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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (6 Viewers)

I can think of two places that might be ones that could work for Manziel possibly based on the fact that I think he needs to sit and learn and apply himself and to be in an environment that's likely to be conducive to keeping him on the narrow.

One would be Arizona to back up Palmer - as much as a Bengals fan like me likes to bag on QuitGuy3 I think he could be a good influence on Manziel while not having so much time left as to preclude Johnny from ever being the guy there.

The other is Kansas City - Reid's own background actually maybe would steer him away from this but Alex Smith is decent enough to have Manziel stay behind but not so good that he'd permanently keep him there.

I think being in Cleveland after all of this may be too much for the kid to overcome as opposed to a fresh start.

-QG

 
Bonfire said:
The level of over-the-top hate hasn't reached this level since Tebow :lmao:
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A guy with questionable NFL ability to begin with enters rehab after his rookie year and anyone who thinks he's done has 'over the top hate' for him?

 
matuski said:
Freelove said:
matuski said:
Tool said:
cstu said:
ESPN Dallas, last 10 minutes about Johnny Manziel in the stands for a Rangers game.

Me yelling at car radio-How is this news? Move on already! So what he had a hot girl and gets great seats?

I'm telling ya...Jerry Jones would make a bundle if he trades for him. That non-story proves the hype is still alive in Texas, dimmer, but it's still there
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For a 7th round pick, why not trade for him? At the very least it would get the Cowboys the media attention JJ loves.
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They might get a decent player in the 7th round. Julian Edelman was a 7th round pick.
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Before Johnny took a snap he made the Brown's and the nfl more money than Edelman in his entire career.
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Care to break down the numbers on how much revenue a media-friendly one-game flameout on a bad team in a small market generates, vs. a player that contributes meaningfully to multiple home playoff games for his ownership, multiple deep playoff runs, and SB's? :confused: Because my understanding is that the revenue an owner generates with a single home playoff game dwarfs that generated by infinity jersey sales. There was certainly a spike in TV viewership for one Browns game, but NE is already selling out and drawing huge ratings...soooo...

...you're talking out of your ###, is the point.

Every owner in the world would rather have a good team than the biggest star in the game, if that star also sucked and hampered their chances at making the postseason and reaping the rewards. And the NFL is such a giant that the tremor caused by a TMZ sensation being drafted and going into rehab doesn't even register.
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Season tickets, Jersey sales, free media frenzies.

Not much breaking down needed. This has nothing to do with the player.. From a money making/business stand point the Brown's may never have made a better draft pick, ever.

All to Johnny alone. Obviously the patriots are a better team.. But you can't possibly be crediting Edelman for the patriots doing what they do as a team?
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Please just stop.

 
IMO, they are sticking to their guns. That is, they believe in themselves & therefore believe Johnny will turn himself around. They won't be dumping him for a nothing pick.

 
matuski said:
Freelove said:
matuski said:
Tool said:
cstu said:
ESPN Dallas, last 10 minutes about Johnny Manziel in the stands for a Rangers game.

Me yelling at car radio-How is this news? Move on already! So what he had a hot girl and gets great seats?

I'm telling ya...Jerry Jones would make a bundle if he trades for him. That non-story proves the hype is still alive in Texas, dimmer, but it's still there
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For a 7th round pick, why not trade for him? At the very least it would get the Cowboys the media attention JJ loves.
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They might get a decent player in the 7th round. Julian Edelman was a 7th round pick.
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Before Johnny took a snap he made the Brown's and the nfl more money than Edelman in his entire career.
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Care to break down the numbers on how much revenue a media-friendly one-game flameout on a bad team in a small market generates, vs. a player that contributes meaningfully to multiple home playoff games for his ownership, multiple deep playoff runs, and SB's? :confused: Because my understanding is that the revenue an owner generates with a single home playoff game dwarfs that generated by infinity jersey sales. There was certainly a spike in TV viewership for one Browns game, but NE is already selling out and drawing huge ratings...soooo...

...you're talking out of your ###, is the point.

Every owner in the world would rather have a good team than the biggest star in the game, if that star also sucked and hampered their chances at making the postseason and reaping the rewards. And the NFL is such a giant that the tremor caused by a TMZ sensation being drafted and going into rehab doesn't even register.
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Season tickets, Jersey sales, free media frenzies.

Not much breaking down needed. This has nothing to do with the player.. From a money making/business stand point the Brown's may never have made a better draft pick, ever.

