pre-TV QBs. Apologies to Otto Graham, Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Norm Van Brocklin, and others. Anyway, here's my top-30:

30. Rich Gannon, had an MVP and a Super Bowl appearance (may have been 2 if Siragusa hadn't belly flopped on him, or 3 if the tuck rule thing hadn't happened) and played well in high pressure games, excluding the TB Super Bowl where Gruden admitted TB knew the plays.

29. Sonny Jurgensen, won 5 passing titles, 2 with Philly and 3 with Washington, though I think of him as a Redskin first. Some of the best numbers of his era, but never started a playoff game.

28. Joe Namath, can't tell the story of the NFL without him and Super Bowl 3. Namath won an MVP and 3 passing titles. His late career was pretty rough, but he had 3 top-3 seasons and a rookie of the year in his 1st 5 years.

27. Earl Morrall, won an MVP award, was a highly used backup on 2 championship teams, including the undefeated 72 Dolphins, where he started more games than Griese.

26. Kurt Warner, 2 MVP's and 1 ring, but also a 5 year stretch of nothingness before a bit of a rebirth in Arizona. Without the Arizona run, his career was somewhat like Namath's.

25. Roger Staubach, on the one hand he had arguably the best stats of the 70s, at least from a passer rating standpoint, on the other, he was on a loaded team, and tended to underachieve in big games. Did win 2 titles, but never had that season where he was the best player in the league.

24. Ben Roethlisberger, 2 rings and maybe the best throw in Super Bowl history in 2008. Only thing keeping him this low, is he was never even an MVP candidate.

23. Philip Rivers, extremely efficient QB, who was unfortunately stuck on some pretty dreck teams during his prime, that he basically willed to .500 seasons.

22. Terry Bradshaw, 4 rings, and an MVP, but can't really shake the feeling the Steelers carried him, and not the other way around. Still can only have him so low.

21. John Hadl, 1 ring and 3 passing titles. Was part of one of the best QB-WR combos in history (Hadl-Alworth), and had an MVP caliber comeback season with the Rams late in his career.

20. Patrick Mahomes, move him up 3 spots if KC beats the Eagles Sunday Night. 2 MVPs and a ring so far. Its very possible/likely we haven't seen his peak yet, and he'll eventually be a top-5 guy, as he's only 27.

19. Troy Aikman, I would have had him lower off the top of my head but looking more at his career. I think he could have done a lot more if he needed to. His playoff performances from 92-95 were as good as any QB ever.

18. Warren Moon, some could/would argue he was a compiler, but he won 2 passing titles, and was never the reason his team lost on the playoffs. Also broke down a lot of doors for black QBs, he wasn't the first, but I think he was the biggest.

17. Daryle Lamonica, best Raiders QB of all-time in my opinion, and honestly by a wide margin. 2 MVP's and was a very good playoff performer. Also had an all-time great nickname as the Mad Bomber. Would likely have had multiple rings if he had anywhere near the supporting cast Stabler or especially Plunkett had.

16. Russell Wilson, I feel like he's become grossly underrated career wise of late. Up until his finger injury in 2021, Wilson was a top-5 QB for the entirety of his career, as well as an exceptionally clutch player in the playoffs, famous endzone INT notwithstanding (and more on Carroll than Wilson) still 1 ring, and only 2 non-playoff seasons out of 11, is damn impressive. Also, probably the 2nd best (combining rushing and passing) scrambling QB of all-time.

15. Bart Starr, in many ways he's 60s Aikman, though Starr has an MVP. 5 rings, and strong performances from him in those games, keeps him up here, but its worth noting he was rarely asked to do that much, still he was highly efficient when he was.

14. Fran Tarkenton, 0 rings, but 3 Super Bowl appearances, and an MVP award. He also retired as the career leader in every major passing stat. Always wonder what would have been had he never been traded to NYG, because the 69 Vikings were probably their best team, everywhere but QB.

13. John Elway, 1 MVP and 2 rings. I always felt Elway got too much credit when things were good, and not enough blame when things were bad. Despite his career narrative he was never carrying bad teams to Super Bowls. Denver always had good defenses during his run, and honestly, I give Shanahan a lot of credit for "fixing" Elway and getting him to play less recklessly which led to both rings.

12. Jack Kemp, this is probably my worst ranking, but this is a sentimental one, as my Grandpa introduced me to football when I was a kid in the late 80s. and he got me a VHS series about the AFL, and whenever Kemp came on, he would always have a story about what a great passer and leader he was, despite not even being a Bills fan. To Kemp's credit, he won 2 rings and an MVP, but his numbers are pretty rough to look at.

