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Faust said:
Saints traded back into draft for QB Panthers wanted
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I heard about this report about the panthercats wanting Stevens on the radio a few days ago.

I guess this means a few things. One is the Saints have Brady on the brain and they essentially just hoarded a bench QB so their opponent couldn’t use him, and FF owners can relate to that.

And maybe it was also a signal to Hill in contract negotiations.

This also might mean an expanded role for Hill this year. Because Stevens makes more sense if Hill reverts to a more primary backfield role and less of a ST role.

Trading up to get Stevens also doesn’t make much sense if they put him on the PS just so CAR can sign him anyway. So I think a regular season roster spot should be expected.

Aaannnddd the Saints also drafted Troutman at TE, so things seem even more crowded for the auxiliary roles Hill & Stevens would fill. 

So where does this leave us? No idea, but I’m thinking more Hill in the offense this year at a minimum and the Saints may be the first NFL team to be developing a permanent OW/ST flex position, replete with backup.

 
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Statorama said:
No losers with this signing.  Winston gets to learn at the feet of the master, getting a years worth of experience with Payton's offense.  Saints get a former starter they are very familiar with at a cheap price.  Winston has talent, and has more upside than Bridgewater IMO.
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This is a perfect spot for Jameis. 

 
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The Frankman said:
New Orleans Saints will hold an impromptu team meeting tomorrow. Gee I wonder what they will be discussing...
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They're going to be fine. They will unite as a team. I will say Malcolm Jenkins carries this kind of activism and leadership with him than Vonn Bell never did so that is just how it is. 

 
Saints officials are talking to the Louisiana state government to secure permission to play Sunday in New Orleans against the Bucs. 

Playing through a pandemic means NFL teams will have to navigate local and state policies designed to mitigate the spread of COVID-19. New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell said phase two of the city's COVID-19 plan does not allow football; Cantrell's top medical advisor said the Saints have applied to play their Week 1 game this Sunday. One would think this would be squared away, but one would be wrong. It's a situation to monitor headed into the weekend. 

SOURCE: Travers Mackel on Twitter 

Sep 10, 2020, 3:10 PM ET
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Faust said:
Saints officials are talking to the Louisiana state government to secure permission to play Sunday in New Orleans against the Bucs. 

Playing through a pandemic means NFL teams will have to navigate local and state policies designed to mitigate the spread of COVID-19. New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell said phase two of the city's COVID-19 plan does not allow football; Cantrell's top medical advisor said the Saints have applied to play their Week 1 game this Sunday. One would think this would be squared away, but one would be wrong. It's a situation to monitor headed into the weekend. 

SOURCE: Travers Mackel on Twitter 

Sep 10, 2020, 3:10 PM ET
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The thrust of the whole report is incorrect, though local TV sports reporter Travis Mackel did attend Cantrell's press conference and did ask about high school and college football (Tulane) taking place in the city. Mackel then went off and wrote a vaguely worded tweet.

The city's medical director, Dr. Jennifer Avegno, did say during the press conference that the Saints applied to the state for clearance to play their Week 1 game. That was true as far as it went -- but either she was uninformed or else she gave an incomplete response to Mackel. The state had in fact already granted a workplace exemption to the Saints, and the Saints have already held practices in the Superdome. At no point has the Saints' home game on Sunday 9/14 been in jeopardy.

Accordingly, the Rotoworld blurb is erroneous. A bad game of Telephone. This CBS article gives a more complete picture.

 
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I’ve never understood it to begin with, how mass gatherings are prohibited but 2 groups of 50+ players alone can gather,  not to mention others in the stadium. But it’s obviously happening. Orleans isn’t even allowing high school games.

 
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Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer said "there shouldn’t be any ruling out the Saints adding to their quarterback competition."

New Orleans has four picks in the first three rounds of the upcoming NFL Draft and eight picks overall. It's unlikely the team will use one of their top picks on a signal caller -- considering QB isn't an area of need -- but we could see them pick up a Day Two quarterback who, with an outstanding training camp, could enter the starting competition with Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston. “Well, when it comes to the draft, same way, you’ve gotta grade and not be afraid of drafting on top of strength,” head coach Sean Payton said. “When you put the final grades on these quarterbacks, we’ve been close to drafting quarterbacks before, we have drafted later-round quarterbacks. A lot of it just falls on where you’re at, and what you’re seeing in the value of the player in that round.” A rookie quarterback would add another layer of drama to what is sure to be one of the most dramatic QB competitions in recent memory. 

RELATED: 

Jameis Winston

SOURCE: SI.com 

Apr 5, 2021, 9:36 AM ET
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Damnit son, throw a bottle, hit a Saints fan.

Always glad to talk.

I have a sneaking suspicion the rumors of the Saints trying to seek moving into the top 10 is about Surtain not a QB, but it likely won’t happen anyway.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Damnit son, throw a bottle, hit a Saints fan.

Always glad to talk.

I have a sneaking suspicion the rumors of the Saints trying to seek moving into the top 10 is about Surtain not a QB, but it likely won’t happen anyway.
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Us post-Marino Dolphans can feel your angst. I see the Saints drafting defense tonight, maybe taking a risk with Farley if he falls.