All to Johnny alone. Obviously the patriots are a better team.. But you can't possibly be crediting Edelman for the patriots doing what they do as a team?
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wow, just wow

If you could just admit you were wrong.............

 
pantherclub said:
matuski said:
Freelove said:
matuski said:
Tool said:
cstu said:
ESPN Dallas, last 10 minutes about Johnny Manziel in the stands for a Rangers game.

Me yelling at car radio-How is this news? Move on already! So what he had a hot girl and gets great seats?

I'm telling ya...Jerry Jones would make a bundle if he trades for him. That non-story proves the hype is still alive in Texas, dimmer, but it's still there
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For a 7th round pick, why not trade for him? At the very least it would get the Cowboys the media attention JJ loves.
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They might get a decent player in the 7th round. Julian Edelman was a 7th round pick.
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Before Johnny took a snap he made the Brown's and the nfl more money than Edelman in his entire career.
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Care to break down the numbers on how much revenue a media-friendly one-game flameout on a bad team in a small market generates, vs. a player that contributes meaningfully to multiple home playoff games for his ownership, multiple deep playoff runs, and SB's? :confused: Because my understanding is that the revenue an owner generates with a single home playoff game dwarfs that generated by infinity jersey sales. There was certainly a spike in TV viewership for one Browns game, but NE is already selling out and drawing huge ratings...soooo...

...you're talking out of your ###, is the point.

Every owner in the world would rather have a good team than the biggest star in the game, if that star also sucked and hampered their chances at making the postseason and reaping the rewards. And the NFL is such a giant that the tremor caused by a TMZ sensation being drafted and going into rehab doesn't even register.
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Season tickets, Jersey sales, free media frenzies.

Not much breaking down needed. This has nothing to do with the player.. From a money making/business stand point the Brown's may never have made a better draft pick, ever.

All to Johnny alone. Obviously the patriots are a better team.. But you can't possibly be crediting Edelman for the patriots doing what they do as a team?
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wow, just wow

If you could just admit you were wrong.............
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Still top 10 jersey sales. :popcorn:

 
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matuski said:
pantherclub said:
matuski said:
Freelove said:
matuski said:
Tool said:
cstu said:
ESPN Dallas, last 10 minutes about Johnny Manziel in the stands for a Rangers game.

Me yelling at car radio-How is this news? Move on already! So what he had a hot girl and gets great seats?

I'm telling ya...Jerry Jones would make a bundle if he trades for him. That non-story proves the hype is still alive in Texas, dimmer, but it's still there
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For a 7th round pick, why not trade for him? At the very least it would get the Cowboys the media attention JJ loves.
Click to expand...
They might get a decent player in the 7th round. Julian Edelman was a 7th round pick.
Click to expand...
Before Johnny took a snap he made the Brown's and the nfl more money than Edelman in his entire career.
Click to expand...
Care to break down the numbers on how much revenue a media-friendly one-game flameout on a bad team in a small market generates, vs. a player that contributes meaningfully to multiple home playoff games for his ownership, multiple deep playoff runs, and SB's? :confused: Because my understanding is that the revenue an owner generates with a single home playoff game dwarfs that generated by infinity jersey sales. There was certainly a spike in TV viewership for one Browns game, but NE is already selling out and drawing huge ratings...soooo...

...you're talking out of your ###, is the point.

Every owner in the world would rather have a good team than the biggest star in the game, if that star also sucked and hampered their chances at making the postseason and reaping the rewards. And the NFL is such a giant that the tremor caused by a TMZ sensation being drafted and going into rehab doesn't even register.
Click to expand...
Season tickets, Jersey sales, free media frenzies.

Not much breaking down needed. This has nothing to do with the player.. From a money making/business stand point the Brown's may never have made a better draft pick, ever.

All to Johnny alone. Obviously the patriots are a better team.. But you can't possibly be crediting Edelman for the patriots doing what they do as a team?
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wow, just wow

If you could just admit you were wrong.............
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Still top 10 jersey sales. :popcorn:
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who cares. Being #10 in jersey sales for one year does not qualify someone for the best draft pick by a team from "a business" standpoint.

 
I bought Manziel on the cheap in a 2 qb league so I now have an interest in this saga.

He is obviously facing an uphill battle by trying to be a competent qb while balancing getting his life back on track. I have zero idea what the Brown's plan for Manziel are at this stage.