11. Len Dawson, the AFL's best passer in my opinion. 2 rings, and some excellent rate stats. His 82.6 career passer rating is very impressive considering he retired in 1975.

10. Bob Griese, another in the Aikman/Starr category, where if asked to do more I'm certain he could have. Best QB of the 70s in my opinion. 3 straight SBs, winning 2, including an undefeated season, though Morrall started more than half of it.

9. Dan Marino, I bet a lot of people would have lost money betting that 1984 Marino would be both his best season, and only SB appearance. I'm not sure either of those are Marino's fault, as I feel the game sort of passed Don Shula by during the late 80s and early 90s, and Marino was carrying some pretty mediocre teams. Marino's 84 passing records stood for 20 years.

8. Steve Young, there is a part of me that wonders if Young would have taken over a couple year earlier if he'd be in the top-3 of this list. Young didn't get the SF starting job until he was 30 years old. Part of me thinks SF still wins the 89 SB with Young instead of Montana, and perhaps more. Best scrambling QB of all-time in my eyes. Had an Aaron Rodgers like efficiency as a passer, really the only knock is his longevity, and the fact that he inherited a Super Bowl contender, and only won 1, though 2 MVPs, and he had Seifert and not Walsh. His 1994 might be the best QB season of all-time counting playoffs.

7. Drew Brees, seems wrong to have him ahead of Young, but he basically doubles every career stat. 1 ring, and 7 passing titles, I still have no idea how he didn't win the 2009 MVP. Could also argue he saved football in NO, but some bad defenses prevented further success.

6. Joe Montana, 4 rings, 2 MVPs (why he won in 90 I don't know) and incredibly clutch (Joe Cool) in the playoffs. Also had an all-time great SNL sketch. Stats be damned, Montana-Rice is the gold standard of QB-WR combos, and I refuse to accept any argument otherwise. Also almost willed a pretty average KC team to the Super Bowl in 93 after a career threatening arm injury.

5. Brett Favre, 1 ring, 3 MVPs, 5 retirement waffles, and a sullied reputation after leaving GB, especially this past year. On field, he was maybe the most joyful player to watch of all time. Nobody seemed like they enjoyed playing more than him. He was typically a great clutch QB, which made the few flameouts that much more memorable, and retired with every major passing record.

4. Aaron Rodgers, 1 ring, 4 MVPs, 2 retirement waffles, and a lack of understanding between vaccinated and immunized. With rumors of the Jets wanting Rodgers, let's hope he doesn't follow in Favre's off-field footsteps at least. Rodgers combined elite efficiency with clutch performance (and amazing hail mary luck) and could still add to his career, though I think the top-3 are pretty untouchable for me.

3. Johnny Unitas, "there's a haircut you can set your watch by" 3 rings, 3 MVP's, and passing numbers from the 50s and 60s that wouldn't have looked out of place in the early 90s. The biggest contribution from Unitas was simply his style of passing and his mechanics. You watch any highlights of Unitas and you'll see a similar style and gait to Kurt Warner. He was kinda the 1st real true downfield pocket passing QB, everyone else looked out of place a little by today's standards. Unitas looks like he could play in 2023.

2. Peyton Manning, I really want to put him first. I really do, and I probably would have 3 years ago. Its really Brady's TB run (doing it without Belichick) that sealed the deal for me. 2 rings, 4 SB appearances, record 5 MVPs, the best single season ever (and an argument as to which season that is) and frankly the most impressive thing to me is the 2011 Colts. They were pretty much the same team as 2010 only without Manning and they went from playoff team to #1 overall pick. I'm not sure there has ever been a player more important to his team. Went to Denver after a major neck injury and had 2.75 MVP caliber seasons. He's my favorite player of all-time.

1. Tom Brady, how can you argue against 3 MVPs and 7 rings. I was stubbornly doing it as recently as 2020. I was very much Belichick>Brady. I still think there is some validity to it, but Brady won without him, he's yet to do much without Brady. Even this past season, I thought Brady was still pretty good with a bad OL, and no running game to support him. I'll miss him being in the NFL, and playing at his level until his mid 40s, may have been more impressive than his prime was.
 
