Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) (1 Viewer)

How do you all feel about the looming Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) "free trade" agreement?

Like most trade agreements, this thing is bound to become law.

Critics like to say that such trade agreements are less about free trade than about creating an environment in which multinational corporations can thrive; that they provide a cudgel with which national laws must conform to international agreements; that the participant nations surrender their sovereignty to international cartels of corporate power; that they screw small businesses and labor alike, as their provisions are crafted by the corporations which they will govern; that they are negotiated in secrecy and promoted with the lie of "free trade".

Proponents say they're all happy goodness, and designed to benefit everybody, as we move forward in the global economy. Peace, brah.

I'm just presenting some objective information, and trying to see how folks feel about the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

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Did you skip your meds today?

'BobbyLayne said:

Did you skip your meds today?

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Nope. In fact, I'm caught up through Tuesday!

'Topes said:

Critics like to say that such trade agreements are less about free trade than about creating an environment in which multinational corporations can thrive; that they provide a cudgel with which national laws must conform to international agreements; that the participant nations surrender their sovereignty to international cartels of corporate power; that they screw small businesses and labor alike, as their provisions are crafted by the corporations which they will govern; that they are negotiated in secrecy and promoted with the lie of "free trade".Proponents say they're all happy goodness, and designed to benefit everybody, as we move forward in the global economy. Peace, brah.I'm just presenting some objective information, and trying to see how folks feel about the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

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I'm not sure "objective" means what you think it means.

'Topes said:

'BobbyLayne said:

Did you skip your meds today?

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Nope. In fact, I'm caught up through Tuesday!

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Maybe Obama will use his 3rd veto, raising his veto percentage to 0%

“They’re entitled to their view but in my view they’re wrong… I think people should ignore them."

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TPP in theory would be fine. It's the reality of what it is stuffed with that makes it a non-starter.

LEAKED!

War on Oceania

NCCommish said:

TPP in theory would be fine. It's the reality of what it is stuffed with that makes it a non-starter.

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Weren't well meaning liberals and progs complaining about NAFTA just as recently as 2008? Something about the loss of the American manufacturing job sector and decreased wages?

Personally I think it's gone just about far enough, let's try to hold the line for a while.

Anyone remember when Obama backtracked on his Nafta stance in 2008?

SaintsInDome2006 said:

NCCommish said:

TPP in theory would be fine. It's the reality of what it is stuffed with that makes it a non-starter.

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Weren't well meaning liberals and progs complaining about NAFTA just as recently as 2008? Something about the loss of the American manufacturing job sector and decreased wages?

Personally I think it's gone just about far enough, let's try to hold the line for a while.

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My beef is less with jobs and wages than it is with the IP protections here.

Central Planners Are Creating Another Free Trade Deal

By Chris Rossini

In reality, free trade means government keeps its nose out of our business and we trade with one another freely. It requires no legislation or treaties between governments. Free trade is what exists when you peel away the government.

In a fantasy world, however, free trade means thousands of pages of government stipulations, sweetheart deals for crony corporations, and more restrictions than you can shake a stick at.

Government and its cronies are very slick though...they call their fascist schemes "free trade" agreements. That way, when the schemes fall apart (as they must) guess what takes the blame?

You got it! Free trade!

It's a devious little trick, and it works like a charm.

Obama is working on a new fascist ball of yarn called the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Meanwhile, Chris Christie wants to review a yarn that was spun years ago, called the North American Free Trade Agreement.

CNN quotes Christie as saying: "It's been 20 years now since NAFTA was put into effect. We need to be talking to our neighbors about what the next generation of NAFTA will look like." [...]

"I think there are many ways to work with Canadians and Mexicans to make North America a more powerful force in all of this..."

Christie more broadly outlined his vision for North America...Ahh yes, Christie has a vision for North America. Meanwhile, in his very own state of New Jersey, his pet multi-billion casino (The Revel) sits empty in bankruptcy.

Apparently that vision didn't pan out.

I say enough with the visions delusions. Christie and the government shouldn't be central planning in New Jersey, or the United States, or in all of North America. Government's involvement only creates distortions, malinvestments, and it screws with all of our economic lives.

Government should be forbidden from creating another bogus "free trade" agreement, and all prior agreements should be erased like Hillary's hard drives.

That way, free trade (without the quotes) will raise us out of the economic sewer.

Slapdash said:

SaintsInDome2006 said:

NCCommish said:

TPP in theory would be fine. It's the reality of what it is stuffed with that makes it a non-starter.

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Weren't well meaning liberals and progs complaining about NAFTA just as recently as 2008? Something about the loss of the American manufacturing job sector and decreased wages?

Personally I think it's gone just about far enough, let's try to hold the line for a while.

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My beef is less with jobs and wages than it is with the IP protections here.

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That's actually a really good point and I had forgotten about that, I agree.

You have to pass this treaty to find out what's in it.

You're breaking my balls, Ron Wyden.