Perhaps he has changed the type of person he was when entering into the league last year. Maybe he got his wake up call and realizes that this is not college and you have to commit to being a good pro. The best way to fast track your NFL career is to get better in a hurry. At this stage there is still an opportunity for Manziel to win out as the starting QB for Cleveland as Mccown is not very good and is not a franchise QB. I

The Browns will want to see an improved person and player in Manziel and want him to win the job. I just don't know if he is capable to do this. Time will tell.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Mike Pettine insists Johnny Manziel remains in the Browns' plans.
Pettine called Chris Mortensen's report that the Browns have "90 percent" moved on from Manziel "90 percent inaccurate." He says he filed it in the "ridiculous category." Pettine came out swinging in Manziel's defense, but all signs point toward Josh McCown being miles ahead on the depth chart, and the Browns still working to add another quarterback. McCown's talent is such that Manziel could overtake him at some point in 2015, but that's dependent on the Browns failing to land Marcus Mariota. Owner Jimmy Haslam is fixated on finding a "franchise quarterback." So far, Haslam has looked in all the wrong places.

Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter
Apr 21 - 1:29 PM
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Re-drafting the 2014 quarterback class

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Johnny Manziel was eventually viewed as the consensus top quarterback on most draftnik boards, and the most talented QB of the crop. Many still saw him going in the top-five picks until late in the process. That feels like a very long time ago.

The Johnny Football persona was at odds with his tentative play. Every decision was a beat late. He pump-faked often, and left the pocket early. His trademark improvisational skills were muted.

It's hard to divorce Manziel's struggles on the field with the personal problems that he has started to address in rehab. We can only evaluate what we saw in games, and what we read about his practice performance. It all screamed of a player who was not ready mentally, and not talented enough to make up for it. Manziel lost the faith of some teammates and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan wasn't fooling anyone in his outings.

In fairness, we only saw a very small sample size. But imagine if we knew a year ago that Manziel would struggle this much with all aspects of NFL life. All the red flags were planted. To put it another way: What would teams give up for Manziel right now? A mid-to-late round pick sounds about right.
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It was crazy to see Manziel look so slow. One of his "Welcome to the NFL" moments came when Carolina Panthers nose tackle Star Lotulelei prevented Manziel from getting to the edge on a third-down scramble. Later that game, Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly beat Manziel to the sideline on a called run. Manziel was hurt on the play and missed the remaining six quarters of the season.
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Johnny Manziel was eventually viewed as the consensus top quarterback on most draftnik boards, and the most talented QB of the crop. Many still saw him going in the top-five picks until late in the process. That feels like a very long time ago.

Huh? None of this is close to true.

 
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Johnny Manziel was eventually viewed as the consensus top quarterback on most draftnik boards, and the most talented QB of the crop. Many still saw him going in the top-five picks until late in the process. That feels like a very long time ago.

Huh? None of this is close to true.
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:goodposting:

A lot of us were surprised he even went in the 1st round.

 
Manziel should've been a 4th round pick last year.

if the Browns can get anything for him in a trade this week, they should take it, imo.

 
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Re-drafting the 2014 quarterback class

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The Johnny Football persona was at odds with his tentative play. Every decision was a beat late. He pump-faked often, and left the pocket early. His trademark improvisational skills were muted.
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Not doing this and being told to be more traditional were giant mistakes IMO.

I think NFL QBs need to do better pump fakes as evidenced by the best QBs (Brady, Rodgers, and Manning) doing it beautifully. DBs will bite, they just will-it's part of sports like fakes in hoops and those fake throws to first to keep a runner honest.

Now that he's not(I assume) the face of the franchise type, how about a "who cares if he gets crushed" attitude and letting him run around like a kid on a playground? Favre and young Elway totally proved this can work too.

I am making a large assumption he was told not to because his bread N butter wasn't part of his game. It could be on him and just nerves. Still, I believe he's a different QB when he can ad-lib.

He may stink for all the same reasons you guys have stated throughout the thread, but at least he'll go down swinging.

He throws a nice lob-doesn't float too much, lands softly. The Browns need to give him a tall guy amidst all these little speedy buggers. The zillion lobs Evans caught weren't 100% him, sometimes they were sweet throws.

The lobs completed can totally open up other things. Plax really aided young Eli a lot by grabbing so many. The DBs cheat, the DC gets furious it looks so easy, and...it helps. It isn't a game-plan. It's one pass play, but it's something.

If Hunter is available, he'd be perfect for this.

I'm very apprehensive that he'll even be a good QB now, but I do think ya gotta go with his strengths. This still resembles young Flutie, even a year later.