Travdogg is dead on about Namath...sums it up perfectly...one of my Dad's buddies was all AFL from that era and always said pre-injuries no one could throw a ball like Joe Willie back than...said the second he showed up in camp they knew he was different.
Not a Raider fan by any means, but Dayle Lamonica was just as good as Joe Namath without the historic win. Joe did have a great arm, but so did Lamonica. Joe always said he threw a lot of picks because he thought he could make any throw and would try to force it in. The ironic part of that is that a big reason they beat the Colts is that they played a very conservative game in the Super Bowl and didn't turn the ball over. Jets had a very good defense that stuffed the Colts all game.
Got curious and looked up the stats for the 1968 AFL championship game between the Jets and Raiders:

Namath 19/49/266/3 TDs/1 INT

Lamonica 20/47/401/1TD/ 0 INT

96 pass attempts in a game that ended 27-23. AFL flinging it around

In contrast, in the NFL championship game;

Earl Morrall 11/25/169/0 TDs/ 1INT

Bill Nelson 11/26/132/0 TDs/ 2INTs

AFL must have been way more fun to watch
 
John Elway, 1 MVP and 2 rings. I always felt Elway got too much credit when things were good, and not enough blame when things were bad. Despite his career narrative he was never carrying bad teams to Super Bowls. Denver always had good defenses during his run, and honestly, I give Shanahan a lot of credit for "fixing" Elway and getting him to play less recklessly which led to both rings.
In five Super Bowl appearances the Broncos had a higher ranked offense in points and yardage than their defense in four of them.

And Elway absolutely willed teams to victory.
 
John Elway, 1 MVP and 2 rings. I always felt Elway got too much credit when things were good, and not enough blame when things were bad. Despite his career narrative he was never carrying bad teams to Super Bowls. Denver always had good defenses during his run, and honestly, I give Shanahan a lot of credit for "fixing" Elway and getting him to play less recklessly which led to both rings.
In five Super Bowl appearances the Broncos had a higher ranked offense in points and yardage than their defense in four of them.

And Elway absolutely willed teams to victory.
You misread what I wrote. I said Elway never carried bad teams to Super Bowls.

4 of those 5 Super Bowl teams were top-8 defenses. Including 1st in 89. Just because the offense was better, doesn't make the defense bad, and also says Elway was hardly doing it alone, especially in the ones he won.
 
John Elway, 1 MVP and 2 rings. I always felt Elway got too much credit when things were good, and not enough blame when things were bad. Despite his career narrative he was never carrying bad teams to Super Bowls. Denver always had good defenses during his run, and honestly, I give Shanahan a lot of credit for "fixing" Elway and getting him to play less recklessly which led to both rings.
In five Super Bowl appearances the Broncos had a higher ranked offense in points and yardage than their defense in four of them.

And Elway absolutely willed teams to victory.
You misread what I wrote. I said Elway never carried bad teams to Super Bowls.

4 of those 5 Super Bowl teams were top-8 defenses. Including 1st in 89. Just because the offense was better, doesn't make the defense bad, and also says Elway was hardly doing it alone, especially in the ones he won.
Come on man. Elway was the offense in Denver for a decade. The '89 defense was excellent but they weren't the '22 Niners. And the '86 & '87 teams, particularly '87, got to the Super Bowl because Elway carried them.

Did even have another pro bowl caliber player on the offense in '86, '87 or '89? Let alone an all pro or hall of famer while leading top 8 offenses? Sammy Winder was the best offensive player on the field with Elway and he maxed out at 789 yards rushing.

I agree that time adds a rosier glow to his accomplishments, particularly as a passer, he was also Favre-like in his aggressiveness and head scratching decisions at times. But he absolutely had that "IT" factor (not SPEED, the other one) and carried his team regularly, including all the way to the Super Bowl (in '87 at the very least).

And when he finally got help.on offense from Shanahan, Davis and an amazing offensive line he absolutely elevated his game to career high levels even though he was 157 years old at the time. Enough so that it is easy to believe that his game would have absolutely translated to our era of bombs away super mobile QBs.

Dude deserves more respect than you are giving him.
 
John Elway, 1 MVP and 2 rings. I always felt Elway got too much credit when things were good, and not enough blame when things were bad. Despite his career narrative he was never carrying bad teams to Super Bowls. Denver always had good defenses during his run, and honestly, I give Shanahan a lot of credit for "fixing" Elway and getting him to play less recklessly which led to both rings.
In five Super Bowl appearances the Broncos had a higher ranked offense in points and yardage than their defense in four of them.

And Elway absolutely willed teams to victory.
You misread what I wrote. I said Elway never carried bad teams to Super Bowls.

4 of those 5 Super Bowl teams were top-8 defenses. Including 1st in 89. Just because the offense was better, doesn't make the defense bad, and also says Elway was hardly doing it alone, especially in the ones he won.
Come on man. Elway was the offense in Denver for a decade. The '89 defense was excellent but they weren't the '22 Niners. And the '86 & '87 teams, particularly '87, got to the Super Bowl because Elway carried them.