 
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SoBeDad said:
Us post-Marino Dolphans can feel your angst. I see the Saints drafting defense tonight, maybe taking a risk with Farley if he falls.
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Absolutely. Every Sunday since 2006 has been a day you knew you’d see truly great QB play and now we might be facing 10 years in the QB desert. And there happen to be 4-6 genuine QB starters in this draft.

 
IHEARTFF said:
Drew to the white courtesy phone
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Love the guy, but this will not happen. Even if it did, Brees’ arm and body are broken down — he can’t make all the throws anymore, and can’t take the pounding. That would all be made worse by not being in game shape.

 
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

Jameis Winston with an apparent ACL injury, as well as potential damage to the MCL. A frustrating win for New Orleans.

 
Penguin said:
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

Jameis Winston with an apparent ACL injury, as well as potential damage to the MCL. A frustrating win for New Orleans.
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Ian Rapoport is now reporting that Winston is, indeed, out for the season.

Of course, this could be coach-speak, but at Payton's presser earlier today:

Nick Underhill
@nick_underhill

Payton has been asked a few times if he plans to bring in another quarterback. He said he likes his room and it doesn't sound like he's planning on making a move there.
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Saw today that even with the salary cap going up $25 million next year, the Saints as currently constituted are projected to be $60 million over the cap. Any thoughts from Saints fans on how they might tackle that?

 
Hoodoo said:
"Saints are not in salary cap hell."

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/status/1483539454971334665
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While all those are options, I take exception to using the term "savings." They are not "saving" money against the cap . . . they are deferring the cap hit to future seasons. Yes, they could convert all those salaries to bonuses, but essentially "the bill" would be due later rather than sooner. It's a way that teams kick salary cap charges down the road to future seasons. But if those players ever end up being released, traded, or retire, then that full amount hits the salary cap right away. The cap hit is a real thing . . . it's just how each team accounts for it.

As a for instance, to bring Gronk back in Tampa the Bucs signed him to a one-year deal but they wrote up the contract as a 5-year deal that automatically voids before the 2022 season starts. Tampa currently has a $5 million cap hit that they will be charged if they don't re-sign him before the off season ends. Even if they do re-sign him, they have to tack on the $5 million in unaccounted cap charges. The same situation happened in NE last year. Once Brady left, the Pats had to eat all the dead cap money that they pushed into the future.

What Underhill is saying is technically true for this season, but if the Saints elect to free up $80 million in cap space for 2022, what they are really doing is just pushing the cap hit into the future. At some point that strategy catches up to teams. The Ravens have had to purge players and accept a mediocre season to reset their books over the years. It's not that uncommon.

 
Anarchy99 said:
While all those are options, I take exception to using the term "savings." They are not "saving" money against the cap . . . they are deferring the cap hit to future seasons. Yes, they could convert all those salaries to bonuses, but essentially "the bill" would be due later rather than sooner. It's a way that teams kick salary cap charges down the road to future seasons. But if those players ever end up being released, traded, or retire, then that full amount hits the salary cap right away. The cap hit is a real thing . . . it's just how each team accounts for it.

As a for instance, to bring Gronk back in Tampa the Bucs signed him to a one-year deal but they wrote up the contract as a 5-year deal that automatically voids before the 2022 season starts. Tampa currently has a $5 million cap hit that they will be charged if they don't re-sign him before the off season ends. Even if they do re-sign him, they have to tack on the $5 million in unaccounted cap charges. The same situation happened in NE last year. Once Brady left, the Pats had to eat all the dead cap money that they pushed into the future.

What Underhill is saying is technically true for this season, but if the Saints elect to free up $80 million in cap space for 2022, what they are really doing is just pushing the cap hit into the future. At some point that strategy catches up to teams. The Ravens have had to purge players and accept a mediocre season to reset their books over the years. It's not that uncommon.
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Thats the Howie Roseman method.

 
Summer Wheat said:
Smart move by Payton.   Long time HCs who have been benefitted from having a HOF QB have a tough time looking at and seeing through a rebuild with cap issues.  Let a new HC go through the tough times and struggles and hopefully see it through.
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Fixed

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports that the Saints have hired Doug Marrone for a "key role" on the offensive coaching staff.

Marrone served as Alabama's offensive line coach in 2021, following his departure from the Jaguars after the 2020 season. Marrone has had a turbulent coaching career. After butting heads with Buffalo brass he infamously opted out of his Bills head coaching contract after the 2014 season. This was an epic miscalculation that left Marrone settling for a job as the Jaguars offensive line coach in 2015. Marrone reemerged as a head coach when Gus Bradley was fired during the 2016 season and Marrone was named interim coach. He was then retained for four full seasons. Marrone managed to coax 10 wins out of Blake Bortles in 2017, although he closed his Jaguars tenure with a miserable 1-15 season. Marrone has yet to be paired with strong quarterback play in the NFL, coaching EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton, Bortles, and Gardner Minshew. Unfortunately, he is likely to be dealing with subpar quarterback play in 2022 as well.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Feb 9, 2022, 10:45 AM ET
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