Which also makes me wonder why the Browns haven't called him to come work with Manziel. How much could it cost and why not? Invite him a couple weeks, if all goes well maybe you got a new QB coach. Their struggles are oh so similar it's eery.

 
Rotoworld:

Johnny Manziel has moved out of his downtown apartment.

He's now living in a suburb west of the city. Manziel is trying to avoid the Cleveland nightlife that derailed his rookie season and eventually landed him in rehab. The Browns failed to upgrade at quarterback during the draft, leaving Manziel as the clear No. 2 behind starter Josh McCown. Manziel's commitment to improving himself this offseason is encouraging but he still has a long ways to go as a football player.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal
May 6 - 10:48 AM
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Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Johnny Manziel has moved out of his downtown apartment.

He's now living in a suburb west of the city. Manziel is trying to avoid the Cleveland nightlife that derailed his rookie season and eventually landed him in rehab. The Browns failed to upgrade at quarterback during the draft, leaving Manziel as the clear No. 2 behind starter Josh McCown. Manziel's commitment to improving himself this offseason is encouraging but he still has a long ways to go as a football player.

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I'm happy hes having a quiet off-season

 
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.

 
I know Johnny Football did not play much last season but what I did see was a disaster. I mean it was as bad as it gets.

First, he has to get on the field. Then we will see if he plays well enough to stay on the field.

 
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.

This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.

 
KellysHeroes said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Johnny Manziel has moved out of his downtown apartment.

He's now living in a suburb west of the city. Manziel is trying to avoid the Cleveland nightlife that derailed his rookie season and eventually landed him in rehab. The Browns failed to upgrade at quarterback during the draft, leaving Manziel as the clear No. 2 behind starter Josh McCown. Manziel's commitment to improving himself this offseason is encouraging but he still has a long ways to go as a football player.

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I'm happy hes having a quiet off-season
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Yeah me too, if he keeps this up I might even start pulling for him. We have no idea how a sober, prepared, conditioned Manziel will play.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.

This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.
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Let's face it, he has to greatly outplay McCown in preseason. Not just outplay him, greatly outplay him. He also has to deal with Connor Shaw who deserves more of a shot this preseason and he has done all the right things.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.

This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.
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In the sense that people ie. you, are still trying to hype up this kids talent. Forget his off the field stuff, he simply doesnt have the size, speed or arm to be even a marginal NFL qb. Add in the off the field stuff and he is a disaster, a complete bust. This thread has now come full circle. Go read some of the earlier posts and you will see what I mean. People are still expecting him to beat out everyone and become the starter, just like one year ago. When the fact his he is not "much more talented" as McCown as you said.

 
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Carter_Can_Fly said:
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.
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Agree with you that it's far too early to slam the door on his career. But he's a HUGE long shot to go into week 1 as a starter. The Browns should be happy if he's still sober and keeping a low profile while showing progress on the practice field heading into the season. No need to push to push for more too soon.

 
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.
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In the sense that people ie. you, are still trying to hype up this kids talent. Forget his off the field stuff, he simply doesnt have the size, speed or arm to be even a marginal NFL qb. Add in the off the field stuff and he is a disaster, a complete bust. This thread has now come full circle. Go read some of the earlier posts and you will see what I mean. People are still expecting him to beat out everyone and become the starter, just like one year ago. When the fact his he is not "much more talented" as McCown as you said.
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This is going waaaay too far in the other direction. Not even a marginal QB? Come on. I've never been a fan, either, but clearly he deserves to be on an NFL roster. Even if the Browns reached a bit taking him in the 1st, he was going to be drafted. And late 1st wasn't too far off the consensus.

He's certainly been an immature jackass thus far. I question whether his style will effectively translate, too. But he absolutely is a special athlete, and his arm is as good as a ton of guys in the NFL. I wouldn't bet on him turning into a franchise QB, but to suggest he has no business even being in the league is just absurd.

 
^ did you see any of the games he was in last year?

Kid cannot throw. Kid certainly cannot run and the kid looks like an 8th grader on the field.

 
DocHolliday said:
I know Johnny Football did not play much last season but what I did see was a disaster. I mean it was as bad as it gets.

First, he has to get on the field. Then we will see if he plays well enough to stay on the field.
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Bryan Hoyer didn't look much better.

While I'll admit I'm higher than most on Manziel and willing to make excuses... maybe throwing him out there in week 14 when the season is lost against two playoff teams (Cincy, Carolina) had something to do with it?