Did even have another pro bowl caliber player on the offense in '86, '87 or '89? Let alone an all pro or hall of famer while leading top 8 offenses? Sammy Winder was the best offensive player on the field with Elway and he maxed out at 789 yards rushing.

I agree that time adds a rosier glow to his accomplishments, particularly as a passer, he was also Favre-like in his aggressiveness and head scratching decisions at times. But he absolutely had that "IT" factor (not SPEED, the other one) and carried his team regularly, including all the way to the Super Bowl (in '87 at the very least).

And when he finally got help.on offense from Shanahan, Davis and an amazing offensive line he absolutely elevated his game to career high levels even though he was 157 years old at the time. Enough so that it is easy to believe that his game would have absolutely translated to our era of bombs away super mobile QBs.

Dude deserves more respect than you are giving him.
I'm not saying the guy wasn't awesome, just that he wasn't a 1-man team. I just think he (like Favre after him to a lesser extent) got a little extra credit for being the golden boy so to speak. Same thing is happening a little bit right now with Josh Allen.

But to answer your question, Bobby Humphrey and Vance Johnson were both pro bowl level guys in 89, and the OL was solid.

Winder was probably the top option in 87, but his 741 yards is misleading as it was a strike season. Winder was 4th in the AFC in rushing yards that season behind only Eric Dickerson, Mike Rozier and Marcus Allen, so its a borderline pro bowl season. Vance Johnson was solid though not great that year as well as he was on a 1,000 yard pace but only played 11 games. Elway also had no business winning the MVP that year, he was 3rd at best, the problem was so many votes were split between Montana/Rice.

86 Elway had little around him skill position wise full agreement there. Though he did have a really good OL, with 3 high end starters.

I will agree young Elway would have likely been a great fit for 2023 football. Of course, that's more of a what if than anything though. I mean, look at a guy like Randall Cunningham. He comes around 20 years later, he's probably a HOFer, 20 years earlier, he's probably not even allowed to play QB.
 
I know he played a big role in the legitimazation of the AFL by leading the Jets to a win over the heavily favored Colts in Super Bowl III, but take away that game and Joe Namath isn't in the HOF and shouldn't be anywhere near this list. 220 picks in 140 career games and a .500 record in games he played. Great personality and all, but not a great QB.

Joes career stats are not even worthy to be a starter.

179 TDs, 220 INTs. 62-63 W-L
 
I don't have a problem with the top 5. I get Brady should be one. I get it. Having said that, the people who are to young to live through prime Elway are really missing out on arguably the most talented QB we have ever seen. That guy was magic who tossed rockets. My goodness was it 25 years since he played? Crazy.
 
I don't have a problem with the top 5. I get Brady should be one. I get it. Having said that, the people who are to young to live through prime Elway are really missing out on arguably the most talented QB we have ever seen. That guy was magic who tossed rockets. My goodness was it 25 years since he played? Crazy.
I went to a Colts / Broncos game where he carved them up. The Colts should have called his bluff. He wasn’t good enough to play baseball. Even if he was, he wouldn’t have.
 
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I know he played a big role in the legitimazation of the AFL by leading the Jets to a win over the heavily favored Colts in Super Bowl III, but take away that game and Joe Namath isn't in the HOF and shouldn't be anywhere near this list. 220 picks in 140 career games and a .500 record in games he played. Great personality and all, but not a great QB.

Solid drinker though
 
I know he played a big role in the legitimazation of the AFL by leading the Jets to a win over the heavily favored Colts in Super Bowl III, but take away that game and Joe Namath isn't in the HOF and shouldn't be anywhere near this list. 220 picks in 140 career games and a .500 record in games he played. Great personality and all, but not a great QB.

Solid drinker though
Used to be. I hear the Kolber incident caused him to quit.
 
Which gets me to another subject. I have wished for years the NFLN would air entire seasons during the long off-season. Like dedicate a week or two for something like the 1960 season. Start with week one and each day show 1-2 of the major games from that week to really give us a feel for that era. I'd watch, but I might be one of the few which is why they never do it.
I always wondered why a restaurant/bar wouldn't have figured out a way to show old NFL greatest games on Monday nights during the off season to continue Monday Night Football year round. I always thought that would be a great moneymaker.

I also thought it would be interesting to do a fantasy league where everyone showed up for the draft without knowing what year we were playing. Each drafter would be provided a list of players showing their career stats and opening day starting lineups. Everyone drafts a team and then you play out the season using each week's stats. You would have to go on the honor system where managers don't look up each week to see who did well but play out a season (maybe two old weeks a week) over the offseason. I think it would be an interesting exercise and would help give an appreciation to years gone by.
 

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