 
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^ did you see any of the games he was in last year?

Kid cannot throw. Kid certainly cannot run and the kid looks like an 8th grader on the field.
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Did you watch him in college at all? Look, he started two games last year and played a little in two more. He sucked. But so do a lot of rookies in their first few games. Plus, he clearly wasn't ready at all to be a professional -- he checked himself into freakin rehab after the season.

I'm not a Manziel fan at all. I hate the Browns, and laughed at them for picking him. I think he's pretty likely to end up busting for a number of reasons.

But again, "lacks the physical talent to be even a marginal QB" is just wrong.

 
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
pantherclub said:
Carter_Can_Fly said:
What are the odds of him starting week 1? He is much more talented than McCown. Manziel offers the Browns a long term solution if he gets his act together. McCown is a very poor stop gap.

I know Pettine has said McCown has the lead, but l would venture to guess that the lead is not very big. Pettine has to keep Manziel as QB2 for the time being because of the nightmare of a rookie season. Sometimes things happen and people don't want to believe them to be true. Manziel has had a great off season so far. He sought out help to become a better person and in turn it should lead to him being a better QB.

This is going to be an interesting story line in camp.
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Sweet Jesus we have come full circle again.
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In what sense? Manziel was awful as a rookie. He was immature and looked out of place. I get there is some hate for the way he carried himself and how he thought things would come easy to him even in the NFL. He only appeared in 3 games and struggled mightily as he was no where near ready to be a competent NFL qb last year.

This however is a new year. The Browns have not replaced Manziel. They still have a stop gap veteran in front of him. There is an opportunity for Manziel to become the starter in Cleveland at this point. Whether he grasps that opportunity is up for debate, but to think this is over is being naive.
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In the sense that people ie. you, are still trying to hype up this kids talent. Forget his off the field stuff, he simply doesnt have the size, speed or arm to be even a marginal NFL qb. Add in the off the field stuff and he is a disaster, a complete bust. This thread has now come full circle. Go read some of the earlier posts and you will see what I mean. People are still expecting him to beat out everyone and become the starter, just like one year ago. When the fact his he is not "much more talented" as McCown as you said.
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His size is on par with Russell Wilson or Drew Brees, his arm strength was the best in the 2014 QB class and I'd say is better than half the league and he's got 4.68 wheels. How many starting QB's in the league are faster than that? Less than 5?

Other than that, great point.

If you want to question is head, accuracy, or something else - then go ahead. But make a coherent point without including the stuff you obviously know nothing about.

 
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pantherclub said:
^ did you see any of the games he was in last year?

Kid cannot throw. Kid certainly cannot run and the kid looks like an 8th grader on the field.
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Did you watch him in college at all? Look, he started two games last year and played a little in two more. He sucked. But so do a lot of rookies in their first few games. Plus, he clearly wasn't ready at all to be a professional -- he checked himself into freakin rehab after the season.

I'm not a Manziel fan at all. I hate the Browns, and laughed at them for picking him. I think he's pretty likely to end up busting for a number of reasons.

But again, "lacks the physical talent to be even a marginal QB" is just wrong.
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Pantherclub doesn't know wtf he's talking about. His games last year were against two playoff teams - so not only a small sample size, but a sample size against top 20-30% talent in the league. Not that this guy would understand what that even means.

 
Manziel clearly has a TON of warts / red flags / issues / call them what you will. But suggesting he doesn't have the arm and athleticism to even belong in the NFL pretty much does prove that you just have an axe to grind, guy.

 
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Manziel clearly has a TON of warts / red flags / issues / call them what you will. But suggesting he doesn't have the arm and athleticism to even belong in the NFL pretty much does prove that you just have an axe to grind, guy.
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He clearly showed it given his opportunities last year.

 
pantherclub said:
Coeur de Lion said:
Manziel clearly has a TON of warts / red flags / issues / call them what you will. But suggesting he doesn't have the arm and athleticism to even belong in the NFL pretty much does prove that you just have an axe to grind, guy.
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He clearly showed it given his opportunities last year.
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Believe me, I sat in the pub and laughed at every play while he piled up DST point after point to the profit of my FF teams for a couple weeks, but... he was hung over, unprepared, addicted, a dbag whom his teammates hated, and unconditioned, even his coaches likely wanted him to fail. We saw him at his worst. If he puts in the time, gains the respect of his teammates, learns the playbook, gets conditioned... I'm just saying let's see him at his best. The preseason will tell the tale.

 
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